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1. 04:00 AM - Re: Transition Training Plane - Builder of? (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 04:03 AM - Re: Transition Training Plane - Builder of?Transition Training Plane - Builder of? (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 07:48 AM - Re: RV10 Trim Tab Cable Anchor Brackets (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 07:54 AM - Re: Transition Training Plane - Builder of? (Sean Stephens)
5. 08:41 AM - Re: Transition Training Plane - Builder of? (Tim Olson)
6. 09:37 AM - Re: RV10 Trim Tab Cable Anchor Brackets (Carl Froehlich)
7. 10:00 AM - Wandering from the Matronics List (John W. Cox)
8. 10:29 AM - Re: Wandering from the Matronics List (Larry Rosen)
9. 10:30 AM - Re: Wandering from the Matronics List (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 10:41 AM - Re: Wandering from the Matronics List (Sean Stephens)
11. 11:35 AM - Re: Wandering from the Matronics List (Larry Rosen)
12. 12:55 PM - Interior Lighting (Larry Rosen)
13. 02:33 PM - Re: Weight and Balance (was Wandering from the Matronics (Larry Rosen)
14. 06:34 PM - Re: Weight and Balance (was Wandering from the Matronics List) (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
15. 06:35 PM - Re: Interior Lighting (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
16. 06:45 PM - Suggestion on the needed tool. (John Gonzalez)
17. 07:14 PM - Re: Suggestion on the needed tool. (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
18. 07:32 PM - Re: Suggestion on the needed tool. (Chris , Susie Darcy)
19. 07:52 PM - Re: Suggestion on the needed tool. (Shawn Moon)
20. 09:38 PM - Re: RV10 Parts (John Gonzalez)
21. 10:49 PM - Re: Visit to Randy to measure control throws (Eric Panning)
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| Subject: | Re: Transition Training Plane - Builder of? |
Hello Michael,
I know Alex a little bit and I've gone over to his house and visited with him when
he was building his plane. The RV6 that he currently does his training in
he also built.
Based on my understanding, Alex is an Air Traffic Controller here in the Dallas/Fort
Worth area. He lives on an Air Park south of Dallas and has a fantastic
hangar where he built his 10. When I visited with Alex I was just beginning my
10 and he was very gracious in taking time to talk to me. Based on what I could
see at the time I visited him he certainly looked like he knew what he was
doing.
Everyone that I talk to says that Alex is a real straight up guy and he's done
a first class job on his plane. Alex is also a Tru Trak Dealer and he's friends
with the people there, that's why the Tru Trak plane was in the picture of the
3 10's together. Tru Trak is in AK, which is just a short distance from DFW.
I talked to him after the article and he said John Nys is also a good friend
of his and they both wanted to be there to see his first flight.
I will definitely be doing my transition training with Alex and I have no hesitations
at all.
For what ever that's worth.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Re: Transition Training Plane - Builder of?Transition Training |
Plane - Builder of?
I just replied to Michael on this subject and then realized I should have replied
to Tim Olson. Sorry about that.
Wayne E
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| Subject: | RV10 Trim Tab Cable Anchor Brackets |
Do the four holes match the original four holes or will we need new cover plates
if already drilled?
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Czachorowski
Subject: RV10-List: RV10 Trim Tab Cable Anchor Brackets
Guys,
Dave will sell the Trim Tab Cable Anchor Bracket (replacement for the WD-415
that is supplied with the kit) for $15 a piece. I have installed these brackets
on my Rv10 kit. Dave is an engineer and told me that these brackets are 3
times stronger than the steel weldment that Vans supplies in the kit. It also
has more threads to grab the trim tab cable. It has a wider "footprint" than
Vans weldment yet it still clears the Trim Tab cover plate doubler with no problem.
4 holes are pre drilled. Very easy to install. Made of 6061 aluminum.
If you want a set, please call Dave at 302-437-6087. He can answer all your
questions.
Zack
#40512
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| Subject: | Re: Transition Training Plane - Builder of? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
So where is this triple picture everyone's talking about? I can't find
it on Van's.
-Sean #40303 (Attaching Outboard Leading Edges)
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Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> Hello Michael,
>
> I know Alex a little bit and I've gone over to his house and visited
> with him when he was building his plane. The RV6 that he currently
> does his training in he also built.
>
> Based on my understanding, Alex is an Air Traffic Controller here in
> the Dallas/Fort Worth area. He lives on an Air Park south of Dallas
> and has a fantastic hangar where he built his 10. When I visited with
> Alex I was just beginning my 10 and he was very gracious in taking
> time to talk to me. Based on what I could see at the time I visited
> him he certainly looked like he knew what he was doing.
>
> Everyone that I talk to says that Alex is a real straight up guy and
> he's done a first class job on his plane. Alex is also a Tru Trak
> Dealer and he's friends with the people there, that's why the Tru Trak
> plane was in the picture of the 3 10's together. Tru Trak is in AK,
> which is just a short distance from DFW. I talked to him after the
> article and he said John Nys is also a good friend of his and they
> both wanted to be there to see his first flight.
>
> I will definitely be doing my transition training with Alex and I have
> no hesitations at all.
>
> For what ever that's worth.
>
> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transition Training Plane - Builder of? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
http://www.vansairforce.net/index.htm
You'll recognize one of the planes from OSH.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> So where is this triple picture everyone's talking about? I can't find
> it on Van's.
>
> -Sean #40303 (Attaching Outboard Leading Edges)
>
> do not archive
>
> Wayne Edgerton wrote:
>
>> Hello Michael,
>>
>> I know Alex a little bit and I've gone over to his house and visited
>> with him when he was building his plane. The RV6 that he currently
>> does his training in he also built.
>>
>> Based on my understanding, Alex is an Air Traffic Controller here in
>> the Dallas/Fort Worth area. He lives on an Air Park south of Dallas
>> and has a fantastic hangar where he built his 10. When I visited with
>> Alex I was just beginning my 10 and he was very gracious in taking
>> time to talk to me. Based on what I could see at the time I visited
>> him he certainly looked like he knew what he was doing.
>>
>> Everyone that I talk to says that Alex is a real straight up guy and
>> he's done a first class job on his plane. Alex is also a Tru Trak
>> Dealer and he's friends with the people there, that's why the Tru Trak
>> plane was in the picture of the 3 10's together. Tru Trak is in AK,
>> which is just a short distance from DFW. I talked to him after the
>> article and he said John Nys is also a good friend of his and they
>> both wanted to be there to see his first flight.
>>
>> I will definitely be doing my transition training with Alex and I have
>> no hesitations at all.
>>
>> For what ever that's worth.
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV10 Trim Tab Cable Anchor Brackets |
I just got 4 for my project and a neighbors. Nice work.
Carl
RV-10 # 40528
RV-8A (220 hrs).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Joseph
Czachorowski
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:59 PM
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: RV10 Trim Tab Cable Anchor Brackets
Guys,
Dave will sell the Trim Tab Cable Anchor Bracket (replacement for the
WD-415 that is supplied with the kit) for $15 a piece. I have installed
these brackets on my Rv10 kit. Dave is an engineer and told me that these
brackets are 3 times stronger than the steel weldment that Vans supplies in
the kit. It also has more threads to grab the trim tab cable. It has a
wider "footprint" than Vans weldment yet it still clears the Trim Tab cover
plate doubler with no problem. 4 holes are pre drilled. Very easy to
install. Made of 6061 aluminum.
If you want a set, please call Dave at 302-437-6087. He can answer all
your questions.
Zack
#40512
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| Subject: | Wandering from the Matronics List |
I seldom wander far from this list but Tim's post on Transition Training
had me reviewing some of the RVAF better posts. As it pertains to
Weight and Balance, this $15 investment caught my eye as a slick piece
of simple programming. Greg Hale's http://www.nwacaptain.com/.
John - KUAO
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| Subject: | Re: Wandering from the Matronics List |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
I have an excel spreadsheet that I got from one of the members from this
list. It works fine, has a chat showing the aft and forward CG and where
the CG is this the configuration you put in. Inputs are as you would
expect, Gal of fuel, pilots, rear Passengers, and baggage.
Best of all it was free. During this early stage it is quite informative
to put in different configurations to see how much the CG swings from
forward to back based on flying single pilot vs. fully loaded. It added
a lot of light into all the discussions on the 10 being nose heavy.
I could email it to anyone that would like it.
I did not create the spreadsheet and I would like to credit the
originator, but I cannot remember who I got it from
As always YMMV
Larry Rosen
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
John W. Cox wrote:
> I seldom wander far from this list but Tims post on Transition
> Training had me reviewing some of the RVAF better posts. As it
> pertains to Weight and Balance, this $15 investment caught my eye as a
> slick piece of simple programming. Greg Hales http://www.nwacaptain.com/.
>
> John - KUAO
>
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| Subject: | Wandering from the Matronics List |
One thing I want to mention is that Doug's site is most certainly a valuable
resource for us RV types. While some of us disagreed enough with his moderation
techniques over on the old Yahoo group enough to mutiny, and I personally still
do feel he runs his site and groups more as a for profit business than the
hobby that he claims that is to put his kids through college, he contributes
tons back to the community and that can not be ignored. I encourage everyone
to spend some time in his forums and on his site to get a well rounded experience
when it comes to internet information.
I gave him a very hard time back when we were all on that list because of my
frustration with his direct editing of posts without even commenting that he edited
them and his habit of completely removing posts that questioned his motives,
and he still does it. But only a fool would ignore good sources of information
out of spite for another, and I do very much appreciate the extra effort
he puts in for the benefit of all of us. I think we have proven, at least in
our list, that we are probably more professional and respectful than some of
the other groups and moderation is something that we most certainly don't need.
Having met several of us and talked directly with even more in private emails,
I can say this is one of the best RV groups and is a standard by which I judge
others. :-)
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Subject: RV10-List: Wandering from the Matronics List
I seldom wander far from this list but Tim's post on Transition Training had me reviewing some of the RVAF better posts. As it pertains to Weight and Balance, this $15 investment caught my eye as a slick piece of simple programming. Greg Hale's http://www.nwacaptain.com/.
John - KUAO
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| Subject: | Re: Wandering from the Matronics List |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Larry,
I'm sure plenty of us would like to get our hands on that spreadsheet.
I for one. I'd suggest emailing it to Tim or someone to post on their
site. Otherwise you'll be emailing to a lot of people. :)
-Sean #40303
Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> I have an excel spreadsheet that I got from one of the members from
> this list. It works fine, has a chat showing the aft and forward CG
> and where the CG is this the configuration you put in. Inputs are as
> you would expect, Gal of fuel, pilots, rear Passengers, and baggage.
>
> Best of all it was free. During this early stage it is quite
> informative to put in different configurations to see how much the CG
> swings from forward to back based on flying single pilot vs. fully
> loaded. It added a lot of light into all the discussions on the 10
> being nose heavy.
>
> I could email it to anyone that would like it.
> I did not create the spreadsheet and I would like to credit the
> originator, but I cannot remember who I got it from
> As always YMMV
>
> Larry Rosen
> <http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
>
> John W. Cox wrote:
>
>> I seldom wander far from this list but Tims post on Transition
>> Training had me reviewing some of the RVAF better posts. As it
>> pertains to Weight and Balance, this $15 investment caught my eye as
>> a slick piece of simple programming. Greg Hales
>> http://www.nwacaptain.com/.
>>
>> John - KUAO
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wandering from the Matronics List |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
I posted it on my web site in the tips section, here
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/tips.html>
Let me know if there are any problems getting the file.
Larry Rosen
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> Larry,
>
> I'm sure plenty of us would like to get our hands on that
> spreadsheet. I for one. I'd suggest emailing it to Tim or someone to
> post on their site. Otherwise you'll be emailing to a lot of people. :)
>
> -Sean #40303
>
>
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| Subject: | Interior Lighting |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
I am closing up the fuselage floors (hoping I have left enough access
for electrical runs) and I started thinking about interior lighting.
To light the baggage area is anyone installing lighting in either the
rear baggage door close out panel or in the rear seat bulkhead?
How about map lights for the rear passengers in the bulkhead?
What are some sources for interior lights?
Larry Rosen
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
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List)
| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance (was Wandering from the Matronics |
List)
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Well, I searched through my archives and credit for the weight and
balance spreadsheet goes to Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 Builder #40025.
Tim Olson had posted on his web site at
<http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/TDT/Weight_&_Balance.zip>
or
<http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/TDT/Weight_&_Balance.xls>
or now it is on my site at
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/tips.html>
It is in a thread titled V speeds for an RV-10 back in November 2005
Larry Rosen
>
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| Subject: | Weight and Balance (was Wandering from the Matronics List) |
No applause, please, just send cash! : )
TDT
40025
Finish kit/motor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Larry Rosen
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weight and Balance (was Wandering from the Matronics List)
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Well, I searched through my archives and credit for the weight and
balance spreadsheet goes to Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 Builder #40025.
Tim Olson had posted on his web site at
<http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/TDT/Weight_&_Balance.zip>
or
<http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/TDT/Weight_&_Balance.xls>
or now it is on my site at
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/tips.html>
It is in a thread titled V speeds for an RV-10 back in November 2005
Larry Rosen
>
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| Subject: | Interior Lighting |
eBay or automotive supply houses have a variety of LED-type lights these days.
That's probably your best bet - low current and long life . . .
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Larry Rosen
Subject: RV10-List: Interior Lighting
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
I am closing up the fuselage floors (hoping I have left enough access
for electrical runs) and I started thinking about interior lighting.
To light the baggage area is anyone installing lighting in either the
rear baggage door close out panel or in the rear seat bulkhead?
How about map lights for the rear passengers in the bulkhead?
What are some sources for interior lights?
Larry Rosen
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
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| Subject: | Suggestion on the needed tool. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Hello all,
I am trying to finish up dimpling all my elevator parts and have two problem
areas. The last three holes in the elevator tip rib flange at the trailing
edge are so close to the opposite flange there is no room to get in there.
Are these three holes best to countersink even know the rib skin is thin?
Lastly, the rear elevator spar is so narrow that again my pnuematic dimpler
present a problem as the only way to get the male die to get into its hole
is to carefully get the male dimple to start to move, then line it up and
then go for it. Maybe I could do this with one hole but not the 200 or so,
this is suicide. I do not own a hand squezer/rivetter. Any suggestions
short of purchasing the manual dimpler?
THANKS,
John G. #40409
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| Subject: | Suggestion on the needed tool. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Avery has Vice grip dimplers for tight areas. There is also a pop rivet
dimple tool, that you can use without the nail, and squeeze them with a
pair of pliers
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Subject: RV10-List: Suggestion on the needed tool.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Hello all,
I am trying to finish up dimpling all my elevator parts and have two
problem
areas. The last three holes in the elevator tip rib flange at the
trailing
edge are so close to the opposite flange there is no room to get in
there.
Are these three holes best to countersink even know the rib skin is
thin?
Lastly, the rear elevator spar is so narrow that again my pnuematic
dimpler
present a problem as the only way to get the male die to get into its
hole
is to carefully get the male dimple to start to move, then line it up
and
then go for it. Maybe I could do this with one hole but not the 200 or
so,
this is suicide. I do not own a hand squezer/rivetter. Any suggestions
short of purchasing the manual dimpler?
THANKS,
John G. #40409
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| Subject: | Re: Suggestion on the needed tool. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
For the ellevator use a pop rivet dimpler which you will use in several
other places and no hand squeezer???? Borrow one!
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Suggestion on the needed tool.
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am trying to finish up dimpling all my elevator parts and have two
> problem areas. The last three holes in the elevator tip rib flange at the
> trailing edge are so close to the opposite flange there is no room to get
> in there. Are these three holes best to countersink even know the rib
> skin is thin?
>
> Lastly, the rear elevator spar is so narrow that again my pnuematic
> dimpler present a problem as the only way to get the male die to get into
> its hole is to carefully get the male dimple to start to move, then line
> it up and then go for it. Maybe I could do this with one hole but not the
> 200 or so, this is suicide. I do not own a hand squezer/rivetter. Any
> suggestions short of purchasing the manual dimpler?
>
> THANKS,
>
> John G. #40409
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Suggestion on the needed tool. |
John,
I just finished those dimples myself. For the rear spar I did exactly what
you indicated below and went VERY slow with it. Didn't miss on any of the holes.
For the last holes in that rib I went to Home Depot and picked up a 1" C
clamp. I plan on using my close-quarters dies with the C clamp instead of the
pop rivet gun. I haven't done it yet, but I figure it will work out pretty
well. Another option is the vice-grip dimplers that Avery has or the tight fit
dimpling tool from Cleaveland. I just didn't want to wait for another tool
to ship, which is why I didn't go with either of these solutions.
--Shawn
40366
John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
Hello all,
I am trying to finish up dimpling all my elevator parts and have two problem
areas. The last three holes in the elevator tip rib flange at the trailing
edge are so close to the opposite flange there is no room to get in there.
Are these three holes best to countersink even know the rib skin is thin?
Lastly, the rear elevator spar is so narrow that again my pnuematic dimpler
present a problem as the only way to get the male die to get into its hole
is to carefully get the male dimple to start to move, then line it up and
then go for it. Maybe I could do this with one hole but not the 200 or so,
this is suicide. I do not own a hand squezer/rivetter. Any suggestions
short of purchasing the manual dimpler?
THANKS,
John G. #40409
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
These custom made parts are absolutely beautiful and no doubt much stronger.
The question that comes to mind is how strong do they need to be and if by
making them too strong are they putting too much stress on a different area.
These custom parts having a larger footprint is definetly a good idea.
Not being a mechanical engineer nor have I spent much time understanding the
full system of this trim cable and its load bearing points or it resting
points, but I wonder how strong the attatchment needs to be. My one concern
at this time about the Van's supplied parts is not the weld strength but the
size of the plate and its location in relation to the large cable cut out in
the plate that it is attatched to. Notice also that the rivet holes holding
the steel plate are almost in line with the cable cut out. I wonder whether
a crack might form in the aluminum anchor plate at the cable cut out and go
toward one of the rivet holes.
If one was to use this Van's part one might do one of two things to make it
better. Use Proseal when rivetting the steel plate down and or bond(NO
RIVETS) another doubler sheet across the plate between the steel plate and
the cable cut out, make this doubler much wider than the existing 1" steel
plate. It looks like there is a least 1/2".
Just a dentist thinking out load.
JOhn G. 40409
>From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>Reply-To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Parts
>Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:51:49 -0700
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>Here's a link to pics of the items that Zack references, They are SWEET!
>
>http://deemsrv10.com/album/CNC%20Parts/index.html
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Wings
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>Joseph Czachorowski wrote:
>
>>*Deems,*
>>** * Pics on the way to you to post. Dave will post it to his site when
>>he gets caught up on the CNC stuff he has going.*
>>** ** * Btw, he is also working on a hydro-formed one piece Trim Tab
>>Access panel that will replace the existing one. This Trim Tab Cover will
>>have a "fairing" on it that is integral (one piece) with the Trim Tab
>>Cover. He will have one ready in a couple of weeks. I'll post when it is
>>finished.*
>>** *Zack*
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to Randy to measure control throws |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
Chris,
Thanks for the links. Mine are like Mike Howe's and
(like him) I traced the rounded off retangle into the
doubler.
Did your comes as teardrop from the factory? Looking
at the photo's you can see the tear drop is bigger
than the retangle. It is the the same shape and size I
need to allow the aileron free travel to the stop.
I think people should check their rear spar and verify
that they have sufficient clearance. Don't rely on
sound as it makes a "clunk" as if it hit the stop
(when it's actually hitting the control rod).
I subsequently spoke with Randy and he opened up his
rectangle to more tear dropped for clearance as well.
I wish I knew about this issue before I riveted the
spar together but I'm glad that I know about it prior
to flying. My numbers are you need about 1/4 inch
additional clearance on the lower portion.
If you are still working on the wing kit you can check
this ahead of time by assembling the powder coated
parts of the aileron control system. You need only get
out the bellcrank, one aileron mount, cut the rod to
length and drill for the threaded ends. You can you
slide a rivet in to hold the ends on.
What is it like on the quickbuild wings?
Thanks,
Eric
--- Chris <toaster73@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris"
> <toaster73@earthlink.net>
>
> Is the hole through your rear spar a "modified
> teardrop shape or a uniform
> rectangle with rounded corners. I seem to remember
> seeing both types in
> various website photos:
> Look at the bottom 2 pictures on the following page
> on Mike Howe's or Tims
> site:
> http://www.etigerrr.com/Wings/september_6_2004.htm
> and then this picture on William Curtis site
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/07Wings/wings36.html
>
> My cut outs are like Williams , maybe has something
> to do with it?
>
> Chris Lucas
> #40072
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Panning" <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:46 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Visit to Randy to measure
> control throws
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi, Randy was nice enough to let me take some
> > measurements off of his airplane last night. We
> had a
> > great time discussing RV-10's and admiring his
> > airplane. Great motivation for anyone to keep at
> it.
> > Now if it only stops raining in Portland...
> >
> > I was primarily interested in aileron throws. We
> > measured the left wing aileron angle relative to
> the
> > top wing skin. Full up is 35 degrees and full down
> is
> > -12.6 degrees. To complete this motion, the
> actuator
> > rod transits ~ 2.2 inches.
> >
> > Upper travel should be limited by the hard stop on
> the
> > mounting angle. Lower travel, when wings attached
> to
> > fuselage, is limited by the mechanical stop on the
> > opposite wing. However, another check is the
> bellcrank
> > should never be "over center".
> >
> > I have an issue on my plane, my full up travel is
> > limited not by the mechanical stop, but by a
> clearance
> > issue with the actuator rod and the lower surface
> of
> > the hole in the rear spar. This could be addressed
> by
> > opening it up more, but I'm surprised that it is
> there
> > in the first place as everything is match drilled
> and
> > the doubler plate hole matches the factory opening
> in
> > the spar. Has anyone else seen this issue?
> >
> > I did not notice on Randy's plane if the same
> > clearance issue exists. There is no clearance
> issue on
> > the outboard edge of the hole as the range of
> travel
> > when installed is not enough to touch the edge.
> >
> > Also measured elevator and trim travel.
> >
> > Elevator: Full up 4.9 degrees above horizontal
> plane
> > Full down 33.2 degrees below horizontal
> > plane
> >
> > Trim tab (left):
> > Full down: 22 degrees down relative to trailing
> edge
> > of elevator
> > Full up: 6.4 degrees above relative to " " " "
> >
> > Trim tab (right):
> > Full down: 21 degress down " " " " "
> > Full up: 27.1 degrees up " " " " "
> >
> > Note: Full up travel is very different for L vs R
> tab.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
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