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1. 12:20 AM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 03:55 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic System (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: 3 ring binder for manual (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
4. 06:43 AM - Re: Batteries ()
5. 07:04 AM - Re: 3 ring binder for manual (Rene Felker)
6. 07:42 AM - Re: 3 ring binder for manual (Mike Lauritsen - Work)
7. 08:03 AM - Re: 3 ring binder for manual (Chuck Jensen)
8. 08:50 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic System (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
9. 09:13 AM - Re: 3 ring binder for manual (John Jessen)
10. 09:31 AM - Re: 3 ring binder for manual (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
11. 09:58 AM - Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. (Jerry Grimmonpre)
12. 10:03 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic System (Brinker)
13. 10:06 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic System (Brinker)
14. 10:08 AM - Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
15. 10:20 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic System (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
16. 10:23 AM - Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. (John Gonzalez)
17. 10:28 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic System (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
18. 10:42 AM - Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. (John Gonzalez)
19. 11:03 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic System (Brinker)
20. 11:33 AM - Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. (Jerry Grimmonpre)
21. 11:37 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic System (Dj Merrill)
22. 11:40 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic System (David Schaefer)
23. 02:28 PM - Re: Batteries (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
24. 02:29 PM - Sound Proofing (John Dunne)
25. 02:50 PM - Re: Sound Proofing (Larry Rosen)
26. 03:17 PM - Re: 3 ring binder for manual (Larry Rosen)
27. 03:36 PM - Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. (John Hasbrouck)
28. 04:04 PM - Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. (Marcus Cooper)
29. 04:31 PM - Re: 3 ring binder for manual (Rick)
30. 04:32 PM - Re: 3 ring binder for manual (Rick)
31. 04:39 PM - Re: Big tip on connecting the elevator trim (Mike Kraus)
32. 05:11 PM - Re: Big tip on connecting the elevator trim (bruce breckenridge)
33. 07:13 PM - Official RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
34. 08:06 PM - Re: Big tip on connecting the elevator trim (Tim Olson)
35. 08:24 PM - Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. (John Gonzalez)
36. 08:27 PM - Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. (John Gonzalez)
37. 11:51 PM - Verticle Stabilizer (Paul Walter)
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Traffic System |
I haven't heard of the Zaon but I am installing the Ryan TAS600 system, which also
has RS232 that I can be run directly into the Chelton units and the Garmin
480.
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| Subject: | 3 ring binder for manual |
I ordered them from Corporate Express, they have a nice hard side 3 ring
binder, and make sure to get some of the self sticking paper
re-enforcement holes
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
Has anyone found a mail order source for a 3 ring binder for the manual?
I keep tearing the holes on mine, and would like to have a real binder
for my manual, but I can't find any locally, or on the internet. If
anyone knows a source, please let me know.
Thanx
Chris Hukill
Figuring out my aux fuel tank system
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I am plannning on the Subaru H-6 for my -10, Eggenfellner recommends two Odyssey 680 batteries. As far as location is concerned, I have not reached that point, however since the H-6 is about 60 lbs lighter than the Lycosaur, it would be best from a weight and balance point of view to locate the batteries under the cowl. You can get additional information at Eggenfellners web site http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/
Steve Mills
40486
working on wings
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill and Tami Britton
To: RV10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Batteries
I studied the archives a bit and found that several of you have installed dual
batteries. I cannot find any pictures of how the mods were made. Does anybody
have pictures of their battery mods??? I have not decided on which batteries
I will use yet. Do I need to know this before I build the tray???
Also, this may not be the right list to post this question, but, to those who
are considering the Egg H-6 for your -10, what are your battery thoughts/recommendations/locations???
Bill
RV-10 Tailcone
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| Subject: | 3 ring binder for manual |
I use standard three ring binders and fold the drawings in half. I unfold
the drawing I am working on and leave any uncompleted drawings unfolded.
Makes for easy reference when you have to jump back and forth. I have used
1, 1.5, 2 and 3 inch binders and think the 1.5 inch works the best. But...I
still pull out pages and have to put on paper A** H*** (reinforcement rings)
when I do. It just makes it a lot easier in the binders.
Rene' Felker
40322
Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
Has anyone found a mail order source for a 3 ring binder for the manual? I
keep tearing the holes on mine, and would like to have a real binder for my
manual, but I can't find any locally, or on the internet. If anyone knows a
source, please let me know.
Thanx
Chris Hukill
Figuring out my aux fuel tank system
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| Subject: | 3 ring binder for manual |
It's a bit overkill, but I took two strips of 1/8"x3/4" aluminum from the
hardware store and drilled them to correspond to the holes. I countersunk
and attached #8 nutplates to one for the back and countersunk and inserted
#8 screws through the front to sandwich all of the pages together. I went
this route mainly because I had so many ripped pages that I needed something
to pinch and hold them together.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
Has anyone found a mail order source for a 3 ring binder for the manual? I
keep tearing the holes on mine, and would like to have a real binder for my
manual, but I can't find any locally, or on the internet. If anyone knows a
source, please let me know.
Thanx
Chris Hukill
Figuring out my aux fuel tank system
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| Subject: | 3 ring binder for manual |
To reinforce the pages and prevent rip-out, run a strip of Scotch tape
along the edge of the page, covering the holes. Punch the holes again
and you have a super strong edge with holes that won't rip out. Cost:
0.01 cents per page.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Lauritsen - Work
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
It's a bit overkill, but I took two strips of 1/8"x3/4" aluminum from
the hardware store and drilled them to correspond to the holes. I
countersunk and attached #8 nutplates to one for the back and
countersunk and inserted #8 screws through the front to sandwich all of
the pages together. I went this route mainly because I had so many
ripped pages that I needed something to pinch and hold them together.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
Has anyone found a mail order source for a 3 ring binder for the manual?
I keep tearing the holes on mine, and would like to have a real binder
for my manual, but I can't find any locally, or on the internet. If
anyone knows a source, please let me know.
Thanx
Chris Hukill
Figuring out my aux fuel tank system
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| Subject: | Zaon Traffic System |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
An RS232 interface doesn't mean jack if whatever display you're using
doesn't support the particular format that is transmitted.
TDT
40025
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brinker
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
Anyone fimiliar with the Zaon flight systems traffic avoidance system ?
Looks promising and has a RS232 output which may make it compatible for
showing traffic on a GRT. And from what I've read it will pick up
traffic
pretty much anywhere in the USA.
Randy
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| Subject: | 3 ring binder for manual |
I just rip each page out (I've given up trying to keep the holes from
ripping), immediately spill some hot tea on it to give it its proper
staining, fold it up and stuff it in my briefcase so I can unfold it in the
airport and look at it seriously hoping to impress someone with my technical
acumen. Mainly I take the page out so I can have that one page near,
beside, on top of the work at hand. Then, once finished with it, I take it
home with me so it's near the computer and I can enter my notes and time,
then finally onto a "completed" file of other, heroically stained and
mangled pages. War is war. I stand on the front line between aluminum and
civilization. You need me on that line; you want me on that line. I don't
have the time, nor the inclination to pamper my pages.
Histrionically yours,
John Jessen
~328 (skinning the Tailcone)
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:01 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
To reinforce the pages and prevent rip-out, run a strip of Scotch tape along
the edge of the page, covering the holes. Punch the holes again and you
have a super strong edge with holes that won't rip out. Cost: 0.01 cents
per page.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Lauritsen -
Work
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
It's a bit overkill, but I took two strips of 1/8"x3/4" aluminum from the
hardware store and drilled them to correspond to the holes. I countersunk
and attached #8 nutplates to one for the back and countersunk and inserted
#8 screws through the front to sandwich all of the pages together. I went
this route mainly because I had so many ripped pages that I needed something
to pinch and hold them together.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
Has anyone found a mail order source for a 3 ring binder for the manual? I
keep tearing the holes on mine, and would like to have a real binder for my
manual, but I can't find any locally, or on the internet. If anyone knows a
source, please let me know.
Thanx
Chris Hukill
Figuring out my aux fuel tank system
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| Subject: | 3 ring binder for manual |
"Col Jessen, did you order the wing kit?"
"I did the job, I . . ."
"Did you order the wing kit?"
"You're goddamn right I did!"
Hee hee
TDT
Do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
I just rip each page out (I've given up trying to keep the holes from
ripping), immediately spill some hot tea on it to give it its proper
staining, fold it up and stuff it in my briefcase so I can unfold it in
the airport and look at it seriously hoping to impress someone with my
technical acumen. Mainly I take the page out so I can have that one
page near, beside, on top of the work at hand. Then, once finished with
it, I take it home with me so it's near the computer and I can enter my
notes and time, then finally onto a "completed" file of other,
heroically stained and mangled pages. War is war. I stand on the front
line between aluminum and civilization. You need me on that line; you
want me on that line. I don't have the time, nor the inclination to
pamper my pages.
Histrionically yours,
John Jessen
~328 (skinning the Tailcone)
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:01 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
To reinforce the pages and prevent rip-out, run a strip of Scotch tape
along the edge of the page, covering the holes. Punch the holes again
and you have a super strong edge with holes that won't rip out. Cost:
0.01 cents per page.
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Lauritsen - Work
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
It's a bit overkill, but I took two strips of 1/8"x3/4" aluminum from
the hardware store and drilled them to correspond to the holes. I
countersunk and attached #8 nutplates to one for the back and
countersunk and inserted #8 screws through the front to sandwich all of
the pages together. I went this route mainly because I had so many
ripped pages that I needed something to pinch and hold them together.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: 3 ring binder for manual
Has anyone found a mail order source for a 3 ring binder for the manual?
I keep tearing the holes on mine, and would like to have a real binder
for my manual, but I can't find any locally, or on the internet. If
anyone knows a source, please let me know.
Thanx
Chris Hukill
Figuring out my aux fuel tank system
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| Subject: | Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
When Achor-Tite is googled it leads me to Plastic Grip Tite. Is this the
same stuff? Where can Achor-Tite be purchased? Is Achor-Tite the correct
spelling? What is missing?
Thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Just thought I would share this with you all. I have used three metal
> epoxy adhesives so far and the one I am most impressed with is a product
> called "Achor-Tite". This product is trademarked under this name and is
> made in California.
>
> The product claims to have holding strength of 2500psi tensil strength and
> as impressive as that is, what I think is even better is that it has an
> ability to have 30% elongation before deformation. It claims impact
> resistence, meaning it is not brittle. It has a set time of 3-4 hours,
> but parts need to be in contact within one hour. 100% cure in one week.
> It is not moisture sensitve once set, can be used for marine applications.
> I bonds several different mediums.
>
> In actual use what I found most interesting is that I cut a small piece of
> aluminum house flashing to mix this stuff and the left over cured adhesive
> will not come off the (smooth/polished) aluminum flashing. Even if I bend
> this thin flashing over and over, the epoxy will not seperate. That is
> impressive. I had used this stuff to glue in my horizontal stab nose ribs
> a week before I riveted them in. I was not aware of this flashing result
> until I used it again that I played with the excess on the flashing.
>
> Perhaps a drilled out rivet left a slightly enlarged hole. Use of this
> product in addition to a backing plate might give one a little better
> piece of mind when you re-rivet it.
>
> P.S. I am not advocating patching up your mistakes and being comfortable.
> You are your own engineer and judge.
>
> John G. #409
> elevator trim tabs completed, difficult access for the rivets at the
> control horn.
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Traffic System |
I can't justify spending 10k or so on a traffic system such as the Ryan. The Zaon is about $1800. which can be found at http://www.zaonflight.com/ With technology expanding by leaps and bounds I am holding out for a bit to see what emerges next. I was leaning towards the Garmin modes S GTX330 but after learning the FAA is fazing out mode S coverage and also only good when in mode S radar coverage the Zaon XRX is looking appealing if it will do all it claims.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
I haven't heard of the Zaon but I am installing the Ryan TAS600 system, which
also has RS232 that I can be run directly into the Chelton units and the Garmin
480.
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Traffic System |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
Contacted Zaon they are expanding they're interface database this
year. Hopefully it will include GRT efis.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> An RS232 interface doesn't mean jack if whatever display you're using
> doesn't support the particular format that is transmitted.
>
> TDT
> 40025
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brinker
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:59 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
>
> Anyone fimiliar with the Zaon flight systems traffic avoidance system ?
> Looks promising and has a RS232 output which may make it compatible for
> showing traffic on a GRT. And from what I've read it will pick up
> traffic
> pretty much anywhere in the USA.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Appears to be a great adhesive. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
There's an 'n' missing.
Try: http://anchortite.supergluecorp.com/epoxy.html
They have a version called "Automotive/RV" so that must be for us!
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Grimmonpre
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
When Achor-Tite is googled it leads me to Plastic Grip Tite. Is this
the
same stuff? Where can Achor-Tite be purchased? Is Achor-Tite the
correct
spelling? What is missing?
Thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Just thought I would share this with you all. I have used three metal
> epoxy adhesives so far and the one I am most impressed with is a
product
> called "Achor-Tite". This product is trademarked under this name and
is
> made in California.
>
> The product claims to have holding strength of 2500psi tensil strength
and
> as impressive as that is, what I think is even better is that it has
an
> ability to have 30% elongation before deformation. It claims impact
> resistence, meaning it is not brittle. It has a set time of 3-4
hours,
> but parts need to be in contact within one hour. 100% cure in one
week.
> It is not moisture sensitve once set, can be used for marine
applications.
> I bonds several different mediums.
>
> In actual use what I found most interesting is that I cut a small
piece of
> aluminum house flashing to mix this stuff and the left over cured
adhesive
> will not come off the (smooth/polished) aluminum flashing. Even if I
bend
> this thin flashing over and over, the epoxy will not seperate. That
is
> impressive. I had used this stuff to glue in my horizontal stab nose
ribs
> a week before I riveted them in. I was not aware of this flashing
result
> until I used it again that I played with the excess on the flashing.
>
> Perhaps a drilled out rivet left a slightly enlarged hole. Use of
this
> product in addition to a backing plate might give one a little better
> piece of mind when you re-rivet it.
>
> P.S. I am not advocating patching up your mistakes and being
comfortable.
> You are your own engineer and judge.
>
> John G. #409
> elevator trim tabs completed, difficult access for the rivets at the
> control horn.
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| Subject: | Zaon Traffic System |
Note that the Zaon is a passive system, relying on ground radar or on
other TCAS-equipped aircraft to generate the "pings" that will bounce
off target aircraft. So if you're too far from a ground radar, and
there's not an airliner with TCAS nearby, you might not see another
aircraft because no one is interrogating his transponder.
Ryan TAS, on the other hand, is an active system that generates its own
"pings" so it will detect anyone with a transponder, regardless of where
you are.
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brinker
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
I can't justify spending 10k or so on a traffic system such
as the Ryan. The Zaon is about $1800. which can be found at
http://www.zaonflight.com/ With technology expanding by leaps and bounds
I am holding out for a bit to see what emerges next. I was leaning
towards the Garmin modes S GTX330 but after learning the FAA is fazing
out mode S coverage and also only good when in mode S radar coverage the
Zaon XRX is looking appealing if it will do all it claims.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton <mailto:weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
I haven't heard of the Zaon but I am installing the Ryan TAS600
system, which also has RS232 that I can be run directly into the Chelton
units and the Garmin 480.
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| Subject: | Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
I read it right from the syringe. I purchased mine from a hardware store in
California called the "Do It Center." The spelling is correct. Let me know
if you can't find it inside the site you looked at and I'll do more research
when I get home. The outer paper I threw away, but I'll make it happen even
if I have to go get more. Sorry for the inconvenience.
JG
>From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:56:40 -0600
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
>When Achor-Tite is googled it leads me to Plastic Grip Tite. Is this the
>same stuff? Where can Achor-Tite be purchased? Is Achor-Tite the correct
>spelling? What is missing?
>Thanks ...
>Jerry Grimmonpre'
>RV8A
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:21 PM
>Subject: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>>Just thought I would share this with you all. I have used three metal
>>epoxy adhesives so far and the one I am most impressed with is a product
>>called "Achor-Tite". This product is trademarked under this name and is
>>made in California.
>>
>>The product claims to have holding strength of 2500psi tensil strength and
>>as impressive as that is, what I think is even better is that it has an
>>ability to have 30% elongation before deformation. It claims impact
>>resistence, meaning it is not brittle. It has a set time of 3-4 hours,
>>but parts need to be in contact within one hour. 100% cure in one week.
>>It is not moisture sensitve once set, can be used for marine applications.
>>I bonds several different mediums.
>>
>>In actual use what I found most interesting is that I cut a small piece of
>>aluminum house flashing to mix this stuff and the left over cured adhesive
>>will not come off the (smooth/polished) aluminum flashing. Even if I bend
>>this thin flashing over and over, the epoxy will not seperate. That is
>>impressive. I had used this stuff to glue in my horizontal stab nose ribs
>>a week before I riveted them in. I was not aware of this flashing result
>>until I used it again that I played with the excess on the flashing.
>>
>>Perhaps a drilled out rivet left a slightly enlarged hole. Use of this
>>product in addition to a backing plate might give one a little better
>>piece of mind when you re-rivet it.
>>
>>P.S. I am not advocating patching up your mistakes and being comfortable.
>>You are your own engineer and judge.
>>
>>John G. #409
>>elevator trim tabs completed, difficult access for the rivets at the
>>control horn.
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
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| Subject: | Zaon Traffic System |
It also looks like the Zaon uses altitude separation and range to
prioritize threats (of which it can only show three at a time).
Ryan and other TSO'ed traffic sensors use "tau", which is a computed
time of closest approach of the target. This allows, say, a Learjet
that is further away from you, but closing at 450 knots, to be a
higher-priority threat than a Piper Cub that is closer to you, but only
moving at 90 knots . . .
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brinker
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
I can't justify spending 10k or so on a traffic system such
as the Ryan. The Zaon is about $1800. which can be found at
http://www.zaonflight.com/ With technology expanding by leaps and bounds
I am holding out for a bit to see what emerges next. I was leaning
towards the Garmin modes S GTX330 but after learning the FAA is fazing
out mode S coverage and also only good when in mode S radar coverage the
Zaon XRX is looking appealing if it will do all it claims.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton <mailto:weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
I haven't heard of the Zaon but I am installing the Ryan TAS600
system, which also has RS232 that I can be run directly into the Chelton
units and the Garmin 480.
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| Subject: | Appears to be a great adhesive. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Thank you. '''''''n""""" I better watch out for those rivets I leave out.
This actually brings up a point about proof reading your emails before
hitting the send button.
Some times it takes a while to figure out what someone is trying to be say.
It was the Automotive/RV type, but it also said submergible and marine
applications Okay.
It is good stuff.
John
>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:07:59 -0500
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
>There's an 'n' missing.
>
>Try: http://anchortite.supergluecorp.com/epoxy.html
>
>They have a version called "Automotive/RV" so that must be for us!
>
>TDT
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
>Grimmonpre
>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:57 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
>When Achor-Tite is googled it leads me to Plastic Grip Tite. Is this
>the
>same stuff? Where can Achor-Tite be purchased? Is Achor-Tite the
>correct
>spelling? What is missing?
>Thanks ...
>Jerry Grimmonpre'
>RV8A
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:21 PM
>Subject: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> >
> > Just thought I would share this with you all. I have used three metal
>
> > epoxy adhesives so far and the one I am most impressed with is a
>product
> > called "Achor-Tite". This product is trademarked under this name and
>is
> > made in California.
> >
> > The product claims to have holding strength of 2500psi tensil strength
>and
> > as impressive as that is, what I think is even better is that it has
>an
> > ability to have 30% elongation before deformation. It claims impact
> > resistence, meaning it is not brittle. It has a set time of 3-4
>hours,
> > but parts need to be in contact within one hour. 100% cure in one
>week.
> > It is not moisture sensitve once set, can be used for marine
>applications.
> > I bonds several different mediums.
> >
> > In actual use what I found most interesting is that I cut a small
>piece of
> > aluminum house flashing to mix this stuff and the left over cured
>adhesive
> > will not come off the (smooth/polished) aluminum flashing. Even if I
>bend
> > this thin flashing over and over, the epoxy will not seperate. That
>is
> > impressive. I had used this stuff to glue in my horizontal stab nose
>ribs
> > a week before I riveted them in. I was not aware of this flashing
>result
> > until I used it again that I played with the excess on the flashing.
> >
> > Perhaps a drilled out rivet left a slightly enlarged hole. Use of
>this
> > product in addition to a backing plate might give one a little better
> > piece of mind when you re-rivet it.
> >
> > P.S. I am not advocating patching up your mistakes and being
>comfortable.
> > You are your own engineer and judge.
> >
> > John G. #409
> > elevator trim tabs completed, difficult access for the rivets at the
> > control horn.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Traffic System |
Does'nt ground radar cover most all the continental US ? And as such
would'nt the passive system such as the Zaon be more capable than mode S ?
Still trying to figure out all this active and passive thing. Pretty
neat stuff and truly mind boggling at the advancements being made.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
Note that the Zaon is a passive system, relying on ground radar or on other TCAS-equipped
aircraft to generate the "pings" that will bounce off target aircraft.
So if you're too far from a ground radar, and there's not an airliner with
TCAS nearby, you might not see another aircraft because no one is interrogating
his transponder.
Ryan TAS, on the other hand, is an active system that generates its own "pings"
so it will detect anyone with a transponder, regardless of where you are.
TDT
40025
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brinker
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:02 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
I can't justify spending 10k or so on a traffic system such as the Ryan. The Zaon is about $1800. which can be found at http://www.zaonflight.com/ With technology expanding by leaps and bounds I am holding out for a bit to see what emerges next. I was leaning towards the Garmin modes S GTX330 but after learning the FAA is fazing out mode S coverage and also only good when in mode S radar coverage the Zaon XRX is looking appealing if it will do all it claims.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
I haven't heard of the Zaon but I am installing the Ryan TAS600 system, which
also has RS232 that I can be run directly into the Chelton units and the Garmin
480.
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| Subject: | Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
It's really no inconvenience here ... I'm happy it's found, I added an "n"
and that lead me into the site. I've used a similar two part squeeze and
found the stuff easy to do the job. I will watch for it at the hardware
store. Thanks, Jerry
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> I read it right from the syringe. I purchased mine from a hardware store
> in California called the "Do It Center." The spelling is correct. Let me
> know if you can't find it inside the site you looked at and I'll do more
> research when I get home. The outer paper I threw away, but I'll make it
> happen even if I have to go get more. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> JG
>
>
>>From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:56:40 -0600
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>>
>>When Achor-Tite is googled it leads me to Plastic Grip Tite. Is this the
>>same stuff? Where can Achor-Tite be purchased? Is Achor-Tite the correct
>>spelling? What is missing?
>>Thanks ...
>>Jerry Grimmonpre'
>>RV8A
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gonzalez"
>><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:21 PM
>>Subject: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>>
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>
>>>Just thought I would share this with you all. I have used three metal
>>>epoxy adhesives so far and the one I am most impressed with is a product
>>>called "Achor-Tite". This product is trademarked under this name and is
>>>made in California.
>>>
>>>The product claims to have holding strength of 2500psi tensil strength
>>>and as impressive as that is, what I think is even better is that it has
>>>an ability to have 30% elongation before deformation. It claims impact
>>>resistence, meaning it is not brittle. It has a set time of 3-4 hours,
>>>but parts need to be in contact within one hour. 100% cure in one week.
>>>It is not moisture sensitve once set, can be used for marine
>>>applications. I bonds several different mediums.
>>>
>>>In actual use what I found most interesting is that I cut a small piece
>>>of aluminum house flashing to mix this stuff and the left over cured
>>>adhesive will not come off the (smooth/polished) aluminum flashing. Even
>>>if I bend this thin flashing over and over, the epoxy will not seperate.
>>>That is impressive. I had used this stuff to glue in my horizontal stab
>>>nose ribs a week before I riveted them in. I was not aware of this
>>>flashing result until I used it again that I played with the excess on
>>>the flashing.
>>>
>>>Perhaps a drilled out rivet left a slightly enlarged hole. Use of this
>>>product in addition to a backing plate might give one a little better
>>>piece of mind when you re-rivet it.
>>>
>>>P.S. I am not advocating patching up your mistakes and being comfortable.
>>>You are your own engineer and judge.
>>>
>>>John G. #409
>>>elevator trim tabs completed, difficult access for the rivets at the
>>>control horn.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Traffic System |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
Brinker wrote:
> Does'nt ground radar cover most all the continental US ?
> And as such would'nt the passive system such as the Zaon be more
> capable than mode S ?
> Still trying to figure out all this active and passive
> thing. Pretty neat stuff and truly mind boggling at the advancements
> being made.
>
Well, "it depends"... :-)
Ground radar does cover more area at present than mode S (aka TIS coverage).
However, in a lot of places, especially near hills, ground radar may only
go down to something like 5000 feet, so it does not have complete coverage,
especially down low near a lot of smaller airports, where you are more
likely
to really need the traffic avoidance.
As ADS-B makes it way into areas, eventually radar coverage will be
phased out, but we have quite a few years before that happens. TIS already
has a phasing-out schedule, so IMHO it is already an outdated technology,
although you are likely to get at least another 10 years or so out of it
in most areas.
Right now I'd guess a passive system that works off the reflected radar
signal would have more coverage overall than the TIS or ADS-B systems.
However, TIS and ADS-B are far more accurate in direction, distance, and
altitude.
Just put both in! *grin*
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Traffic System |
I remember these guys from OSH. They are going to use some proprietary
format and initially only hook-up with the ANYWhere system. The unit will
be a built-in unit not the portable one.
Regards,
On 2/2/06, Tim Dawson-Townsend <Tdawson@avidyne.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <
> Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> An RS232 interface doesn't mean jack if whatever display you're using
> doesn't support the particular format that is transmitted.
>
> TDT
> 40025
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brinker
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:59 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic System
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
>
> Anyone fimiliar with the Zaon flight systems traffic avoidance system ?
> Looks promising and has a RS232 output which may make it compatible for
> showing traffic on a GRT. And from what I've read it will pick up
> traffic
> pretty much anywhere in the USA.
>
> Randy
>
>
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>
>
--
David Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
www.n142ds.com
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Here's what I did, batteries are a pair of PC-680s. Not a problem to
mod the tray later.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Tami
Britton
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Batteries
I studied the archives a bit and found that several of you have
installed dual batteries. I cannot find any pictures of how the mods
were made. Does anybody have pictures of their battery mods??? I have
not decided on which batteries I will use yet. Do I need to know this
before I build the tray???
Also, this may not be the right list to post this question, but, to
those who are considering the Egg H-6 for your -10, what are your
battery thoughts/recommendations/locations???
Bill
RV-10 Tailcone
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I seem to recall a discussion on the pros and cons of soundproofing the -10.
Can anyone enlighten me or point me to where this info was posted?
John
40315#
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| Subject: | Re: Sound Proofing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Pros
It keeps the interior quiet (the key is to put the sound proofing in the
important locations to get the most noise reduction with the least
amount of material which is difficult to know before the plane is flying)
May add thermal insulation
Cons
Added weight
Potential for corrosion by trapping moisture especially in areas that
you cannot inspect (like under the floor panels)
Alternate
Use ANR headsets
Just my 2 cents
--
Larry Rosen
RV-10 #356
http://lrosen.nerv10.com
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| Subject: | Re: 3 ring binder for manual |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
I store my plans in a plastic 3 ring binder like you are looking for
which is on loan from work :-)
I found one at office depot here
<http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=914005&&An=text>
or at a site called www.11x17.com Here is the link to 1" 11x17 binders
<http://11x17binders.com/store/index.php?cPath=9_17&osCsid=9db182416d177ff25f3d00b990968221>
In the shop I use a copy of my plans. They get tossed around and the
pages get out of order. Every so often my daughter gets the task of
putting them back in order.
Chris Hukill wrote:
> Has anyone found a mail order source for a 3 ring binder for the
> manual? I keep tearing the holes on mine, and would like to have a
> real binder for my manual, but I can't find any locally, or on the
> internet. If anyone knows a source, please let me know.
> Thanx
> Chris Hukill
> Figuring out my aux fuel tank system
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
John,
What's its long term effect on aluminum? Will it cause corrosion?
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Any thoughts on using this stuff to attach the rudder cable fairings to the
fuselage? Seems like it might be a good fit if permanent enough.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Thank you. '''''''n""""" I better watch out for those rivets I leave out.
This actually brings up a point about proof reading your emails before
hitting the send button.
Some times it takes a while to figure out what someone is trying to be say.
It was the Automotive/RV type, but it also said submergible and marine
applications Okay.
It is good stuff.
John
>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:07:59 -0500
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
>There's an 'n' missing.
>
>Try: http://anchortite.supergluecorp.com/epoxy.html
>
>They have a version called "Automotive/RV" so that must be for us!
>
>TDT
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
>Grimmonpre
>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:57 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
>When Achor-Tite is googled it leads me to Plastic Grip Tite. Is this
>the
>same stuff? Where can Achor-Tite be purchased? Is Achor-Tite the
>correct
>spelling? What is missing?
>Thanks ...
>Jerry Grimmonpre'
>RV8A
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:21 PM
>Subject: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> >
> > Just thought I would share this with you all. I have used three metal
>
> > epoxy adhesives so far and the one I am most impressed with is a
>product
> > called "Achor-Tite". This product is trademarked under this name and
>is
> > made in California.
> >
> > The product claims to have holding strength of 2500psi tensil strength
>and
> > as impressive as that is, what I think is even better is that it has
>an
> > ability to have 30% elongation before deformation. It claims impact
> > resistence, meaning it is not brittle. It has a set time of 3-4
>hours,
> > but parts need to be in contact within one hour. 100% cure in one
>week.
> > It is not moisture sensitve once set, can be used for marine
>applications.
> > I bonds several different mediums.
> >
> > In actual use what I found most interesting is that I cut a small
>piece of
> > aluminum house flashing to mix this stuff and the left over cured
>adhesive
> > will not come off the (smooth/polished) aluminum flashing. Even if I
>bend
> > this thin flashing over and over, the epoxy will not seperate. That
>is
> > impressive. I had used this stuff to glue in my horizontal stab nose
>ribs
> > a week before I riveted them in. I was not aware of this flashing
>result
> > until I used it again that I played with the excess on the flashing.
> >
> > Perhaps a drilled out rivet left a slightly enlarged hole. Use of
>this
> > product in addition to a backing plate might give one a little better
> > piece of mind when you re-rivet it.
> >
> > P.S. I am not advocating patching up your mistakes and being
>comfortable.
> > You are your own engineer and judge.
> >
> > John G. #409
> > elevator trim tabs completed, difficult access for the rivets at the
> > control horn.
>
>
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| Subject: | Big tip on connecting the elevator trim |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
I had very good success by taking some 3/8" tygon tubing (or other
flexible type tubing) and fishing it thorough from the back side of the
Horizontal stab through the snap bushings. Then feed the trim cable
from the front and slide it into the front of the tube. Push the cable
and pull the tubing at the same rate and the tubing will glide the cable
through the snap bushings out the back side of the HS in perfect
alignment.
Both sides took less than 5 minutes.
Of course it took me an hour to figure this out.....
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 Fuse, wiring, instruments, FWF, whatever sounds like fun each
day.... It all has to get done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:33 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Big tip on connecting the elevator trim
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Here's one for the archives....
Tonight I installed my elevator trim. Connecting the
trim wires on the remote ends is the last of my wiring to
connect, so I'm happy about that. I spent close to an
hour or more trying everything I could to get the trim cables pushed
from the forward part of the elevator through the snap bushings and
coming out the back. It just was NOT going to happen. There was almost
no way to get in there to align the cable with the holes inside the HS
either. Especially doing it with the Vertical Stab mounted in the way,
it was just not going to happen.
Then I had one of those fleeting moments of brilliance....
and after that, it took only a few minutes to get both
of them through. Save this tip if you haven't done this
yet.
First, get some wire like coathanger wire. I used some
old aluminum pin material from some hinges used in previous
construction. Put a light in the center of the HS, towards the forward
part. Use the light to sight into the snap bushings from the rear and
feed that wire up to the front.
With the wire in, use a needle nose to pull it out the
entrance point for the cable. Tape onto that something
that's about 3/16" or 1/4" thick and flexible. Maybe
pitot tubing...I used scrap pieces of strobe wiring. You'll need about
2.5-3' of it.
Pull that stuff through except for a few inches to work with. Use some
heat shrink to join the end of the trim cable to the end of the flexible
stuff, straight and inline.
Now you can pull gently on that flexible line and it should feed through
relatively snag free, guiding the trim cables through all of the snap
bushings. Do each side about 6" at a time until they're both out.
Additonal notes: I hadn't ordered that new aluminum trim
anchor that's been talked about on the list, but after
seeing how the angle of the original one is, I would
recommend that you buy those well in advance of when you
need them. I would bet they'd be much nicer. I had to
whack mine with a hammer to give them a little less angle
so they'd line up better. I had previously soldered them
up to be tougher, so this angle adjustment was even tougher
to do now. Do it all at once when you do it. Also, for
future reference, I don't think there's really any benefit
to hooking up that trim system until you're almost done with your final
assembly. I see no reason why it hindered me in the building, and
without it installed it gave me more room to work in the tailcone
pulling and attaching wires and stuff.
Hope that saves a few people a few combined hours of time.
Wish I'd have started that way.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | re: Big tip on connecting the elevator trim |
"Additonal notes: I hadn't ordered that new aluminum trim anchor that's
been talked about on the list, but after seeing how the angle of the
original one is, I would recommend that you buy those well in advance of
when you need them. I would bet they'd be much nicer. I had to whack mine
with a hammer to give them a little less angle so they'd line up better. I
had previously soldered them up to be tougher, so this angle adjustment was
even tougher to do now."
So, Tim: Based on your experience with the sledge, do you think it unwise
to purchase this beautifully crafted "nut on a plate" that doesn't appear to
be easily smacked into a different position?
Bruce
40018
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CC: bruce breckenridge <bbreckenridge@gmail.com>
| Subject: | Re: Big tip on connecting the elevator trim |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
No, based on my experience, I think that the people that said "the
nut angle at 25 degreess is too much and it needs to be 15 degrees"
is correct, and I believe it would be best to purchase the beautifully
crafted "nut on a plate". I think that would give superior
results. In my case, I put together the steel one that will rust
eventually, and when I want to re-do it I'll have to buy a new
plate and the new nut type. If a builder did it with the new
nut, the worst that would happen is they'd have to buy a new
set of plates and use the original van's nut that came with the kit.
Better to do it the best way first....unlike what I ended up
doing.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current section: Final Assembly
DO NOT ARCHIVE
bruce breckenridge wrote:
> "Additonal notes: I hadn't ordered that new aluminum trim anchor
> that's been talked about on the list, but after seeing how the angle of
> the original one is, I would recommend that you buy those well in
> advance of when you need them. I would bet they'd be much nicer. I had
> to whack mine with a hammer to give them a little less angle so they'd
> line up better. I had previously soldered them up to be tougher, so
> this angle adjustment was even tougher to do now."
>
> So, Tim: Based on your experience with the sledge, do you think it
> unwise to purchase this beautifully crafted "nut on a plate" that
> doesn't appear to be easily smacked into a different position?
>
> Bruce
> 40018
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| Subject: | Re: Appears to be a great adhesive. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
UNknown, as I have only just started using. Aluminum however is one of the
metals listed for its use. I see no reason why it should promote corrosion
as it seals the metal off from the environment just like a thick, strong
epoxy primer.
John G.
>From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:34:49 -0500
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>
>John,
> What's its long term effect on aluminum? Will it cause corrosion?
>
>John Hasbrouck
>#40264
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
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| Subject: | Appears to be a great adhesive. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
The problem may become getting the fairing off if you ever needed to. You
will certainly damage the fuselage skin. I think it would hold it that well.
John
>From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:01:28 -0500
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
>Any thoughts on using this stuff to attach the rudder cable fairings to the
>fuselage? Seems like it might be a good fit if permanent enough.
>
>Marcus
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:41 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
>Thank you. '''''''n""""" I better watch out for those rivets I leave out.
>This actually brings up a point about proof reading your emails before
>hitting the send button.
>Some times it takes a while to figure out what someone is trying to be say.
>
>It was the Automotive/RV type, but it also said submergible and marine
>applications Okay.
>
>It is good stuff.
>
>John
>
> >From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
> >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:07:59 -0500
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> ><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >
> >
> >There's an 'n' missing.
> >
> >Try: http://anchortite.supergluecorp.com/epoxy.html
> >
> >They have a version called "Automotive/RV" so that must be for us!
> >
> >TDT
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
> >Grimmonpre
> >Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:57 PM
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
> >
> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
> >
> >When Achor-Tite is googled it leads me to Plastic Grip Tite. Is this
> >the
> >same stuff? Where can Achor-Tite be purchased? Is Achor-Tite the
> >correct
> >spelling? What is missing?
> >Thanks ...
> >Jerry Grimmonpre'
> >RV8A
> >DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:21 PM
> >Subject: RV10-List: Appears to be a great adhesive.
> >
> >
> > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
> ><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
> > >
> > > Just thought I would share this with you all. I have used three metal
> >
> > > epoxy adhesives so far and the one I am most impressed with is a
> >product
> > > called "Achor-Tite". This product is trademarked under this name and
> >is
> > > made in California.
> > >
> > > The product claims to have holding strength of 2500psi tensil strength
> >and
> > > as impressive as that is, what I think is even better is that it has
> >an
> > > ability to have 30% elongation before deformation. It claims impact
> > > resistence, meaning it is not brittle. It has a set time of 3-4
> >hours,
> > > but parts need to be in contact within one hour. 100% cure in one
> >week.
> > > It is not moisture sensitve once set, can be used for marine
> >applications.
> > > I bonds several different mediums.
> > >
> > > In actual use what I found most interesting is that I cut a small
> >piece of
> > > aluminum house flashing to mix this stuff and the left over cured
> >adhesive
> > > will not come off the (smooth/polished) aluminum flashing. Even if I
> >bend
> > > this thin flashing over and over, the epoxy will not seperate. That
> >is
> > > impressive. I had used this stuff to glue in my horizontal stab nose
> >ribs
> > > a week before I riveted them in. I was not aware of this flashing
> >result
> > > until I used it again that I played with the excess on the flashing.
> > >
> > > Perhaps a drilled out rivet left a slightly enlarged hole. Use of
> >this
> > > product in addition to a backing plate might give one a little better
> > > piece of mind when you re-rivet it.
> > >
> > > P.S. I am not advocating patching up your mistakes and being
> >comfortable.
> > > You are your own engineer and judge.
> > >
> > > John G. #409
> > > elevator trim tabs completed, difficult access for the rivets at the
> > > control horn.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Verticle Stabilizer |
Hi Group,
As I am part way through the VS I have run into the same problem as I have read
about previously.
Plans say to remove 1/8 inch from VS 1013, VS 1005 and VS 1006 so as not to crease
VS 1001 Vertical stabilizer skin with the point of these mentioned ribs
Now, removing 1/8 has done nothing to solve the problem and at this point I have
taken 1/4 inch off and when assembled and you look down through top of stabilizer
the ribs do not sit flush in front of skin as I would like. It almost seems
like these ribs have not be manufactured correctly.
Can the fronts be re fabricated to change the actual shaper of the rib ?.
Thank you
Paul Walter.
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