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1. 01:26 AM - Re: Gear leg thread (RAS)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: Re: Additional encoder with Chelton (David McNeill)
3. 01:21 PM - Re: The ultimate door latch (steveadams)
4. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
5. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Jeff Carpenter)
6. 04:25 PM - Tailcone construction question (Bill and Tami Britton)
7. 04:41 PM - Re: Tailcone construction question (James Hein)
8. 05:30 PM - Re: Tailcone construction question (John Jessen)
9. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Eric Panning)
10. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Tim Olson)
11. 08:01 PM - Re: End of the Spear (bruce breckenridge)
12. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
13. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
14. 08:25 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Deems Davis)
15. 08:58 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (JOHN STARN)
16. 09:02 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (John Lenhardt)
17. 10:40 PM - Re: Tailcone construction question (Bill and Tami Britton)
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| Subject: | Re: Gear leg thread |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
have you contacted Van's?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gear leg thread
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy"
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
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> That's actually for the nuts incorrectly threaded not the gear leg so my
> question still stands.
>
> chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:20 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Gear leg thread
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RAS"
>> <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
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>> There's a service bulletin from Van's that deals with this very subject.
>> Check the website or contact Van's.
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>> From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:18 PM
>> Subject: RV10-List: Gear leg thread
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>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy"
>>> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
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>>> Hi all ....one gear leg thread has not been done correctly with the
>>> first couple of threads not there at all...the other is fine,so the big
>>> nut will not take at all??
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>>> Any ideas??
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| Subject: | Re: Additional encoder with Chelton |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
The encoder requirement for the Chelton is really a choice in method of
implementation. The Chelton air data computer is a form of the GRT EIS which
outputs pressure altitude. The Chelton software (which is FAA certified for
their certified unit) uses the pressure altitude and altimeter setting to
display the indicated altitude for EFIS purposes. The problem arises when
transponders on the market require many different formats for input. For
years the standard has been the parallel input "grey code". Now many
transponders also allow serial inputs in different formats. Changing and
recertifying software for every new piece of hardware coming on the market
would be a daunting task as well as lend itself to errors (glitches)
creeping into the software. I have read the GRT EFIS list for some time and
the GRT software seems to be always in a state of flux. This flux would be
untenable for a certified unit; hence the isolation of the format conversion
for transponder input to the separate encoder. Therefore the purchase
decision comes down to a user decision whether to fly with a certified
software (more stable but less flexible) or a continual Beta version of
another EFIS software. Hope this helps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Additional encoder with Chelton
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Here's an offline reply that would give some info to the list if
people have similar questions....
> Tim,
>
> I noticed this at first in the pictures, then on your latest write-up for
> you panel. You mention One nice piece of equipment in my panel is the Ack
> A30 Mod 8 altitude encoder. I encourage people looking for an encoder to
> look at that one. It allows 2 serial, and one Grey code output, which
> comes in really handy if you have a GNS480 and an SL30.
>
> How come you are using a separate ACK_30 encoder to provide altitude to
> your GNS480 and SL30? Can you not use the $25,000 Chelton with its built
> in Air/Data computer to send serial or Grey code altitude to your Nav
> devices? At least that way there would be no variances between what you
> are flying and what you are reporting. Even the lowly Dynon 10A can
> provided serial altitude to the GNS480 and SL30 with its single port.
>
The answer is that the Chelton doesn't have a "built-in" air data
computer. It uses an external air data computer which is actually
a crippled GRT EIS. If you get the GRT EIS, then that replaces
the air data computer that you'd get with the Chelton. (They'll
give you a credit for it.) The GRT will put out air data and
serial altitude to the Chelton. But, nobody really had a good answer
if the EIS would output the proper signals to the Transponder
and GNS480. I know the GRT EFIS would output the proper formats,
but that's after the EFIS processes the data. I had also been
told that in order to use the GTX330 TIS, I'd need an external
encoder. So I decided to get one that would do everything I'd
want. Besides that, the ACK is a TSO'd encoder, that I guess
I would think puts me in a slightly better "legal" situation
in regards to IFR static tests, as I basically have a system
between the ACK/GTX330/GNS480 that would be approvable in a
certified aircraft.
> The Mod 8 ACK encoder is the first ACK-30 to offer serial as well as Grey
> code output, however I dont see any benefit to multiple serial outputs. A
> single serial output from one (ACK-30) should be able to drive multiple
> devices. This is similar to the single Aviation output serial port on my
> Garmin GNS-430 driving three sometimes four separate devicesthe GTX-327
> Transponder, the EI Fuel Flow, the Garmin 195 portable and occasionally a
> tablet computer.
That's true that a serial output can drive multiple devices just
fine, but in the case of the GNS480, it prefers the 1200 baud
Apollo format, and the GTX330 prefers the GARMIN/TRIMBLE format
at 9600 baud. So rather than hooking them up and hoping that
I could get them both to recognize a common format, with only
2 wires I can hook them both up using their preferred methods.
And, what happens if you shut off the GNS430? Does the serial output
still go to the GTX-327 just fine and any other devices? I decided
that the ACK sending separate signals (which do read the exact same
altitude...and are within 10' of the GRT unit) would be a better
"fail safe" way to go. I can lose a transponder and my entire
chelton system, and still have altitude data on my GNS480.
>
> Seems a waste to spend all that money on the Chelton and then rely on a
> $200 ACK-30 for your altitude reporting. Ive never been able to get my
> hands on the Chelton installation manuals to truly access its capabilities
> so this is probably why I have never considered it. So what am I missing
> that explains the separate encoder?
Well, in the big scheme of things, the $200 didn't have any impact on
my decisions. The alternative of trusting it all to the GRT maybe
could have worked, but there were enough barriers to that method,
the largest of which was the lack of information available, and making
it harder yet was when 3 different vendors couldn't decide among
themselves if I could do it without a separate encoder. When I saw
what the ACK would do, to me it simplifies things, and also gives some
good redundancy, so I'm happy with it. It's a cool little box, too.
Hope that answers the questions a bit. I'm sure there's even more
to the story that could be filled in, but I didn't have luck
getting any more info than that.
On the good side, with the exception of my music input jacks, any wires
that run out to the wing (except my trim, which is done) I now have a
fully wired, fully operational (as far as I can tell without turning
the engine on outside), and fully integrated panel. So next weekend
I'm planning to take it all to the airport for final assembly.
If I keep my same pace, I'll be ready for the DAR/FAA sometime
in February, with a target date of March 1.
Tim
>
> William Curtis
> http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission profile like the RV-10 should
have been designed with locking door latches? It's not a hanger queen designed
to get pulled out for a short joy ride every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead
of trying to jury rig a lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for something
that looks good but may or may not work as specified, a little pressure on Vans
from the builders would encourage them to design and build a locking latch
that could at least be ordered as an option. They seem to have the resources
to get something like that made up pretty quickly if they get the impression that
it is important to their customers. Also, in general their prices are usually
pretty reasonable. Just a suggestion.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6231#6231
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
GOOD IDEA, WHY HAVEN'T WE DONE THIS SOONER.
DOUG PRESTON
#40372
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
I've seen it discussed here before... but consider the damage that
someone will do to your locked door to get at to your $35,000 panel.
It's arguably better to minimize the collateral damage to your plane
by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured cover (so they can't
tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better approach.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Top Skinning the Wings
On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
> <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
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> Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission profile like the
> RV-10 should have been designed with locking door latches? It's not
> a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a short joy ride
> every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying to jury rig a
> lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for something that looks
> good but may or may not work as specified, a little pressure on
> Vans from the builders would encourage them to design and build a
> locking latch that could at least be ordered as an option. They
> seem to have the resources to get something like that made up
> pretty quickly if they get the impression that it is important to
> their customers. Also, in general their prices are usually pretty
> reasonable. Just a suggestion.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6231#6231
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| Subject: | Tailcone construction question |
I'm assembling the tailcone on my -10 and came to a question in the instructions.
On page 10-4 steps 3,4 the instructions say to assemble the frame halves with
the left half in front of the right half. Meanwhile, the picture shows it
the opposite of that with the right half in front of the left half. Anybody
else stumbled upon this???
Bill Britton
RV-10 Tailcone
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone construction question |
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| Subject: | Tailcone construction question |
It's okay in the plans. Mine are dated 9/16/03. It all depends on what the
"front" is. Look at the wire frame picture at the front of Section 10 and
you'll see that the flanges are pointing towards the front of the plane,
which is always the definition of front. Took me awhile to figure that out,
too.
John Jessen
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Tami
Britton
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone construction question
I'm assembling the tailcone on my -10 and came to a question in the
instructions. On page 10-4 steps 3,4 the instructions say to assemble the
frame halves with the left half in front of the right half. Meanwhile, the
picture shows it the opposite of that with the right half in front of the
left half. Anybody else stumbled upon this???
Bill Britton
RV-10 Tailcone
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade
for the reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as
to have a hanger initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the
insurance company would take issue with this approach
when filing a claim. Also, what if they run off with
the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
security that the plane was unlocked....
While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust
lock for the stick?
Eric
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> I've seen it discussed here before... but consider
> the damage that
> someone will do to your locked door to get at to
> your $35,000 panel.
> It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
> damage to your plane
> by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured
> cover (so they can't
> tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better
> approach.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Top Skinning the Wings
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
> > <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
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> > Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
> profile like the
> > RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
> latches? It's not
> > a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
> short joy ride
> > every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
> to jury rig a
> > lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
> something that looks
> > good but may or may not work as specified, a
> little pressure on
> > Vans from the builders would encourage them to
> design and build a
> > locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
> option. They
> > seem to have the resources to get something like
> that made up
> > pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
> is important to
> > their customers. Also, in general their prices are
> usually pretty
> > reasonable. Just a suggestion.
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Gust lock = seat belt wrapped over the stick.
I'm on the fence regarding the door lock issue. Of course,
I'd love to have a door lock. But, Van's didn't make one, and
it gave me a chuckle to read the email that suggested that
they'd listen to our input and decide to offer them. Perhaps
they would, but they'd be an add on cost item, for sure.
I myself still think a good idea is to use their door
latch warning system as a combination door latch warning
and alarm system. People don't look too hard at
a car with beeping horn and blinking lights, but I bet
it would gain some quick attention on the ramp....and it would
prevent someone from doing extreme damage to your plane by
trying to pry open your locked doors.
That's only worth .01 cent, so I won't even give my .02. ;)
Tim
Eric Panning wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>
> I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade
> for the reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as
> to have a hanger initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
>
>
> Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the
> insurance company would take issue with this approach
> when filing a claim. Also, what if they run off with
> the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
> I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
> security that the plane was unlocked....
>
> While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust
> lock for the stick?
>
> Eric
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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>
> --- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>><jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>>I've seen it discussed here before... but consider
>>the damage that
>>someone will do to your locked door to get at to
>>your $35,000 panel.
>>It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
>>damage to your plane
>>by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured
>>cover (so they can't
>>tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better
>>approach.
>>
>>Jeff Carpenter
>>40304
>>Top Skinning the Wings
>>
>>
>>On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
>>><dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
>>
>>profile like the
>>
>>>RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
>>
>>latches? It's not
>>
>>>a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
>>
>>short joy ride
>>
>>>every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
>>
>>to jury rig a
>>
>>>lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
>>
>>something that looks
>>
>>>good but may or may not work as specified, a
>>
>>little pressure on
>>
>>>Vans from the builders would encourage them to
>>
>>design and build a
>>
>>>locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
>>
>>option. They
>>
>>>seem to have the resources to get something like
>>
>>that made up
>>
>>>pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
>>
>>is important to
>>
>>>their customers. Also, in general their prices are
>>
>>usually pretty
>>
>>>reasonable. Just a suggestion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6231#6231
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| Subject: | RE: End of the Spear |
--> RV10-List message posted by: bruce breckenridge <bbreckenridge@gmail.com>
Jesse;
Yes, my wife and I treated our neice to the show on Saturday night.
We really enjoyed it. I agree with Tim about the ending river scene.
I also found the scene surrounding the spearing of the men really hard
to watch.
But, I gotta say, when I first saw that GPS antenna....!!! I thought,
something sticky and yellow could've covered it! Then, I tried to
think of all the Piper Cub owners I know, and how I needed to warn
them not to see the movie if they hold the little bush planes near to
their hearts. Then, I realized, I don't know anybody that owns one!
Whew!
Thanks Jesse for the heads up on the film months ago. Hope to meet
you some day.
Bruce
40018
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
Request to you entrepeneurs with your own machine shop (or maybe it already exists):
Someone please create a nice-looking, easy-working gust lock for the RV-10 and
I'll be the first to order. I'm always appalled to see a $400,000 Saratoga with
a seatbelt wrapped around the yoke . . .
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Panning
Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade
for the reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as
to have a hanger initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the
insurance company would take issue with this approach
when filing a claim. Also, what if they run off with
the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
security that the plane was unlocked....
While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust
lock for the stick?
Eric
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> I've seen it discussed here before... but consider
> the damage that
> someone will do to your locked door to get at to
> your $35,000 panel.
> It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
> damage to your plane
> by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured
> cover (so they can't
> tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better
> approach.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Top Skinning the Wings
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
> > <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
> profile like the
> > RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
> latches? It's not
> > a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
> short joy ride
> > every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
> to jury rig a
> > lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
> something that looks
> > good but may or may not work as specified, a
> little pressure on
> > Vans from the builders would encourage them to
> design and build a
> > locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
> option. They
> > seem to have the resources to get something like
> that made up
> > pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
> is important to
> > their customers. Also, in general their prices are
> usually pretty
> > reasonable. Just a suggestion.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D6231#6231
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
Don't let this happen to you!
NTSB Identification: ATL03CA105.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division <http://www.ntsb.gov/info/sources.htm#pib>
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Wednesday, June 11, 2003 in St. Simons Isld, GA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 9/30/2003
Aircraft: Ayers RV-6A, registration: N221SA
Injuries: 1 Minor.
According to the pilot, the right control stick was secured with the passenger
seat belt, acting as a gust lock. The pilot stated that he took off without removing
the seat belt from the control stick. When the airplane pitched up, it
veered to the left side of the runway, the pilot reduced engine power, landed
off the left side of the runway and flipped inverted.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this
accident as follows:
The pilot's inadequate preflight inspection that resulted in his failure to remove
the seatbelt (flight control gust lock) from the right side flight control
stick.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Gust lock =3D seat belt wrapped over the stick.
I'm on the fence regarding the door lock issue. Of course,
I'd love to have a door lock. But, Van's didn't make one, and
it gave me a chuckle to read the email that suggested that
they'd listen to our input and decide to offer them. Perhaps
they would, but they'd be an add on cost item, for sure.
I myself still think a good idea is to use their door
latch warning system as a combination door latch warning
and alarm system. People don't look too hard at
a car with beeping horn and blinking lights, but I bet
it would gain some quick attention on the ramp....and it would
prevent someone from doing extreme damage to your plane by
trying to pry open your locked doors.
That's only worth .01 cent, so I won't even give my .02. ;)
Tim
Eric Panning wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>
> I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade
> for the reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as
> to have a hanger initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
>
>
> Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the
> insurance company would take issue with this approach
> when filing a claim. Also, what if they run off with
> the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
> I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
> security that the plane was unlocked....
>
> While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust
> lock for the stick?
>
> Eric
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> --- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>><jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>>I've seen it discussed here before... but consider
>>the damage that
>>someone will do to your locked door to get at to
>>your $35,000 panel.
>>It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
>>damage to your plane
>>by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured
>>cover (so they can't
>>tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better
>>approach.
>>
>>Jeff Carpenter
>>40304
>>Top Skinning the Wings
>>
>>
>>On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
>>><dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
>>
>>profile like the
>>
>>>RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
>>
>>latches? It's not
>>
>>>a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
>>
>>short joy ride
>>
>>>every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
>>
>>to jury rig a
>>
>>>lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
>>
>>something that looks
>>
>>>good but may or may not work as specified, a
>>
>>little pressure on
>>
>>>Vans from the builders would encourage them to
>>
>>design and build a
>>
>>>locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
>>
>>option. They
>>
>>>seem to have the resources to get something like
>>
>>that made up
>>
>>>pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
>>
>>is important to
>>
>>>their customers. Also, in general their prices are
>>
>>usually pretty
>>
>>>reasonable. Just a suggestion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D6231#6231
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>browse
>>Subscriptions page,
>>FAQ,
>>
>>Admin.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
The Colorado 10's that were @ OSH this year had some simple and
effective gust locks, that fit the Ailerons and the Elevators. They were
fabricated from Aluminum sheet probably.032 or slightly thicker, they
were about an inch to an inch and 1/2 wide, and I'm guessing about 3-4
inches long. At the top and bottom there was a hole drilled (approx
1/2-5/8 inch) that equaled or slightly smaller than the diameter of a
foam 'noodle' that was inserted through each end, the noodle provided
enough friction against the skin to keep things tight when the metal
piece was slipped between the elevator and the HS (e.g.) or the aileron
and the wing tip or flap. and didn't present any possibility of
scratching the paint/skins. I've had my eye out for where to find the
'noodle' material, it was the same material that they make the larger
noodles that kids use in the swimming pools, They may have come from
some Nerf dart set as well.
Deems Davis # 406
Wings (finishing up)
http://deemsrv10.com/
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>Request to you entrepeneurs with your own machine shop (or maybe it already exists):
>
>Someone please create a nice-looking, easy-working gust lock for the RV-10 and
I'll be the first to order. I'm always appalled to see a $400,000 Saratoga with
a seatbelt wrapped around the yoke . . .
>
>TDT
>40025
>
>________________________________
>
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Panning
>Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:32 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
>
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>
>I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade
>for the reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as
>to have a hanger initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
>
>
>Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the
>insurance company would take issue with this approach
>when filing a claim. Also, what if they run off with
>the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
>I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
>security that the plane was unlocked....
>
>While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust
>lock for the stick?
>
>Eric
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>--- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>><jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>>I've seen it discussed here before... but consider
>>the damage that
>>someone will do to your locked door to get at to
>>your $35,000 panel.
>>It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
>>damage to your plane
>>by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured
>>cover (so they can't
>>tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better
>>approach.
>>
>>Jeff Carpenter
>>40304
>>Top Skinning the Wings
>>
>>
>>On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
>>><dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
>>>
>>>
>>profile like the
>>
>>
>>>RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
>>>
>>>
>>latches? It's not
>>
>>
>>>a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
>>>
>>>
>>short joy ride
>>
>>
>>>every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
>>>
>>>
>>to jury rig a
>>
>>
>>>lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
>>>
>>>
>>something that looks
>>
>>
>>>good but may or may not work as specified, a
>>>
>>>
>>little pressure on
>>
>>
>>>Vans from the builders would encourage them to
>>>
>>>
>>design and build a
>>
>>
>>>locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
>>>
>>>
>>option. They
>>
>>
>>>seem to have the resources to get something like
>>>
>>>
>>that made up
>>
>>
>>>pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
>>>
>>>
>>is important to
>>
>>
>>>their customers. Also, in general their prices are
>>>
>>>
>>usually pretty
>>
>>
>>>reasonable. Just a suggestion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6231#6231
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>browse
>>Subscriptions page,
>>FAQ,
>>
>>Admin.
>>
>>
>>
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Cc: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>, "Frank Tomko" <ezflyer@charter.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
In the motto of the Wild Weasels (F-4E Phantom II). My flying partner,
Gummibear, would say "Y.G.T.B.S.M.". "Stir the pot, stickie no move, you
don't either". KABONG HRII N561FS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
Don't let this happen to you!
NTSB Identification: ATL03CA105.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact
Records Management Division <http://www.ntsb.gov/info/sources.htm#pib>
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Wednesday, June 11, 2003 in St. Simons Isld, GA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 9/30/2003
Aircraft: Ayers RV-6A, registration: N221SA
Injuries: 1 Minor.
According to the pilot, the right control stick was secured with the
passenger seat belt, acting as a gust lock. The pilot stated that he took
off without removing the seat belt from the control stick. When the airplane
pitched up, it veered to the left side of the runway, the pilot reduced
engine power, landed off the left side of the runway and flipped inverted.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of
this accident as follows:
The pilot's inadequate preflight inspection that resulted in his failure to
remove the seatbelt (flight control gust lock) from the right side flight
control stick.
Message 16
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
Here's a picture of a full metal version and there's a version for the rudder using
the stops too. If anyone is interested, I can get pictures of all of them
and post. The advantage is that the surfaces are held without the pressures
being transmitted through the control rods and cables. Also, the controls will
not move and that should be noticeable during the checklist (you do use a checklist,
right?) or taxi if you forget them.
As far as locking goes, I plan on locking the throttle and mixture controls too. I plan on making locks similar to the ones at Sportys (http://www.sportys.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&did=3D19&product_id=3D3569). You can get a pair of those padlocks at Lowes or Walmart for $20 and I'll weld up the tube. I like the simple doorlocks from this list and I plan to use them too. I don't want it to be too easy to get in my plane after removing the cover. I want "them" to look for easier targets.
John Lenhardt
#40262
----- Original Message -----
From: Deems Davis
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
The Colorado 10's that were @ OSH this year had some simple and
effective gust locks, that fit the Ailerons and the Elevators. They were
fabricated from Aluminum sheet probably.032 or slightly thicker, they
were about an inch to an inch and 1/2 wide, and I'm guessing about 3-4
inches long. At the top and bottom there was a hole drilled (approx
1/2-5/8 inch) that equaled or slightly smaller than the diameter of a
foam 'noodle' that was inserted through each end, the noodle provided
enough friction against the skin to keep things tight when the metal
piece was slipped between the elevator and the HS (e.g.) or the aileron
and the wing tip or flap. and didn't present any possibility of
scratching the paint/skins. I've had my eye out for where to find the
'noodle' material, it was the same material that they make the larger
noodles that kids use in the swimming pools, They may have come from
some Nerf dart set as well.
Deems Davis # 406
Wings (finishing up)
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone construction question |
Thanks John. Next time I'll look at the plans better.
Bill Britton
RV-10 Tailcone
BTW: The angle worked great. Just what I needed. If you ever need anything let
me know.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Jessen
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:28 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tailcone construction question
It's okay in the plans. Mine are dated 9/16/03. It all depends on what the
"front" is. Look at the wire frame picture at the front of Section 10 and you'll
see that the flanges are pointing towards the front of the plane, which is
always the definition of front. Took me awhile to figure that out, too.
John Jessen
do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Tami Britton
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:25 PM
To: RV10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone construction question
I'm assembling the tailcone on my -10 and came to a question in the instructions.
On page 10-4 steps 3,4 the instructions say to assemble the frame halves
with the left half in front of the right half. Meanwhile, the picture shows
it the opposite of that with the right half in front of the left half. Anybody
else stumbled upon this???
Bill Britton
RV-10 Tailcone
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