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1. 03:20 AM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (Russell Daves)
2. 04:07 AM - Re: gascolator (Tim Olson)
3. 04:11 AM - Re: Painting (Tim Olson)
4. 04:24 AM - Parking Brake Valve (Neal George)
5. 04:31 AM - Re: gascolator (David McNeill)
6. 05:39 AM - Re: Painting (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 07:28 AM - visors (Evan and Megan Johnson)
8. 08:07 AM - Re: visors (Tim Olson)
9. 09:15 AM - Re: visors (Deems Davis)
10. 09:15 AM - Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts (Tim Olson)
11. 09:33 AM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06 ()
12. 09:45 AM - Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
13. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06 (Christopher Stanley)
14. 09:51 AM - Engine alternative? (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
15. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06 (John Jessen)
16. 10:15 AM - Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts (Tim Olson)
17. 10:26 AM - Vernier vs. Quadrant observations (Tim Olson)
18. 10:36 AM - Re: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
19. 10:39 AM - Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts (John Gonzalez)
20. 10:57 AM - Re: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations (John Jessen)
21. 11:05 AM - Re: Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06 (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
22. 11:15 AM - Re: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations (Tim Olson)
23. 11:15 AM - Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts (John Hasbrouck)
24. 11:16 AM - Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts (Tim Olson)
25. 11:20 AM - Re: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations (Tim Olson)
26. 11:50 AM - Re: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
27. 12:11 PM - Re: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations (Tim Olson)
28. 01:00 PM - Re: Engine alternative? (John Gonzalez)
29. 01:12 PM - Re: Engine alternative? (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
30. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06 ()
31. 02:15 PM - Engine Run-in (John Dunne)
32. 02:16 PM - Re: Engine alternative? (John Gonzalez)
33. 02:26 PM - Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts (Bruce Patton)
34. 02:29 PM - Re: Engine alternative? (Chuck Jensen)
35. 02:31 PM - Re: Engine Run-in (Joe Trampota)
36. 03:30 PM - Re: visors (Jim Wade)
37. 03:52 PM - Videos (James Hein)
38. 04:15 PM - Re: Videos (Tim Olson)
39. 04:18 PM - Re: Engine alternative? (Eric Large)
40. 04:24 PM - Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts (Mark Chamberlain)
41. 04:29 PM - Re: Engine alternative? (Gary Specketer)
42. 04:43 PM - Re: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations (John W. Cox)
43. 04:53 PM - Re: Videos (bruce breckenridge)
44. 06:45 PM - Hooker 5-point harnesses (Bill and Tami Britton)
45. 07:15 PM - Re: Hooker 5-point harnesses (Tim Olson)
46. 07:18 PM - Re: Hooker 5-point harnesses (Robert G. Wright)
47. 07:19 PM - Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 (John Testement)
48. 07:31 PM - Re: Hooker 5-point harnesses (John Jessen)
49. 07:41 PM - Re: Hooker 5-point harnesses (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
50. 08:25 PM - Re: Engine alternative? (bob.kaufmann)
51. 08:42 PM - Re: Hooker 5-point harnesses (Tim Olson)
52. 09:11 PM - Re: Engine alternative? (bob.kaufmann)
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| Subject: | Re: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006
Way to go Tim!! Hopefully the GRT panel displayed next to yours at OSH 2005
will also fly later this spring.
Russ Daves
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
From the fuel valve forward, I did everything per-plans. I never
really got any water out of the forward sump on previous planes.
Usually just the wing sumps. Hopefully that will continue.
I guess you can always add it, but I just don't know if it's
worth the effort or not. I suppose it's a bad thing to find out
the hard way though.
Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
#40170
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GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote:
> I'm trying to find a gascolator that has remote cable operation for the
> drain.
>
> Anyone found one that works on the -10 with IO-540?
>
> Tim, what did you use??
>
> grumpy #40404
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I found the PRE-painting process to be long, tedious, and miserable.
I found the painting process to be pretty interesting, and fun,
and a good learning experience. If I could do it all over again, I'd
be happy to do it the same way I did...get someone you can pay on the
side to help do your sanding, filling, and that tough work. You'll
pay a LOT for a paint job if you need all that stuff done by someone
else anyway. Then when it comes time to spray, it shouldn't be too
hard to find someone who can give you a hand, and the process is pretty
quick. I even did the colors in my 3 car pole shed garage, with no
filters, just fans in the door. (It was cold out though, so it was
NOT the buggy season.) From a dust perspective, it wasn't bad
and the results were satisfactory.
I guess it all depends. If I were going for a show plane, I'd have
pros do it, but then I'd expect to pay $10,000+. For anything
less, you're going to pay a lot of money that you'll save if you
do it yourself.
Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
#40170
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Brian Sponcil wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil" <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
>
>
> Anyone on the list planning to paint their -10? I'm currently debating
> it and am wondering what others thought. I'm not considering it as a
> way to save money but rather as a "fun" challenge. Of course the wife
> thinks I'm nuts and I probably am. Still, I'm wondering if there are
> some people on our list that have painted a previous RV-<insert 3-9
> here> project and would like to pass on their opinions.
>
> FWIW - a guy in our EAA chapter just finished his -7 which he painted
> himself in a 4 color military scheme. He was really happy with the way
> it turned out but said painting was a LONG and TEDIOUS process and he'd
> probably elect to forgo it if he ever does another project.
>
>
>
> -Brian
>
> N211BD
> #40497
>
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| Subject: | Parking Brake Valve |
Gentlemen -
I have a Matco PV-1 Parking Brake Valve from Van's that I have decided
not to use.
New, in the box, never been mounted.
$110 delivered.
Neal (at) appaero (dot) com
Neal (dot) george (at) Maxwell (do) af (dot) mil
244 Andrews Street
Maxwell AFB, AL 36113
Home - 334-262-8993
Cell - 334-546-2033
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
As an additional reference , early in the life on my 76 Cardinal RG
(purchased December 76) the FAA mandated a gascolator in the engine
compartment. This was in addition to wing sumps and tank sumps below the
forward seats. In 28 years of ownership I never found water anywhere but
wing sumps. So after the first year I stopped draining the below seat sumps
and later I no longer drained the firewall sump. The only benefit the
additional sumps provided were additional Orings to change every few years.
My Glastar has been flying three years without water any where and only wing
sumps.
Over the years I have found significant water only 2 times. Both times the
FBO who fueled the airplane was almost certainly to blame. Another reason to
fuel and wait a few minutes to sump after fueling.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: gascolator
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> From the fuel valve forward, I did everything per-plans. I never
> really got any water out of the forward sump on previous planes.
> Usually just the wing sumps. Hopefully that will continue.
> I guess you can always add it, but I just don't know if it's
> worth the effort or not. I suppose it's a bad thing to find out
> the hard way though.
>
> Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
> #40170
> do not archive
>
>
> GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote:
>> I'm trying to find a gascolator that has remote cable operation for the
>> drain.
>> Anyone found one that works on the -10 with IO-540?
>> Tim, what did you use??
>> grumpy #40404
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
>
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I am a firm believer that a good paint job is 95% preparation and 5% shooting
the paint. The big factor in an amateur having a good paint job is where they
get tired of the prep work and say screw it. You can always fix sags and runs
but it's much more difficult to fix the underlying base. For me preparation
includes not only the surface but the tools and location. If you have a poor
quality gun you will have to be a much better painter to compensate. If your
space is dirty you will have much more final sanding and buffing. If you use
dirty air lines you will get fisheyes and other defects.
I am dedicating an air hose to nothing but painting. When it is not needed it
will be rolled up and stored with the gun. I am also going to use a SATAJet
RP2 Gun and will have 3 stage filtering on the air line prior to that hose.
I will also be making a paint booth either from scratch or using something like
the 10x20 car port that Northern Tools sells for something like $150 with sides
and a zippered front.
Painting your own airplane shouldn't seem like a brick barrier, after all you
just built an aircraft. Just don't expect it to take a day to do it. Anyone
can accomplish a show quality paint job it just may take more work than the guy
that does it every day. Prep is what you are really paying for in that $10k
paintjob.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Painting
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I found the PRE-painting process to be long, tedious, and miserable.
I found the painting process to be pretty interesting, and fun, and a good learning
experience. If I could do it all over again, I'd be happy to do it the same
way I did...get someone you can pay on the
side to help do your sanding, filling, and that tough work. You'll
pay a LOT for a paint job if you need all that stuff done by someone else anyway.
Then when it comes time to spray, it shouldn't be too hard to find someone
who can give you a hand, and the process is pretty quick. I even did the colors
in my 3 car pole shed garage, with no filters, just fans in the door. (It
was cold out though, so it was NOT the buggy season.) From a dust perspective,
it wasn't bad and the results were satisfactory.
I guess it all depends. If I were going for a show plane, I'd have
pros do it, but then I'd expect to pay $10,000+. For anything
less, you're going to pay a lot of money that you'll save if you do it yourself.
Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
#40170
do not archive
Brian Sponcil wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Brian Sponcil"
> --> <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
>
>
> Anyone on the list planning to paint their -10? I'm currently
> debating it and am wondering what others thought. I'm not considering
> it as a way to save money but rather as a "fun" challenge. Of course
> the wife thinks I'm nuts and I probably am. Still, I'm wondering if
> there are some people on our list that have painted a previous
> RV-<insert 3-9
> here> project and would like to pass on their opinions.
>
> FWIW - a guy in our EAA chapter just finished his -7 which he painted
> himself in a 4 color military scheme. He was really happy with the way
> it turned out but said painting was a LONG and TEDIOUS process and
> he'd probably elect to forgo it if he ever does another project.
>
>
> -Brian
>
> N211BD
> #40497
>
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Has anybody come up with a good way of installing sun visors? ....Maybe they are
just not necessary in the RV 10 but I sure use them a lot in my C-150 so it
seems likely I will want them. I will be installing my roof section in a couple
of weeks and got to thinking about this just because I have been looking at
that thing.....I cant wait to get it out of my way and on the airplane where it
belongs.
Cheers...
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You read my mind Evan. Just last evening while flying around in the
setting sun, I thought to myself "Man, this thing really needs
sunvisors." Mounting them shouldn't be too bad, because you
can probably just screw them into the thick part of the canopy, but
there might have to be some engineering as to the angles that the
visors are attached and how they move.
I'll be trying to figure something out soon, but if others find
a good solution, post it here.
--
Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
#40170
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Evan and Megan Johnson wrote:
> Has anybody come up with a good way of installing sun visors? ....Maybe
> they are just not necessary in the RV 10 but I sure use them a lot in my
> C-150 so it seems likely I will want them. I will be installing my roof
> section in a couple of weeks and got to thinking about this just because
> I have been looking at that thing.....I cant wait to get it out of my
> way and on the airplane where it belongs.
> Cheers...
> Evan Johnson
> www.evansaviationproducts.com <http://www.evansaviationproducts.com>
> (530)247-0375
> (530)351-1776 cell
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Rosen makes a great 3 axis articulating visor that I installed on my
Bonanza and Baron, they work great and should be easy to install. They
are a bit pricey, This would be a GREAT opportunity for someone with a
machine shop capability to produce something for the RV-10 (Zack????),
the components are not complex, just require some precision machining,
and the plexi is relatively cheap.
Deems
Finishing wings, Starting Fuse
#406
http://deemsrv10.com/
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> You read my mind Evan. Just last evening while flying around in the
> setting sun, I thought to myself "Man, this thing really needs
> sunvisors." Mounting them shouldn't be too bad, because you
> can probably just screw them into the thick part of the canopy, but
> there might have to be some engineering as to the angles that the
> visors are attached and how they move.
>
> I'll be trying to figure something out soon, but if others find
> a good solution, post it here.
> --
> Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
> #40170
> do not archive
>
>
> Evan and Megan Johnson wrote:
>
>> Has anybody come up with a good way of installing sun visors?
>> ....Maybe they are just not necessary in the RV 10 but I sure use
>> them a lot in my C-150 so it seems likely I will want them. I will be
>> installing my roof section in a couple of weeks and got to thinking
>> about this just because I have been looking at that thing.....I cant
>> wait to get it out of my way and on the airplane where it belongs.
>> Cheers...
>> Evan Johnson
>> www.evansaviationproducts.com <http://www.evansaviationproducts.com>
>> (530)247-0375
>> (530)351-1776 cell
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
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| Subject: | Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
With the recently released SB on the VS, I got to thinking
about what to do. I didn't know if I wanted to drill rivets
on the new paint and try to repair it, or if I should just
rebuild the whole thing. Being the first part a builder
builds, I know I had the nose rib ding, and another ding
on the rear from the rivet gun, more on the spar. Talking
to a couple other builders, we pondered the cost of a VS.
Today I gathered the remaining items I needed on a list
to find the total cost, which you'll see below is $222.48.
(You may have to buy the small new doubler plate...would
be dirt cheap)
I'm not sure if I'll repair or rebuild. The benefits of
the rebuild are that I have better skills than before,
and I can build and paint the new VS and then swap it in
when I'm ready in a very short time. The benefit of
the repair is the cost. Tom from Van's said they
didn't even have to repaint theirs, but I would imagine
that most builders would end up spot repairing the rivets.
I'm more worried about what would happen if I made a mistake
on the repair. It would take me a bit longer to fix, and if
I damaged something, I'd be downed for a couple weeks
until I could repair or rebuild.
Tim
------------------------------------------------------
Vertical Stab Parts
$79.20 VS-1001 Skin
$13.91 VS-1002 Front Spar
$22.50 VS-1003 Rear Spar
$8.45 VS-1004 Bottom Inspar Rib
$5.33 VS-1005 Bottom Nose Rib
$6.61 VS-1006 Top Rib
$6.99 VS-1007 Middle Inspar Rib
$15.00 VS-1008 Rear Spar Doubler
$25.75 VS-1009 VS Tip Fairing
$4.95 VS-1010 Bottom Rudder Hinge Bracket
$4.00 VS-1011 Middle Rudder Hinge Bracket
$3.90 VS-1012 Top Rudder Hinge Bracket
$5.24 VS-1013 Middle Nose Rib
$15.40 VS-1014 Rear Spar Cap (**2 Req)
$1.75 VS-1015 Doubler
FREE VS-1017 Doubler from SB-06-2-3
$3.50 R-1007 Rudder Stop
$222.48 Total
--
Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
#40170
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06 |
I just joined yesterday. Ken Scott took my wife and I up in the RV-10
last Saturday and we are planning to order the kit this fall. Until then,
is there an RV-10 builder in the greater Seattle area that I can connect
with to see his project and assist?
Skip Feher
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| Subject: | Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Congrats on the Flying, and you need to change your Signature, it has
been tradition that we all include our builder number until we fly, and
now that you fall into that flying category (I am so Jealous) you need
to change from your builder number to your tail number plus hours!!!!
Should read about 10 hours by now right?
Dan 40269...and still pounding rivets!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
With the recently released SB on the VS, I got to thinking
about what to do. I didn't know if I wanted to drill rivets
on the new paint and try to repair it, or if I should just
rebuild the whole thing. Being the first part a builder
builds, I know I had the nose rib ding, and another ding
on the rear from the rivet gun, more on the spar. Talking
to a couple other builders, we pondered the cost of a VS.
Today I gathered the remaining items I needed on a list
to find the total cost, which you'll see below is $222.48.
(You may have to buy the small new doubler plate...would
be dirt cheap)
I'm not sure if I'll repair or rebuild. The benefits of
the rebuild are that I have better skills than before,
and I can build and paint the new VS and then swap it in
when I'm ready in a very short time. The benefit of
the repair is the cost. Tom from Van's said they
didn't even have to repaint theirs, but I would imagine
that most builders would end up spot repairing the rivets.
I'm more worried about what would happen if I made a mistake
on the repair. It would take me a bit longer to fix, and if
I damaged something, I'd be downed for a couple weeks
until I could repair or rebuild.
Tim
------------------------------------------------------
Vertical Stab Parts
$79.20 VS-1001 Skin
$13.91 VS-1002 Front Spar
$22.50 VS-1003 Rear Spar
$8.45 VS-1004 Bottom Inspar Rib
$5.33 VS-1005 Bottom Nose Rib
$6.61 VS-1006 Top Rib
$6.99 VS-1007 Middle Inspar Rib
$15.00 VS-1008 Rear Spar Doubler
$25.75 VS-1009 VS Tip Fairing
$4.95 VS-1010 Bottom Rudder Hinge Bracket
$4.00 VS-1011 Middle Rudder Hinge Bracket
$3.90 VS-1012 Top Rudder Hinge Bracket
$5.24 VS-1013 Middle Nose Rib
$15.40 VS-1014 Rear Spar Cap (**2 Req)
$1.75 VS-1015 Doubler
FREE VS-1017 Doubler from SB-06-2-3
$3.50 R-1007 Rudder Stop
$222.48 Total
--
Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
#40170
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06 |
Van's keeps a list of all the RV-10 owners by city and state. They'll send
you a copy if you ask.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06
I just joined yesterday. Ken Scott took my wife and I up in the RV-10 last
Saturday and we are planning to order the kit this fall. Until then, is
there an RV-10 builder in the greater Seattle area that I can connect with
to see his project and assist?
Skip Feher
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| Subject: | Engine alternative? |
Is Eric Large of Holland, MI on the list? I heard a third-hand rumor
that you're exploring a new engine alternative. Care to share info with
the list?
TDT
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06 |
Welcome!
Bunch of us around Portland, and I'm sure you'll find Seattle area folks,
but in the meantime, have you tried this:
http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
Not all 600 are on it, obviously, but many.
John Jessen
~328 (Tailcone)
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_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
shfeher@rockwellcollins.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06
I just joined yesterday. Ken Scott took my wife and I up in the RV-10 last
Saturday and we are planning to order the kit this fall. Until then, is
there an RV-10 builder in the greater Seattle area that I can connect with
to see his project and assist?
Skip Feher
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey, I never thunk of that. ;)
I'll have to get the hours off my meter. Probably
around 4.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> Congrats on the Flying, and you need to change your Signature, it has
> been tradition that we all include our builder number until we fly, and
> now that you fall into that flying category (I am so Jealous) you need
> to change from your builder number to your tail number plus hours!!!!
> Should read about 10 hours by now right?
> Dan 40269...and still pounding rivets!
> Do not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:15 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> With the recently released SB on the VS, I got to thinking
> about what to do. I didn't know if I wanted to drill rivets
> on the new paint and try to repair it, or if I should just
> rebuild the whole thing. Being the first part a builder
> builds, I know I had the nose rib ding, and another ding
> on the rear from the rivet gun, more on the spar. Talking
> to a couple other builders, we pondered the cost of a VS.
>
> Today I gathered the remaining items I needed on a list
> to find the total cost, which you'll see below is $222.48.
> (You may have to buy the small new doubler plate...would
> be dirt cheap)
>
> I'm not sure if I'll repair or rebuild. The benefits of
> the rebuild are that I have better skills than before,
> and I can build and paint the new VS and then swap it in
> when I'm ready in a very short time. The benefit of
> the repair is the cost. Tom from Van's said they
> didn't even have to repaint theirs, but I would imagine
> that most builders would end up spot repairing the rivets.
> I'm more worried about what would happen if I made a mistake
> on the repair. It would take me a bit longer to fix, and if
> I damaged something, I'd be downed for a couple weeks
> until I could repair or rebuild.
>
> Tim
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> Vertical Stab Parts
>
> $79.20 VS-1001 Skin
> $13.91 VS-1002 Front Spar
> $22.50 VS-1003 Rear Spar
> $8.45 VS-1004 Bottom Inspar Rib
> $5.33 VS-1005 Bottom Nose Rib
> $6.61 VS-1006 Top Rib
> $6.99 VS-1007 Middle Inspar Rib
> $15.00 VS-1008 Rear Spar Doubler
> $25.75 VS-1009 VS Tip Fairing
> $4.95 VS-1010 Bottom Rudder Hinge Bracket
> $4.00 VS-1011 Middle Rudder Hinge Bracket
> $3.90 VS-1012 Top Rudder Hinge Bracket
> $5.24 VS-1013 Middle Nose Rib
> $15.40 VS-1014 Rear Spar Cap (**2 Req)
> $1.75 VS-1015 Doubler
> FREE VS-1017 Doubler from SB-06-2-3
> $3.50 R-1007 Rudder Stop
> $222.48 Total
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I know the throttle quadrant vs. Vernier push-pulls is a
topic of debate for the builders. I'll disclose that I
leaned toward the quadrant side from the looks and feel
standpoint from the beginning, so I am slightly biased
in that regards. My Beech also had a quadrant that I
liked very much, and I think they look nicer.
Now that I've put in 5 hours of Transition Training in
N220RV with push-pulls, and put in a bit less in my own
with a quadrant, I'll offer this observation.
John will attest that I had a royal pain with the vernier.
The prop was OK, in that I could dial it out and get it
fairly close. The Throttle was not vernier but only
push-pull. I had a b*#ch of a time with the throttle on
N220RV. When Mike called for 2350RPM @ 14", it was
VERY hard to get precise...often I'd be well over 2"
off in MP, and it would take a lot of work to get
within 50 of RPM. This is not at all picking on the
AFS engine monitor, but I do wonder if perhaps a slow
sampling rate on the AFS might have contributed....I'd
pull the power or adjust the prop, and it seemed like
the display on the AFS would take a second or two to
stabilize out and read the true reading. At any rate,
the push-pulls were hard. During the flight, Mike
commented that he liked the push-pulls because it was
easier to get precisely set. I also noticed on the RV-10
that the brackets securing them are kind of flimsy, so you
get a bit of flex in the bracket. No problem...they
just feel flimsy but are plenty adequate for strength.
In contrast, my quadrant is not giving me any of the same
issues. I can come much closer to precision setting
of both MP and RPM. It works very well. Now, if the AFS
were to blame (I'm using the GRT EIS which feeds my Chelton
screens), then that could improve my feeling for the
push-pulls. I do think though, that I can set the
Throttle more precisely with the quadrant. It is probably
due to the longer lever arm, which would allow me to move my
hand a small amount, and it would move the actual cable
less distance than a push-pull.
At any rate, it was hard enough getting it right in
N220RV, and I noticed enough of a difference flying mine,
that I thought I'd point that out. If you're currently
on the fence and don't know which way to go, perhaps
that bit of info will give you the feedback you wanted.
Tim
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| Subject: | Vernier vs. Quadrant observations |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Tim:
Do you know what the update rate is for the data from the GRT to your
Cheltons?
TDT
40025
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I know the throttle quadrant vs. Vernier push-pulls is a
topic of debate for the builders. I'll disclose that I
leaned toward the quadrant side from the looks and feel
standpoint from the beginning, so I am slightly biased
in that regards. My Beech also had a quadrant that I
liked very much, and I think they look nicer.
Now that I've put in 5 hours of Transition Training in
N220RV with push-pulls, and put in a bit less in my own
with a quadrant, I'll offer this observation.
John will attest that I had a royal pain with the vernier.
The prop was OK, in that I could dial it out and get it
fairly close. The Throttle was not vernier but only
push-pull. I had a b*#ch of a time with the throttle on
N220RV. When Mike called for 2350RPM @ 14", it was
VERY hard to get precise...often I'd be well over 2"
off in MP, and it would take a lot of work to get
within 50 of RPM. This is not at all picking on the
AFS engine monitor, but I do wonder if perhaps a slow
sampling rate on the AFS might have contributed....I'd
pull the power or adjust the prop, and it seemed like
the display on the AFS would take a second or two to
stabilize out and read the true reading. At any rate,
the push-pulls were hard. During the flight, Mike
commented that he liked the push-pulls because it was
easier to get precisely set. I also noticed on the RV-10
that the brackets securing them are kind of flimsy, so you
get a bit of flex in the bracket. No problem...they
just feel flimsy but are plenty adequate for strength.
In contrast, my quadrant is not giving me any of the same
issues. I can come much closer to precision setting
of both MP and RPM. It works very well. Now, if the AFS
were to blame (I'm using the GRT EIS which feeds my Chelton
screens), then that could improve my feeling for the
push-pulls. I do think though, that I can set the
Throttle more precisely with the quadrant. It is probably
due to the longer lever arm, which would allow me to move my
hand a small amount, and it would move the actual cable
less distance than a push-pull.
At any rate, it was hard enough getting it right in
N220RV, and I noticed enough of a difference flying mine,
that I thought I'd point that out. If you're currently
on the fence and don't know which way to go, perhaps
that bit of info will give you the feedback you wanted.
Tim
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| Subject: | Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
My belief would be you should keep flying and rebuild another for the
reasons you spoke of. Getting those monkeys off my back are on my mind, but
you have a great opportunity and go ahead and admit it...you are already
missing the building....another plane is on your horizon.
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts
>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:15:01 -0600
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>With the recently released SB on the VS, I got to thinking
>about what to do. I didn't know if I wanted to drill rivets
>on the new paint and try to repair it, or if I should just
>rebuild the whole thing. Being the first part a builder
>builds, I know I had the nose rib ding, and another ding
>on the rear from the rivet gun, more on the spar. Talking
>to a couple other builders, we pondered the cost of a VS.
>
>Today I gathered the remaining items I needed on a list
>to find the total cost, which you'll see below is $222.48.
>(You may have to buy the small new doubler plate...would
>be dirt cheap)
>
>I'm not sure if I'll repair or rebuild. The benefits of
>the rebuild are that I have better skills than before,
>and I can build and paint the new VS and then swap it in
>when I'm ready in a very short time. The benefit of
>the repair is the cost. Tom from Van's said they
>didn't even have to repaint theirs, but I would imagine
>that most builders would end up spot repairing the rivets.
>I'm more worried about what would happen if I made a mistake
>on the repair. It would take me a bit longer to fix, and if
>I damaged something, I'd be downed for a couple weeks
>until I could repair or rebuild.
>
>Tim
>------------------------------------------------------
>
>Vertical Stab Parts
>
>$79.20 VS-1001 Skin
>$13.91 VS-1002 Front Spar
>$22.50 VS-1003 Rear Spar
>$8.45 VS-1004 Bottom Inspar Rib
>$5.33 VS-1005 Bottom Nose Rib
>$6.61 VS-1006 Top Rib
>$6.99 VS-1007 Middle Inspar Rib
>$15.00 VS-1008 Rear Spar Doubler
>$25.75 VS-1009 VS Tip Fairing
>$4.95 VS-1010 Bottom Rudder Hinge Bracket
>$4.00 VS-1011 Middle Rudder Hinge Bracket
>$3.90 VS-1012 Top Rudder Hinge Bracket
>$5.24 VS-1013 Middle Nose Rib
>$15.40 VS-1014 Rear Spar Cap (**2 Req)
>$1.75 VS-1015 Doubler
>FREE VS-1017 Doubler from SB-06-2-3
>$3.50 R-1007 Rudder Stop
>$222.48 Total
>
>--
>Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
>#40170
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
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| Subject: | Vernier vs. Quadrant observations |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
In my experience with quadrants on Pipers and Katanas, I'd take push pull
any day because of what you were describing, a lack of ability to make fine
adjustments. Very interesting. I'd like to know how the quadrants are hold
position. Is it a friction knob or some other that gets them to maintain
their station?
John Jessen
~328 (Tailcone)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I know the throttle quadrant vs. Vernier push-pulls is a topic of debate for
the builders. I'll disclose that I leaned toward the quadrant side from the
looks and feel standpoint from the beginning, so I am slightly biased in
that regards. My Beech also had a quadrant that I liked very much, and I
think they look nicer.
Now that I've put in 5 hours of Transition Training in N220RV with
push-pulls, and put in a bit less in my own with a quadrant, I'll offer this
observation.
John will attest that I had a royal pain with the vernier.
The prop was OK, in that I could dial it out and get it fairly close. The
Throttle was not vernier but only push-pull. I had a b*#ch of a time with
the throttle on N220RV. When Mike called for 2350RPM @ 14", it was VERY
hard to get precise...often I'd be well over 2"
off in MP, and it would take a lot of work to get within 50 of RPM. This is
not at all picking on the AFS engine monitor, but I do wonder if perhaps a
slow sampling rate on the AFS might have contributed....I'd pull the power
or adjust the prop, and it seemed like the display on the AFS would take a
second or two to stabilize out and read the true reading. At any rate,
the push-pulls were hard. During the flight, Mike
commented that he liked the push-pulls because it was easier to get
precisely set. I also noticed on the RV-10 that the brackets securing them
are kind of flimsy, so you get a bit of flex in the bracket. No
problem...they just feel flimsy but are plenty adequate for strength.
In contrast, my quadrant is not giving me any of the same issues. I can
come much closer to precision setting of both MP and RPM. It works very
well. Now, if the AFS were to blame (I'm using the GRT EIS which feeds my
Chelton screens), then that could improve my feeling for the push-pulls. I
do think though, that I can set the
Throttle more precisely with the quadrant. It is probably
due to the longer lever arm, which would allow me to move my hand a small
amount, and it would move the actual cable less distance than a push-pull.
At any rate, it was hard enough getting it right in N220RV, and I noticed
enough of a difference flying mine, that I thought I'd point that out. If
you're currently on the fence and don't know which way to go, perhaps that
bit of info will give you the feedback you wanted.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06 |
BTW, FRAPPR seems to have some weird "decluttering" algorithm, so don't
give up if you don't see any RV-10s in your area from long range. Zoom
in and more will appear if they're there . . .
TDT
40025
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________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06
Welcome!
Bunch of us around Portland, and I'm sure you'll find Seattle area
folks, but in the meantime, have you tried this:
http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
Not all 600 are on it, obviously, but many.
John Jessen
~328 (Tailcone)
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________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
shfeher@rockwellcollins.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06
I just joined yesterday. Ken Scott took my wife and I up in the RV-10
last Saturday and we are planning to order the kit this fall. Until
then, is there an RV-10 builder in the greater Seattle area that I can
connect with to see his project and assist?
Skip Feher
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| Subject: | Re: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
No, I don't know the update rate on any of the systems. I do
wonder though if that wasn't a huge contributing factor to
what I noticed. The GRT appears to be very quick to respond
to throttle and prop changes. I'm sure that if one samples
at .1 sec intervals, and one is .01, that's probably a very
noticeable change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
> Tim:
>
> Do you know what the update rate is for the data from the GRT to your
> Cheltons?
>
> TDT
> 40025
> Firewall Forward
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I know the throttle quadrant vs. Vernier push-pulls is a
> topic of debate for the builders. I'll disclose that I
> leaned toward the quadrant side from the looks and feel
> standpoint from the beginning, so I am slightly biased
> in that regards. My Beech also had a quadrant that I
> liked very much, and I think they look nicer.
>
> Now that I've put in 5 hours of Transition Training in
> N220RV with push-pulls, and put in a bit less in my own
> with a quadrant, I'll offer this observation.
>
> John will attest that I had a royal pain with the vernier.
> The prop was OK, in that I could dial it out and get it
> fairly close. The Throttle was not vernier but only
> push-pull. I had a b*#ch of a time with the throttle on
> N220RV. When Mike called for 2350RPM @ 14", it was
> VERY hard to get precise...often I'd be well over 2"
> off in MP, and it would take a lot of work to get
> within 50 of RPM. This is not at all picking on the
> AFS engine monitor, but I do wonder if perhaps a slow
> sampling rate on the AFS might have contributed....I'd
> pull the power or adjust the prop, and it seemed like
> the display on the AFS would take a second or two to
> stabilize out and read the true reading. At any rate,
> the push-pulls were hard. During the flight, Mike
> commented that he liked the push-pulls because it was
> easier to get precisely set. I also noticed on the RV-10
> that the brackets securing them are kind of flimsy, so you
> get a bit of flex in the bracket. No problem...they
> just feel flimsy but are plenty adequate for strength.
>
> In contrast, my quadrant is not giving me any of the same
> issues. I can come much closer to precision setting
> of both MP and RPM. It works very well. Now, if the AFS
> were to blame (I'm using the GRT EIS which feeds my Chelton
> screens), then that could improve my feeling for the
> push-pulls. I do think though, that I can set the
> Throttle more precisely with the quadrant. It is probably
> due to the longer lever arm, which would allow me to move my
> hand a small amount, and it would move the actual cable
> less distance than a push-pull.
>
> At any rate, it was hard enough getting it right in
> N220RV, and I noticed enough of a difference flying mine,
> that I thought I'd point that out. If you're currently
> on the fence and don't know which way to go, perhaps
> that bit of info will give you the feedback you wanted.
>
> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Tim and all,
FWIW, I just finished the service bulletin on the VS. Took 2.5 hours
and was easy mainly because the VS was laying on a table in front of me and
not on the plane, ( hadn't been mounted yet ). I removed the suggested
rivets from the end rib and also the skin to spar flange rivets on one side
to gain good access. This enabled me to fold the skin back somewhat.
Riveting the doubler and the hinge was accomplished with a squeezer.
Remaining rivets were replaced also with a sqeezer. I'm sure some touch up
will be required to the paint and I would assume that working on a ladder
with the VS attached to the plane will present a challenge but I'm guessing
it's less of a pain than removing and replacing the entire VS.
John Hasbrouck
#40264 wings done, fuse on order
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Well, I will probably build again SOME day. I'm happy to do
one part now, but not a whole plane for a while. Unless...
Maybe Van's will make an RV-16, 6 place model, or the RV-10EXT
extended baggage version. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Gonzalez wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> My belief would be you should keep flying and rebuild another for the
> reasons you spoke of. Getting those monkeys off my back are on my mind,
> but you have a great opportunity and go ahead and admit it...you are
> already missing the building....another plane is on your horizon.
>
>
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts
>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:15:01 -0600
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> With the recently released SB on the VS, I got to thinking
>> about what to do. I didn't know if I wanted to drill rivets
>> on the new paint and try to repair it, or if I should just
>> rebuild the whole thing. Being the first part a builder
>> builds, I know I had the nose rib ding, and another ding
>> on the rear from the rivet gun, more on the spar. Talking
>> to a couple other builders, we pondered the cost of a VS.
>>
>> Today I gathered the remaining items I needed on a list
>> to find the total cost, which you'll see below is $222.48.
>> (You may have to buy the small new doubler plate...would
>> be dirt cheap)
>>
>> I'm not sure if I'll repair or rebuild. The benefits of
>> the rebuild are that I have better skills than before,
>> and I can build and paint the new VS and then swap it in
>> when I'm ready in a very short time. The benefit of
>> the repair is the cost. Tom from Van's said they
>> didn't even have to repaint theirs, but I would imagine
>> that most builders would end up spot repairing the rivets.
>> I'm more worried about what would happen if I made a mistake
>> on the repair. It would take me a bit longer to fix, and if
>> I damaged something, I'd be downed for a couple weeks
>> until I could repair or rebuild.
>>
>> Tim
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Vertical Stab Parts
>>
>> $79.20 VS-1001 Skin
>> $13.91 VS-1002 Front Spar
>> $22.50 VS-1003 Rear Spar
>> $8.45 VS-1004 Bottom Inspar Rib
>> $5.33 VS-1005 Bottom Nose Rib
>> $6.61 VS-1006 Top Rib
>> $6.99 VS-1007 Middle Inspar Rib
>> $15.00 VS-1008 Rear Spar Doubler
>> $25.75 VS-1009 VS Tip Fairing
>> $4.95 VS-1010 Bottom Rudder Hinge Bracket
>> $4.00 VS-1011 Middle Rudder Hinge Bracket
>> $3.90 VS-1012 Top Rudder Hinge Bracket
>> $5.24 VS-1013 Middle Nose Rib
>> $15.40 VS-1014 Rear Spar Cap (**2 Req)
>> $1.75 VS-1015 Doubler
>> FREE VS-1017 Doubler from SB-06-2-3
>> $3.50 R-1007 Rudder Stop
>> $222.48 Total
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>> --
>> Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
>> #40170
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| Subject: | Re: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
It's funny though, the quadrant for the -10 is very (more) precise
for me. The quadrants have a lever-lock friction lock on the right
side. I don't even have mine cranked at all, and even with no
extra friction lock, my settings maintain indefinitely. It's a
pretty nice quadrant, actually. My only complaint is that the
quadrant is delivered without any covers on the sides or front.
After I get ready to put the carpet in (after a good long leak
check period) I'm going to build a faux-leather cover for the
quadrant. In the long run, I'll probably put a fiberglass
console under it (small one) for holding charts....if I see the
need.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> In my experience with quadrants on Pipers and Katanas, I'd take push pull
> any day because of what you were describing, a lack of ability to make fine
> adjustments. Very interesting. I'd like to know how the quadrants are hold
> position. Is it a friction knob or some other that gets them to maintain
> their station?
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (Tailcone)
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:25 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I know the throttle quadrant vs. Vernier push-pulls is a topic of debate for
> the builders. I'll disclose that I leaned toward the quadrant side from the
> looks and feel standpoint from the beginning, so I am slightly biased in
> that regards. My Beech also had a quadrant that I liked very much, and I
> think they look nicer.
>
> Now that I've put in 5 hours of Transition Training in N220RV with
> push-pulls, and put in a bit less in my own with a quadrant, I'll offer this
> observation.
>
> John will attest that I had a royal pain with the vernier.
> The prop was OK, in that I could dial it out and get it fairly close. The
> Throttle was not vernier but only push-pull. I had a b*#ch of a time with
> the throttle on N220RV. When Mike called for 2350RPM @ 14", it was VERY
> hard to get precise...often I'd be well over 2"
> off in MP, and it would take a lot of work to get within 50 of RPM. This is
> not at all picking on the AFS engine monitor, but I do wonder if perhaps a
> slow sampling rate on the AFS might have contributed....I'd pull the power
> or adjust the prop, and it seemed like the display on the AFS would take a
> second or two to stabilize out and read the true reading. At any rate,
> the push-pulls were hard. During the flight, Mike
> commented that he liked the push-pulls because it was easier to get
> precisely set. I also noticed on the RV-10 that the brackets securing them
> are kind of flimsy, so you get a bit of flex in the bracket. No
> problem...they just feel flimsy but are plenty adequate for strength.
>
> In contrast, my quadrant is not giving me any of the same issues. I can
> come much closer to precision setting of both MP and RPM. It works very
> well. Now, if the AFS were to blame (I'm using the GRT EIS which feeds my
> Chelton screens), then that could improve my feeling for the push-pulls. I
> do think though, that I can set the
> Throttle more precisely with the quadrant. It is probably
> due to the longer lever arm, which would allow me to move my hand a small
> amount, and it would move the actual cable less distance than a push-pull.
>
> At any rate, it was hard enough getting it right in N220RV, and I noticed
> enough of a difference flying mine, that I thought I'd point that out. If
> you're currently on the fence and don't know which way to go, perhaps that
> bit of info will give you the feedback you wanted.
>
> Tim
> --
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| Subject: | Vernier vs. Quadrant observations |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
And there's a difference between sampling rate (engine system sampling
the actual sensors), and the update rate (the rate that the engine
system actually outputs the values to other boxes).
Most certified engine systems I know don't output any faster than 8 Hz
(0.125 sec), which is more than adequate. I think if you get slower
than 4 Hz (0.25 sec) you could start to notice a difference.
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
No, I don't know the update rate on any of the systems. I do
wonder though if that wasn't a huge contributing factor to
what I noticed. The GRT appears to be very quick to respond
to throttle and prop changes. I'm sure that if one samples
at .1 sec intervals, and one is .01, that's probably a very
noticeable change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
> Tim:
>
> Do you know what the update rate is for the data from the GRT to your
> Cheltons?
>
> TDT
> 40025
> Firewall Forward
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I know the throttle quadrant vs. Vernier push-pulls is a
> topic of debate for the builders. I'll disclose that I
> leaned toward the quadrant side from the looks and feel
> standpoint from the beginning, so I am slightly biased
> in that regards. My Beech also had a quadrant that I
> liked very much, and I think they look nicer.
>
> Now that I've put in 5 hours of Transition Training in
> N220RV with push-pulls, and put in a bit less in my own
> with a quadrant, I'll offer this observation.
>
> John will attest that I had a royal pain with the vernier.
> The prop was OK, in that I could dial it out and get it
> fairly close. The Throttle was not vernier but only
> push-pull. I had a b*#ch of a time with the throttle on
> N220RV. When Mike called for 2350RPM @ 14", it was
> VERY hard to get precise...often I'd be well over 2"
> off in MP, and it would take a lot of work to get
> within 50 of RPM. This is not at all picking on the
> AFS engine monitor, but I do wonder if perhaps a slow
> sampling rate on the AFS might have contributed....I'd
> pull the power or adjust the prop, and it seemed like
> the display on the AFS would take a second or two to
> stabilize out and read the true reading. At any rate,
> the push-pulls were hard. During the flight, Mike
> commented that he liked the push-pulls because it was
> easier to get precisely set. I also noticed on the RV-10
> that the brackets securing them are kind of flimsy, so you
> get a bit of flex in the bracket. No problem...they
> just feel flimsy but are plenty adequate for strength.
>
> In contrast, my quadrant is not giving me any of the same
> issues. I can come much closer to precision setting
> of both MP and RPM. It works very well. Now, if the AFS
> were to blame (I'm using the GRT EIS which feeds my Chelton
> screens), then that could improve my feeling for the
> push-pulls. I do think though, that I can set the
> Throttle more precisely with the quadrant. It is probably
> due to the longer lever arm, which would allow me to move my
> hand a small amount, and it would move the actual cable
> less distance than a push-pull.
>
> At any rate, it was hard enough getting it right in
> N220RV, and I noticed enough of a difference flying mine,
> that I thought I'd point that out. If you're currently
> on the fence and don't know which way to go, perhaps
> that bit of info will give you the feedback you wanted.
>
> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
In the case of the ACS-2005 box, it's sampled directly
by that box and displayed on the same I think.
In my case it's being sampled by the GRT EIS, and
I think it's running 38,400 baud into the Chelton
via serial. Sorry I don't have better specs than that.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> And there's a difference between sampling rate (engine system sampling
> the actual sensors), and the update rate (the rate that the engine
> system actually outputs the values to other boxes).
>
> Most certified engine systems I know don't output any faster than 8 Hz
> (0.125 sec), which is more than adequate. I think if you get slower
> than 4 Hz (0.25 sec) you could start to notice a difference.
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:14 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> No, I don't know the update rate on any of the systems. I do
> wonder though if that wasn't a huge contributing factor to
> what I noticed. The GRT appears to be very quick to respond
> to throttle and prop changes. I'm sure that if one samples
> at .1 sec intervals, and one is .01, that's probably a very
> noticeable change.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>> Tim:
>>
>> Do you know what the update rate is for the data from the GRT to your
>> Cheltons?
>>
>> TDT
>> 40025
>> Firewall Forward
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:25 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> I know the throttle quadrant vs. Vernier push-pulls is a
>> topic of debate for the builders. I'll disclose that I
>> leaned toward the quadrant side from the looks and feel
>> standpoint from the beginning, so I am slightly biased
>> in that regards. My Beech also had a quadrant that I
>> liked very much, and I think they look nicer.
>>
>> Now that I've put in 5 hours of Transition Training in
>> N220RV with push-pulls, and put in a bit less in my own
>> with a quadrant, I'll offer this observation.
>>
>> John will attest that I had a royal pain with the vernier.
>> The prop was OK, in that I could dial it out and get it
>> fairly close. The Throttle was not vernier but only
>> push-pull. I had a b*#ch of a time with the throttle on
>> N220RV. When Mike called for 2350RPM @ 14", it was
>> VERY hard to get precise...often I'd be well over 2"
>> off in MP, and it would take a lot of work to get
>> within 50 of RPM. This is not at all picking on the
>> AFS engine monitor, but I do wonder if perhaps a slow
>> sampling rate on the AFS might have contributed....I'd
>> pull the power or adjust the prop, and it seemed like
>> the display on the AFS would take a second or two to
>> stabilize out and read the true reading. At any rate,
>> the push-pulls were hard. During the flight, Mike
>> commented that he liked the push-pulls because it was
>> easier to get precisely set. I also noticed on the RV-10
>> that the brackets securing them are kind of flimsy, so you
>> get a bit of flex in the bracket. No problem...they
>> just feel flimsy but are plenty adequate for strength.
>>
>> In contrast, my quadrant is not giving me any of the same
>> issues. I can come much closer to precision setting
>> of both MP and RPM. It works very well. Now, if the AFS
>> were to blame (I'm using the GRT EIS which feeds my Chelton
>> screens), then that could improve my feeling for the
>> push-pulls. I do think though, that I can set the
>> Throttle more precisely with the quadrant. It is probably
>> due to the longer lever arm, which would allow me to move my
>> hand a small amount, and it would move the actual cable
>> less distance than a push-pull.
>>
>> At any rate, it was hard enough getting it right in
>> N220RV, and I noticed enough of a difference flying mine,
>> that I thought I'd point that out. If you're currently
>> on the fence and don't know which way to go, perhaps
>> that bit of info will give you the feedback you wanted.
>>
>> Tim
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| Subject: | Engine alternative? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
I have it by someone that there is a builder in Nevada that is planning on
installing an alternative engine. I am counting on this as I am planning on
that engine option as well.
I hope that this is not a whole lot of BS as there have been
people/companies with grand plans that never materialize. I hope to get
away from the reciprocating engine variety. I also hope I will not be the
only individual on the fringe of exploration, but I'd be willing to take the
chance.
http://innodyn.com/
John G chasing my Tail
>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:51:30 -0500
>
>Is Eric Large of Holland, MI on the list? I heard a third-hand rumor
>that you're exploring a new engine alternative. Care to share info with
>the list?
>
>
>TDT
>
>40025
>
>Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Engine alternative? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Ooh, let's not waste any more electrons debating Innodyn!
I heard the fellow in Holland, MI was planning on using a "Volkswagen
diesel" . . .
And of course Dave Hertner in London, Ontario is planning Corvette
power. (according to Frappr)
TDT
40025
Lycosaur
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
I have it by someone that there is a builder in Nevada that is planning
on
installing an alternative engine. I am counting on this as I am
planning on
that engine option as well.
I hope that this is not a whole lot of BS as there have been
people/companies with grand plans that never materialize. I hope to get
away from the reciprocating engine variety. I also hope I will not be
the
only individual on the fringe of exploration, but I'd be willing to take
the
chance.
http://innodyn.com/
John G chasing my Tail
>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:51:30 -0500
>
>Is Eric Large of Holland, MI on the list? I heard a third-hand rumor
>that you're exploring a new engine alternative. Care to share info
with
>the list?
>
>
>TDT
>
>40025
>
>Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06 |
Thanks!
Skip
"Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
Sent by: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
02/14/2006 11:04 AM
Please respond to
rv10-list@matronics.com
To
<rv10-list@matronics.com>
cc
Subject
RE: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06
BTW, FRAPPR seems to have some weird ?decluttering? algorithm, so don?t
give up if you don?t see any RV-10s in your area from long range. Zoom in
and more will appear if they?re there . . .
TDT
40025
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06
Welcome!
Bunch of us around Portland, and I'm sure you'll find Seattle area folks,
but in the meantime, have you tried this:
http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
Not all 600 are on it, obviously, but many.
John Jessen
~328 (Tailcone)
do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
shfeher@rockwellcollins.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 02/13/06
I just joined yesterday. Ken Scott took my wife and I up in the RV-10
last Saturday and we are planning to order the kit this fall. Until then,
is there an RV-10 builder in the greater Seattle area that I can connect
with to see his project and assist?
Skip Feher
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Tim, what was the advice (if any) on your engine run-in period?
John.
#40315 fuse
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| Subject: | Engine alternative? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sorry Tim, I may have joined the group too late and don't know what you all
discussed. What I am interested in is any negative information you might
pass along. Did I miss any, I think the company before them went south.....
>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:11:14 -0500
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>Ooh, let's not waste any more electrons debating Innodyn!
>
>I heard the fellow in Holland, MI was planning on using a "Volkswagen
>diesel" . . .
>
>And of course Dave Hertner in London, Ontario is planning Corvette
>power. (according to Frappr)
>
>TDT
>40025
>Lycosaur
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:58 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
><indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
>I have it by someone that there is a builder in Nevada that is planning
>on
>installing an alternative engine. I am counting on this as I am
>planning on
>that engine option as well.
>
>I hope that this is not a whole lot of BS as there have been
>people/companies with grand plans that never materialize. I hope to get
>
>away from the reciprocating engine variety. I also hope I will not be
>the
>only individual on the fringe of exploration, but I'd be willing to take
>the
>chance.
>
>
>http://innodyn.com/
>
>John G chasing my Tail
>
>
> >From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
> >To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
> >Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:51:30 -0500
> >
> >Is Eric Large of Holland, MI on the list? I heard a third-hand rumor
> >that you're exploring a new engine alternative. Care to share info
>with
> >the list?
> >
> >
> >
> >TDT
> >
> >40025
> >
> >Do not archive
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts |
Don't forget if you make a new fin, it may be a "major change" and would require
you to have some additional test time after the change. I know my RV-6 Op Limits
would make me go back to the FAA to address this, but I think the new ones
they are issuing now establish a procedure for you to determine what needs
to be done and how long it needs to be. A consideration.
Bruce Patton
Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
Well, I will probably build again SOME day. I'm happy to do
one part now, but not a whole plane for a while. Unless...
Maybe Van's will make an RV-16, 6 place model, or the RV-10EXT
extended baggage version. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
>
> My belief would be you should keep flying and rebuild another for the
> reasons you spoke of. Getting those monkeys off my back are on my mind,
> but you have a great opportunity and go ahead and admit it...you are
> already missing the building....another plane is on your horizon.
>
>
>> From: Tim Olson
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts
>> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:15:01 -0600
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>>
>> With the recently released SB on the VS, I got to thinking
>> about what to do. I didn't know if I wanted to drill rivets
>> on the new paint and try to repair it, or if I should just
>> rebuild the whole thing. Being the first part a builder
>> builds, I know I had the nose rib ding, and another ding
>> on the rear from the rivet gun, more on the spar. Talking
>> to a couple other builders, we pondered the cost of a VS.
>>
>> Today I gathered the remaining items I needed on a list
>> to find the total cost, which you'll see below is $222.48.
>> (You may have to buy the small new doubler plate...would
>> be dirt cheap)
>>
>> I'm not sure if I'll repair or rebuild. The benefits of
>> the rebuild are that I have better skills than before,
>> and I can build and paint the new VS and then swap it in
>> when I'm ready in a very short time. The benefit of
>> the repair is the cost. Tom from Van's said they
>> didn't even have to repaint theirs, but I would imagine
>> that most builders would end up spot repairing the rivets.
>> I'm more worried about what would happen if I made a mistake
>> on the repair. It would take me a bit longer to fix, and if
>> I damaged something, I'd be downed for a couple weeks
>> until I could repair or rebuild.
>>
>> Tim
>> ------------------------------------------------------
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>> Vertical Stab Parts
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>> $79.20 VS-1001 Skin
>> $13.91 VS-1002 Front Spar
>> $22.50 VS-1003 Rear Spar
>> $8.45 VS-1004 Bottom Inspar Rib
>> $5.33 VS-1005 Bottom Nose Rib
>> $6.61 VS-1006 Top Rib
>> $6.99 VS-1007 Middle Inspar Rib
>> $15.00 VS-1008 Rear Spar Doubler
>> $25.75 VS-1009 VS Tip Fairing
>> $4.95 VS-1010 Bottom Rudder Hinge Bracket
>> $4.00 VS-1011 Middle Rudder Hinge Bracket
>> $3.90 VS-1012 Top Rudder Hinge Bracket
>> $5.24 VS-1013 Middle Nose Rib
>> $15.40 VS-1014 Rear Spar Cap (**2 Req)
>> $1.75 VS-1015 Doubler
>> FREE VS-1017 Doubler from SB-06-2-3
>> $3.50 R-1007 Rudder Stop
>> $222.48 Total
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
>> #40170
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| Subject: | Engine alternative? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Innodyne....take your money and run--before they do!
Chuck Jensen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
I have it by someone that there is a builder in Nevada that is planning
on
installing an alternative engine. I am counting on this as I am
planning on
that engine option as well.
I hope that this is not a whole lot of BS as there have been
people/companies with grand plans that never materialize. I hope to get
away from the reciprocating engine variety. I also hope I will not be
the
only individual on the fringe of exploration, but I'd be willing to take
the
chance.
http://innodyn.com/
John G chasing my Tail
>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:51:30 -0500
>
>Is Eric Large of Holland, MI on the list? I heard a third-hand rumor
>that you're exploring a new engine alternative. Care to share info
with
>the list?
>
>
>TDT
>
>40025
>
>Do not archive
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John.... Go to www.eci2fly.com and under the technical data area on the
homepage there is a comprehensive engine break-in / run in
publication...
Joe
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Run-in
Tim, what was the advice (if any) on your engine run-in period?
John.
#40315 fuse
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Rosen visors are the best and angles are not a problem as they articulate
every direction. The best part is you can look right through them for
traffic and such. I have a set in my 210 and plan to put them in the RV- 10.
By the way, congrats on the flight. So envious.
Jim
40383
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-------Original Message-------
From: Tim Olson
Subject: Re: RV10-List: visors
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You read my mind Evan. Just last evening while flying around in the
setting sun, I thought to myself "Man, this thing really needs
sunvisors." Mounting them shouldn't be too bad, because you
can probably just screw them into the thick part of the canopy, but
there might have to be some engineering as to the angles that the
visors are attached and how they move.
I'll be trying to figure something out soon, but if others find
a good solution, post it here.
--
Tim Olson -- Flying RV-10
#40170
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Evan and Megan Johnson wrote:
> Has anybody come up with a good way of installing sun visors? ....Maybe
> they are just not necessary in the RV 10 but I sure use them a lot in my
> C-150 so it seems likely I will want them. I will be installing my roof
> section in a couple of weeks and got to thinking about this just because
> I have been looking at that thing.....I cant wait to get it out of my
> way and on the airplane where it belongs.
> Cheers...
> Evan Johnson
> www.evansaviationproducts.com <http://www.evansaviationproducts.com>
> (530)247-0375
> (530)351-1776 cell
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--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Hey Tim,
Any in-flight videos to share with us yet? Even ground videos would
suffice....
Forever drooling,
The rest of the builders.....
-Jim 40384
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I just did the DAR inspection/First Flight page today:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20060212/index.html
I have a short and longer version of the ground video.
For most people, the short and small one would be all they'd
care for.
Unfortunately, when the day came to fly the plane, the guy
who was going to do the aerial video got sick, the in-cockpit
stuff never got set up because we were running late, and the
ground stuff...well, the people running it didn't do so well.
Nobody even got any decent still photos during the actual
flying time, and someone zoomed my camera in using digital
zoom and everything got grainy. It was about the worst
photo experience I could imagine for that day.
So, I'll be taking some in-flight stuff over the next
couple weeks, and we're going to wait for a sunny day
and shoot some nice outside shots and takeoff/landing
shots. If I can find another pilot who'll fly near
me, I'll get some aerial stuff too. It sure would have
been nice to have something great like Bruce did for
Randy, but I didn't get so lucky. I'll have to make do
with trying to make a nice post-flying video.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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James Hein wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>
> Hey Tim,
> Any in-flight videos to share with us yet? Even ground videos would
> suffice....
>
> Forever drooling,
> The rest of the builders.....
>
> -Jim 40384
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Engine alternative? |
For what its worth I've been trying to get a VW V10 diesel (tdi) for nearly 2 years
and hope to have it in 6 weeks or so. I'd rather have the new Audi V8 tdi,
but probably can't get it for another year. I'm just starting to build a front
cowl buck and nearly finished on the bucks for a center console, avionics
panel and an overhead console. I'm not holding my breath and suggest nobody
else does on my account. Anyone interested in offline emails its: catalyticeric@yahoo.com
Eric Large
p.s. Congratulations Tim you're an inspiration during many tribulations!!
Tim Dawson-Townsend <Tdawson@avidyne.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
Ooh, let's not waste any more electrons debating Innodyn!
I heard the fellow in Holland, MI was planning on using a "Volkswagen
diesel" . . .
And of course Dave Hertner in London, Ontario is planning Corvette
power. (according to Frappr)
TDT
40025
Lycosaur
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
I have it by someone that there is a builder in Nevada that is planning
on
installing an alternative engine. I am counting on this as I am
planning on
that engine option as well.
I hope that this is not a whole lot of BS as there have been
people/companies with grand plans that never materialize. I hope to get
away from the reciprocating engine variety. I also hope I will not be
the
only individual on the fringe of exploration, but I'd be willing to take
the
chance.
http://innodyn.com/
John G chasing my Tail
>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
>To:
>Subject: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:51:30 -0500
>
>Is Eric Large of Holland, MI on the list? I heard a third-hand rumor
>that you're exploring a new engine alternative. Care to share info
with
>the list?
>
>
>TDT
>
>40025
>
>Do not archive
>
---------------------------------
Brings words and photos together (easily) with
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Stab SB - VS Parts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
Tim, I rebuilt my vertical for reasons other than the SB a while back. Being
the first piece I made, It had a few dings. I built the second in about 2
days and It looks so much better than the first. $200 and two days, I'd
build a new one!! Mark (40016)
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| Subject: | Engine alternative? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Gary Specketer" <speckter@comcast.net>
One wise tech counselor once told me. Don't put anything on your airplane
until you can find 10 examples at OSH and most of the owners are happy with
it, Unless you want to do the R&D for the company you are buying the stuff
from or you want to be in the R&D business. Either is OK but know which way
fits your desires.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
--> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
I have it by someone that there is a builder in Nevada that is planning on
installing an alternative engine. I am counting on this as I am planning on
that engine option as well.
I hope that this is not a whole lot of BS as there have been
people/companies with grand plans that never materialize. I hope to get
away from the reciprocating engine variety. I also hope I will not be the
only individual on the fringe of exploration, but I'd be willing to take the
chance.
http://innodyn.com/
John G chasing my Tail
>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:51:30 -0500
>
>Is Eric Large of Holland, MI on the list? I heard a third-hand rumor
>that you're exploring a new engine alternative. Care to share info
>with the list?
>
>
>TDT
>
>40025
>
>Do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Vernier vs. Quadrant observations |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Each pilot becomes one with their engine and prop controls over time.
Some are more precise than others. A vernier pushed in 1/32" gives one
response and a Quadrant pushed in 1/32" with a 5" arm gives entirely
another. It is a personal choice.
The choice can be subjective rather than objective. There must be a
reason that twins, turbos, VL jets and military use a quadrant and
C-150s use a simple cable. You think? The advantage to the vernier is
not the Push-Pull but rather the fine precision wrist twist with a new
and properly functioning cable. That technique is usually for slow
meticulous trimming at cruise. Ever tried a loose one? Same control is
possible with a Quadrant - they just look classier. IMHO.
There are now a number of models (more than 4)available for the kit
builder from $200 to over $1200 (all stainless steel). Just go visit
the Lancair site or maybe Tim will post the picture I sent him.
Tim did just fine on last week's transition training. The delayed
signal response or several other possible factors may have contributed
to any perceived offset. I watched the rpms dance in 10 digit
increments up/down change but the acoustic pitch was more predictable as
you would expect from the engine. It is called Transition Training. The
maneuvers were of constantly changing pitch, bank, rpm and prop setting.
The picture outside the cockpit was all foreign. Hills, trees,
mountains and power lines. Most of us can relate to rapid fire T&Gs ....
Right? The desire to please ourselves or our instructor can provide an
overriding priority to tactile actions. We all want to be SH pilots
when viewed by others.
I still appreciate the four days of beautiful weather he brought. Now
we are back to the 20s-30s temp and rain. I also appreciate his "Post
Build... Flying" recitation here. Randy, Doug, Vic, Jim, Mike, etc we
are dying for good flying stats here like W&B, Ops Manual, Vx Vy, fuel
burn.
William Curtis, if your are still going the Conti IO-360 I think you
will be pleased. John G, give that alternate powerplant research a
serious work over and read the archives. I can share offline what I
have found.
Congrats Tim!
John $00.02
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Vernier vs. Quadrant observations
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I know the throttle quadrant vs. Vernier push-pulls is a
topic of debate for the builders. I'll disclose that I
leaned toward the quadrant side from the looks and feel
standpoint from the beginning, so I am slightly biased
in that regards. My Beech also had a quadrant that I
liked very much, and I think they look nicer.
Now that I've put in 5 hours of Transition Training in
N220RV with push-pulls, and put in a bit less in my own
with a quadrant, I'll offer this observation.
John will attest that I had a royal pain with the vernier.
The prop was OK, in that I could dial it out and get it
fairly close. The Throttle was not vernier but only
push-pull. I had a b*#ch of a time with the throttle on
N220RV. When Mike called for 2350RPM @ 14", it was
VERY hard to get precise...often I'd be well over 2"
off in MP, and it would take a lot of work to get
within 50 of RPM. This is not at all picking on the
AFS engine monitor, but I do wonder if perhaps a slow
sampling rate on the AFS might have contributed....I'd
pull the power or adjust the prop, and it seemed like
the display on the AFS would take a second or two to
stabilize out and read the true reading. At any rate,
the push-pulls were hard. During the flight, Mike
commented that he liked the push-pulls because it was
easier to get precisely set. I also noticed on the RV-10
that the brackets securing them are kind of flimsy, so you
get a bit of flex in the bracket. No problem...they
just feel flimsy but are plenty adequate for strength.
In contrast, my quadrant is not giving me any of the same
issues. I can come much closer to precision setting
of both MP and RPM. It works very well. Now, if the AFS
were to blame (I'm using the GRT EIS which feeds my Chelton
screens), then that could improve my feeling for the
push-pulls. I do think though, that I can set the
Throttle more precisely with the quadrant. It is probably
due to the longer lever arm, which would allow me to move my
hand a small amount, and it would move the actual cable
less distance than a push-pull.
At any rate, it was hard enough getting it right in
N220RV, and I noticed enough of a difference flying mine,
that I thought I'd point that out. If you're currently
on the fence and don't know which way to go, perhaps
that bit of info will give you the feedback you wanted.
Tim
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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I've watched your video twice today! So exciting! Loved the commentary
about "never" getting you down!! Thanks for sharing the excitement. We all
get such a boost from one another, and this is one heckofa special moment.
Well done Tim.
Bruce
40018 'vators
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| Subject: | Hooker 5-point harnesses |
Over on the VAF website they've got a 30% group buy going on for the hooker 5-point
harnesses. While I'm not quite finished with the tailcone yet it's kinda
hard to pass on this if they will work. Can anybody a little further along in
the build, or any flyers, tell me if these will work in the -10. Front and
back or just front??? Any Mods required to install them???
Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
Bill Britton
RV-10 tailcone/ revisiting VS for the SB
#40137
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| Subject: | Re: Hooker 5-point harnesses |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You may be able to get them to work, but...
Consider that you only use 4 point in the front, 5 point
in the rear if you go by plans. I used 4 point both places.
Also, the front harness uses a long webbing lead since it's mounted
well rear of the front seats. I have hooker harnesses for the
RV-10. You may want to contact them and see if you get in on
the group buy can you get the RV-10 harness set.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
> Over on the VAF website they've got a 30% group buy going on for the
> hooker 5-point harnesses. While I'm not quite finished with the
> tailcone yet it's kinda hard to pass on this if they will work. Can
> anybody a little further along in the build, or any flyers, tell me if
> these will work in the -10. Front and back or just front??? Any Mods
> required to install them???
>
> Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Bill Britton
> RV-10 tailcone/ revisiting VS for the SB
> #40137
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| Subject: | Hooker 5-point harnesses |
Valentine's Day Special bulletin:
If you ever have the need to fly a special lady and a function and are time
crunched for changing clothes, if she's wearing a skirt/dress you may want
to rethink 5-pt harnesses for your cross-country cruiser and leave the 5-pts
to the hard aerobatic guys. Of course you could always install a 4-pt or
shoulder/lap belt combo on that side so you can do your acro solo.
Rob #392
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Tami
Britton
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Hooker 5-point harnesses
Over on the VAF website they've got a 30% group buy going on for the hooker
5-point harnesses. While I'm not quite finished with the tailcone yet it's
kinda hard to pass on this if they will work. Can anybody a little further
along in the build, or any flyers, tell me if these will work in the -10.
Front and back or just front??? Any Mods required to install them???
Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
Bill Britton
RV-10 tailcone/ revisiting VS for the SB
#40137
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| Subject: | Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement" <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
A big, hugh, hearty CONGRATULATIONS is due to you! You built it! It flies!
And all along the way you have provided tremendous value to the rest of us
following in your footsteps. I am truly excited for you and hope you and
your family get years of safe enjoyment out of your new baby.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Installing QB fuse canopy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 8:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Another RV-10 flies - 2/12/2006
Today was my lucky day. I have to pass on the news that RV-10 N104CD took
to the air for it's first flight this afternoon.
The takeoff was amazing, and once off the ground that IO-540 kicked me in
the pants with it's acceleration. This was a definite difference from what
I saw with N220RV. Within what seemed like seconds I was at 3500' AGL, as I
was climbing at 2200 fpm. It flew absolutely hands-off, with no need for
aileron or rudder trim, although aileron
trim is installed on the plane. I flew some lazy circles around the
airport and then decided that I needed to show my face to the crowd that had
come in support today.
I set up for my first landing, slowed it down and put her gently back on the
runway for a completely non-eventful landing, just
the way it should be. I had to take it back up one more time
just to waste the rest of the daylight, and I put over an hour on it for the
day. There's no wheel pants on it yet, so I don't have any good speed
numbers for you, but I know I was over 150 KTS for the flight (no mph for
this guy).
The Chelton system worked great, and when I turned on the Autopilot it flew
using both GPSS and GPSV and tracked a course to the airport chosen on the
EFIS.
I'll now have to spend the next few hours getting some of the instrument
calibrations perfected, and finishing up those wheel pants for our upcoming
trip to Sun-N-Fun in Florida.
Just wanted to pass on the news!
Tim
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| Subject: | Hooker 5-point harnesses |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Why does one use 5-point in the rear? Are your kids doing acro back there
without letting those in front join in the fun? Or, is there one h*ll of a
tail wag that we don't know about? Seriously, though. Why?
John Jessen
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hooker 5-point harnesses
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You may be able to get them to work, but...
Consider that you only use 4 point in the front, 5 point in the rear if you
go by plans. I used 4 point both places.
Also, the front harness uses a long webbing lead since it's mounted well
rear of the front seats. I have hooker harnesses for the RV-10. You may
want to contact them and see if you get in on the group buy can you get the
RV-10 harness set.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
> Over on the VAF website they've got a 30% group buy going on for the
> hooker 5-point harnesses. While I'm not quite finished with the
> tailcone yet it's kinda hard to pass on this if they will work. Can
> anybody a little further along in the build, or any flyers, tell me if
> these will work in the -10. Front and back or just front??? Any Mods
> required to install them???
>
> Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Bill Britton
> RV-10 tailcone/ revisiting VS for the SB
> #40137
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| Subject: | Hooker 5-point harnesses |
Um, can't she just not attach the 5th strap for that flight?
TDT
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________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Robert G. Wright
Sent: Tue 2/14/2006 10:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Hooker 5-point harnesses
Valentine's Day Special bulletin:
If you ever have the need to fly a special lady and a function and are time crunched
for changing clothes, if she's wearing a skirt/dress you may want to rethink
5-pt harnesses for your cross-country cruiser and leave the 5-pts to the
hard aerobatic guys. Of course you could always install a 4-pt or shoulder/lap
belt combo on that side so you can do your acro solo.
Rob #392
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill and Tami Britton
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Hooker 5-point harnesses
Over on the VAF website they've got a 30% group buy going on for the hooker 5-point
harnesses. While I'm not quite finished with the tailcone yet it's kinda
hard to pass on this if they will work. Can anybody a little further along in
the build, or any flyers, tell me if these will work in the -10. Front and
back or just front??? Any Mods required to install them???
Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
Bill Britton
RV-10 tailcone/ revisiting VS for the SB
#40137
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| Subject: | Engine alternative? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
You have heard correct. I am planning on putting an alternative engine into
the 10. I am going with the Cosmo 20B fuel injected, no turbos, and only
planning on spinning it at 6000 RPM.
Bob K
Attaching tail cone this weekend. 40125, N104BK
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| Subject: | Re: Hooker 5-point harnesses |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Read again... Plans = 5pt. Mine = 4 pt in rear.
I don't need that injury-causing, knee poking, metal
crotch tab sticking up injuring my kids. I got rid
of the thing and went with 4pt. I agree with your
statement...it's pointless to have 5.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> Why does one use 5-point in the rear? Are your kids doing acro back there
> without letting those in front join in the fun? Or, is there one h*ll of a
> tail wag that we don't know about? Seriously, though. Why?
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> John Jessen
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:14 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hooker 5-point harnesses
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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> You may be able to get them to work, but...
> Consider that you only use 4 point in the front, 5 point in the rear if you
> go by plans. I used 4 point both places.
> Also, the front harness uses a long webbing lead since it's mounted well
> rear of the front seats. I have hooker harnesses for the RV-10. You may
> want to contact them and see if you get in on the group buy can you get the
> RV-10 harness set.
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> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> Bill and Tami Britton wrote:
>> Over on the VAF website they've got a 30% group buy going on for the
>> hooker 5-point harnesses. While I'm not quite finished with the
>> tailcone yet it's kinda hard to pass on this if they will work. Can
>> anybody a little further along in the build, or any flyers, tell me if
>> these will work in the -10. Front and back or just front??? Any Mods
>> required to install them???
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>> Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
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>> Bill Britton
>> RV-10 tailcone/ revisiting VS for the SB
>> #40137
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| Subject: | Engine alternative? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
I looked at the Innodyne but they had a lot of sweet talk, but no real
performance information. Never would give a real fuel flow, and it would be
so easy. Fill it up fly for two hours and fill it up again. That would be
a rough idea. Much hot air, pun intended, and no data.
Bob K
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Specketer
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Gary Specketer" <speckter@comcast.net>
One wise tech counselor once told me. Don't put anything on your airplane
until you can find 10 examples at OSH and most of the owners are happy with
it, Unless you want to do the R&D for the company you are buying the stuff
from or you want to be in the R&D business. Either is OK but know which way
fits your desires.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
--> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
I have it by someone that there is a builder in Nevada that is planning on
installing an alternative engine. I am counting on this as I am planning on
that engine option as well.
I hope that this is not a whole lot of BS as there have been
people/companies with grand plans that never materialize. I hope to get
away from the reciprocating engine variety. I also hope I will not be the
only individual on the fringe of exploration, but I'd be willing to take the
chance.
http://innodyn.com/
John G chasing my Tail
>From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Engine alternative?
>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:51:30 -0500
>
>Is Eric Large of Holland, MI on the list? I heard a third-hand rumor
>that you're exploring a new engine alternative. Care to share info
>with the list?
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>TDT
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>40025
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