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1. 02:50 AM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (RAS)
2. 03:07 AM - Re: Gear leg thread (Chris , Susie Darcy)
3. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Scott Bukolt)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: Tailcone construction question (Roman Bukolt)
5. 06:56 AM - Re: Tailcone construction question (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
6. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
7. 07:04 AM - Re: Tailcone construction question (Deems Davis)
8. 07:10 AM - (Jeffery J. Morgan)
9. 07:10 AM - Re: Tailcone construction question (Tim Olson)
10. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (pilotdds@aol.com)
11. 07:21 AM - Re: Tailcone construction question (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
12. 07:31 AM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Scott Bukolt)
13. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (John Jessen)
15. 08:43 AM - Re: Pro Seal Wipes (Darton Steve)
16. 09:13 AM - Re: Pro Seal Wipes (John W. Cox)
17. 09:27 AM - Re: Tailcone construction question (Rene Felker)
18. 09:37 AM - Re: Pro Seal Wipes (Sean Stephens)
19. 10:02 AM - Doorlock (Henkjan van der Zouw)
20. 10:13 AM - Re: Pro Seal Wipes (Deems Davis)
21. 10:19 AM - Re: Pro Seal Wipes (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
22. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Tim Olson)
23. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
24. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (John Jessen)
25. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (JOHN STARN)
26. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (JOHN STARN)
27. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (John Jessen)
28. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
29. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: The ultimate door latch (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
30. 01:27 PM - Re: Doorlock (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
31. 01:54 PM - fuelproof bushings? (Chris Johnston)
32. 03:52 PM - Riveting the elevator trim cable anchor brackets (John Gonzalez)
33. 04:46 PM - Re: Pro Seal Wipes (rob kermanj)
34. 04:50 PM - Re: Doorlock (rob kermanj)
35. 11:40 PM - Re: Riveting the elevator trim cable anchor brackets (Deems Davis)
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
Doesn't it do the job? At no extra cost?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:59 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
Request to you entrepeneurs with your own machine shop (or maybe it already
exists):
Someone please create a nice-looking, easy-working gust lock for the RV-10
and I'll be the first to order. I'm always appalled to see a $400,000
Saratoga with a seatbelt wrapped around the yoke . . .
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Panning
Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade
for the reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as
to have a hanger initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the
insurance company would take issue with this approach
when filing a claim. Also, what if they run off with
the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
security that the plane was unlocked....
While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust
lock for the stick?
Eric
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> I've seen it discussed here before... but consider
> the damage that
> someone will do to your locked door to get at to
> your $35,000 panel.
> It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
> damage to your plane
> by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured
> cover (so they can't
> tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better
> approach.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Top Skinning the Wings
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
> > <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
> profile like the
> > RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
> latches? It's not
> > a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
> short joy ride
> > every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
> to jury rig a
> > lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
> something that looks
> > good but may or may not work as specified, a
> little pressure on
> > Vans from the builders would encourage them to
> design and build a
> > locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
> option. They
> > seem to have the resources to get something like
> that made up
> > pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
> is important to
> > their customers. Also, in general their prices are
> usually pretty
> > reasonable. Just a suggestion.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Gear leg thread |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Got a reply from Vans....they are sending a new gear leg out........to
Melbourne Australia. Now that's service!!
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:18 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Gear leg thread
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy"
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Hi all ....one gear leg thread has not been done correctly with the first
> couple of threads not there at all...the other is fine,so the big nut will
> not take at all??
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Chris
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
I'm a rookie, so please excuse the ignorant question:
What is wrong with using seatbelt as a gust lock? From my novice
perspective it seems ideal:
1. Pretty fool proof if you use the left seatbelt. You can't sit in the
left seat with the "gust lock" in place, eliminating the potential for
error.
2. Seatbelts are handy and not in use for other purposes when gust locks
are needed (i.e. when the plane is not in use).
3. They work just as well as something you must build or pay
additionally for.
Please help me understand how this is inappropriate.
Scott
Scott Bukolt
RV-10 #40541 (Empenage kit arrived 1/23/06)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
Request to you entrepeneurs with your own machine shop (or maybe it
already exists):
Someone please create a nice-looking, easy-working gust lock for the
RV-10 and I'll be the first to order. I'm always appalled to see a
$400,000 Saratoga with a seatbelt wrapped around the yoke . . .
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Panning
Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
<ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade
for the reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as
to have a hanger initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the
insurance company would take issue with this approach
when filing a claim. Also, what if they run off with
the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
security that the plane was unlocked....
While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust
lock for the stick?
Eric
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> I've seen it discussed here before... but consider
> the damage that
> someone will do to your locked door to get at to
> your $35,000 panel.
> It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
> damage to your plane
> by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured
> cover (so they can't
> tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better
> approach.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Top Skinning the Wings
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
> > <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
> profile like the
> > RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
> latches? It's not
> > a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
> short joy ride
> > every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
> to jury rig a
> > lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
> something that looks
> > good but may or may not work as specified, a
> little pressure on
> > Vans from the builders would encourage them to
> design and build a
> > locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
> option. They
> > seem to have the resources to get something like
> that made up
> > pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
> is important to
> > their customers. Also, in general their prices are
> usually pretty
> > reasonable. Just a suggestion.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6231#6231
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone construction question |
Trivia Question
I just opened my Emp. kit No.40541 last night. In the manual. they start with
"Section 6". What happened to 1 thru 5? Am I missing something or are doing
the George Lucas thing like episode 4 of Star Wars before 1, 2, and3?
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| Subject: | Tailcone construction question |
Sections 1-5 are 8.5" x 11" pages that contain general construction
information. You should have them someplace!
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman Bukolt
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone construction question
Trivia Question
I just opened my Emp. kit No.40541 last night. In the manual. they
start with "Section 6". What happened to 1 thru 5? Am I missing
something or are doing the George Lucas thing like episode 4 of Star
Wars before 1, 2, and3?
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
I guess it's a matter of taste. Something like using tools only for the
jobs they were intended. You can use a screwdriver as a crowbar, too,
if you want . . .
Then there's the aesthetics . . .
TDT
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bukolt
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
I'm a rookie, so please excuse the ignorant question:
What is wrong with using seatbelt as a gust lock? From my novice
perspective it seems ideal:
1. Pretty fool proof if you use the left seatbelt. You can't sit in the
left seat with the "gust lock" in place, eliminating the potential for
error.
2. Seatbelts are handy and not in use for other purposes when gust locks
are needed (i.e. when the plane is not in use).
3. They work just as well as something you must build or pay
additionally for.
Please help me understand how this is inappropriate.
Scott
Scott Bukolt
RV-10 #40541 (Empenage kit arrived 1/23/06)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
Request to you entrepeneurs with your own machine shop (or maybe it
already exists):
Someone please create a nice-looking, easy-working gust lock for the
RV-10 and I'll be the first to order. I'm always appalled to see a
$400,000 Saratoga with a seatbelt wrapped around the yoke . . .
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Panning
Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
<ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade
for the reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as
to have a hanger initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the
insurance company would take issue with this approach
when filing a claim. Also, what if they run off with
the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
security that the plane was unlocked....
While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust
lock for the stick?
Eric
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> I've seen it discussed here before... but consider
> the damage that
> someone will do to your locked door to get at to
> your $35,000 panel.
> It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
> damage to your plane
> by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured
> cover (so they can't
> tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better
> approach.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Top Skinning the Wings
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
> > <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
> profile like the
> > RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
> latches? It's not
> > a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
> short joy ride
> > every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
> to jury rig a
> > lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
> something that looks
> > good but may or may not work as specified, a
> little pressure on
> > Vans from the builders would encourage them to
> design and build a
> > locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
> option. They
> > seem to have the resources to get something like
> that made up
> > pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
> is important to
> > their customers. Also, in general their prices are
> usually pretty
> > reasonable. Just a suggestion.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6231#6231
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone construction question |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sections 1-5 are the construction manual that also ships with the Emp kit.
Deems Davis # 406
Wings
http://deemsrv10.com/
Roman Bukolt wrote:
> Trivia Question
>
> I just opened my Emp. kit No.40541 last night. In the manual. they
> start with "Section 6". What happened to 1 thru 5? Am I missing
> something or are doing the George Lucas thing like episode 4 of Star
> Wars before 1, 2, and3?
>
> Do not archive
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I was looking for the price sheet from last year for the 10 and was not
able to find it. I am wondering how much the parts went up this year,
and if anyone has last year too, that would be helpful.
Thanks
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone construction question |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
It's the Van's general building info. Comes in a regular 8-1/2x11"
format and has tips on riveting, fasteners, torque, and many
other things. I think it's the front end to all the kits.
If you didn't get it, let me know and I can get you what I got.
Tim
Roman Bukolt wrote:
> Trivia Question
>
> I just opened my Emp. kit No.40541 last night. In the manual. they
> start with "Section 6". What happened to 1 thru 5? Am I missing
> something or are doing the George Lucas thing like episode 4 of Star
> Wars before 1, 2, and3?
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
There is not a cessna on the ramp I cant unlock with a paperclip
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:32:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade
for the reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as
to have a hanger initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the
insurance company would take issue with this approach
when filing a claim. Also, what if they run off with
the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
security that the plane was unlocked....
While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust
lock for the stick?
Eric
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> I've seen it discussed here before... but consider
> the damage that
> someone will do to your locked door to get at to
> your $35,000 panel.
> It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
> damage to your plane
> by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured
> cover (so they can't
> tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better
> approach.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Top Skinning the Wings
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
> > <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
> profile like the
> > RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
> latches? It's not
> > a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
> short joy ride
> > every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
> to jury rig a
> > lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
> something that looks
> > good but may or may not work as specified, a
> little pressure on
> > Vans from the builders would encourage them to
> design and build a
> > locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
> option. They
> > seem to have the resources to get something like
> that made up
> > pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
> is important to
> > their customers. Also, in general their prices are
> usually pretty
> > reasonable. Just a suggestion.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6231#6231
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| Subject: | Tailcone construction question |
Section 1-5 come with the easy button from Staples, you mean you did not
get this already? It is a must have to finish the plane, I got one for
Christmas and you would be amazed at how quickly the build goes every
time I push the button!
Actually sec 1-5 is the construction techniques, and is on 8.5 x 11
paper, and should have other papers with it, like an RMA form and such.
I got a binder from Wally World to put papers in, and also ordered an
11x18 hard cover 3 ring binder, because the one Vans sends covers the
inside of each page, and they are easier to see in the big binder, plus
you can remove just the pages you are working on.
Dan
40269
Wings
hopefully soon to be fuselage, this easy button works so well!
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman Bukolt
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone construction question
Trivia Question
I just opened my Emp. kit No.40541 last night. In the manual. they
start with "Section 6". What happened to 1 thru 5? Am I missing
something or are doing the George Lucas thing like episode 4 of Star
Wars before 1, 2, and3?
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
So if we renamed seatbelts simply "retention devices" they would become
appropriate and tasteful tools for use as gust locks?
I figured there was some integrity or safety issue. Perhaps I'm too
pragmatic. Also I thought of another important reason Seatbelts make
good locks. Weight. Why carry an extra ounce around with you if there is
no need?
Not trying to be argumentative, just learning.
sb
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
I guess it's a matter of taste. Something like using tools only for the
jobs they were intended. You can use a screwdriver as a crowbar, too,
if you want . . .
Then there's the aesthetics . . .
TDT
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bukolt
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
I'm a rookie, so please excuse the ignorant question:
What is wrong with using seatbelt as a gust lock? From my novice
perspective it seems ideal:
1. Pretty fool proof if you use the left seatbelt. You can't sit in the
left seat with the "gust lock" in place, eliminating the potential for
error.
2. Seatbelts are handy and not in use for other purposes when gust locks
are needed (i.e. when the plane is not in use).
3. They work just as well as something you must build or pay
additionally for.
Please help me understand how this is inappropriate.
Scott
Scott Bukolt
RV-10 #40541 (Empenage kit arrived 1/23/06)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
Request to you entrepeneurs with your own machine shop (or maybe it
already exists):
Someone please create a nice-looking, easy-working gust lock for the
RV-10 and I'll be the first to order. I'm always appalled to see a
$400,000 Saratoga with a seatbelt wrapped around the yoke . . .
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Panning
Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
<ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade
for the reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as
to have a hanger initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the
insurance company would take issue with this approach
when filing a claim. Also, what if they run off with
the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
security that the plane was unlocked....
While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust
lock for the stick?
Eric
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> I've seen it discussed here before... but consider
> the damage that
> someone will do to your locked door to get at to
> your $35,000 panel.
> It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
> damage to your plane
> by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured
> cover (so they can't
> tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better
> approach.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Top Skinning the Wings
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
> > <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
> profile like the
> > RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
> latches? It's not
> > a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
> short joy ride
> > every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
> to jury rig a
> > lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
> something that looks
> > good but may or may not work as specified, a
> little pressure on
> > Vans from the builders would encourage them to
> design and build a
> > locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
> option. They
> > seem to have the resources to get something like
> that made up
> > pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
> is important to
> > their customers. Also, in general their prices are
> usually pretty
> > reasonable. Just a suggestion.
> >
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
This is an area a gave a very small amount of thought to so far. Reason being
because there is no way I'm going to leave a 50k panel with an unlocked door.
I am more than happy to replace a broken window or even an entire door if it
might give an extra few minutes of work to a potential thief. Thieves don't
want to spend anytime in the open and will just walk away from a challenge 95%
of the time. But if they can simply walk up to an aircraft and climb in, shutting
the door behind them, they will almost certainly pick that aircraft as a
target.
So I will use some method to restrict access to my -10 one way or another. In
addition I am planning on integrating the door warning system with a run of
the mill auto alarm. I'm sure some people are giggling but for less than the
price of topping one of the tanks I can put in a loud alarm that will most certainly
deter someone from targeting it. Remember, deterrence is the best answer
in almost all occasions. An easy target has a much, much higher probability
of being stolen. There used to be a show on Discovery, don't recall the name,
in which a pair of reformed thieves would go around to peoples homes and show
them just how quickly they could steal them blind. In the show the one thing
they always tried to re-enforce was that a thief will not spend any amount
of time at a house that they can not easily access and they would almost always
keep walking if they knew it was alarmed.
Just keep in mind the whole goal is deterrence because nothing will keep someone
from breaking in if they want to. You just need to make it a less attractive
target. We have a lot of theft around my in-laws ranch but no one has ever
attempted to break into my workshop. The primary reason is I made sure everyone
around knows there is an alarm system on it that emails and pages a half
a dozen people. I then made sure that a few of the employees saw it in action.
I may look like a dork when my aircraft flashes it's position lights when the alarm
arms but I will sleep well knowing it will most likely be in the exact same
condition the next morning, especially if some of you with no locks park near
by. ;-)
My $0.02 on the matter.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Gust lock =3D seat belt wrapped over the stick.
I'm on the fence regarding the door lock issue. Of course,
I'd love to have a door lock. But, Van's didn't make one, and
it gave me a chuckle to read the email that suggested that
they'd listen to our input and decide to offer them. Perhaps
they would, but they'd be an add on cost item, for sure.
I myself still think a good idea is to use their door
latch warning system as a combination door latch warning
and alarm system. People don't look too hard at
a car with beeping horn and blinking lights, but I bet
it would gain some quick attention on the ramp....and it would
prevent someone from doing extreme damage to your plane by
trying to pry open your locked doors.
That's only worth .01 cent, so I won't even give my .02. ;)
Tim
Eric Panning wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>
> I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade
> for the reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as
> to have a hanger initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
>
>
> Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the
> insurance company would take issue with this approach
> when filing a claim. Also, what if they run off with
> the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
> I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
> security that the plane was unlocked....
>
> While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust
> lock for the stick?
>
> Eric
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> --- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>><jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>>I've seen it discussed here before... but consider
>>the damage that
>>someone will do to your locked door to get at to
>>your $35,000 panel.
>>It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
>>damage to your plane
>>by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured
>>cover (so they can't
>>tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better
>>approach.
>>
>>Jeff Carpenter
>>40304
>>Top Skinning the Wings
>>
>>
>>On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
>>><dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
>>
>>profile like the
>>
>>>RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
>>
>>latches? It's not
>>
>>>a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
>>
>>short joy ride
>>
>>>every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
>>
>>to jury rig a
>>
>>>lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
>>
>>something that looks
>>
>>>good but may or may not work as specified, a
>>
>>little pressure on
>>
>>>Vans from the builders would encourage them to
>>
>>design and build a
>>
>>>locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
>>
>>option. They
>>
>>>seem to have the resources to get something like
>>
>>that made up
>>
>>>pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
>>
>>is important to
>>
>>>their customers. Also, in general their prices are
>>
>>usually pretty
>>
>>>reasonable. Just a suggestion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D6231#6231
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I would like to have a keyed door, thank you. It's a very odd thing to have
a $100,000 plus item with $35,000 plus worth of very saleable gear inside
(and these radios do get stolen) that can be flown away (these planes do get
stolen) and not at least give the builder an option to lock it when you are
parked out on the ramp. Insurance again? No IFR? No locks? I also will
have a throttle lock. The only hanger I can really count on is my own.
As for gust prevention, a seat belt is always usable, and I'm not against
using one, but I'm liking the idea of the items that were used out on the
flying surfaces and pictured a few posts ago. Got to find out more.
Finally, this RV-10 builders site is awfully quiet. This must be one very
simple plane to put together. Funny how good instructions and CNC matched
holed technology can make builders more productive. I think after the -10
is together I'll just have to go build a -3.
John Jessen
~ 328 (putting together my web site and bouncing back and forth from
elevators to tailcone)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bukolt
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
So if we renamed seatbelts simply "retention devices" they would become
appropriate and tasteful tools for use as gust locks?
I figured there was some integrity or safety issue. Perhaps I'm too
pragmatic. Also I thought of another important reason Seatbelts make good
locks. Weight. Why carry an extra ounce around with you if there is no need?
Not trying to be argumentative, just learning.
sb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
I guess it's a matter of taste. Something like using tools only for the
jobs they were intended. You can use a screwdriver as a crowbar, too, if
you want . . .
Then there's the aesthetics . . .
TDT
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bukolt
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
I'm a rookie, so please excuse the ignorant question:
What is wrong with using seatbelt as a gust lock? From my novice perspective
it seems ideal:
1. Pretty fool proof if you use the left seatbelt. You can't sit in the left
seat with the "gust lock" in place, eliminating the potential for error.
2. Seatbelts are handy and not in use for other purposes when gust locks are
needed (i.e. when the plane is not in use).
3. They work just as well as something you must build or pay additionally
for.
Please help me understand how this is inappropriate.
Scott
Scott Bukolt
RV-10 #40541 (Empenage kit arrived 1/23/06) -----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
Request to you entrepeneurs with your own machine shop (or maybe it already
exists):
Someone please create a nice-looking, easy-working gust lock for the RV-10
and I'll be the first to order. I'm always appalled to see a $400,000
Saratoga with a seatbelt wrapped around the yoke . . .
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Panning
Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
<ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade for the reasons Steve
stated. I may not be so lucky as to have a hanger initially + I plan on
traveling, etc.
Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the insurance company would
take issue with this approach when filing a claim. Also, what if they run
off with the plane or worse yet fly it into a TFR or ADIZ, etc?
I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland security that the plane was
unlocked....
While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust lock for the stick?
Eric
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> I've seen it discussed here before... but consider the damage that
> someone will do to your locked door to get at to your $35,000 panel.
> It's arguably better to minimize the collateral damage to your plane
> by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured cover (so they can't
> tell what's in the plane to start with) is a better approach.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> Top Skinning the Wings
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
> > <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
> profile like the
> > RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
> latches? It's not
> > a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
> short joy ride
> > every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
> to jury rig a
> > lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
> something that looks
> > good but may or may not work as specified, a
> little pressure on
> > Vans from the builders would encourage them to
> design and build a
> > locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
> option. They
> > seem to have the resources to get something like
> that made up
> > pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
> is important to
> > their customers. Also, in general their prices are
> usually pretty
> > reasonable. Just a suggestion.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6231#6231
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve <sfdarton@yahoo.com>
Has any one used this type of product when building
the fuel tanks? It is a product that wipes off the
excess Pro seal.
http://www.bergdahl.com/Wipes.htm
Does any one have a recommendation for or against
using a pneumatic sealant gun when building the tanks?
Steve 40212
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
The Semkits allow quick automated mixing without any mess but cost more
than purchasing product in two parts and mixing manually. Nothing can
make it quicker, better flow control and less messy than a pneumatic
sealant gun. The 6 oz canister is the most popular size.
I will patiently wait for anyone with an argument to use a baggy.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darton Steve
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pro Seal Wipes
--> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve <sfdarton@yahoo.com>
Has any one used this type of product when building
the fuel tanks? It is a product that wipes off the
excess Pro seal.
http://www.bergdahl.com/Wipes.htm
Does any one have a recommendation for or against
using a pneumatic sealant gun when building the tanks?
Steve 40212
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| Subject: | Tailcone construction question |
To add to this, after working on the kit for a while I went to plain old
three ring binders and folded each sheet in half. Have 5 to 10 sections in
each binder. I leave the page I am working on folded out and since I work
on more than one section at a time it works as a book mark. I would
recommend that you get a box of paper A** H**** (reinforcement rings), in
more than occasion I have ripped pages out of the binders and for that
matter the binder Vans provided.
Rene' Felker
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tailcone construction question
Section 1-5 come with the easy button from Staples, you mean you did not get
this already? It is a must have to finish the plane, I got one for Christmas
and you would be amazed at how quickly the build goes every time I push the
button!
Actually sec 1-5 is the construction techniques, and is on 8.5 x 11 paper,
and should have other papers with it, like an RMA form and such. I got a
binder from Wally World to put papers in, and also ordered an 11x18 hard
cover 3 ring binder, because the one Vans sends covers the inside of each
page, and they are easier to see in the big binder, plus you can remove just
the pages you are working on.
Dan
40269
Wings
hopefully soon to be fuselage, this easy button works so well!
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roman Bukolt
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone construction question
Trivia Question
I just opened my Emp. kit No.40541 last night. In the manual. they start
with "Section 6". What happened to 1 thru 5? Am I missing something or are
doing the George Lucas thing like episode 4 of Star Wars before 1, 2, and3?
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Pro Seal Wipes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
+1 on having a Semco sealant gun. I went to aircraft spruce and
purchased tubes and nozzles. That way I could buy the quart kit, mix it
up myself and place in the Semco for easy application. You can usually
find a good used Semco on Ebay.
-Sean #40303
http://rv10.stephensville.com
John W. Cox wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> The Semkits allow quick automated mixing without any mess but cost more
> than purchasing product in two parts and mixing manually. Nothing can
> make it quicker, better flow control and less messy than a pneumatic
> sealant gun. The 6 oz canister is the most popular size.
>
> I will patiently wait for anyone with an argument to use a baggy.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darton Steve
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:43 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pro Seal Wipes
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve <sfdarton@yahoo.com>
>
> Has any one used this type of product when building
> the fuel tanks? It is a product that wipes off the
> excess Pro seal.
> http://www.bergdahl.com/Wipes.htm
>
> Does any one have a recommendation for or against
> using a pneumatic sealant gun when building the tanks?
>
> Steve 40212
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There's a lot of noise on the list about door locks, sorry for posting
one extra.
I designed a door handle with a little lock cylinder built in for my own
use, it simply replaces the original door handle, the base plate uses
the standard screws (and hide them) that hold the inside locking
mechanism so it's completely interchangeable with the standard handle,
just a screwdriver and a hex wrench will do the job. I did not intent to
make it absolute burglar proof because it's an easy job to demolish the
door with a crowbar, large screwdriver etc. it just prevents people
without heavy tools walking in and out, it makes it a bit more difficult
to get in, just like it is by cars.
It's CNC machined from billet and nicely anodised, I will post picture
when it is mounted in a week or two.
Henkjan van der Zouw
ZME v.o.f.
Rijksstraatweg 28
3545NA
Utrecht
Netherlands
tel. ..31 30 6665443
mob. ..31 653235372
fax. ..31 30 6664659
www.zme.nl
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sean, I not/ced that your waiting on some bucking help for your outboard
wing sections. If you haven't already arranged for it, give me a call
and I'll pop down,
Deems
623 218 6442
/
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
> +1 on having a Semco sealant gun. I went to aircraft spruce and
> purchased tubes and nozzles. That way I could buy the quart kit, mix
> it up myself and place in the Semco for easy application. You can
> usually find a good used Semco on Ebay.
>
> -Sean #40303
> http://rv10.stephensville.com
>
> John W. Cox wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>>
>> The Semkits allow quick automated mixing without any mess but cost more
>> than purchasing product in two parts and mixing manually. Nothing can
>> make it quicker, better flow control and less messy than a pneumatic
>> sealant gun. The 6 oz canister is the most popular size.
>>
>> I will patiently wait for anyone with an argument to use a baggy.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darton Steve
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:43 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pro Seal Wipes
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve <sfdarton@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Has any one used this type of product when building
>> the fuel tanks? It is a product that wipes off the
>> excess Pro seal.
>> http://www.bergdahl.com/Wipes.htm
>> Does any one have a recommendation for or against
>> using a pneumatic sealant gun when building the tanks?
>>
>> Steve 40212
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Interestingly enough, I just received a catalog from The Yard Store and they are
selling brand new and used knock-offs of the Semco guns for between $40 and
$90.
<http://www.yardstore.com/index.cfm?Action=3DViewCategory&Category=3D150>
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pro Seal Wipes
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
+1 on having a Semco sealant gun. I went to aircraft spruce and
purchased tubes and nozzles. That way I could buy the quart kit, mix it up myself
and place in the Semco for easy application. You can usually find a good
used Semco on Ebay.
-Sean #40303
http://rv10.stephensville.com
John W. Cox wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox"
> --> <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> The Semkits allow quick automated mixing without any mess but cost
> more than purchasing product in two parts and mixing manually.
> Nothing can make it quicker, better flow control and less messy than a
> pneumatic sealant gun. The 6 oz canister is the most popular size.
>
> I will patiently wait for anyone with an argument to use a baggy.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darton
> Steve
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:43 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pro Seal Wipes
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve <sfdarton@yahoo.com>
>
> Has any one used this type of product when building the fuel tanks? It
> is a product that wipes off the excess Pro seal.
> http://www.bergdahl.com/Wipes.htm
>
> Does any one have a recommendation for or against using a pneumatic
> sealant gun when building the tanks?
>
> Steve 40212
>
> __________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You've got me thinking..... Maybe I should just buy a pit-bull,
doberman, or maybe even a monitor lizard.
PS: I like the idea of those flashing position lights when you
arm the alarm. One other additional thing that might be nice is
a little surface mount LED mounted on/by the door that has
a decal with the label "Alarm Armed". Just that alone would
be a deterrent to many. When I owned a business in a mall,
during a rash of breakins, we put in a simple door open alarm on
the back door, and a little green LED that said ARMED next to
it. Both neighbors got hit, but we didn't.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> This is an area a gave a very small amount of thought to so far.
> Reason being because there is no way I'm going to leave a 50k panel
> with an unlocked door. I am more than happy to replace a broken
> window or even an entire door if it might give an extra few minutes
> of work to a potential thief. Thieves don't want to spend anytime in
> the open and will just walk away from a challenge 95% of the time.
> But if they can simply walk up to an aircraft and climb in, shutting
> the door behind them, they will almost certainly pick that aircraft
> as a target.
>
> So I will use some method to restrict access to my -10 one way or
> another. In addition I am planning on integrating the door warning
> system with a run of the mill auto alarm. I'm sure some people are
> giggling but for less than the price of topping one of the tanks I
> can put in a loud alarm that will most certainly deter someone from
> targeting it. Remember, deterrence is the best answer in almost all
> occasions. An easy target has a much, much higher probability of
> being stolen. There used to be a show on Discovery, don't recall the
> name, in which a pair of reformed thieves would go around to peoples
> homes and show them just how quickly they could steal them blind. In
> the show the one thing they always tried to re-enforce was that a
> thief will not spend any amount of time at a house that they can not
> easily access and they would almost always keep walking if they knew
> it was alarmed.
>
> Just keep in mind the whole goal is deterrence because nothing will
> keep someone from breaking in if they want to. You just need to make
> it a less attractive target. We have a lot of theft around my
> in-laws ranch but no one has ever attempted to break into my
> workshop. The primary reason is I made sure everyone around knows
> there is an alarm system on it that emails and pages a half a dozen
> people. I then made sure that a few of the employees saw it in
> action.
>
> I may look like a dork when my aircraft flashes it's position lights
> when the alarm arms but I will sleep well knowing it will most likely
> be in the exact same condition the next morning, especially if some
> of you with no locks park near by. ;-)
>
> My $0.02 on the matter.
>
>
> Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
> Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 9:54 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re:
> RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
>
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>
> Gust lock = seat belt wrapped over the stick.
>
> I'm on the fence regarding the door lock issue. Of course, I'd love
> to have a door lock. But, Van's didn't make one, and it gave me a
> chuckle to read the email that suggested that they'd listen to our
> input and decide to offer them. Perhaps they would, but they'd be an
> add on cost item, for sure. I myself still think a good idea is to
> use their door latch warning system as a combination door latch
> warning and alarm system. People don't look too hard at a car with
> beeping horn and blinking lights, but I bet it would gain some quick
> attention on the ramp....and it would prevent someone from doing
> extreme damage to your plane by trying to pry open your locked doors.
>
>
> That's only worth .01 cent, so I won't even give my .02. ;) Tim
>
> Eric Panning wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
>> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>>
>> I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade for the
>> reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as to have a hanger
>> initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
>>
>>
>> Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the insurance
>> company would take issue with this approach when filing a claim.
>> Also, what if they run off with the plane or worse yet fly it into
>> a TFR or ADIZ, etc? I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
>> security that the plane was unlocked....
>>
>> While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust lock for the
>> stick?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>>
>>> I've seen it discussed here before... but consider the damage
>>> that someone will do to your locked door to get at to your
>>> $35,000 panel. It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
>>> damage to your plane by not locking the door. Perhaps a well
>>> secured cover (so they can't tell what's in the plane to start
>>> with) is a better approach.
>>>
>>> Jeff Carpenter 40304 Top Skinning the Wings
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
>>>> <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
>>>
>>> profile like the
>>>
>>>
>>>> RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
>>>
>>> latches? It's not
>>>
>>>
>>>> a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
>>>
>>> short joy ride
>>>
>>>
>>>> every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
>>>
>>> to jury rig a
>>>
>>>
>>>> lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
>>>
>>> something that looks
>>>
>>>
>>>> good but may or may not work as specified, a
>>>
>>> little pressure on
>>>
>>>
>>>> Vans from the builders would encourage them to
>>>
>>> design and build a
>>>
>>>
>>>> locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
>>>
>>> option. They
>>>
>>>
>>>> seem to have the resources to get something like
>>>
>>> that made up
>>>
>>>
>>>> pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
>>>
>>> is important to
>>>
>>>
>>>> their customers. Also, in general their prices are
>>>
>>> usually pretty
>>>
>>>
>>>> reasonable. Just a suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6231#6231
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
It would be cute to trigger the strobes if someone trips the alarm . . .
TDT
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You've got me thinking..... Maybe I should just buy a pit-bull,
doberman, or maybe even a monitor lizard.
PS: I like the idea of those flashing position lights when you
arm the alarm. One other additional thing that might be nice is
a little surface mount LED mounted on/by the door that has
a decal with the label "Alarm Armed". Just that alone would
be a deterrent to many. When I owned a business in a mall,
during a rash of breakins, we put in a simple door open alarm on
the back door, and a little green LED that said ARMED next to
it. Both neighbors got hit, but we didn't.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> This is an area a gave a very small amount of thought to so far.
> Reason being because there is no way I'm going to leave a 50k panel
> with an unlocked door. I am more than happy to replace a broken
> window or even an entire door if it might give an extra few minutes
> of work to a potential thief. Thieves don't want to spend anytime in
> the open and will just walk away from a challenge 95% of the time.
> But if they can simply walk up to an aircraft and climb in, shutting
> the door behind them, they will almost certainly pick that aircraft
> as a target.
>
> So I will use some method to restrict access to my -10 one way or
> another. In addition I am planning on integrating the door warning
> system with a run of the mill auto alarm. I'm sure some people are
> giggling but for less than the price of topping one of the tanks I
> can put in a loud alarm that will most certainly deter someone from
> targeting it. Remember, deterrence is the best answer in almost all
> occasions. An easy target has a much, much higher probability of
> being stolen. There used to be a show on Discovery, don't recall the
> name, in which a pair of reformed thieves would go around to peoples
> homes and show them just how quickly they could steal them blind. In
> the show the one thing they always tried to re-enforce was that a
> thief will not spend any amount of time at a house that they can not
> easily access and they would almost always keep walking if they knew
> it was alarmed.
>
> Just keep in mind the whole goal is deterrence because nothing will
> keep someone from breaking in if they want to. You just need to make
> it a less attractive target. We have a lot of theft around my
> in-laws ranch but no one has ever attempted to break into my
> workshop. The primary reason is I made sure everyone around knows
> there is an alarm system on it that emails and pages a half a dozen
> people. I then made sure that a few of the employees saw it in
> action.
>
> I may look like a dork when my aircraft flashes it's position lights
> when the alarm arms but I will sleep well knowing it will most likely
> be in the exact same condition the next morning, especially if some
> of you with no locks park near by. ;-)
>
> My $0.02 on the matter.
>
>
> Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
> Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 9:54 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re:
> RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
>
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>
> Gust lock = seat belt wrapped over the stick.
>
> I'm on the fence regarding the door lock issue. Of course, I'd love
> to have a door lock. But, Van's didn't make one, and it gave me a
> chuckle to read the email that suggested that they'd listen to our
> input and decide to offer them. Perhaps they would, but they'd be an
> add on cost item, for sure. I myself still think a good idea is to
> use their door latch warning system as a combination door latch
> warning and alarm system. People don't look too hard at a car with
> beeping horn and blinking lights, but I bet it would gain some quick
> attention on the ramp....and it would prevent someone from doing
> extreme damage to your plane by trying to pry open your locked doors.
>
>
> That's only worth .01 cent, so I won't even give my .02. ;) Tim
>
> Eric Panning wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
>> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>>
>> I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade for the
>> reasons Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as to have a hanger
>> initially + I plan on traveling, etc.
>>
>>
>> Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the insurance
>> company would take issue with this approach when filing a claim.
>> Also, what if they run off with the plane or worse yet fly it into
>> a TFR or ADIZ, etc? I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
>> security that the plane was unlocked....
>>
>> While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust lock for the
>> stick?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>>
>>> I've seen it discussed here before... but consider the damage
>>> that someone will do to your locked door to get at to your
>>> $35,000 panel. It's arguably better to minimize the collateral
>>> damage to your plane by not locking the door. Perhaps a well
>>> secured cover (so they can't tell what's in the plane to start
>>> with) is a better approach.
>>>
>>> Jeff Carpenter 40304 Top Skinning the Wings
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
>>>> <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
>>>
>>> profile like the
>>>
>>>
>>>> RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
>>>
>>> latches? It's not
>>>
>>>
>>>> a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
>>>
>>> short joy ride
>>>
>>>
>>>> every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
>>>
>>> to jury rig a
>>>
>>>
>>>> lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
>>>
>>> something that looks
>>>
>>>
>>>> good but may or may not work as specified, a
>>>
>>> little pressure on
>>>
>>>
>>>> Vans from the builders would encourage them to
>>>
>>> design and build a
>>>
>>>
>>>> locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
>>>
>>> option. They
>>>
>>>
>>>> seem to have the resources to get something like
>>>
>>> that made up
>>>
>>>
>>>> pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
>>>
>>> is important to
>>>
>>>
>>>> their customers. Also, in general their prices are
>>>
>>> usually pretty
>>>
>>>
>>>> reasonable. Just a suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6231#6231
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> browse Subscriptions page, FAQ,
>>>
>>> Admin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I like the LED idea! Simple. Cool looking if in cobalt blue.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You've got me thinking..... Maybe I should just buy a pit-bull, doberman,
or maybe even a monitor lizard.
PS: I like the idea of those flashing position lights when you
arm the alarm. One other additional thing that might be nice is
a little surface mount LED mounted on/by the door that has a decal with the
label "Alarm Armed". Just that alone would be a deterrent to many. When I
owned a business in a mall, during a rash of breakins, we put in a simple
door open alarm on the back door, and a little green LED that said ARMED
next to it. Both neighbors got hit, but we didn't.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> This is an area a gave a very small amount of thought to so far.
> Reason being because there is no way I'm going to leave a 50k panel
> with an unlocked door. I am more than happy to replace a broken
> window or even an entire door if it might give an extra few minutes of
> work to a potential thief. Thieves don't want to spend anytime in the
> open and will just walk away from a challenge 95% of the time.
> But if they can simply walk up to an aircraft and climb in, shutting
> the door behind them, they will almost certainly pick that aircraft as
> a target.
>
> So I will use some method to restrict access to my -10 one way or
> another. In addition I am planning on integrating the door warning
> system with a run of the mill auto alarm. I'm sure some people are
> giggling but for less than the price of topping one of the tanks I can
> put in a loud alarm that will most certainly deter someone from
> targeting it. Remember, deterrence is the best answer in almost all
> occasions. An easy target has a much, much higher probability of
> being stolen. There used to be a show on Discovery, don't recall the
> name, in which a pair of reformed thieves would go around to peoples
> homes and show them just how quickly they could steal them blind. In
> the show the one thing they always tried to re-enforce was that a
> thief will not spend any amount of time at a house that they can not
> easily access and they would almost always keep walking if they knew
> it was alarmed.
>
> Just keep in mind the whole goal is deterrence because nothing will
> keep someone from breaking in if they want to. You just need to make
> it a less attractive target. We have a lot of theft around my in-laws
> ranch but no one has ever attempted to break into my workshop. The
> primary reason is I made sure everyone around knows there is an alarm
> system on it that emails and pages a half a dozen people. I then made
> sure that a few of the employees saw it in action.
>
> I may look like a dork when my aircraft flashes it's position lights
> when the alarm arms but I will sleep well knowing it will most likely
> be in the exact same condition the next morning, especially if some of
> you with no locks park near by. ;-)
>
> My $0.02 on the matter.
>
>
> Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
> Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 9:54 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re:
> RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
>
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>
> Gust lock = seat belt wrapped over the stick.
>
> I'm on the fence regarding the door lock issue. Of course, I'd love
> to have a door lock. But, Van's didn't make one, and it gave me a
> chuckle to read the email that suggested that they'd listen to our
> input and decide to offer them. Perhaps they would, but they'd be an
> add on cost item, for sure. I myself still think a good idea is to use
> their door latch warning system as a combination door latch warning
> and alarm system. People don't look too hard at a car with beeping
> horn and blinking lights, but I bet it would gain some quick attention
> on the ramp....and it would prevent someone from doing extreme damage
> to your plane by trying to pry open your locked doors.
>
>
> That's only worth .01 cent, so I won't even give my .02. ;) Tim
>
> Eric Panning wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
>> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>>
>> I think Van's should provide it as an option/upgrade for the reasons
>> Steve stated. I may not be so lucky as to have a hanger initially + I
>> plan on traveling, etc.
>>
>>
>> Not locking the plane is a bad solution. I think the insurance
>> company would take issue with this approach when filing a claim.
>> Also, what if they run off with the plane or worse yet fly it into a
>> TFR or ADIZ, etc? I wouldn't want to have to explain to homeland
>> security that the plane was unlocked....
>>
>> While Van's are at it, perhaps they can work on a gust lock for the
>> stick?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>>
>>> I've seen it discussed here before... but consider the damage that
>>> someone will do to your locked door to get at to your $35,000 panel.
>>> It's arguably better to minimize the collateral damage to your plane
>>> by not locking the door. Perhaps a well secured cover (so they
>>> can't tell what's in the plane to start
>>> with) is a better approach.
>>>
>>> Jeff Carpenter 40304 Top Skinning the Wings
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, steveadams wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams"
>>>> <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>> Isn't it common sense that a plane with a mission
>>>
>>> profile like the
>>>
>>>
>>>> RV-10 should have been designed with locking door
>>>
>>> latches? It's not
>>>
>>>
>>>> a hanger queen designed to get pulled out for a
>>>
>>> short joy ride
>>>
>>>
>>>> every Sunday afternoon. Maybe instead of trying
>>>
>>> to jury rig a
>>>
>>>
>>>> lock, or debating sending $700 overseas for
>>>
>>> something that looks
>>>
>>>
>>>> good but may or may not work as specified, a
>>>
>>> little pressure on
>>>
>>>
>>>> Vans from the builders would encourage them to
>>>
>>> design and build a
>>>
>>>
>>>> locking latch that could at least be ordered as an
>>>
>>> option. They
>>>
>>>
>>>> seem to have the resources to get something like
>>>
>>> that made up
>>>
>>>
>>>> pretty quickly if they get the impression that it
>>>
>>> is important to
>>>
>>>
>>>> their customers. Also, in general their prices are
>>>
>>> usually pretty
>>>
>>>
>>>> reasonable. Just a suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6231#6231
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Just thought I'd trim posts of verbiage & Do Not Archive.
I mean we were working on page FOUR of a single thread.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. "We are all going to die"
Not me I'm taking the Rocket (N561FS HRII) to the moon, no one has ever died
on the moon so it must be a safe place...right ? ? 8*) KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bukolt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Dawson-Townsend
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:59 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Panning
> Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:32 PM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
> --- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
> > <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Want/need to steal a car ? ? Walk thru "Wal-Mart" parking lot & look for
the unlocked car with the keys in it. Lock the door, windows up, red
flashing on something and the opportunistic joyriding car thief was keep
walking & looking. It's too easy to find one with the keys in it. Do Not
Archive KABONG (ex-Det. Sgt Fontana PD)
---- Original Message -----
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
Thieves don't want to spend anytime in the open and will just walk away
from a challenge 95% of the time.
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
This thread is fine for me. I have no clue what you're talking about.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Just thought I'd trim posts of verbiage & Do Not Archive.
I mean we were working on page FOUR of a single thread.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. "We are all going to die"
Not me I'm taking the Rocket (N561FS HRII) to the moon, no one has ever died
on the moon so it must be a safe place...right ? ? 8*) KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Bukolt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Dawson-Townsend
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:59 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Panning
> Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:32 PM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
> --- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
> > <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
In a message dated 1/23/2006, Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
People don't look too hard at a car with beeping horn and blinking lights,
but I bet
it would gain some quick attention on the ramp....and it would prevent
someone from doing extreme damage to your plane by trying to pry open your locked
doors.
Makes me think... i always wanted a horn in my plane!
As for prying doors open, prior to 9/11, the local flight school NEVER
locked their planes so the plane would not get damaged from a thief and a crow
bar. I think they have to lock them now. The worst they would have to do was
buy a new radio, far simpler then an airframe repair and a 337 report. .
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: The ultimate door latch |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
You mean, no one has ever died on the moon - THAT WE KNOW ABOUT! : )
TDT
do not archive, please
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN STARN
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
Just thought I'd trim posts of verbiage & Do Not Archive.
I mean we were working on page FOUR of a single thread.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. "We are all going to die"
Not me I'm taking the Rocket (N561FS HRII) to the moon, no one has ever
died
on the moon so it must be a safe place...right ? ? 8*) KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Bukolt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Bukolt" <sbukolt@dstewart.com>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Dawson-Townsend
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:59 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The ultimate door latch
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Eric Panning
> Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:32 PM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
> --- Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com> wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter
>> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
> > <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
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Thanks, I'm looking forward to it!
Bob
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Henkjan van
der Zouw
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Doorlock
There's a lot of noise on the list about door locks, sorry for posting
one extra.
I designed a door handle with a little lock cylinder built in for my own
use, it simply replaces the original door handle, the base plate uses
the standard screws (and hide them) that hold the inside locking
mechanism so it's completely interchangeable with the standard handle,
just a screwdriver and a hex wrench will do the job. I did not intent to
make it absolute burglar proof because it's an easy job to demolish the
door with a crowbar, large screwdriver etc. it just prevents people
without heavy tools walking in and out, it makes it a bit more difficult
to get in, just like it is by cars.
It's CNC machined from billet and nicely anodised, I will post picture
when it is mounted in a week or two.
Henkjan van der Zouw
ZME v.o.f.
Rijksstraatweg 28
3545NA
Utrecht
Netherlands
tel. ..31 30 6665443
mob. ..31 653235372
fax. ..31 30 6664659
www.zme.nl
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| Subject: | fuelproof bushings? |
Hey all -
Here's a really stupid question... the bushings used inside the fuel
tanks to hold the aluminum vent tubing are fuel proof right? I only ask
because they don't spend their life immersed in the fuel, they just get
a splashing from time to time. I need to support my capacitive fuel
sender probe thingy (that's the technical term) through a rib, and need
something non-conductive and fuel proof to do it. can I use the same
plastic bushings that are used for the vent knowing that they will spend
most of their life immersed in fuel? Does that make a difference in
their life span, or durability? It shouldn't right?
cj
#40410
wings
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | Riveting the elevator trim cable anchor brackets |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
I have finally come to the location in the plans where it calls for riveting
the cable anchor brackets. I was surprised that the manual calls for blind
rivets (LP4-3). There was so much talk about making special super strong
cable attachment brackets that I question when looking at this rivet
designation, whether the brackets really need to be that strong and if they
were made too strong, whether that might cause a problem some place else.
Those that orderred the custom bracket, are you using solid rivets instead
of the blind ones. Why are the Van's designers wanting blind rivet when
access is completely un-peaded?
Just an interesting question????
John G. 409
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| Subject: | Re: Pro Seal Wipes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
Lacquer Thinner will do a nice job of wiping as long as it has not
fully cured.
Do not archive
rob kermanj
rv10es@earthlink.net
On Jan 24, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Darton Steve wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve <sfdarton@yahoo.com>
>
> Has any one used this type of product when building
> the fuel tanks? It is a product that wipes off the
> excess Pro seal.
> http://www.bergdahl.com/Wipes.htm
>
> Does any one have a recommendation for or against
> using a pneumatic sealant gun when building the tanks?
>
> Steve 40212
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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I would like to see what you have.
Do Not Archive
rob kermanj
rv10es@earthlink.net
On Jan 24, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Henkjan van der Zouw wrote:
> There=92s a lot of noise on the list about door locks, sorry for
> posting one extra.
>
>
> I designed a door handle with a little lock cylinder built in for
> my own use, it simply replaces the original door handle, the base
> plate uses the standard screws (and hide them) that hold the inside
> locking mechanism so it=92s completely interchangeable with the
> standard handle, just a screwdriver and a hex wrench will do the
> job. I did not intent to make it absolute burglar proof because
> it=92s an easy job to demolish the door with a crowbar, large
> screwdriver etc. it just prevents people without heavy tools
> walking in and out, it makes it a bit more difficult to get in,
> just like it is by cars.
>
> It=92s CNC machined from billet and nicely anodised, I will post
> picture when it is mounted in a week or two.
>
>
> Henkjan van der Zouw
>
> ZME v.o.f.
>
> Rijksstraatweg 28
>
> 3545NA
>
> Utrecht
>
> Netherlands
>
> tel. ..31 30 6665443
>
> mob. ..31 653235372
>
> fax. ..31 30 6664659
>
> www.zme.nl
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting the elevator trim cable anchor brackets |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I believe that the call out for blind rivets is because it's difficult
to impossible to get the cable connected/disconnected without removing
the brackets from the inspection plate. someone felt that it would be
easier to use pop rivets tht could be more easily replaced during an
annual inspection than solid rivets. The most optimum solution would be
an arrangement where An screws could be used and the bracket could be
threaded or alternativly some nut plates attached. once I receive the
CNC bracket, I plan to see if it could be, a; tapped for a #6 or 8
screw. or b. Hard mounted to a broader/wider plate using flush head
rivets, and then putting nutplates on the broader plates, then dimpling
the covers for screws.
Deems Davis # 406
Wings
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Gonzalez wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> I have finally come to the location in the plans where it calls for
> riveting the cable anchor brackets. I was surprised that the manual
> calls for blind rivets (LP4-3). There was so much talk about making
> special super strong cable attachment brackets that I question when
> looking at this rivet designation, whether the brackets really need to
> be that strong and if they were made too strong, whether that might
> cause a problem some place else.
>
> Those that orderred the custom bracket, are you using solid rivets
> instead of the blind ones. Why are the Van's designers wanting blind
> rivet when access is completely un-peaded?
>
> Just an interesting question????
>
> John G. 409
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
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