Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:16 AM - Re: F1013-L Longeron Tist (Chris , Susie McGough)
2. 04:39 AM - Re: Cost to paint RV10 (Ken Silverman)
3. 05:31 AM - shipping cost (Sandra & Rick Lark)
4. 06:40 AM - Re: Fuel tank senders (Conti, Rick)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: Fuel tank senders (sam.marlow@adelphia.net)
6. 07:21 AM - Cost to paint RV10 (Condon, Philip M.)
7. 07:55 AM - Re: Cost to paint RV10 (John Cleary)
8. 08:25 AM - Re: Cost to paint RV10 (Ken Silverman)
9. 08:26 AM - Re: Fuel tank senders (owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com)
10. 09:25 AM - IO-540 Power Charts (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 09:38 AM - Re: F1013-L Longeron Tist (Nikolaos Napoli)
12. 09:43 AM - Fuse Mid Side Skin Bending - F1070R (Nikolaos Napoli)
13. 09:59 AM - Re: IO-540 Power Charts (Deems Davis)
14. 10:03 AM - Re: Fuse Mid Side Skin Bending - F1070R (Deems Davis)
15. 10:23 AM - Re: Fuse Mid Side Skin Bending - F1070R (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
16. 10:34 AM - Re: IO-540 Power Charts (Tim Olson)
17. 10:52 AM - Re: Cost to paint RV10 (John Gonzalez)
18. 02:57 PM - Re: Cost to paint RV10 (William)
19. 03:20 PM - Re: Michigan Builders - can you show us your RV-10 Project? (Eric Large)
20. 03:24 PM - lost messages (David McNeill)
21. 03:30 PM - Re: Cost to paint RV10 (John Cleary)
22. 03:40 PM - Fuel tank instructions, Tips, Hints (James Hein)
23. 03:40 PM - Re: lost messages (Tim Olson)
24. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Cost to paint RV10 (Scott Schmidt)
25. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: Cost to paint RV10 (Rene Felker)
26. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Cost to paint RV10 (David McNeill)
27. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Cost to paint RV10 (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
28. 08:44 PM - Re: Cost to paint RV10 (William)
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| Subject: | Re: F1013-L Longeron Tist |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Hey Ron where are you as I am building a 10 in Melb
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Subject: RV10-List: F1013-L Longeron Tist
G'day all,
Happy New Year from Oz!!
Have spent some time bending the fuse longerons. Plans have you mark
fwd/aft twist marks and start/end bend marks on the F1013 left and right
longerons. The plans only call for the right Longeron to be twisted. Is
the left longeron twisted at the forward twist mark?
thanks in advance
Ron
40187 fuse
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| Subject: | Cost to paint RV10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman" <K_L_Silverman@hotmail.com>
I happen to own a Paint and Interior Shop in Salisbury, NC (RUQ) and I can
tell you that to etch, alodine, water break test, high build prime and paint
with Jet Glo and a couple of stripes starts at 12k and/or if you get fancy
with Imron 6000 and clear with multiple colored stripes add about 6 to 8K
www.AircraftPaintingAndInteriors.com Aircraftpainting@hotmail.com
Ken Silverman
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
I can confirm the accuracy of those prices. Tom Conner in Bend does EAA
award winners for prices over $20K. It's all about the quality of the
prep and the amount of work completed by the builder. $2,000 in
materials alone is on the shy side.
John - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Too many factors come into play to judge the cost that
closely, but I personally don't think that $6K is out
of line. It somewhat depends on how much you leave to the
painter to complete. All I know is that including paint
and the 80 hours help I paid for at only $20/hr, I paid
over $3,000 to do it myself. The paint shop rate in auto
body around here is $55/hr. I know I personally must
have had 200-250 or so hours into sanding, filling,
and general painting prep. So I think it would have
to be up in the $8k price before I'd even think it
was getting out of line too far. $5k is a bargain.
Tim
do not archive
Jeff Dalton wrote:
> Boy, that seems steep for a first paint job. My Cherokee was a little
> more and they spent most of their time stripping the old paint off. Of
> course, the RV will have nicer paint!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ed Godfrey <mailto:egodfrey@ameritech.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 6:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
>
> Wayne,
> I had asked for an estimate from Woodlake Refinishing and they
> mentioned about $6,000.
>
> Ed Godfrey
>
> Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> If any of you have had your RV10 painted or have gotten an
>> estimate on painting it, could you please share what type of
price
>> you've had?
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton RV10 #40336
>>
>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Sandra & Rick Lark" <jrlark@bmts.com>
Folks, thanks for the advise re shipping costs. I will contact Partain
Transport and see what the deal is concerning coming to
Ontario. Now if I could just speed up finishing my house I'd be pounding
rivets tomorrow............Rick ;-)
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| Subject: | Fuel tank senders |
I made my own capacitance plates. I copied the set from an RV-9. But
just to be safe, I installed the floats as well.
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
________________________________
From: Bill and Tami Britton [mailto:william@gbta.net]
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel tank senders
I'll be starting the tanks on my -10 sometime in the near future and was
wondering if there's a capacitance sender yet for the -10 tanks or if
they still only have the float type. What are the
advantages/disadvantages over both.
Thanks
Bill Britton
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| Subject: | Fuel tank senders |
--> RV10-List message posted by: sam.marlow@adelphia.net
Can I install the capacitance plates on the QB tanks?
Sam Marlow
Fuse
---- "Conti wrote:
> I made my own capacitance plates. I copied the set from an RV-9. But
> just to be safe, I installed the floats as well.
>
>
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> office: 703-414-6141
> cell: 571-215-6134
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Bill and Tami Britton [mailto:william@gbta.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:05 PM
> To: RV10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel tank senders
>
>
>
> I'll be starting the tanks on my -10 sometime in the near future and was
> wondering if there's a capacitance sender yet for the -10 tanks or if
> they still only have the float type. What are the
> advantages/disadvantages over both.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill Britton
>
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| Subject: | Cost to paint RV10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
Check with Vans. His shop painted the RV-10 with a paint that was less
pricy then the popular brand paints. I believe the write up was in a
back issue of the RV-ATOR. The paint material cost for the paint was
less then half if I recall.
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| Subject: | Cost to paint RV10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cleary" <johncleary@mangertonnsw.com>
Ken,
Please excuse my ignorance, but what specifically do you have in mind when
you speak of "to etch, alodine, water break test", as part of the finish
painting process for an RV-10?
Thank you,
John Cleary
(Tail cone)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Silverman
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman" <K_L_Silverman@hotmail.com>
I happen to own a Paint and Interior Shop in Salisbury, NC (RUQ) and I can
tell you that to etch, alodine, water break test, high build prime and paint
with Jet Glo and a couple of stripes starts at 12k and/or if you get fancy
with Imron 6000 and clear with multiple colored stripes add about 6 to 8K
www.AircraftPaintingAndInteriors.com Aircraftpainting@hotmail.com
Ken Silverman
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
I can confirm the accuracy of those prices. Tom Conner in Bend does EAA
award winners for prices over $20K. It's all about the quality of the
prep and the amount of work completed by the builder. $2,000 in
materials alone is on the shy side.
John - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Too many factors come into play to judge the cost that
closely, but I personally don't think that $6K is out
of line. It somewhat depends on how much you leave to the
painter to complete. All I know is that including paint
and the 80 hours help I paid for at only $20/hr, I paid
over $3,000 to do it myself. The paint shop rate in auto
body around here is $55/hr. I know I personally must
have had 200-250 or so hours into sanding, filling,
and general painting prep. So I think it would have
to be up in the $8k price before I'd even think it
was getting out of line too far. $5k is a bargain.
Tim
do not archive
Jeff Dalton wrote:
> Boy, that seems steep for a first paint job. My Cherokee was a little
> more and they spent most of their time stripping the old paint off. Of
> course, the RV will have nicer paint!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ed Godfrey <mailto:egodfrey@ameritech.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 6:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
>
> Wayne,
> I had asked for an estimate from Woodlake Refinishing and they
> mentioned about $6,000.
>
> Ed Godfrey
>
> Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> If any of you have had your RV10 painted or have gotten an
>> estimate on painting it, could you please share what type of
price
>> you've had?
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton RV10 #40336
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Cost to paint RV10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman" <K_L_Silverman@hotmail.com>
John,
To properly prepare the aircraft for painting.....first you must:
1) Wash the plane with soap and water watching how the water runs off the
surfaces "water break" just like you do when you wash the hood of your
automobile...if the water beads up around a spot....there is dirt or some
form of contaminate.
2) Acid "Etch" the metal to clean and prepare the metal for paint....you
only have a number of hours after doing this process to repaint.
3) Alodine is a corrosion proofing coating that is then applied
4) 2377 epoxy primate primer is then applied
5) Now you can apply your base coat.....we use a "high build" because it
fills in all the little cracks and spots where you have counter sunk the
rivets and gives it a 'corporate paint job" look
6) Now you can apply either a single stage polyurethane or a base coat clear
coat paint scheme......personally I love Imron6000 with clear....but who
doesn't like the best?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cleary
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cleary" <johncleary@mangertonnsw.com>
Ken,
Please excuse my ignorance, but what specifically do you have in mind when
you speak of "to etch, alodine, water break test", as part of the finish
painting process for an RV-10?
Thank you,
John Cleary
(Tail cone)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Silverman
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman" <K_L_Silverman@hotmail.com>
I happen to own a Paint and Interior Shop in Salisbury, NC (RUQ) and I can
tell you that to etch, alodine, water break test, high build prime and paint
with Jet Glo and a couple of stripes starts at 12k and/or if you get fancy
with Imron 6000 and clear with multiple colored stripes add about 6 to 8K
www.AircraftPaintingAndInteriors.com Aircraftpainting@hotmail.com
Ken Silverman
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
I can confirm the accuracy of those prices. Tom Conner in Bend does EAA
award winners for prices over $20K. It's all about the quality of the
prep and the amount of work completed by the builder. $2,000 in
materials alone is on the shy side.
John - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Too many factors come into play to judge the cost that
closely, but I personally don't think that $6K is out
of line. It somewhat depends on how much you leave to the
painter to complete. All I know is that including paint
and the 80 hours help I paid for at only $20/hr, I paid
over $3,000 to do it myself. The paint shop rate in auto
body around here is $55/hr. I know I personally must
have had 200-250 or so hours into sanding, filling,
and general painting prep. So I think it would have
to be up in the $8k price before I'd even think it
was getting out of line too far. $5k is a bargain.
Tim
do not archive
Jeff Dalton wrote:
> Boy, that seems steep for a first paint job. My Cherokee was a little
> more and they spent most of their time stripping the old paint off. Of
> course, the RV will have nicer paint!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ed Godfrey <mailto:egodfrey@ameritech.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 6:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
>
> Wayne,
> I had asked for an estimate from Woodlake Refinishing and they
> mentioned about $6,000.
>
> Ed Godfrey
>
> Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> If any of you have had your RV10 painted or have gotten an
>> estimate on painting it, could you please share what type of
price
>> you've had?
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton RV10 #40336
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank senders |
Skysports will make any custom length of capacitive probes. We used 8
inches bendable and 8 inches of measuring, bent in an 'S'. They were
about $75 each, and they will make the output whatever you like, i.e.
voltage, resistance, etc. Lots of information on their website:
http://www.airstuff.com/fuelmon.html
TDT
40025
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel tank senders
I made my own capacitance plates. I copied the set from an RV-9. But
just to be safe, I installed the floats as well.
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
________________________________
From: Bill and Tami Britton [mailto:william@gbta.net]
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel tank senders
I'll be starting the tanks on my -10 sometime in the near future and was
wondering if there's a capacitance sender yet for the -10 tanks or if
they still only have the float type. What are the
advantages/disadvantages over both.
Thanks
Bill Britton
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| Subject: | IO-540 Power Charts |
Does anyone have copies of the power/performance charts for the IO-540-D? Looked
around the web and Lyc's site with no joy.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: F1013-L Longeron Tist |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Nikolaos Napoli <owl40188@yahoo.com>
Hi Ron,
I just finished going through that step. I twisted both the left and right one
as it seems to me that they should be identical at the fwd end. I am not 100%
sure though.
Niko
----- Original Message ----
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Subject: RV10-List: F1013-L Longeron Tist
G'day all,
Happy New Year from Oz!!
Have spent some time bending the fuse longerons. Plans have you mark fwd/aft twist
marks and start/end bend marks on the F1013 left and right longerons. The
plans only call for the right Longeron to be twisted. Is the left longeron
twisted at the forward twist mark?
thanks in advance
Ron
40187 fuse
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| Subject: | Fuse Mid Side Skin Bending - F1070R |
I tried to bend the F1070R fuse skin yesterday. It didn't go too well. I ended
up with a tear in the skin at the forward end of the bend line. I think my
problem was that instead of making the bending block out of hardwood I used 2
by 6 construction lumber which is much weeker. As a result the edge of the bending
block broke. Ordered new skin ($75) and a will be getting a piece of oak
to make the new bending block. Has anyone had a similar experience? Any suggestions
on this?
Niko
40188 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: IO-540 Power Charts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Try this:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/dlm34077@cox.net.04.07.2005/
Deems Davis # 406
Wings
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Fuse Mid Side Skin Bending - F1070R |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I talked to Bob Condrey # OSH about this, If I recall correctly he had
porblems initially, but came up with a great solution for bending these.
I believe he posted it on the list, but i can't recall.
Bob, you out there?
Deems Davis # 406
Wings
http://deemsrv10.com/
Nikolaos Napoli wrote:
> I tried to bend the F1070R fuse skin yesterday. It didn't go too
> well. I ended up with a tear in the skin at the forward end of the
> bend line. I think my problem was that instead of making the bending
> block out of hardwood I used 2 by 6 construction lumber which is much
> weeker. As a result the edge of the bending block broke. Ordered new
> skin ($75) and a will be getting a piece of oak to make the new
> bending block. Has anyone had a similar experience? Any suggestions
> on this?
>
> Niko
> 40188 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Fuse Mid Side Skin Bending - F1070R |
Rolling the fuselage skins can be pretty tough (especially the front
ones). Making the bending/rolling block out of a hardwood is
imperative! Also, there are a couple other tips that Tim posted on his
website at http://www.myrv10.com/tips/fusetips.html. Scroll down to the
bottom for the skin rolling stuff.
Bob #40105
Finish kit: Installing windows
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nikolaos
Napoli
Subject: RV10-List: Fuse Mid Side Skin Bending - F1070R
I tried to bend the F1070R fuse skin yesterday. It didn't go too well.
I ended up with a tear in the skin at the forward end of the bend line.
I think my problem was that instead of making the bending block out of
hardwood I used 2 by 6 construction lumber which is much weeker. As a
result the edge of the bending block broke. Ordered new skin ($75) and
a will be getting a piece of oak to make the new bending block. Has
anyone had a similar experience? Any suggestions on this?
Niko
40188 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: IO-540 Power Charts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
From "All around the web"....
http://www.myrv10.com/tips/engine_IO540.html
;)
Tim
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Does anyone have copies of the power/performance charts for the
> IO-540-D? Looked around the web and Lyc's site with no joy.
>
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Fuselage
> /Do not archive/
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| Subject: | Cost to paint RV10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
I have been etching everything during dis assembly/ before riveting and then
alodining by emersion technique. I am foregoing the internal priming and
being very careful when riveting; I cover the parts of the bucking bars that
will not be contacting the rivets with plumbers tape to keep the bucking bar
from scratching up the internal structures which can and will remove the
alodine finish.
My question for the described paint technique with the inclusion of alodine
is, obviously some filling and sanding will be done and some areas of raw
metal will then be re-exposed. Is the primer, and filler okay with the
alodine application again as some of the solution will get on some of these
areas.
The emersion technique bathed the metal in the solution and it picked up the
solution well, but I notice the brush application of alodine does not seem
to work very well as the solution simple roles off the metal, so is it
really doing anything or is there another technique to use with the alodine
to get the solution to sit longer on the raw metal?
John Gonzalez 40409
>From: "Ken Silverman" <K_L_Silverman@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
>Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:25:00 -0500
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman"
><K_L_Silverman@hotmail.com>
>
>John,
>
>To properly prepare the aircraft for painting.....first you must:
>
>1) Wash the plane with soap and water watching how the water runs off the
>surfaces "water break" just like you do when you wash the hood of your
>automobile...if the water beads up around a spot....there is dirt or some
>form of contaminate.
>
>2) Acid "Etch" the metal to clean and prepare the metal for paint....you
>only have a number of hours after doing this process to repaint.
>
>3) Alodine is a corrosion proofing coating that is then applied
>
>4) 2377 epoxy primate primer is then applied
>
>5) Now you can apply your base coat.....we use a "high build" because it
>fills in all the little cracks and spots where you have counter sunk the
>rivets and gives it a 'corporate paint job" look
>
>6) Now you can apply either a single stage polyurethane or a base coat
>clear
>coat paint scheme......personally I love Imron6000 with clear....but who
>doesn't like the best?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cleary
>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:55 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cleary"
><johncleary@mangertonnsw.com>
>
>Ken,
>
>Please excuse my ignorance, but what specifically do you have in mind when
>you speak of "to etch, alodine, water break test", as part of the finish
>painting process for an RV-10?
>
>Thank you,
>John Cleary
>(Tail cone)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Silverman
>Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:34 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman"
><K_L_Silverman@hotmail.com>
>
>I happen to own a Paint and Interior Shop in Salisbury, NC (RUQ) and I can
>tell you that to etch, alodine, water break test, high build prime and
>paint
>with Jet Glo and a couple of stripes starts at 12k and/or if you get fancy
>with Imron 6000 and clear with multiple colored stripes add about 6 to 8K
>www.AircraftPaintingAndInteriors.com Aircraftpainting@hotmail.com
>
>Ken Silverman
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:21 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
>I can confirm the accuracy of those prices. Tom Conner in Bend does EAA
>award winners for prices over $20K. It's all about the quality of the
>prep and the amount of work completed by the builder. $2,000 in
>materials alone is on the shy side.
>
>John - KUAO
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:52 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>Too many factors come into play to judge the cost that
>closely, but I personally don't think that $6K is out
>of line. It somewhat depends on how much you leave to the
>painter to complete. All I know is that including paint
>and the 80 hours help I paid for at only $20/hr, I paid
>over $3,000 to do it myself. The paint shop rate in auto
>body around here is $55/hr. I know I personally must
>have had 200-250 or so hours into sanding, filling,
>and general painting prep. So I think it would have
>to be up in the $8k price before I'd even think it
>was getting out of line too far. $5k is a bargain.
>
>Tim
>do not archive
>
>Jeff Dalton wrote:
> > Boy, that seems steep for a first paint job. My Cherokee was a little
>
> > more and they spent most of their time stripping the old paint off. Of
>
> > course, the RV will have nicer paint!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Ed Godfrey <mailto:egodfrey@ameritech.net>
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 6:28 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
> >
> > Wayne,
> > I had asked for an estimate from Woodlake Refinishing and they
> > mentioned about $6,000.
> >
> > Ed Godfrey
> >
> > Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> If any of you have had your RV10 painted or have gotten an
> >> estimate on painting it, could you please share what type of
>price
> >> you've had?
> >>
> >> Wayne Edgerton RV10 #40336
> >>
> >>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman" <K_L_Silverman@hotmail.com>
> I happen to own a Paint and Interior Shop in Salisbury, NC (RUQ) and I
> can tell you that to etch, alodine, water break test, high build prime
> and paint with Jet Glo and a couple of stripes starts at 12k and/or if
> you get fancy with Imron 6000 and clear with multiple colored stripes
> add about 6 to 8K www.AircraftPaintingAndInteriors.com
> Aircraftpainting@hotmail.com
Wow, the price of painting a plane has certainly gone up in the last two years.
My Cardinal (about the same size as the RV-10) painted almost two years ago
in non-metallic (Courtaulds-now PPG Aerospace-PRC DeSoto Desothane HS 8000) colors
was 2/3 your cost. Also, reading the Sherwin-Williams paint spec, they recommend
Acry Glo for pistons and Jet Glo for, well, Jets. You guys use Jet
Glo for pistons? Also, I thought most of the major shops stopped using Imron
due to its toxicity and because you can get a near equal quality with the newer
PPG and Sherwin-Williams paints.
Reese Aviation (glowing reports in Aviation Consumer) here is the NY Metro area
was charging about 8K for 4 place single paint job less than 2 years ago and
they had to strip the old paint in addition to the etch, alodine, etc. With an
RV, no paint stripping is required. So what are you guys offering that I'm
missing?
Just as a comparison, Glo Custom in Texas (http://glocustom.com) paints the smaller RVs for about $4K. Is an RV-10 3 time more plane?
William Curtis - Fuselage
http://nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Builders - can you show us your RV-10 Project? |
Jeff,
I'm in building Holland, Tulip City (KBIV) or Park Township (KHLM) are about
6 miles away. I could pick you up on my way to the plane on weekends. It's a
bit of a drive at around 160 miles. I'm working on the fuselage (trying to lay
out wiring before closing out the floors) and still need to close out my wings.
Eric Large
(616) 395-9374 cell
Jeff Dalton <jdalton77@comcast.net> wrote:
Hello to any Michigan builders,
We're in Waterford (fly out of PTK) and would love to come by in the next week
or two and see any RV-10 projects that are within flying/driving distance.
If you've got an hour to show us your project, talk about your experience, and
give us any advice you might have, please let me know. We'd be happy to lend
a hand while we're talking!
Thanks,
Jeff
Ordered Emp Kit on 12/30/05
"It is not the critic who counts: Not the man who points out how the strong man
stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit
belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust
and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again
and again ... who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows,
in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at
least he fails while daring greatly."
---------------------------------
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Any reason why I am no longer getting list emails?
do not archive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cleary" <johncleary@mangertonnsw.com>
Ken,
Thanks, that's great.
I am particularly interested in the fact that you alodine the surface at
this late stage because I have quick build wings and fuselage. I am
alodining all surfaces in the empennage, but I thought you couldn't alodine
pieces that were joined together because of the potential for alodine to
remain in the joints due to capillary and hence cause corrosion problems
down the track.
How specifically do you use the alodine to get the benefits and not the
problems?
Thanks,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Silverman
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman" <K_L_Silverman@hotmail.com>
John,
To properly prepare the aircraft for painting.....first you must:
1) Wash the plane with soap and water watching how the water runs off the
surfaces "water break" just like you do when you wash the hood of your
automobile...if the water beads up around a spot....there is dirt or some
form of contaminate.
2) Acid "Etch" the metal to clean and prepare the metal for paint....you
only have a number of hours after doing this process to repaint.
3) Alodine is a corrosion proofing coating that is then applied
4) 2377 epoxy primate primer is then applied
5) Now you can apply your base coat.....we use a "high build" because it
fills in all the little cracks and spots where you have counter sunk the
rivets and gives it a 'corporate paint job" look
6) Now you can apply either a single stage polyurethane or a base coat clear
coat paint scheme......personally I love Imron6000 with clear....but who
doesn't like the best?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cleary
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cleary" <johncleary@mangertonnsw.com>
Ken,
Please excuse my ignorance, but what specifically do you have in mind when
you speak of "to etch, alodine, water break test", as part of the finish
painting process for an RV-10?
Thank you,
John Cleary
(Tail cone)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Silverman
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman" <K_L_Silverman@hotmail.com>
I happen to own a Paint and Interior Shop in Salisbury, NC (RUQ) and I can
tell you that to etch, alodine, water break test, high build prime and paint
with Jet Glo and a couple of stripes starts at 12k and/or if you get fancy
with Imron 6000 and clear with multiple colored stripes add about 6 to 8K
www.AircraftPaintingAndInteriors.com Aircraftpainting@hotmail.com
Ken Silverman
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
I can confirm the accuracy of those prices. Tom Conner in Bend does EAA
award winners for prices over $20K. It's all about the quality of the
prep and the amount of work completed by the builder. $2,000 in
materials alone is on the shy side.
John - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Too many factors come into play to judge the cost that
closely, but I personally don't think that $6K is out
of line. It somewhat depends on how much you leave to the
painter to complete. All I know is that including paint
and the 80 hours help I paid for at only $20/hr, I paid
over $3,000 to do it myself. The paint shop rate in auto
body around here is $55/hr. I know I personally must
have had 200-250 or so hours into sanding, filling,
and general painting prep. So I think it would have
to be up in the $8k price before I'd even think it
was getting out of line too far. $5k is a bargain.
Tim
do not archive
Jeff Dalton wrote:
> Boy, that seems steep for a first paint job. My Cherokee was a little
> more and they spent most of their time stripping the old paint off. Of
> course, the RV will have nicer paint!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ed Godfrey <mailto:egodfrey@ameritech.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 6:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Cost to paint RV10
>
> Wayne,
> I had asked for an estimate from Woodlake Refinishing and they
> mentioned about $6,000.
>
> Ed Godfrey
>
> Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> If any of you have had your RV10 painted or have gotten an
>> estimate on painting it, could you please share what type of
price
>> you've had?
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton RV10 #40336
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank instructions, Tips, Hints |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Anyone else notice that the fuel tank instructions must have been
written by someone other than who wrote the previous sections? They seem
to leave out important information, requiring some head-scratching at
the dinner table.
For example: What do you countersink on the tank attach bracket? What do
you dimple on the skin? Should you countersink the skin on the attach
bracket, or dimple it and countersink the bracket?
This is what I have so far (Add it to the tip list.. if I'm correct that is)
1. Countersink ALL #40 holes on the tank attach bracket.
2. Do not countersink ANY #19 holes on the tank attach bracket.
3. Do not dimple the skin at the location of the fuel sump/drain
flange (the flange is pre-countersunk)
4. Dimple the skin holes with a regular #40 dimple die
5. Dimple the stiffeners, ribs, and J-stiffener with a #40 tank
dimple die (allows room for proseal between the dimples)
Also, I have been advised to not Alodine the inside of the tank because
the Alodine will come off with constant exposure to avgas. This is from
someone who has built an RV-8 and has rebuilt a few production aircraft.
-Jim 40384 Tanks almost ready for the joy of proseal!
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I don't know, did you commit some heinous act of internet abuse? ;)
(this is just a test reply for you)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
David McNeill wrote:
> Any reason why I am no longer getting list emails?
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | RE: Cost to paint RV10 |
I will be painting mine this month and I have my quote from the guy who
is painting mine.
Total will be 6-8K
Materials are $2500 - $3000 included in this quote.
This is about what I expected. I talked to the Lancair guys at Oshkosh
this year and I could not believe how many of them spent $15k - $20K.
OUCH! But that included lots and lots of prep work.
Scott Schmidt
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman"
> I happen to own a Paint and Interior Shop in Salisbury, NC (RUQ) and I
> can tell you that to etch, alodine, water break test, high build prime
> and paint with Jet Glo and a couple of stripes starts at 12k and/or if
> you get fancy with Imron 6000 and clear with multiple colored stripes
> add about 6 to 8K www.AircraftPaintingAndInteriors.com
> Aircraftpainting@hotmail.com
Wow, the price of painting a plane has certainly gone up in the last two
years. My Cardinal (about the same size as the RV-10) painted almost two
years ago in non-metallic (Courtaulds-now PPG Aerospace-PRC DeSoto
Desothane HS 8000) colors was 2/3 your cost. Also, reading the
Sherwin-Williams paint spec, they recommend Acry Glo for pistons and Jet
Glo for, well, Jets. You guys use Jet Glo for pistons? Also, I thought
most of the major shops stopped using Imron due to its toxicity and
because you can get a near equal quality with the newer PPG and
Sherwin-Williams paints.
Reese Aviation (glowing reports in Aviation Consumer) here is the NY
Metro area was charging about 8K for 4 place single paint job less than
2 years ago and they had to strip the old paint in addition to the etch,
alodine, etc. With an RV, no paint stripping is required. So what are
you guys offering that I'm missing?
Just as a comparison, Glo Custom in Texas (http://glocustom.com) paints
the smaller RVs for about $4K. Is an RV-10 3 time more plane?
William Curtis - Fuselage
http://nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | RE: Cost to paint RV10 |
Scott
Are you having yours done local?
Rene' Felker
40322
N423CF
Ogden Ut
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Cost to paint RV10
I will be painting mine this month and I have my quote from the guy who is
painting mine.
Total will be 6-8K
Materials are $2500 - $3000 included in this quote.
This is about what I expected. I talked to the Lancair guys at Oshkosh this
year and I could not believe how many of them spent $15k - $20K. OUCH! But
that included lots and lots of prep work.
Scott Schmidt
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman"
> I happen to own a Paint and Interior Shop in Salisbury, NC (RUQ) and I
> can tell you that to etch, alodine, water break test, high build prime
> and paint with Jet Glo and a couple of stripes starts at 12k and/or if
> you get fancy with Imron 6000 and clear with multiple colored stripes
> add about 6 to 8K www.AircraftPaintingAndInteriors.com
> Aircraftpainting@hotmail.com
Wow, the price of painting a plane has certainly gone up in the last two
years. My Cardinal (about the same size as the RV-10) painted almost two
years ago in non-metallic (Courtaulds-now PPG Aerospace-PRC DeSoto Desothane
HS 8000) colors was 2/3 your cost. Also, reading the Sherwin-Williams paint
spec, they recommend Acry Glo for pistons and Jet Glo for, well, Jets. You
guys use Jet Glo for pistons? Also, I thought most of the major shops
stopped using Imron due to its toxicity and because you can get a near equal
quality with the newer PPG and Sherwin-Williams paints.
Reese Aviation (glowing reports in Aviation Consumer) here is the NY Metro
area was charging about 8K for 4 place single paint job less than 2 years
ago and they had to strip the old paint in addition to the etch, alodine,
etc. With an RV, no paint stripping is required. So what are you guys
offering that I'm missing?
Just as a comparison, Glo Custom in Texas (http://glocustom.com) paints the
smaller RVs for about $4K. Is an RV-10 3 time more plane?
William Curtis - Fuselage
http://nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Cost to paint RV10 |
prep work for plastic airplanes can really add up when you are being charged $60+
per hour for sanding and filling. Also a lot depends on what the traffic will
bear. When shopping for a place to paint my Glastar I visited one shop in AZ
that was charging large amounts for paint work but after a short conversation
it was apparent that most of their "clients" were airline pilots to whom price
was no object. Also if you have ever dealt with the builder assist area you
know that your hour is worth much more than the hour of the employee. I once
work alongside a builder assist employee and accomplished 2-3 times as much in
a day as the employee. Of course his work was perfect while mine was only almost
perfect. But his work cost me $240 a day.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schmidt
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 4:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Cost to paint RV10
I will be painting mine this month and I have my quote from the guy who is painting
mine.
Total will be 6-8K
Materials are $2500 - $3000 included in this quote.
This is about what I expected. I talked to the Lancair guys at Oshkosh this
year and I could not believe how many of them spent $15k - $20K. OUCH! But that
included lots and lots of prep work.
Scott Schmidt
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:56 PM
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Cost to paint RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ken Silverman"
> I happen to own a Paint and Interior Shop in Salisbury, NC (RUQ) and I
> can tell you that to etch, alodine, water break test, high build prime
> and paint with Jet Glo and a couple of stripes starts at 12k and/or if
> you get fancy with Imron 6000 and clear with multiple colored stripes
> add about 6 to 8K www.AircraftPaintingAndInteriors.com
> Aircraftpainting@hotmail.com
Wow, the price of painting a plane has certainly gone up in the last two years.
My Cardinal (about the same size as the RV-10) painted almost two years ago
in non-metallic (Courtaulds-now PPG Aerospace-PRC DeSoto Desothane HS 8000) colors
was 2/3 your cost. Also, reading the Sherwin-Williams paint spec, they recommend
Acry Glo for pistons and Jet Glo for, well, Jets. You guys use Jet Glo
for pistons? Also, I thought most of the major shops stopped using Imron due
to its toxicity and because you can get a near equal quality with the newer PPG
and Sherwin-Williams paints.
Reese Aviation (glowing reports in Aviation Consumer) here is the NY Metro area
was charging about 8K for 4 place single paint job less than 2 years ago and
they had to strip the old paint in addition to the etch, alodine, etc. With
an RV, no paint stripping is required. So what are you guys offering that I'm
missing?
Just as a comparison, Glo Custom in Texas (http://glocustom.com) paints the smaller RVs for about $4K. Is an RV-10 3 time more plane?
William Curtis - Fuselage
http://nerv10.com/
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--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
In a message dated 1/3/06 5:59 pm, wcurtis@core.com writes:
<< was charging about 8K for 4 place single paint job less than 2 years ago
>>
The paint shop (that was destroyed at SUA from hurricanes) charged 10k
and up to strip and paint a C-152. You get what you pay for. I watched them
prep many.. And the prep is key. My C-170b was rebuilt 8 years ago. The paint
already has corrosion spots erupting in many places. The metal prep was
poor. Now what is the cost?? It needs corrosion removal, and touch up painting.
To save cost... Do all the prep your self....and then paint it.
Practice on old cars...
Steve RV-10 #40499
Do not archive
Port St. Lucie, FL
772-475-5556
Sent from my Treo 600
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--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
>The paint shop (that was destroyed at SUA from hurricanes) charged 10k
>and up to strip and paint a C-152. You get what you pay for.
OK, I have to question the judgement of anyone who would pay $10,000 to paint an
aircraft worth $20,000-$30,000. To me, stripping should always be included
in an already painted aircraft paint job, so specifying "strip & paint" seems
to imply that they are providing something "extra." I don't doubt that you can
easily spend $10,000 painting a 152. I'm assuming metallic paint, elaborate
striping , etc. I had a friend paint his previously polished 170 in metallic
silver with red strip and it came to $17,000. The 170 at least is a classic.
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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