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1. 02:22 AM - Re: Ducting (rob kermanj)
2. 02:22 AM - Re: 3 blade props (RAS)
3. 04:06 AM - Re: Firewall insulation (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 04:38 AM - Re: Firewall insulation (Tim Olson)
5. 04:40 AM - Re: Ducting (Tim Olson)
6. 05:16 AM - Re: 3 blade props (john)
7. 07:35 AM - FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
8. 08:08 AM - FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
9. 08:33 AM - Bending the tailcone longerons (Bill and Tami Britton)
10. 08:45 AM - FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
11. 09:10 AM - Re: 3 blade props (John W. Cox)
12. 09:16 AM - Re: Bending the tailcone longerons (RAS)
13. 09:56 AM - Re: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? (2eyedocs)
14. 09:57 AM - Re: Bending the tailcone longerons ()
15. 10:06 AM - Re: 3 blade props (Chris Johnston)
16. 10:16 AM - Re: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? (linn walters)
17. 10:19 AM - Re: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? ()
18. 11:11 AM - Re: 3 blade props (Mark Ritter)
19. 11:25 AM - Re: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? (Chuck Jensen)
20. 11:36 AM - Re: 3 blade props (Bobby J. Hughes)
21. 12:09 PM - Re: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
22. 12:09 PM - Re: Alarm systems for the RV-10 (Eric Panning)
23. 12:37 PM - Re: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? (Bobby J. Hughes)
24. 01:14 PM - Re: 3 blade props (Mark Chamberlain)
25. 01:14 PM - Re: 3 blade props (Mark Chamberlain)
26. 01:18 PM - Re: 3 blade props (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
27. 01:52 PM - Re: 3 blade props (Randy DeBauw)
28. 01:57 PM - Re: 3 blade props (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
29. 02:35 PM - Re: 3 blade props (Kelly McMullen)
30. 02:40 PM - Re: 3 blade props (Kelly McMullen)
31. 02:41 PM - Re: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? (Rick)
32. 03:05 PM - Re: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? (Chuck Jensen)
33. 04:44 PM - Re: 3 blade props (Russell Daves)
34. 08:07 PM - rudder cable fairings (Robert G. Wright)
35. 08:17 PM - Re: Nylon Snap Bushings (Mike Kraus)
36. 08:20 PM - Re: 3 blade props (LessDragProd@aol.com)
37. 08:59 PM - Re: rudder cable fairings (Tim Olson)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: rob kermanj <rv10es@earthlink.net>
It comes in the finish kit.
Do not archive
rob kermanj
rv10es@earthlink.net
On Jan 27, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>
>
> Does ducting for cabin heat come in the FWF kit, or are we on our
> own to order that, too?
>
> Thanks,
>
> TDT
> 40025
> <winmail.dat>
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| Subject: | Re: 3 blade props |
10) On the negative, damage to the composite blades where a stone might breach
the edge shield can involve replacement of the entire edge because of de-bonding
and moisture being drawn behind the shield. On the positive, you can lose a
huge chunk of your MT prop and still have it repaired! You may not even need
a bulk strip of the engine. Touch a tip on a Hartzell prop and you may need to
throw the prop away and bulk strip the engine.
Lycoming say that a prop that hits long grass is reason for a Shockload Inspection.This
has become evident through their service bulletins and AD's recently
published. I take it this is what you refer to as a Bulk Strip?
The fact that a composite blade can be repaired after extensive damage is not a
sound enough reason not to inspect the engine, in fact this is a rather danferous
attitude, if not to yourself, it is to unwary people below your flightpath
and most certainly to those people who come aboard your aircraft as passengers.
Let us not forget that the material specs some of the crankshaft and associated
parts are over 30 -40 years old, and therefore do not posess the strenght of
materials of more invention. I do most certainly agree that some of the service
bulletins are somewhat overkill, but on the otherhand, look at the recall of
crankshafts being replaced free of charge by Lycoming under SB566, I don't think
in light of that particular SB the staement at the top is a safe one. I know
carrying out SB's can be expensive, but it's something that safety has no matter
what industries you're looking at.
Generally a 3-blade prop is slightly finer pitched than a two blade prop. This
makes the 3-blade perform better during groundroll and climb than the two blade
prop.
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| Subject: | Firewall insulation |
No idea how well it will work, but I'm trying a insulating paint additive from
Hy-Tech.
http://www.hytechsales.com/
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:19 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall insulation
Anyone have any comment/experience with recommending firewall insulation material?
Fiberfrax?
Koolmat?
TDT
40025
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall insulation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Abby from flightline interiors http://www.flightlineinteriors.com has
some that seems to be really nice. It's probably overall 3/8" thick,
foil on both sides, and it's kind of a fibery but rubbery stuff inside.
It cuts well, and still stays together on the edges. Good stuff.
It wasn't too awful pricey either.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> Anyone have any comment/experience with recommending firewall insulation material?
> Fiberfrax?
> Koolmat?
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I think it came with the finishing kit. The finishing kit, section 50,
is heat ducting. I also ordered an extra 10' chunk. You'll probably
want to have some on hand for maintenance, and, something tells me when
they put together the FWF kit, they only planned for the original
exhaust system. In my kit, there were a couple things missing
because it was designed for the old exhaust.
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>
> Does ducting for cabin heat come in the FWF kit, or are we on our own to order
that, too?
>
> Thanks,
>
> TDT
> 40025
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| Subject: | Re: 3 blade props |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "john" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
I'm certainly not advocating any advice on prop strikes, ground or foreign
object strike and what you should do about the engine inspection.
The list of possibilities is endless, including long grass as you point out,
puddles of standing water and a swarm of angry bees. That information is
written in the literature by the manufacturers and take your own advice from
your own engineer who knows.
I make the point that some composite blades can have large repairs, even
splice repairs to tips is possible and therefore all is not necessarily lost
with your expensive investment. Due to the tendency to shatter or grind down
easily, it's possible to have minimum loads transferred to the hub unit and
hence the crank. Not so in a Hartzell compact metal prop. The load transfers
directly to the pre-load shelf ( the shoulder on which the blade is loaded
against to eliminate blade shake) of the hub and it doesn't take much to
damage and is reason enough to scrap the hub.
Any strike is serious stuff, and demands careful and thorough analysis.
John 40315
----- Original Message -----
From: RAS
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 3 blade props
10) On the negative, damage to the composite blades where a stone might
breach the edge shield can involve replacement of the entire edge because of
de-bonding and moisture being drawn behind the shield. On the positive, you
can lose a huge chunk of your MT prop and still have it repaired! You may
not even need a bulk strip of the engine. Touch a tip on a Hartzell prop and
you may need to throw the prop away and bulk strip the engine.
Lycoming say that a prop that hits long grass is reason for a Shockload
Inspection.This has become evident through their service bulletins and AD's
recently published. I take it this is what you refer to as a Bulk Strip?
The fact that a composite blade can be repaired after extensive damage is
not a sound enough reason not to inspect the engine, in fact this is a
rather danferous attitude, if not to yourself, it is to unwary people below
your flightpath and most certainly to those people who come aboard your
aircraft as passengers.
Let us not forget that the material specs some of the crankshaft and
associated parts are over 30 -40 years old, and therefore do not posess the
strenght of materials of more invention. I do most certainly agree that some
of the service bulletins are somewhat overkill, but on the otherhand, look
at the recall of crankshafts being replaced free of charge by Lycoming under
SB566, I don't think in light of that particular SB the staement at the top
is a safe one. I know carrying out SB's can be expensive, but it's something
that safety has no matter what industries you're looking at.
Generally a 3-blade prop is slightly finer pitched than a two blade prop.
This makes the 3-blade perform better during groundroll and climb than the
two blade prop.
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| Subject: | FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? |
See attached
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| Subject: | FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? |
Trying again . . .
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| Subject: | Bending the tailcone longerons |
I'm ready to bend the tailcone longerons today and this was just discussed in the
last couple days. Did I understand someone correctly about not wanting to
drill the holes in the longerons before bending. (ie... bend first then drill
holes and cut the notches)???
Bill Britton
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| Subject: | FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? |
Third time's the charm?
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Mr. Dunne,
Thank you for the comprehensive overview. However my question is one of
Who is installing What on the RV-10 Currently. I only know of Vic and
Noel, and was wondering first person reports from the field of more than
544 builders that I am tracking. Noel is representing the additional
Hollywood HP of his N325HP special powerplant and I suspect Vic's
beautiful engine is pumping more than 260 at SL (from the grin on his
face). Another great subject.
As of right now, no one has fessed up to what they are installing, so I
believe the flock is following the Mantra from Home. I can here the
whispers now. "Don't stray far from Home, Luke".
Financial considerations may be the reason. I just wanted a head count.
It may be too early for a clear response.
Okay Jim, can you publish your client list on the MT 3 blade package? Or
are they all sworn to secrecy until certified Experimental flying
RV-10s.
John - KUAO
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Keep this in mind when you're choosing a prop.
What prop am I going to put on my -10?
I don't know,
I thought I'd wait to hear someone with some idea make the call.
$0.02
John
40315# (more important stuff like carpet colors. ;)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Of the 24+ RV-10s flying, is there anyone besides Vic and Noel with a
three blade combination. It would be nice to hear some performance
details before another sales pitch is posted on the list. I understood
Randy had a reconditioned prop, Doug what are you running? I assume
Scott and Tim are going with the new Hartzell C2YR-1BF/F8068D.
Would you guys speak up and identify what you are now flying with or
going to be flying with?
John - KUAO
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the tailcone longerons |
Stick with what it says in the manual and be gentle. The bend is so small that
it can be done by hand pressure alone. Leave the 10lbs sledge where it is for
now.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill and Tami Britton
To: RV10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Bending the tailcone longerons
I'm ready to bend the tailcone longerons today and this was just discussed in
the last couple days. Did I understand someone correctly about not wanting to
drill the holes in the longerons before bending. (ie... bend first then drill
holes and cut the notches)???
Bill Britton
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| Subject: | Re: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "2eyedocs" <2eyedocs@comcast.net>
[Laughing] Now that is funny!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7353#7353
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the tailcone longerons |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gommone7@bellsouth.net>
Yes thats was me (hugo 40456)happen to me because you aproch with caution ,you
hit many times and stress the part with high vibrations,mine stress crack at the
hole ,found that the only place to found a replacment was van's, after all
whats is the difference in doing after , you play in the safe side anyway,
hugo
>
> From: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
> Date: 2006/01/27 Fri AM 11:32:13 EST
> To: <RV10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Bending the tailcone longerons
>
> I'm ready to bend the tailcone longerons today and this was just discussed in
the last couple days. Did I understand someone correctly about not wanting to
drill the holes in the longerons before bending. (ie... bend first then drill
holes and cut the notches)???
>
> Bill Britton
>
>
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Hey all -
Just to add to the question - and forgive my ignorance - why doesn't
anyone consider hartzell or other aluminum 3 blade props? I notice that
there are a few of them. Every time there is a discussion about 3 blade
props, it usually boils down to composite versus aluminum, and ease of
service in the field. Isn't there a comparable aluminum 3 blade prop
out there that is acceptable for the mission?
cj
#40410
wings
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Mr. Dunne,
Thank you for the comprehensive overview. However my question is one of
Who is installing What on the RV-10 Currently. I only know of Vic and
Noel, and was wondering first person reports from the field of more than
544 builders that I am tracking. Noel is representing the additional
Hollywood HP of his N325HP special powerplant and I suspect Vic's
beautiful engine is pumping more than 260 at SL (from the grin on his
face). Another great subject.
As of right now, no one has fessed up to what they are installing, so I
believe the flock is following the Mantra from Home. I can here the
whispers now. "Don't stray far from Home, Luke".
Financial considerations may be the reason. I just wanted a head count.
It may be too early for a clear response.
Okay Jim, can you publish your client list on the MT 3 blade package? Or
are they all sworn to secrecy until certified Experimental flying
RV-10s.
John - KUAO
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Keep this in mind when you're choosing a prop.
What prop am I going to put on my -10?
I don't know,
I thought I'd wait to hear someone with some idea make the call.
$0.02
John
40315# (more important stuff like carpet colors. ;)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Of the 24+ RV-10s flying, is there anyone besides Vic and Noel with a
three blade combination. It would be nice to hear some performance
details before another sales pitch is posted on the list. I understood
Randy had a reconditioned prop, Doug what are you running? I assume
Scott and Tim are going with the new Hartzell C2YR-1BF/F8068D.
Would you guys speak up and identify what you are now flying with or
going to be flying with?
John - KUAO
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? |
There's an attachment in my email called winmail.dat. I don't know what
to do with it!!! That could be your problem.
Linn
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>Trying again . . .
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? |
Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately?This is going on the wall in my shop!
Steve Mills RV-10
starting SB wings
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately?
Third time's the charm?
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| Subject: | FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? |
?I'm wondering if that photo is real? You see, at 160 kts, you'd think
his air would be mussed up a little more....or maybe the phot was just
touched up a little bit. But it looks like he's having a good time, and
that's what counts-because 'kids are special.'
Chuck Jensen
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately?
Third time's the charm?
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I ordered my MT 3 blade as well. Us Austin TX RV10 builders have to
stick together. Of course mine is electric. I looked at your project
last weekend while helping Steitle with his Lancair. I think you could
be ready by May.
Bobby Hughes
40116
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 blade props
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
No secret. I have the MT three blade prop mounted on my RV-10 which I
hope to have flying in 6 - 9 months. Main considerations were light
weight, smooth operation and it looks good. I understand all the cons
of the MT three blade so let's not start a war.
Mark (40043)
=09
________________________________
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:09:26 -0800
=09
=09
Mr. Dunne,
Thank you for the comprehensive overview. However my question
is one of Who is installing What on the RV-10 Currently. I only know of
Vic and Noel, and was wondering first person reports from the field of
more than 544 builders that I am tracking. Noel is representing the
additional Hollywood HP of his N325HP special powerplant and I suspect
Vic's beautiful engine is pumping more than 260 at SL (from the grin on
his face). Another great subject.
As of right now, no one has fessed up to what they are
installing, so I believe the flock is following the Mantra from Home. I
can here the whispers now. "Don't stray far from Home, Luke".
Financial considerations may be the reason. I just wanted a
head count. It may be too early for a clear response.
Okay Jim, can you publish your client list on the MT 3 blade
package? Or are they all sworn to secrecy until certified Experimental
flying RV-10s.
John - KUAO
=09
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:56 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Keep this in mind when you're choosing a prop.
What prop am I going to put on my -10?
I don't know,
I thought I'd wait to hear someone with some idea make the call.
$0.02
John
40315# (more important stuff like carpet colors. ;)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 3:33 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Of the 24+ RV-10s flying, is there anyone besides Vic and Noel
with a three blade combination. It would be nice to hear some
performance details before another sales pitch is posted on the list. I
understood Randy had a reconditioned prop, Doug what are you running? I
assume Scott and Tim are going with the new Hartzell C2YR-1BF/F8068D.
Would you guys speak up and identify what you are now flying
with or going to be flying with?
John - KUAO
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But Chuck for him to really enjoy the ride, he should be looking out, so
he can see the ground coming up at him
Dan
40269
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately?
?I'm wondering if that photo is real? You see, at 160 kts, you'd think
his air would be mussed up a little more....or maybe the phot was just
touched up a little bit. But it looks like he's having a good time, and
that's what counts-because 'kids are special.'
Chuck Jensen
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately?
Third time's the charm?
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| Subject: | Alarm systems for the RV-10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
You could also power up a com radio and play a
recorded transmission to the tower or perhaps a remote
mount transponder set to Hijack if the alarm system is
bypassed. That would get everyones attention.... :)
You could also trip the ELT, but by the time they
finally showed up your RV-10 would be up on blocks and
thread-bare.
I think it is reasonable to add a simple system (not
like above) as long as the risk to you and your
certificate in minimal. I like your car alarm idea and
they are very affordable.
You could also use the alarm system to unlock the door
using one of the car servos but this would have the
risk of not being able to get into the plane in the
event of battery failure. It would have the advantage
of locking both sides and I guess you could crawl thru
baggage in a pinch. Standard factory manual door lock
for inflight. Let us know what you come up with!
Eric
--- "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
<rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote:
> This is an area a gave a very small amount of
> thought to so far. Reason being because there is no
> way I'm going to leave a 50k panel with an unlocked
> door. I am more than happy to replace a broken
> window or even an entire door if it might give an
> extra few minutes of work to a potential thief.
> Thieves don't want to spend anytime in the open and
> will just walk away from a challenge 95% of the
> time. But if they can simply walk up to an aircraft
> and climb in, shutting the door behind them, they
> will almost certainly pick that aircraft as a
> target.
>
> So I will use some method to restrict access to my
> -10 one way or another. In addition I am planning
> on integrating the door warning system with a run of
> the mill auto alarm. I'm sure some people are
> giggling but for less than the price of topping one
> of the tanks I can put in a loud alarm that will
> most certainly deter someone from targeting it.
> Remember, deterrence is the best answer in almost
> all occasions. An easy target has a much, much
> higher probability of being stolen. There used to
> be a show on Discovery, don't recall the name, in
> which a pair of reformed thieves would go around to
> peoples homes and show them just how quickly they
> could steal them blind. In the show the one thing
> they always tried to re-enforce was that a thief
> will not spend any amount of time at a house that
> they can not easily access and they would almost
> always keep walking if they knew it was alarmed.
>
> Just keep in mind the whole goal is deterrence
> because nothing will keep someone from breaking in
> if they want to. You just need to make it a less
> attractive target. We have a lot of theft around my
> in-laws ranch but no one has ever attempted to break
> into my workshop. The primary reason is I made sure
> everyone around knows there is an alarm system on it
> that emails and pages a half a dozen people. I then
> made sure that a few of the employees saw it in
> action.
>
> I may look like a dork when my aircraft flashes it's
> position lights when the alarm arms but I will sleep
> well knowing it will most likely be in the exact
> same condition the next morning, especially if some
> of you with no locks park near by. ;-)
>
> My $0.02 on the matter.
>
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? |
That kid must have really bad luck. I saw him last year on the hood of
his grandmothers car. I think he is still holding the windshield wiper
in this photo.
Bobby
40116
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately?
But Chuck for him to really enjoy the ride, he should be looking out, so
he can see the ground coming up at him
Dan
40269
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately?
?I'm wondering if that photo is real? You see, at 160 kts, you'd think
his air would be mussed up a little more....or maybe the phot was just
touched up a little bit. But it looks like he's having a good time, and
that's what counts-because 'kids are special.'
Chuck Jensen
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately?
Third time's the charm?
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| Subject: | Re: 3 blade props |
Okay! I'll fess up. I flew for the first time this week (40016) and have the 3
blade MT from Jim Ayers on my 10. Way to early (7hrs) (no wheel pants) for any
kind of numbers but I can tell you my first impressions. It runs very smooth.
Most people so far say it sounds more like an electric motor and it feels more
like one on the inside. I had someone check the balance and no adjustment was
necessary it was well below norm specs. The main reasons I went with the MT
was primarily the 18-20 lbs I saved up front on a nose heavy airplane, the smoothness
in which it operates, and obviously the looks. I AM interested in performance,
but if someone gets to where were going a few minutes earlier than me
just because my prop is slower, OH WELL!! When you factor in building technique,
rigging, which muffler system your using(Rvator article) you can argue the
#'s all day long. I wanted less weight, smoother operation and especially, that
sexy 3 blade look. If I'm not happy in a year or so, I'll put a diff prop on.
My suggestion to everyone is to go with your instincts and building criteria
and stop worrying so much about what the other guy has. Mark C. (Temecula, CA)
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| Subject: | Re: 3 blade props |
I think the 3 blade Hartzell is about 12-14K.
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I've got a surplus 6-bladed prop from a C-130J I think I'll try . . .
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Chamberlain
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Okay! I'll fess up. I flew for the first time this week (40016) and have
the 3 blade MT from Jim Ayers on my 10. Way to early (7hrs) (no wheel
pants) for any kind of numbers but I can tell you my first impressions.
It runs very smooth. Most people so far say it sounds more like an
electric motor and it feels more like one on the inside. I had someone
check the balance and no adjustment was necessary it was well below norm
specs. The main reasons I went with the MT was primarily the 18-20 lbs I
saved up front on a nose heavy airplane, the smoothness in which it
operates, and obviously the looks. I AM interested in performance, but
if someone gets to where were going a few minutes earlier than me just
because my prop is slower, OH WELL!! When you factor in building
technique, rigging, which muffler system your using(Rvator article) you
can argue the #'s all day long. I wanted less weight, smoother operation
and especially, that sexy 3 blade look. If I'm not happy in a year or
so, I'll put a diff prop on. My suggestion to everyone is to go with
your instincts and building criteria and stop worrying so much about
what the other guy has. Mark C. (Temecula, CA)
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Congrat's Mark. I was wondering what the latest was. We haven't talked
on the phone for awhile. Enjoy that plane. Randy 40006
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Chamberlain
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Okay! I'll fess up. I flew for the first time this week (40016) and have
the 3 blade MT from Jim Ayers on my 10. Way to early (7hrs) (no wheel
pants) for any kind of numbers but I can tell you my first impressions.
It runs very smooth. Most people so far say it sounds more like an
electric motor and it feels more like one on the inside. I had someone
check the balance and no adjustment was necessary it was well below norm
specs. The main reasons I went with the MT was primarily the 18-20 lbs I
saved up front on a nose heavy airplane, the smoothness in which it
operates, and obviously the looks. I AM interested in performance, but
if someone gets to where were going a few minutes earlier than me just
because my prop is slower, OH WELL!! When you factor in building
technique, rigging, which muffler system your using(Rvator article) you
can argue the #'s all day long. I wanted less weight, smoother operation
and especially, that sexy 3 blade look. If I'm not happy in a year or
so, I'll put a diff prop on. My suggestion to everyone is to go with
your instincts and building criteria and stop worrying so much about
what the other guy has. Mark C. (Temecula, CA)
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We want pictures!
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Congrat's Mark. I was wondering what the latest was. We haven't talked
on the phone for awhile. Enjoy that plane. Randy 40006
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Chamberlain
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Okay! I'll fess up. I flew for the first time this week (40016) and have
the 3 blade MT from Jim Ayers on my 10. Way to early (7hrs) (no wheel
pants) for any kind of numbers but I can tell you my first impressions.
It runs very smooth. Most people so far say it sounds more like an
electric motor and it feels more like one on the inside. I had someone
check the balance and no adjustment was necessary it was well below norm
specs. The main reasons I went with the MT was primarily the 18-20 lbs I
saved up front on a nose heavy airplane, the smoothness in which it
operates, and obviously the looks. I AM interested in performance, but
if someone gets to where were going a few minutes earlier than me just
because my prop is slower, OH WELL!! When you factor in building
technique, rigging, which muffler system your using(Rvator article) you
can argue the #'s all day long. I wanted less weight, smoother operation
and especially, that sexy 3 blade look. If I'm not happy in a year or
so, I'll put a diff prop on. My suggestion to everyone is to go with
your instincts and building criteria and stop worrying so much about
what the other guy has. Mark C. (Temecula, CA)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
So what are you seeing for cruise performance? Somewhere close to what
Van's claims, or???
Mark Ritter said:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>
> No secret. I have the MT three blade prop mounted on my RV-10 which I
> hope to have flying in 6 - 9 months. Main considerations were light
> weight, smooth operation and it looks good. I understand all the cons of
> the MT three blade so let's not start a war.
> Mark (40043)
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Oops, misread that...thought you were already flying 6-9 months...never mind
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Kelly McMullen said:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
>
> So what are you seeing for cruise performance? Somewhere close to what
> Van's claims, or???
>
> Mark Ritter said:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>>
>> No secret. I have the MT three blade prop mounted on my RV-10 which I
>> hope to have flying in 6 - 9 months. Main considerations were light
>> weight, smooth operation and it looks good. I understand all the cons
>> of
>> the MT three blade so let's not start a war.
>> Mark (40043)
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? |
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| Subject: | FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately? |
Airplane ride, van ride...his reaction is always the same. Strange kid.
Chuck Jensen
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Have YOU flown any Young Eagles lately?
Yup,
Here he is on the way to the airport to take his youg eagles ride.
Rick S.
40185
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: 3 blade props |
Me too, but I plan to fly in May!!
Russ Daves
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Ritter
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 blade props
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
No secret. I have the MT three blade prop mounted on my RV-10 which I hope to
have flying in 6 - 9 months. Main considerations were light weight, smooth
operation and it looks good. I understand all the cons of the MT three blade
so let's not start a war.
Mark (40043)
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:09:26 -0800
Mr. Dunne,
Thank you for the comprehensive overview. However my question is one of Who
is installing What on the RV-10 Currently. I only know of Vic and Noel, and
was wondering first person reports from the field of more than 544 builders that
I am tracking. Noel is representing the additional Hollywood HP of his N325HP
special powerplant and I suspect Vic's beautiful engine is pumping more than
260 at SL (from the grin on his face). Another great subject.
As of right now, no one has fessed up to what they are installing, so I believe
the flock is following the Mantra from Home. I can here the whispers now.
"Don't stray far from Home, Luke".
Financial considerations may be the reason. I just wanted a head count. It
may be too early for a clear response.
Okay Jim, can you publish your client list on the MT 3 blade package? Or are
they all sworn to secrecy until certified Experimental flying RV-10s.
John - KUAO
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:56 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Keep this in mind when you're choosing a prop.
What prop am I going to put on my -10?
I don't know,
I thought I'd wait to hear someone with some idea make the call.
$0.02
John
40315# (more important stuff like carpet colors. ;)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 3:33 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: 3 blade props
Of the 24+ RV-10s flying, is there anyone besides Vic and Noel with a three
blade combination. It would be nice to hear some performance details before
another sales pitch is posted on the list. I understood Randy had a reconditioned
prop, Doug what are you running? I assume Scott and Tim are going with the
new Hartzell C2YR-1BF/F8068D.
Would you guys speak up and identify what you are now flying with or going
to be flying with?
John - KUAO
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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| Subject: | rudder cable fairings |
Did any you who used the fairings install them during the initial tailcone
build? Right now I'm thinking about waiting 'til later so I can see just
how I need to leave clearance for the cable exit. Is this necessary? If
you waited 'til later, how hard was the install? I'm planning on riveting
the ones on the aft tailcone.
Rob
#392 ready to rivet tailcone starting tomorrow!
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| Subject: | Nylon Snap Bushings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
Well, I know Van's uses the snap bushings in the fuel tanks to hold the
vent lines as they go through the tank ribs.... I have not heard of
anyone finding pieces of them in the sump or bottom of the tank.
-Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Nylon Snap Bushings
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
--> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Hey all -
Didn't get a reply from anyone last time I asked, so I'll try again. Are
the nylon bushings (ie: SB437-4) safe to be used in an application that
has them submersed in fuel constantly? Will they react at all? Break
down?
Thanks
cj
#40410
wings
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | Re: 3 blade props |
Hi John,
I don't have a complete list. There are around 20 US MT Propeller
assembly/sales facilities.
And believe it, or not; Van's Aircraft is selling the 3 blade MT Propeller
for the RV-10, also.
Besides, after the way some of you treated each other in the past, it would
probably be poor form to provide a list.
I have an idea. Why don't we all just meet at Oshkosh and see who has which
propeller on their RV-10?
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 01/27/2006 9:13:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
johnwcox@pacificnw.com writes:
(Stuff Cut)
Okay Jim, can you publish your client list on the MT 3 blade package? Or are
they all sworn to secrecy until certified Experimental flying RV-10s.
John - KUAO
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| Subject: | Re: rudder cable fairings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Waited for later. Not hard at all. Either will work.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current section: Final Assembly
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Robert G. Wright wrote:
> Did any you who used the fairings install them during the initial
> tailcone build? Right now Im thinking about waiting til later so I
> can see just how I need to leave clearance for the cable exit. Is this
> necessary? If you waited til later, how hard was the install? Im
> planning on riveting the ones on the aft tailcone.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> #392 ready to rivet tailcone starting tomorrow!
>
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