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1. 05:31 PM - GRT EIS tip for RV-10 fuel Floats (Tim Olson)
2. 05:31 PM - Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (Tim Olson)
3. 05:39 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (McGANN, Ron)
4. 05:40 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (James Hein)
5. 05:57 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (greerdans@aol.com)
6. 05:57 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (John W. Cox)
7. 05:59 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (Dj Merrill)
8. 06:41 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (Rick S.)
9. 06:41 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (David Hertner)
10. 06:47 PM - Re: Plans Section 26 and 29 - dimpling (Rick S.)
11. 07:16 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (Tim Olson)
12. 07:29 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (Marcus Cooper)
13. 07:43 PM - DAR inspection comments - some tips (Tim Olson)
14. 08:20 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (Robert G. Wright)
15. 08:29 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (John Jessen)
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| Subject: | GRT EIS tip for RV-10 fuel Floats |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I wanted to pass along this tip so that those of you with the same
EIS as me (the GRT EIS6000 that is for the Chelton) don't have to
have the same issue I had....minor, but inconvenient.
When you set up your EIS, you set it to read each aux input in
either a forward or reverse direction. By default, my unit was
set to forward. I did my fuel tank calibration, and my
fuel quantities counted down while filling the tanks. I didn't
fully understand what the readings were supposed to be doing, but
when I got done I did. As it turns out, you'll want to have
the EIS set to reverse sensing before you start the calibration.
This is all in regards to using the Van's float sensors. I don't
know what capacitance sensors would do.
Also, there's a tip on doing the calibration so that you're
not stuck like I am with 2 full tanks and nowhere to put the
gas when you do the cal. Fill one tank at a time, and when
you're done with the first tank, drain the gas and use it to
fill the other side. Then if it all comes out, you're done, and
if it doesn't, just start over on the first.
Hope that saves some time and hassle...
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Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
Today was my lucky day. I have to pass on the news that RV-10
N104CD took to the air for it's first flight this afternoon.
The takeoff was amazing, and once off the ground that IO-540 kicked
me in the pants with it's acceleration. This was a definite difference
from what I saw with N220RV. Within what seemed like seconds I was at
3500' AGL, as I was climbing at 2200 fpm. It flew absolutely
hands-off, with no need for aileron or rudder trim, although aileron
trim is installed on the plane. I flew some lazy circles around the
airport and then decided that I needed to show my face to the crowd
that had come in support today.
I set up for my first landing, slowed it down and put her gently
back on the runway for a completely non-eventful landing, just
the way it should be. I had to take it back up one more time
just to waste the rest of the daylight, and I put over an hour on
it for the day. There's no wheel pants on it yet, so I don't
have any good speed numbers for you, but I know I was over 150 KTS
for the flight (no mph for this guy).
The Chelton system worked great, and when I turned on the Autopilot
it flew using both GPSS and GPSV and tracked a course to the airport
chosen on the EFIS.
I'll now have to spend the next few hours getting some of the
instrument calibrations perfected, and finishing up those wheel pants
for our upcoming trip to Sun-N-Fun in Florida.
Just wanted to pass on the news!
Tim
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Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
Congratulations Tim! I can still only dream . . .
Ron
187 fuse
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, 13 February 2006 11:56 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006
Today was my lucky day. I have to pass on the news that RV-10
N104CD took to the air for it's first flight this afternoon.
The takeoff was amazing, and once off the ground that IO-540 kicked
me in the pants with it's acceleration. This was a definite difference
from what I saw with N220RV. Within what seemed like seconds I was at
3500' AGL, as I was climbing at 2200 fpm. It flew absolutely
hands-off, with no need for aileron or rudder trim, although aileron
trim is installed on the plane. I flew some lazy circles around the
airport and then decided that I needed to show my face to the crowd
that had come in support today.
I set up for my first landing, slowed it down and put her gently
back on the runway for a completely non-eventful landing, just
the way it should be. I had to take it back up one more time
just to waste the rest of the daylight, and I put over an hour on
it for the day. There's no wheel pants on it yet, so I don't
have any good speed numbers for you, but I know I was over 150 KTS
for the flight (no mph for this guy).
The Chelton system worked great, and when I turned on the Autopilot
it flew using both GPSS and GPSV and tracked a course to the airport
chosen on the EFIS.
I'll now have to spend the next few hours getting some of the
instrument calibrations perfected, and finishing up those wheel pants
for our upcoming trip to Sun-N-Fun in Florida.
Just wanted to pass on the news!
Tim
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Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Congrats Tim!
I suppose we won't be hearing much from you in the next 25 hours, eh? ;)
-Jim 40384
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Tim Olson wrote:
> Today was my lucky day. I have to pass on the news that RV-10
> N104CD took to the air for it's first flight this afternoon.
>
> The takeoff was amazing, and once off the ground that IO-540 kicked
> me in the pants with it's acceleration. This was a definite difference
> from what I saw with N220RV. Within what seemed like seconds I was at
> 3500' AGL, as I was climbing at 2200 fpm. It flew absolutely
> hands-off, with no need for aileron or rudder trim, although aileron
> trim is installed on the plane. I flew some lazy circles around the
> airport and then decided that I needed to show my face to the crowd
> that had come in support today.
>
> I set up for my first landing, slowed it down and put her gently
> back on the runway for a completely non-eventful landing, just
> the way it should be. I had to take it back up one more time
> just to waste the rest of the daylight, and I put over an hour on
> it for the day. There's no wheel pants on it yet, so I don't
> have any good speed numbers for you, but I know I was over 150 KTS
> for the flight (no mph for this guy).
>
> The Chelton system worked great, and when I turned on the Autopilot
> it flew using both GPSS and GPSV and tracked a course to the airport
> chosen on the EFIS.
>
> I'll now have to spend the next few hours getting some of the
> instrument calibrations perfected, and finishing up those wheel pants
> for our upcoming trip to Sun-N-Fun in Florida.
>
> Just wanted to pass on the news!
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
Congratulations Tim!
I hope to get down to Sun-N-Fun to get a look at your 10. When you know your schedule
let us know.
Enjoy flying off the hours.
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:26:20 -0600
Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006
Today was my lucky day. I have to pass on the news that RV-10
N104CD took to the air for it's first flight this afternoon.
The takeoff was amazing, and once off the ground that IO-540 kicked
me in the pants with it's acceleration. This was a definite difference
from what I saw with N220RV. Within what seemed like seconds I was at 3500' AGL,
as I was climbing at 2200 fpm. It flew absolutely hands-off, with no need for
aileron or rudder trim, although aileron
trim is installed on the plane. I flew some lazy circles around the
airport and then decided that I needed to show my face to the crowd
that had come in support today.
I set up for my first landing, slowed it down and put her gently
back on the runway for a completely non-eventful landing, just
the way it should be. I had to take it back up one more time
just to waste the rest of the daylight, and I put over an hour on
it for the day. There's no wheel pants on it yet, so I don't
have any good speed numbers for you, but I know I was over 150 KTS
for the flight (no mph for this guy).
The Chelton system worked great, and when I turned on the Autopilot
it flew using both GPSS and GPSV and tracked a course to the airport
chosen on the EFIS.
I'll now have to spend the next few hours getting some of the
instrument calibrations perfected, and finishing up those wheel pants
for our upcoming trip to Sun-N-Fun in Florida.
Just wanted to pass on the news!
Tim
-- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Thanks for sharing the journey (both literally and figurative).
John Cox - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 5:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006
Today was my lucky day. I have to pass on the news that RV-10
N104CD took to the air for it's first flight this afternoon.
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
Tim Olson wrote:
> Today was my lucky day. I have to pass on the news that RV-10
> N104CD took to the air for it's first flight this afternoon.
Congratulations!!!! :-)
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rick S." <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Congrats Tim!!
No Munchkin stowaways were there?
:P
--------
Rick S.
RV-10
40185
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11746#11746
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| Subject: | Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David Hertner" <effectus@rogers.com>
Tim,
It's a GREAT day when another RV-10 takes to the skies!!
Congratulations to you, your wife and kids. We look forward to the day when
we can post great news such as this.
Thanks for all your hard work in helping make the building experience easier
for all of us.
Dave Hertner
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| Subject: | Re: Plans Section 26 and 29 - dimpling |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rick S." <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Jeez...I finished these this week and it was a pain. [Rolling Eyes] I Csunk the
middle verticle row, used the squeezer on the top row then rounded my pop rivet
die so it fit in the flange for the bottom. turned out OK, the one rivet at
the rear spar I used a rivet and hit it with a sucide rivet set with a female
dimple die on the back side held in vise grips...worked but I would not want
to chance that method to often for fear of slipping off and poking a new hole.
[Shocked] What about the one lower hole left undimpled in the rib just aft
of that? I could not find where that was to get dimpled although it has to. For
you guys doing these ribs now, drill and dimple them before you install them,
it will save you a ton of time.
--------
Rick S.
RV-10
40185
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=11749#11749
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| Subject: | Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Thanks everyone for all of your replies. Jim, I hope that during my
flyoff I won't disappoint by being too far away from the list. I
have to get cracking on the wheel pants for SNF, because I can tell
right now that they make a huge difference in top speed. I'm going to
work as short as I can each day, fly all the rest of the daylight
hours on the good days, and do wheel pants at night and on the bad
days. My new goal is to get the wheel pants done by March 10. I
find I work better with timeline goals.
That's actually a good tip for some builders. In the past 2 weeks,
I resurrected my "Left to do" spreadsheet and it REALLY came in handy
for both motivation and preventing forgetfulness. Basically,
I listed each remaining item to do, along with an expected timeline
for each item. I categorized them as Pre-inspection, Pre-Flight,
and Post-Flying. I tried to slightly overestimate the time of each
task, and when I got it done, I deleted it. It's not practical
for a builder who's still working on the early kit sections, unless
maybe you list each kit section as a task. It did give me a place
to organize my tasks though, so I would remember they needed to be
done. In the final assembly stage, I think this is real important.
Also, as I said above, I think a timeline goal is a good thing.
I had a month or two that I either didn't work at all, or only
put in a few hours. That won't get you completed. If you put
timeline goals on sections, and for the project, you'll work
harder to get to it. My original first flight date has been March
1st starting at about December. I knew I needed about a month for
fly-off for SNF, so that's how I set it. Once I started the
spreadsheet up though, and got completely dedicated, things came
together quick. Even as recent as maybe 1/30/06, when I moved
to the airport, I had my date of 3/1/06 targeted...but having
that spreadsheet in front of me made me stay long nights
at the hanger, and to my huge surprise, it cut my time drastically.
I again want to thank everyone on the list for their replies of
congratulations, but also for your help and support over the past
2 years. Without this group, building is not only less fun, but
much harder. It's all of YOUR tips that helped me build MY project,
and that's why I put the website up...to help future builders get some
tips so that they can complete THEIR project easier. I'll try to
improve it even more after I get more "done" with the project, so
the information base can then grow more broad.
Also, if you have your own site and want it linked, make sure
you drop me an email...I'm happy to do that. If you don't have a site,
or time to build one, but have great tips or photos of how you did
something, shrink them to 1024x768 and email them to me and I'll
stick them on the site for others to view.
Thanks again,
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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David Hertner wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "David Hertner" <effectus@rogers.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> It's a GREAT day when another RV-10 takes to the skies!!
> Congratulations to you, your wife and kids. We look forward to the day
> when we can post great news such as this.
>
> Thanks for all your hard work in helping make the building experience
> easier for all of us.
>
> Dave Hertner
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Tim,
Congratulations! Sounds like the ideal first flights. Your progress and
website have been an inspiration and invaluable source, just please don't
stop now!
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006
Today was my lucky day. I have to pass on the news that RV-10
N104CD took to the air for it's first flight this afternoon.
The takeoff was amazing, and once off the ground that IO-540 kicked
me in the pants with it's acceleration. This was a definite difference
from what I saw with N220RV. Within what seemed like seconds I was at
3500' AGL, as I was climbing at 2200 fpm. It flew absolutely
hands-off, with no need for aileron or rudder trim, although aileron
trim is installed on the plane. I flew some lazy circles around the
airport and then decided that I needed to show my face to the crowd
that had come in support today.
I set up for my first landing, slowed it down and put her gently
back on the runway for a completely non-eventful landing, just
the way it should be. I had to take it back up one more time
just to waste the rest of the daylight, and I put over an hour on
it for the day. There's no wheel pants on it yet, so I don't
have any good speed numbers for you, but I know I was over 150 KTS
for the flight (no mph for this guy).
The Chelton system worked great, and when I turned on the Autopilot
it flew using both GPSS and GPSV and tracked a course to the airport
chosen on the EFIS.
I'll now have to spend the next few hours getting some of the
instrument calibrations perfected, and finishing up those wheel pants
for our upcoming trip to Sun-N-Fun in Florida.
Just wanted to pass on the news!
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | DAR inspection comments - some tips |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Now that I'm done with my DAR inspection, I would like to quick pass on
the things that the DAR commented on regarding the inspection and the
kit. It was his first RV inspection, so he learned a bit too. He's
a Cirrus factory DAR, and he flew down in an SR-22, which of course
has a similar N-Number. N109CD....while I'm N104CD. It seems that even
though they managed to buy up most of the "CD"'s that I snuck one out.
C and D are my kids initials, in case you're wondering. But anyway...
I only had one ding on the inspection. Those flex fuel lines that I
used....with my 45 degree fittings on the tank, which I do like how
they route that way, puts the fuel line running right past that
snap bushing hole in the bottom of the wing root fairings. This
causes the fuel line to lay next to the fuel vent tube. I didn't have
any separation, and he wanted to see some. I could either use zip-ties
to stand them off, or what I did was great he said, which was to just
squeeze in some red Hi-Temp RTV, which dries really quick. That
was it for the dings...fixed in 30 seconds.
Then he had some questions and suggestions.
1) Rudder Pedal Cables - He had noticed the rudder cable was very
slack. On the RV-10 of course, there is no tension on the rudder
cables unless you push them. You push one pedal and it pulls the
other pedal in due to the rudder movement. Apparently on a Cirrus,
they have a similar setup, but in order to ensure that you can't
pull the pedals backwards and jam,twist, or wrap a cable on something,
they take the 2 inside pedals and hook a spring to the firewall area.
That gives the pedals a positive return and keeps the cable taught.
After flying it, I see no reason we'd need this, but actually, it
would be a good though. He said ours is an "open loop" system, and
adding those would help to make it more "closed loop". Good catch
for him, but all I had to do was educate him as to how RV's are
constructed.
2) On pushrods such as the flap pushrod, and aileron pushrods, where
you thread in a rod-end bearing, he thought that it would have been
a good idea to drill "witness" holes. Just small holes in the rod
that are far enough back so you can verify the rod end isn't just
about to unthread and fall out. He didn't mind that I didn't have
them, but he suggested it...and in my opinion, that was a great
suggestion. You may want to incorporate that into yours.
3) Nyloc fasteners on control surfaces - Whenever you're fastening
something that rotates, like the elevator hinge bolts, and the
rudder/flaps/ailerons, they prefer to not see Nyloc fastener nuts.
In their opinion, just like your rudder cables are connected, you
should be using a castle nut and a drilled bolt, with a cotter
pin. I've heard this before, and it does make sense...even though
a Nyloc should be locked and stay locked, if it got sticky, when
you move the control back and forth, it could cause the nut to
work loose over time. He reminded me of that Cirrus crash in
Texas where after maintenance the aileron came off. Apparently
that was caused by something similar...or at least by the hinge
bolt falling out.
So that was about it. Everything else pretty much got great reviews
from the EAA Tech Counselor visits (3) that I had (Thanks Gary, by
the way), and the DAR. Gary did find one thing on his visit too...
If you look at the bellcrank tubes on the wings...those end bearings
that have the bolt stems coming out the ends...in my case and probably
yours, the nuts specified left no threads outside the nyloc nut. It
would probably never cause a problem, but it's best to just fix it
by using a thinner nut type in that area....which is what I did.
Hopefully these tips may help some of you get yours past your DAR
with the same ease.
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
Tim, definite congratulations. I'm just now only done with the tailcone and
feel like I see light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for keeping me, and
I'm sure all of us, enlightened and focused!
Rob
#392
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006
Today was my lucky day. I have to pass on the news that RV-10
N104CD took to the air for it's first flight this afternoon.
The takeoff was amazing, and once off the ground that IO-540 kicked
me in the pants with it's acceleration. This was a definite difference
from what I saw with N220RV. Within what seemed like seconds I was at
3500' AGL, as I was climbing at 2200 fpm. It flew absolutely
hands-off, with no need for aileron or rudder trim, although aileron
trim is installed on the plane. I flew some lazy circles around the
airport and then decided that I needed to show my face to the crowd
that had come in support today.
I set up for my first landing, slowed it down and put her gently
back on the runway for a completely non-eventful landing, just
the way it should be. I had to take it back up one more time
just to waste the rest of the daylight, and I put over an hour on
it for the day. There's no wheel pants on it yet, so I don't
have any good speed numbers for you, but I know I was over 150 KTS
for the flight (no mph for this guy).
The Chelton system worked great, and when I turned on the Autopilot
it flew using both GPSS and GPSV and tracked a course to the airport
chosen on the EFIS.
I'll now have to spend the next few hours getting some of the
instrument calibrations perfected, and finishing up those wheel pants
for our upcoming trip to Sun-N-Fun in Florida.
Just wanted to pass on the news!
Tim
--
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Yes!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006
Today was my lucky day. I have to pass on the news that RV-10 N104CD took
to the air for it's first flight this afternoon.
The takeoff was amazing, and once off the ground that IO-540 kicked me in
the pants with it's acceleration. This was a definite difference from what
I saw with N220RV. Within what seemed like seconds I was at 3500' AGL, as I
was climbing at 2200 fpm. It flew absolutely hands-off, with no need for
aileron or rudder trim, although aileron
trim is installed on the plane. I flew some lazy circles around the
airport and then decided that I needed to show my face to the crowd that had
come in support today.
I set up for my first landing, slowed it down and put her gently back on the
runway for a completely non-eventful landing, just
the way it should be. I had to take it back up one more time
just to waste the rest of the daylight, and I put over an hour on it for the
day. There's no wheel pants on it yet, so I don't have any good speed
numbers for you, but I know I was over 150 KTS for the flight (no mph for
this guy).
The Chelton system worked great, and when I turned on the Autopilot it flew
using both GPSS and GPSV and tracked a course to the airport chosen on the
EFIS.
I'll now have to spend the next few hours getting some of the instrument
calibrations perfected, and finishing up those wheel pants for our upcoming
trip to Sun-N-Fun in Florida.
Just wanted to pass on the news!
Tim
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Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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