---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/26/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:55 AM - Re: Bending the Tailcone Longerons (Rick) 2. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Bending the Tailcone Longerons (Rick) 3. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: Bending the Tailcone Longerons (Gary Specketer) 4. 10:14 AM - Nylon Snap Bushings (Chris Johnston) 5. 10:28 AM - Re: Nylon Snap Bushings (Noel & Yoshie Simmons) 6. 10:34 AM - Re: Nylon Snap Bushings (Rick) 7. 10:34 AM - Re: Nylon Snap Bushings (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 8. 11:16 AM - Re: Nylon Snap Bushings (Chris Johnston) 9. 12:40 PM - Re: ECI Angle Oil Filter Adaptor Kit (Doerr, Ray R [NTK]) 10. 01:35 PM - Re: Bending the Tailcone Longerons (McGANN, Ron) 11. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: Bending the Tailcone Longerons (JOHN STARN) 12. 03:46 PM - Aileron Hinge Brackets (Sean Stephens) 13. 04:03 PM - pneumatic sealant gun (Jay Brinkmeyer) 14. 05:14 PM - Re: Aileron Hinge Brackets (Bobby J. Hughes) 15. 09:32 PM - Firewall insulation (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 16. 09:33 PM - 3 blade props (John W. Cox) 17. 09:47 PM - Re: 3 blade props (LessDragProd@aol.com) 18. 10:10 PM - Flying RV-10s (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 19. 10:38 PM - Ducting (Tim Dawson-Townsend) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:59 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bending the Tailcone Longerons --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick No kidding, I just finished doing them last night...not only are they long but pay real attention to start and end marking before smacking away...I marked them and came back the next day to bend, the longeron gets rotated from the marked position on the plans and then set in the vise with what appears to be the foward end facing what "feels" like the rear. Just watch your bed orientation especially with the 1048 upper longerons where the flange points up but the 1013 points down. Just need to keep you head in the game, watch for the drilling pattern as well. Rick S. 40185 Fuselage ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:28 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: Re: RV10-List: Bending the Tailcone Longerons --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Measurments in "32nd's" seem strange when the next step is to load the angle then hit with a mallet but the parts fit perfectly when your done and have followed the steps exactly....just a strange mix of precision measuring combined with brute force. Rick S. 40185 Fuselage ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:00 AM PST US From: "Gary Specketer" Subject: RE: Re: RV10-List: Bending the Tailcone Longerons --> RV10-List message posted by: "Gary Specketer" Kind of like football. Put the ball down and then measure to the fraction of an inch. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:58 AM Subject: Re: Re: RV10-List: Bending the Tailcone Longerons --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Measurments in "32nd's" seem strange when the next step is to load the angle then hit with a mallet but the parts fit perfectly when your done and have followed the steps exactly....just a strange mix of precision measuring combined with brute force. Rick S. 40185 Fuselage ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:25 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Nylon Snap Bushings From: "Chris Johnston" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" Hey all - Didn't get a reply from anyone last time I asked, so I'll try again. Are the nylon bushings (ie: SB437-4) safe to be used in an application that has them submersed in fuel constantly? Will they react at all? Break down? Thanks cj #40410 wings www.perfectlygoodairplane.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:23 AM PST US From: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nylon Snap Bushings --> RV10-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" CJ If I remember correctly the Van's capacitance plates that I put in the RV-8A used the snap bushings to run the wire though the bulkheads and the wire was wrapped around the vent line. Quick call to Van's will solve this. For a belt and suspenders approach you can completely coat the bushing in proseal. Noel RV-10 flying RV-9A flying and one under construction RV-8A flying RV-7 RV-6A (X2)flying Among the good ones anyway www.blueskyaviation.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Nylon Snap Bushings --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" Hey all - Didn't get a reply from anyone last time I asked, so I'll try again. Are the nylon bushings (ie: SB437-4) safe to be used in an application that has them submersed in fuel constantly? Will they react at all? Break down? Thanks cj #40410 wings www.perfectlygoodairplane.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:08 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nylon Snap Bushings --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Chris, The bushings are made from black nylon and are safe for immersion in fuel. Risk S. 40185 Fuselage ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nylon Snap Bushings From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" It's probably a safe bet that they will be fine. However you can always drop a couple in a mason jar of 100LL and put it on the shelf for a while to be sure. If they don't melt within a day I probably wouldn't worry about it. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 12:14 PM Subject: RV10-List: Nylon Snap Bushings --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" --> Hey all - Didn't get a reply from anyone last time I asked, so I'll try again. Are the nylon bushings (ie: SB437-4) safe to be used in an application that has them submersed in fuel constantly? Will they react at all? Break down? Thanks cj #40410 wings www.perfectlygoodairplane.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:33 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nylon Snap Bushings From: "Chris Johnston" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" Thanks all! I'll be installing the Skysports capacitance fuel gauge senders in my tanks as soon as I receive them (two weeks or so). Hopefully it will be a good alternative to the capacitive senders that vans doesn't offer :) cj #40410 wings www.perfectlygoodairplane.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nylon Snap Bushings --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Chris, The bushings are made from black nylon and are safe for immersion in fuel. Risk S. 40185 Fuselage ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:29 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: ECI Angle Oil Filter Adaptor Kit From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" Mine is 1.4". Thank You Ray Doerr -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: RV10-List: ECI Angle Oil Filter Adaptor Kit --> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" Has anyone installed the ECI angle Oil Filter Adaptor Kit on their IO-540? If so, what size spacer did you use? Russ Daves ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:03 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bending the Tailcone Longerons From: "McGANN, Ron" Something else to watch out for is that the longerons (particularly the F1013R) will bend out of plane vertically quite a bit and need frequent re-adjustment. Check the longerons for straightness in the vertical plane frequently. (Ask how I know!) Ron '187 fuse -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 1:25 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bending the Tailcone Longerons --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick No kidding, I just finished doing them last night...not only are they long but pay real attention to start and end marking before smacking away...I marked them and came back the next day to bend, the longeron gets rotated from the marked position on the plans and then set in the vise with what appears to be the foward end facing what "feels" like the rear. Just watch your bed orientation especially with the 1048 upper longerons where the flange points up but the 1013 points down. Just need to keep you head in the game, watch for the drilling pattern as well. Rick S. 40185 Fuselage =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:23 PM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: Re: RV10-List: Bending the Tailcone Longerons --> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" Like the TV ad "Pay me now or pay me later". Don't put ANYTHING together under tension, bend, twist, move, beat on & let it relax until it fits. Put it together under ANY tension & you will "Pay Later". (Measure with a micrometer, mark with a crayon & cut with an ax) Just another Old "combined" saying. Do Not Archive. KABONG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Specketer" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: RE: Re: RV10-List: Bending the Tailcone Longerons > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Gary Specketer" > > Kind of like football. Put the ball down and then measure to the fraction > of an inch. > Measurments in "32nd's" seem strange when the next step is to load the > angle > then hit with a mallet but the parts fit perfectly when your done and have > followed the steps exactly....just a strange mix of precision measuring > combined with brute force. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:55 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Aileron Hinge Brackets --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Is it just me, or are the inboard aileron hinge brackets a pain in the #$@&% to attach? Maybe it's 'cause I have big fingers. :) -Sean #40303 (Aileron Actuation) do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:33 PM PST US From: Jay Brinkmeyer Subject: RV10-List: pneumatic sealant gun --> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer I bought a big box of disposable shop towels from Home Depot and then cut up a bunch into 3" squares. I use 'em for wiping up all sorts of stuff and you can dip into Lacquer thinner to remove proseal. Probably cheaper than buying premade. I bought a manual sealant gun - and thought it sucked. I built my tanks two ribs at a time using the "make up a golf ball sized hunk of tank sealant" rule. Using the gun and pre-measured tube worked okay, but the stuff got all over the tool (now you have to clean it) and the tube had too much material to use up once it was opened. Popsicle sticks were much easier to work with and the cans allow you to make up just the right amount or a little more if you're feeling up to it. Maybe I did something wrong? Jay slow build fuse! Do not archive Time: 08:43:18 AM PST US From: Darton Steve Subject: Pro Seal Wipes --> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve Has any one used this type of product when building the fuel tanks? It is a product that wipes off the excess Pro seal. http://www.bergdahl.com/Wipes.htm Does any one have a recommendation for or against using a pneumatic sealant gun when building the tanks? Steve 40212 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:01 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron Hinge Brackets From: "Bobby J. Hughes" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bobby J. Hughes" Not just you. It's been a year or so and my wings are in storage. Is this the countersunk #12 Phillips head bolt? If so I gave up after a couple of hours and installed a nutplate. Will use locktite on final assembly. Bobby Hughes 40116 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: RV10-List: Aileron Hinge Brackets --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens Is it just me, or are the inboard aileron hinge brackets a pain in the #$@&% to attach? Maybe it's 'cause I have big fingers. :) -Sean #40303 (Aileron Actuation) do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:16 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Anyone have any comment/experience with recommending firewall insulation material? Fiberfrax? Koolmat? TDT 40025 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:41 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: 3 blade props From: "John W. Cox" Of the 24+ RV-10s flying, is there anyone besides Vic and Noel with a three blade combination. It would be nice to hear some performance details before another sales pitch is posted on the list. I understood Randy had a reconditioned prop, Doug what are you running? I assume Scott and Tim are going with the new Hartzell C2YR-1BF/F8068D. Would you guys speak up and identify what you are now flying with or going to be flying with? John - KUAO ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:37 PM PST US From: LessDragProd@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: 3 blade props Mark Chamberlain just flew his RV-10 for the first time this week. He is flying with the 3 blade MT Propeller. Jim Ayers In a message dated 01/26/2006 9:34:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, johnwcox@pacificnw.com writes: Of the 24+ RV-10s flying, is there anyone besides Vic and Noel with a three blade combination. It would be nice to hear some performance details before another sales pitch is posted on the list. I understood Randy had a reconditioned prop, Doug what are you running? I assume Scott and Tim are going with the new Hartzell C2YR-1BF/F8068D. Would you guys speak up and identify what you are now flying with or going to be flying with? John - KUAO ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:33 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10s From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Hey, some of you flying RV-10s out there are being lax in posting a photo on the vansairforce forum of "Completed RV-10s" . . . TDT do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of LessDragProd@aol.com Sent: Fri 1/27/2006 12:46 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: 3 blade props Mark Chamberlain just flew his RV-10 for the first time this week. He is flying with the 3 blade MT Propeller. Jim Ayers In a message dated 01/26/2006 9:34:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, johnwcox@pacificnw.com writes: Of the 24+ RV-10s flying, is there anyone besides Vic and Noel with a three blade combination. It would be nice to hear some performance details before another sales pitch is posted on the list. I understood Randy had a reconditioned prop, Doug what are you running? I assume Scott and Tim are going with the new Hartzell C2YR-1BF/F8068D. Would you guys speak up and identify what you are now flying with or going to be flying with? John - KUAO ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:56 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Ducting From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Does ducting for cabin heat come in the FWF kit, or are we on our own to order that, too? Thanks, TDT 40025