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1. 06:28 AM - Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? (Tim Olson)
2. 10:27 AM - Re: Zaon Traffic SystemZaon Traffic System (ajhauter@yahoo.com)
3. 02:34 PM - Re: Zaon Traffic SystemZaon Traffic System (Steve Kean)
4. 03:33 PM - Re: Trim Tab Cable Anchor Bracket (Jeff Dalton)
5. 03:44 PM - Re: Zaon Traffic SystemZaon Traffic System (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
6. 04:54 PM - Trim Cable Anchor Bracket Installation (David Hertner)
7. 05:14 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? (Chris & Kellie Hand)
8. 06:54 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? (NYTerminat@aol.com)
9. 07:54 PM - Re: Trim Tab Cable Anchor Bracket (zackrv8)
10. 08:15 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? (Tim Olson)
11. 10:04 PM - Fuel sender and Pitot mount question (ddddsp1@juno.com)
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| Subject: | Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Can anyone tell me if the Lithium battery is included already in the
remote on the AK-450 ELT? I have the remote unit installed and need
to send someone shopping for batteries for the ELT today and I'm
not sure if I need to send them out for the 1 DL 1/3 NB Lithium AND the
D-Cell batteries, or if the lithium is already in the remote....which
is mounted in a hard to reach area from the back.
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Traffic SystemZaon Traffic System |
Great, simple effective technology, don't need to make it harder
than it is. I don't see why the site seems to keep emphasizing not
intended as a collision avoidance system, except for the obvious fact
that not all aircraft will have the extended transponder mode
available initially. All the key ingredients are there and a lot
more accurate geo-coordinate positioning potential than what you can
get out of Radar directly. I suspect as they gain confidence with
the system that will change.
aj
Time:
09:31:30 AM PST US
Subject:
Zaon Traffic SystemZaon Traffic System
From:
"Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
You're too late - you've just defined part of what ADS-B is . . .
http://www.flyadsb.com/
TDT
40025
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ajhauter@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic SystemZaon Traffic System
Active certainly gives you more control, but passive coverage
looks
pretty good. One way to make both systems much more effective
is to
imbed the aircraft target gps coordinates in the transponder
signal, for
those aircraft that have gps. Very simple approach. Would
provide
much more accurate aircraft tracking not only for aircraft
avoidance but
also for FAA tracking, even more accurate than sophisticated
military
tracking radars can provide.
anyone want to start a business...
aj
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Traffic SystemZaon Traffic System |
ADS-B
If ADS-B is going to replace the transponder interrogation and reply processing
in today's working (albeit line of sight) system, what's to keep the ADS-B
data from being preprogrammed to send out false information?
Transponders provide altitude and proximity data based on tower interrogation and
signal response and strength?. ADS-B apparently supplies digital data on 3D
location, etc. Well anything digital can be recorded and played back. i.e.
spoofed unless digital signature and private key infrastructure are employed to
guarantee the sender is who they say they are, and the packet has not been tampered
with and is coded with the current session key. This is being done today
on the internet for securing transactions requiring session keys, pki certificates,
etc. associated with secure transmission over the internet.
What does the current ADS-B do to guard against spoofing the ADS-B system?
After 911 we don't want to give away a system which is old for one that can be
spoofed...
Remember how Glacier Gale got left on the glacier in the first place...
----- Original Message -----
From: ajhauter@yahoo.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic SystemZaon Traffic System
Great, simple effective technology, don't need to make it harder than it is.
I don't see why the site seems to keep emphasizing not intended as a collision
avoidance system, except for the obvious fact that not all aircraft will have
the extended transponder mode available initially. All the key ingredients
are there and a lot more accurate geo-coordinate positioning potential than
what you can get out of Radar directly. I suspect as they gain confidence with
the system that will change.
aj
Time: 09:31:30 AM PST US
Subject: Zaon Traffic SystemZaon Traffic System
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
You're too late - you've just defined part of what ADS-B is . .
http://www.flyadsb.com/
TDT
40025
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ajhauter@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Zaon Traffic SystemZaon Traffic System
Active certainly gives you more control, but passive coverage looks
pretty good. One way to make both systems much more effective is to
imbed the aircraft target gps coordinates in the transponder signal, for
those aircraft that have gps. Very simple approach. Would provide
much more accurate aircraft tracking not only for aircraft avoidance but
also for FAA tracking, even more accurate than sophisticated military
tracking radars can provide.
anyone want to start a business...
aj
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Cable Anchor Bracket |
Zack,
Is Dave still making these replacement parts? and how can I order a set for my
project?
I saw you referenced a web site in one message. Does he have one?
Jeff
Closing up VS and Rudder
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Czachorowski
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:58 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Trim Tab Cable Anchor Bracket
Guys,
Dave made up some anchor brackets out of 6061 aluminum billet. He copied
the exact angle of Vans W-415 weldment (you know the part with the "tack welded"
nut). Well, I installed the new aluminum bracket onto the elevator yesterday
and it wouldn't fit real nice. Let me explain....The new bracket was drilled
exactly where Vans says to put his w-415. After installing the trim tab cable
to the trim tab and routing the cable thru the forward elevator spar, the
trim tab access cover would not nest in its recess in the elevator without undue
force. The angle of the bracket (25 degrees) made the cable bind when going
thru the forward spar of the elevator.
I doubled checked this with Vans W-415 part. Same thing. Did anyone else
have this problem? Anyway, Dave came out, measured the proper nut angle (15
degrees), and made a new bracket. After installing the new bracket I am happy
to say there is no more binding, thru the full range of motion of the cable,
while it is attached to the trim tab. This thing fits perfect.
Btw, I called Vans and talked to Gus about this. Gus's answer was to re-weld
the nut at the proper angle. I told him I would have someone make up a aluminum
bracket from billet. He said that would be best.
Anyway, I caught this in time and Dave will send out all the brackets to those
who already ordered from Dave, with this new 15 degree nut angle. He just
has to make up new ones.
Zack
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| Subject: | Re: Zaon Traffic SystemZaon Traffic System |
--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
In a message dated 2/4/06 1:29 pm, ajhauter@yahoo.com writes:
<< I don't see why the site seems to keep emphasizing not
intended as a collision avoidance system, >>
Because it only show active participating aircraft with transponders on.
Radar shows more if it is line of sight. No system is pefect.
steve
do not archive
Steve
Port St. Lucie, FL
772-475-5556
Sent from my Treo 600
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| Subject: | Trim Cable Anchor Bracket Installation |
Listers,
I received my two trim cable anchor brackets from Dave the other day via UPS.
Dave provided a great service and I would recommend that you all get your orders
in. This is a great fix to a poorly designed bracket. I just finished replicating
the two cover plates that they attach to. This had to be done because
the bolt pattern is different from the original brackets. It took me about 2
hours to draw and cut them out of the aluminum pieces that came with the emp
kit.
I have decided that I want to be able to remove them from the access cover
so I have dimpled the access cover and countersunk the bottom of the bracket.
I am going to install them using stainless AN507C-632R6 screws with AN365-632
lock nuts. People have commented about the inability to rotate the older nut when
mounted to the access plate. I felt that it would be much easier to adjust
the cable relative to the anchor bracket by spinning the anchor bracket around
the cable. I now have only to remove the cover screws and detach the anchor
bracket from the cover to adjust/service the cable.
I hope this helps.
Dave Hertner
40164 - Emp finished ordering QB balance of kit.
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery |
Included?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris & Kellie Hand" <ckhand@earthlink.net>
I installed mine last weekend and it came with both the D-cell batteries and
remote panel battery already installed.
Chris Hand
RV-6A, finishing kit stages
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
<aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 5:40 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Can anyone tell me if the Lithium battery is included already in the
> remote on the AK-450 ELT? I have the remote unit installed and need
> to send someone shopping for batteries for the ELT today and I'm
> not sure if I need to send them out for the 1 DL 1/3 NB Lithium AND the
> D-Cell batteries, or if the lithium is already in the remote....which
> is mounted in a hard to reach area from the back.
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? |
Lithium battery is in the remote head already. Only need D cells
In a message dated 2/4/2006 8:06:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Tim@MyRV10.com
writes:
Can anyone tell me if the Lithium battery is included already in the
remote on the AK-450 ELT? I have the remote unit installed and need
to send someone shopping for batteries for the ELT today and I'm
not sure if I need to send them out for the 1 DL 1/3 NB Lithium AND the
D-Cell batteries, or if the lithium is already in the remote....which
is mounted in a hard to reach area from the back.
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Cable Anchor Bracket |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Jeff and fellow RV10 builders. Yes, Dave is still making these parts. If fact,
he did a few more (see photos below). Dave is trying to put together an "RV10
Tail Kit". This kit will have many of the harder to make parts such as brackets,
spacers and such. As I work on my tail kit, I ask Dave to make a part.
He programs it on Solid Works and goes to town on the CNC.
Dave is hoping to put the following items in this RV10 Tail Kit Supplement....
Horizontal Stab Attach Brackets (hard to make for the builder so Dave
did it on the CNC with all holes predrilled! This is one bracket that
must be done right because it holds the front spar of the HS Stab to
the fuselage.)
Trim Cable Attach Bracket. The supplied Vans part is a cheap looking
part and binds the trim cable on my plane. Dave has a CNC billet
one that is 3 times stronger with the proper angle.
Pre cut foam blocks. Dave did mine on the CNC and they fit perfect!
CNC milled static air ports. See photo.
CNC cut brackets for the trim motor bracket and cables.
More to come. Call Dave at 302-437-6087. He can answer all questions on parts
and prices.
Zack
#40512 ( tail cone riveting tomorrow! Wings ship next Monday!)
[quote="jdalton77(at)comcast.net"]Zack,
?
Is Dave still making these replacement parts? and how can I order a set for my
project??
?
I saw you referenced a web site in one message.? Does he have one?
?
Jeff
Closing up VS and Rudder
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| Subject: | Re: Ameri-King AK-450 ELT - Remote Battery Included? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Thanks to all who replied. Yes, mine came with a battery
in the remote I found so it's all installed and
ready for a crash. ;)
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
Current section: Final Assembly
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NYTerminat@aol.com wrote:
> Lithium battery is in the remote head already. Only need D cells
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/4/2006 8:06:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
>
> Can anyone tell me if the Lithium battery is included already in the
> remote on the AK-450 ELT? I have the remote unit installed and need
> to send someone shopping for batteries for the ELT today and I'm
> not sure if I need to send them out for the 1 DL 1/3 NB Lithium AND the
> D-Cell batteries, or if the lithium is already in the remote....which
> is mounted in a hard to reach area from the back.
>
>
> --
> Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Fuel sender and Pitot mount question |
Looking for suggestions on inspecting the fuel senders to verify they are moving
freely all the way up and down in the tank. I have quickbuild wings and did
not have the luxury of installing them before finishing the fuel tank. I believe
they are hitting the stiffener and not going up between the fuel vent line
and stiffener............thus not going UP completely. This would show a tank
less than FULL. Any ideas?
I also have a Dynon pitot mount bracket/pitot. It is angled to go under the lip
of the wing spar with 3 rivots. I am also running angle aluminum 90 degrees
to the front lip along the bottom skin spar............is it recommended to use
a doubler plate like the GRETZ model also? Appears to be very sturdy without
a doubler plate. If any one has pics of their Dynon bracket mounted I would
enjoy seeing them.
Thanks,
DEAN
Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
Looking for suggestions on inspecting the fuel senders to verify they are moving
freely all the way up and down in the tank. I have quickbuild wings and did
not have the luxury of installing them before finishing the fuel tank. I believe
they are hitting the stiffener and not going up between the fuel vent line
and stiffener............thus not going UP completely. This would show a tank
less than FULL. Any ideas?
I also have a Dynon pitot mount bracket/pitot. It is angled to go under the lip
of the wing spar with 3 rivots.I am also running angle aluminum 90 degrees to
the front lip along the bottom skin spar............is it recommended to use
a doubler plate like the GRETZ model also? Appears to be very sturdy without a
doubler plate. If any one has pics of their Dynon bracket mounted I would enjoy
seeing them.
Thanks,
DEAN
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