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1. 04:19 AM - Re: A prophesy mis read, maybe (Tim Olson)
2. 05:33 AM - Ch 29 Construction angles (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 05:52 AM - Re: Ch 29 Construction angles (Jesse Saint)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: Ch 29 Construction angles (bob.kaufmann)
5. 06:13 AM - Re: Ch 29 Construction angles (Tom Gesele)
6. 06:16 AM - Re: Static Dischargers (Conti, Rick)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: Ch 29 Construction angles (John Gonzalez)
8. 07:48 AM - Re: F6122-1 (John Hilger)
9. 08:08 AM - Re: EAA Tech Counselor visit (John Jessen)
10. 08:12 AM - New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Jeff Dalton)
11. 08:30 AM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Conti, Rick)
12. 08:36 AM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Dan Masys)
13. 08:38 AM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Rick)
14. 08:44 AM - Re: Ch 29 Construction angles (Tim Olson)
15. 08:46 AM - Re: EAA Tech Counselor visit (LessDragProd@aol.com)
16. 08:47 AM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
17. 08:52 AM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (John Jessen)
18. 09:03 AM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Andrew Barker)
19. 09:04 AM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Jim Wade)
20. 09:12 AM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 02/22/06 (Hans Conser)
21. 09:15 AM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install ()
22. 09:33 AM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Tim Olson)
23. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Dan Masys)
24. 11:05 AM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Conti, Rick)
25. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Jesse Saint)
26. 12:49 PM - Chelton Recall (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
27. 01:27 PM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Jim Wade)
28. 02:42 PM - Re: Riveting Fuse Side Skins (Richard Reynolds)
29. 03:03 PM - Re: Riveting Fuse Side Skins (McGANN, Ron)
30. 03:24 PM - Re: Ch 29 Construction angles (John W. Cox)
31. 03:29 PM - Re: Static Dischargers (John W. Cox)
32. 03:34 PM - FW: LED strobes, etc. (Robert G. Wright)
33. 03:51 PM - Re: Ch 29 Construction angles (McGANN, Ron)
34. 05:25 PM - Re: Ch 29 Construction angles (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
35. 06:07 PM - Re: FW: LED strobes, etc. (Deems Davis)
36. 07:14 PM - Rear Seats (zackrv8)
37. 07:14 PM - Re: Chelton Recall (GenGrumpy@AOL.COM)
38. 07:42 PM - Re: Rear Seats (John Dunne)
39. 07:44 PM - Re: Rear Seats (Marcus Cooper)
40. 07:47 PM - Re: Rear Seats (Russell Daves)
41. 07:56 PM - Chelton AHRS recall viewpoint (Tim Olson)
42. 08:00 PM - Re: FW: LED strobes, etc. (Tim Olson)
43. 08:03 PM - Re: Chelton Recall (Tim Olson)
44. 08:31 PM - Re: FW: LED strobes, etc. (Deems Davis)
45. 08:35 PM - Re: FW: LED strobes, etc. (John Dunne)
46. 09:11 PM - Re: FW: LED strobes, etc. remaned fiberglass panel (Deems Davis)
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| Subject: | Re: A prophesy mis read, maybe |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
John, "DNA" won't do the same as "do not archive".
Tim
John Gonzalez wrote:
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| Subject: | Ch 29 Construction angles |
What angle did everyone use to create the F1070A/B construction angles for bending
the fuse skin? I don't see a callout for the actual angle size other than
3/4 and I don't want to chop a piece that will be needed later.
This has been one of the little annoyances as they don't really tell you which
length angle to chop up to make various parts. I guess they just assume that
you will use which every piece that will cause the least waste but I'm sure
that someone has chopped the wrong angle before. It wouldn't be difficult to
comment what length they expect you to use.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Ch 29 Construction angles |
If I am not wrong there is an extra piece of 125 angle that is used for
this. I think there are 3 6' pieces included in the kit and only 2 are
needed for the plane, so the other 6' piece we cut to make these parts.
What is everybody doing with their scrap parts like this? I don't know how
much that angle stock costs, but passing around an already used set of these
angles would save a lot of builders a 6' piece for repairs or mods.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me,
please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has
voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
What angle did everyone use to create the F1070A/B construction angles for
bending the fuse skin? I don't see a callout for the actual angle size
other than 3/4 and I don't want to chop a piece that will be needed later.
This has been one of the little annoyances as they don't really tell you
which length angle to chop up to make various parts. I guess they just
assume that you will use which every piece that will cause the least waste
but I'm sure that someone has chopped the wrong angle before. It wouldn't
be difficult to comment what length they expect you to use.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Ch 29 Construction angles |
The Las Vegas group has been passing tools and parts like this the whole
time. We passed the wood block, the angles and the bucking bars as needed.
Nice part is that the holes are already predrilled. God is good.
Bob K
40125
N104BK
Baggage door
Do not archive,
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
If I am not wrong there is an extra piece of 125 angle that is used for
this. I think there are 3 6' pieces included in the kit and only 2 are
needed for the plane, so the other 6' piece we cut to make these parts.
What is everybody doing with their scrap parts like this? I don't know how
much that angle stock costs, but passing around an already used set of these
angles would save a lot of builders a 6' piece for repairs or mods.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me,
please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has
voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
What angle did everyone use to create the F1070A/B construction angles for
bending the fuse skin? I don't see a callout for the actual angle size
other than 3/4 and I don't want to chop a piece that will be needed later.
This has been one of the little annoyances as they don't really tell you
which length angle to chop up to make various parts. I guess they just
assume that you will use which every piece that will cause the least waste
but I'm sure that someone has chopped the wrong angle before. It wouldn't
be difficult to comment what length they expect you to use.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Ch 29 Construction angles |
Mike,
I purchased 2 3' sections of 3/4x3/4x1/8 angle from Home Depot. Like you,
didn't want to chop up the wrong angle and find I'm short later on.
One word of caution on the bends - be careful that you don't use too much
force while forming the sharp bend on the opposite side of the cone, you can
end up with a small crease in the skin (guess how I know that..)
Good luck with those bends.
Tom Gesele #473
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:26 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
What angle did everyone use to create the F1070A/B construction angles
for bending the fuse skin? I don't see a callout for the actual angle size
other than 3/4 and I don't want to chop a piece that will be needed later.
This has been one of the little annoyances as they don't really tell you
which length angle to chop up to make various parts. I guess they just
assume that you will use which every piece that will cause the least waste
but I'm sure that someone has chopped the wrong angle before. It wouldn't
be difficult to comment what length they expect you to use.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Static Dischargers |
What's the consensus for the builders? Static wicks or not? Can they
be added relatively easy later on? I have been told the F-16 uses a
conductive adhesive.
Do Not Archive
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
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From: Bill and Tami Britton [mailto:william@gbta.net]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Dischargers
I'm incorporating them on my -10 only because the original builder
started with them. I've got one on the top of the rudder, one towards
the outboard tip of each elevator and probably a couple per aileron.
Not sure if the flaps will have any yet or not. The wicks I have are
easily removeable with just 2 small bolts so I'll probably leave them
off most of the time so as to save my eyes a few pokings. Also, don't
forget that you should probably use bonding straps on your hinges also.
Bill Britton
RV-10 Tailcone
#40137
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From: Patrick Pulis <mailto:patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Static Dischargers
G'day mates from sunny Australia,
This is my first week on the list and my first post and I've
read and learnt a lot awaits me as I progress from my empennage kit.
I have been reading about static discharger wick installations
on other RV models and as yet have found no information or references
regrading the installation of discharger wicks on 10's. Is there anyone
out there who has or plans to install discharger static wicks on their
10 please, I'd love to hear from you and your thoughts/plans.
Regards
PATRICK PULIS
Builder #40299
Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | Ch 29 Construction angles |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
The cost of this material through AS&S is about 0.80 a foot. Of course
there is the shipping charge. I am not sure that the Home Depot material is
made of the same aluminum. I think the kit material is 6061 and notice that
the inner curve has a nice radius which imparts greater strength at this
junction.
Food for thought.
JG.
Do Not Archive
>From: Tom Gesele <tgesele@optonline.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
>Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:16:56 -0500
>
>Mike,
>
> I purchased 2 3' sections of 3/4x3/4x1/8 angle from Home Depot. Like
>you,
>didn't want to chop up the wrong angle and find I'm short later on.
>
> One word of caution on the bends - be careful that you don't use too
>much
>force while forming the sharp bend on the opposite side of the cone, you
>can
>end up with a small crease in the skin (guess how I know that..)
>
>Good luck with those bends.
>
> Tom Gesele #473
>
>Do Not Archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV Builder
>(Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:26 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
>
>
> What angle did everyone use to create the F1070A/B construction angles
>for bending the fuse skin? I don't see a callout for the actual angle size
>other than 3/4 and I don't want to chop a piece that will be needed later.
>
> This has been one of the little annoyances as they don't really tell
>you
>which length angle to chop up to make various parts. I guess they just
>assume that you will use which every piece that will cause the least waste
>but I'm sure that someone has chopped the wrong angle before. It wouldn't
>be difficult to comment what length they expect you to use.
>
>
> Michael Sausen
> -10 #352 Fuselage
> Do not archive
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John
The F-6122-1 is in sub kit #7 of the fuselage kit.
John #40359
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dunne
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: F6122-1
Does anybody know what bag or kit the F6122-1 Tri-Gear Brake bracket appears
in?
I can't seem to even find it on the parts list.
Reference firewall section 27 page 27-1
John #40315 fuse
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| Subject: | EAA Tech Counselor visit |
Jeff, just a few thoughts from a non-Tech Counselor.
My tech counselor did what I had hoped he'd do, but at first I didn't know
what I wanted him to do. He first took a look at my basic techniques and
found areas that were wanting.
Consistent rivets was one such area, and probably is for every newbie. He
got some scrap and gave me a lesson, which I first I sort of didn't like. I
knew about the bad rivets, and I even had told him that I knew they were
bad, and I'd had already taken the EAA course in RV building. However, he
said something interesting as he began the demo. He said, and I paraphrase,
"It took me a long time before I was able to be consistent in my approach to
riveting and therefore in getting consistently good rivets, and my method
may not be what you end up doing, but I found that...." Then he popped off
some perfectly good rivets. I tried and got good rivets. He then did a
blasphemous thing! He drilled out my bad rivets! He didn't even ask me if
I wanted to keep them in! The nerve. Actually, I had not wanted to drill
them out because, I must admit, I was worried that I'd make things worse.
He showed me that it was easy, quick and the right thing to do. He drilled
out a few and then I tried.
We then looked at my edge deburring. He thought it was acceptable, but then
he showed me how he did his, and explained his rationale for the steps. His
technique produced better edges. We also discussed priming, preparation for
priming, tools that would be helpful, and so on. I ended up going from
defensive to grateful for all the time and effort he put into the visit. He
and his wife (she had come along and was doing work over on the couch that I
have in the hanger) then got back into his beautiful RV-6A (he's currently
building a 10) on a gorgeous day that they could have been somewhere else,
and flew off.
I am a much better builder for that visit, and highly recommend finding the
most anal of all tech counselors you can, because these are the folks who
will show you the small details that make everything so much better and
faster and more consistent. You may never be as detailed, but at least
you'll know how it can be done.
John Jessen
~328 (Tailcone and almost ready to go prime time with the web site)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: EAA Tech Counselor visit
Jeff,
Having been a Tech counselor, I'll offer some thoughts.
First, it sounds like you have a strong player, but realize the only
requirement to become a Tech Counselor is to have built an airplane and send
in the paperwork so there are no guarantees about the skill of who you are
getting.
Second, time is a valuable commodity so I'd suggest making the most out of
his/her time and not expect more than they are willing to give. Having said
that, I suspect most counselors enjoy looking at other projects and the time
spent doing so or they shouldn't have signed up to be one.
As for how to utilize them, I'd suggest steering them toward any areas you
have concerns over. Then just cut them loose to wander about the project
primarily as a second set of eyes to catch things you are too familiar with
to notice are wrong. They also tend to have experience with other types of
projects and can offer unique insight to particular problems or catch
something that doesn't quite make sense.
I have never heard of a bad experience with a Tech Counselor so I recommend
you continue the visits if possible. I'd take lots of notes and then decide
what items need to be tweaked as it's your machine and nothing he says is
mandatory.
Marcus
40286
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dalton
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: EAA Tech Counselor visit
I just had my first EAA Tech counselor visit. There's a guy in our local
EAA chapter that helps a lot of people out in the area - he really seemed to
know his stuff.
Question for the group - what kinds of experiences did you all have with
tech counselors and how would you recommend best working with them to get
the most out of it?
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| Subject: | New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and I am a
long way from many final decisions on some equipment. However, it occurred to
me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make that decision now. Don't
servos need to be installed in the tail to control pitch?
Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install generic components?
Jeff
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=3Djrdalton&project=3D120
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| Subject: | New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
Jeff, trust me, don't go any further until you have the complete plan in
place. I didn't but really wish I had. Especially true to ensure all
the wires are in place.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
________________________________
From: Jeff Dalton [mailto:jdalton77@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and
I am a long way from many final decisions on some equipment. However,
it occurred to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make
that decision now. Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to
control pitch?
Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install
generic components?
Jeff
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=3Djrdalton&project=3D120
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| Subject: | Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
Quite a good question, Jeff. With an easy answer. The pitch servo mounts at the
bellcrank which is just behind the baggage bulkhead, not way back in the tail.
So it is very accessible for installation and maintenance later. The plate
that holds the bellcrank is held in by machine screws so you can just unscrew
it to drill and mount the servo.
The story on the roll servo in the wing is similar. It bolts using a bracket that
is accessible via one of the inspection plates, and can be installed later.
The only trick that requires some advance planning is getting the wiring into
the wing before the bottom skin goes on.
It helps to make the decision about the autopilot early (and most other things
in the project, really, except perhaps panel avionics which keep changing from
month to month.)
-Dan Masys
#40448
> From: "Jeff Dalton" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
> Date: 2006/02/23 Thu AM 11:11:47 EST
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
>
> I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and I am
a long way from many final decisions on some equipment. However, it occurred
to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make that decision now.
Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to control pitch?
>
> Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install generic components?
>
> Jeff
> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=jrdalton&project=120
>
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| Subject: | Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
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| Subject: | Re: Ch 29 Construction angles |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I would caution builders...I know that at least where I can buy aluminum
from locally at hardware stores, there isn't anything that's the same
type and quality as what you can get from Van's or ACS. I did buy
a bit early on to try to make a bracket for something, but it was
much more brittle and less strong. Also, the hardware store angle
didn't have the fillet between the edges, it was a square inside corner.
I know this won't be as strong as one with the fillet. I resigned
myself to using it for vice jaws protectors and to make jigs with for
things. Then, I just remembered to order a few 6' lengths of various
aluminum angle from Van's. Every builder should consider at least
buying extra lengths of 3/4"x3/4"x.063 and 3/4x3/4x.125", and I'd
include 1" widths and a short piece of 1x2 also. You'll find lots
of use for it as time goes on.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Gonzalez wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> The cost of this material through AS&S is about 0.80 a foot. Of course
> there is the shipping charge. I am not sure that the Home Depot
> material is made of the same aluminum. I think the kit material is 6061
> and notice that the inner curve has a nice radius which imparts greater
> strength at this junction.
>
> Food for thought.
>
> JG.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>> From: Tom Gesele <tgesele@optonline.net>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
>> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:16:56 -0500
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I purchased 2 3' sections of 3/4x3/4x1/8 angle from Home Depot. Like
>> you,
>> didn't want to chop up the wrong angle and find I'm short later on.
>>
>> One word of caution on the bends - be careful that you don't use too
>> much
>> force while forming the sharp bend on the opposite side of the cone,
>> you can
>> end up with a small crease in the skin (guess how I know that..)
>>
>> Good luck with those bends.
>>
>> Tom Gesele #473
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV Builder
>> (Michael Sausen)
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:26 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
>>
>>
>> What angle did everyone use to create the F1070A/B construction
>> angles
>> for bending the fuse skin? I don't see a callout for the actual angle
>> size
>> other than 3/4 and I don't want to chop a piece that will be needed
>> later.
>>
>> This has been one of the little annoyances as they don't really
>> tell you
>> which length angle to chop up to make various parts. I guess they just
>> assume that you will use which every piece that will cause the least
>> waste
>> but I'm sure that someone has chopped the wrong angle before. It
>> wouldn't
>> be difficult to comment what length they expect you to use.
>>
>>
>> Michael Sausen
>> -10 #352 Fuselage
>> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: EAA Tech Counselor visit |
A friend decided recently to build a RV-4. I had a completed RV-4 vertical
stabilizer setting around (don't know from where) which I gave him. The
rudder attach brackets had been drilled off.
His first task was to drill out the rivets holding in the rear spar so new
rudder attach brackets could be installed. Obviously, this wasn't much of a
gift.
He started on the rudder, recently. When a rivet didn't set properly, he
just drilled it out and installed a new rivet. He didn't give it a second
thought.
>From an A&P friend, I learned to just start to drill the rivet. Then check
to see that the drill point was centered. If it wasn't, cock the drill
sideways, and walk the drill point to the center. For skin and rib assemblies,
just drill through the head of the rivet, but not through the body. Then, with
a pair of pliers, pull the rivet tail out from the back side.
Jim Ayers
EAA Tech Councilor
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| Subject: | New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
You can make all of these decision later in the project, you do not need
to install the pitch servo yet, and the can do the roll servo from the
inspection plate or before you put on the bottom skins. Rather than buy
the servos, put the money into the airframe kits and pound away on the
rivets and wait for the panel to make the AP decision.
my .02
Dan
40269
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dalton
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and
I am a long way from many final decisions on some equipment. However,
it occurred to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make
that decision now. Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to
control pitch?
Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install
generic components?
Jeff
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=3Djrdalton&project=3D120
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
What else are guys/gals doing with the tail, though, that might need wiring?
Is it easier to put in some wires for now, before closing up the Cone, or
does it really matter? Clearly there are wires for the tail light. Might
be something for comm. ant. or ELT?
John Jessen
~328
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
Quite a good question, Jeff. With an easy answer. The pitch servo mounts
at the bellcrank which is just behind the baggage bulkhead, not way back in
the tail. So it is very accessible for installation and maintenance later.
The plate that holds the bellcrank is held in by machine screws so you can
just unscrew it to drill and mount the servo.
The story on the roll servo in the wing is similar. It bolts using a bracket
that is accessible via one of the inspection plates, and can be installed
later. The only trick that requires some advance planning is getting the
wiring into the wing before the bottom skin goes on.
It helps to make the decision about the autopilot early (and most other
things in the project, really, except perhaps panel avionics which keep
changing from month to month.)
-Dan Masys
#40448
> From: "Jeff Dalton" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
> Date: 2006/02/23 Thu AM 11:11:47 EST
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
>
> I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and I
am a long way from many final decisions on some equipment. However, it
occurred to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make that
decision now. Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to control
pitch?
>
> Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install generic
components?
>
> Jeff
> http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=jrdalton&project=120
>
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| Subject: | New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
The PERFECT answer!
My $0.02 as well.
Andrew Barker
General Manager
TruTrak Flight Systems
"You build it...We fly it!"
PH: 479-751-0250 Ext.222
www.trutrakap.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
You can make all of these decision later in the project, you do not need to
install the pitch servo yet, and the can do the roll servo from the
inspection plate or before you put on the bottom skins. Rather than buy the
servos, put the money into the airframe kits and pound away on the rivets
and wait for the panel to make the AP decision.
my .02
Dan
40269
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Dalton
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and I
am a long way from many final decisions on some equipment. However, it
occurred to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make that
decision now. Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to control
pitch?
Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install generic
components?
Jeff
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=jrdalton
<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=jrdalton&project=120>
&project=120
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| Subject: | Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
I built mine and mounted after cabin was on. I am installing Blue Mountain.
Built mount for aileron and elevator. Installed aileron mount just before
closing bottom skin.
Jim
40383
-------Original Message-------
From: Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
John,
The servo mounts at the battery tray in the tail cone and is a bolt on unit.
You can wait till your ready to attach the taicone if you like but that's
still a ways off and access to that area is fairly easy even with the cone
attached.. The roll servo is very easy and can wait till your ready to do
the bottom skins even after for that matter. The only thing on the roll
servo is the bellcrank bracket is swapped out with one from Trutrak...of
course I am assuming your going Trutrack. I only have experience with that
manufac. Another system may be different.
Rick S.
40185
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 24 Msgs - 02/22/06 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Hans Conser <hansconser@gmail.com>
> Time: 08:34:00 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Installing aux fuel tank
> From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>
> Before this goes off the deep end, it is not about support. I happen to
> agree with Tim, the question does not need to be there, but if do not
> archive appears anywhere in the email stream then the message does not
> get in there, and my point was that it might be worth an extra 11
> thousand 1's and 0's to be stored if the responder clicks on the wrong
> message and does not get in there. But by posting do not archive after
> wards and not in the original message then not only are we wasting the
> storage space of the original message, but also valuable bandwidth at
> each of the 1000's of ISP's that we all belong to, to just see a
> message
> that says do not archive. There is a monthly reminder that is sent out
> to each of us with the rules and guidelines, and too waste additional
> bandwidth sending an email saying do not archive after the archive has
> already taken place is pointless. So with that being said if we all
> looked at the rules, then this would be a non issue,
> In this particular case I do believe that the question itself should
> not
> be in the archive, but the answer needs to be, and that is all I was
> referring too.
> Dan
> Do not archive
> Do not archive because it is just the ramblings of a builder in
> withdrawal during the work day
>
Do you really think this makes sense? I have read this three times and
I have no idea of what you are trying to say.
Hans
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| Subject: | Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com>
Jeff,
Vans incuded a bracket with the Fuselage Kit to mount the tru-track servo.
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| Subject: | Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Jim,
TruTrak has an updated bracket. There's also an updated
roll mod that builders may want to check out. All of it
can be done easily post-build if you've done the initial
install well with proper measurements on your holes drilled.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
jim@combsfive.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com>
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> Jeff,
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| Subject: | Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
> From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
> Date: 2006/02/23 Thu AM 08:51:57 PST
> What else are guys/gals doing with the tail, though, that might need wiring?
> Is it easier to put in some wires for now, before closing up the Cone, or
> does it really matter? Clearly there are wires for the tail light. Might be
something for comm. ant. or ELT?
The only wires that run back there on my -7A are the tail strobe + nav light, the
elevator trim wires, and the ELT antenna coax cable. ELT antenna is mounted
horizontally under the empennage fairing. All of those wire runs can be routed
without much trouble after the tailcone is completed.
-Dan Masys
> John Jessen
> ~328
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
> Quite a good question, Jeff. With an easy answer. The pitch servo mounts
> at the bellcrank which is just behind the baggage bulkhead, not way back in
> the tail. So it is very accessible for installation and maintenance later.
> The plate that holds the bellcrank is held in by machine screws so you can
> just unscrew it to drill and mount the servo.
>
> The story on the roll servo in the wing is similar. It bolts using a bracket
> that is accessible via one of the inspection plates, and can be installed
> later. The only trick that requires some advance planning is getting the
> wiring into the wing before the bottom skin goes on.
>
> It helps to make the decision about the autopilot early (and most other
> things in the project, really, except perhaps panel avionics which keep
> changing from month to month.)
>
> -Dan Masys
> #40448
>
> > From: "Jeff Dalton" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
> > Date: 2006/02/23 Thu AM 11:11:47 EST
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
> >
> > I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and I
> am a long way from many final decisions on some equipment. However, it
> occurred to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make that
> decision now. Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to control
> pitch?
> >
> > Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install generic
> components?
> >
> > Jeff
> > http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=jrdalton&project=120
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| Subject: | New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
Jim,
Where did you install your aileron mount?
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
________________________________
From: Jim Wade [mailto:jwadejr@direcway.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
I built mine and mounted after cabin was on. I am installing Blue
Mountain. Built mount for aileron and elevator. Installed aileron mount
just before closing bottom skin.
Jim
40383
-------Original Message-------
From: Rick <mailto:ricksked@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
John,
The servo mounts at the battery tray in the tail cone and is a bolt on
unit. You can wait till your ready to attach the taicone if you like but
that's still a ways off and access to that area is fairly easy even with
the cone attached.. The roll servo is very easy and can wait till your
ready to do the bottom skins even after for that matter. The only thing
on the roll servo is the bellcrank bracket is swapped out with one from
Trutrak...of course I am assuming your going Trutrack. I only have
experience with that manufac. Another system may be different.
Rick S.
40185
Fuselage
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| Subject: | New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We had the plane painted and completely assembled before we put a single
wire or servo in it. While I realize some would have been easier earlier,
it is possible to do it later, as long as you have access to where the wires
will run. Also, I agree that the tail is quite simple, although finding a
good place to route the wires into the rudder isn't a lot of fun. We have
the whole ELT under the emp fairing with the antenna right there, so the
control wires are run from there to the panel, but there's just that and the
strobe and nav light wires for back there. I don't know anything about the
new servo brackets or setup for the TruTrak, but we are using the ones that
came with the kit and the AP is working just fine. Like others have said,
if you want to do it now, go ahead, but don't sweat it. It wouldn't hurt to
decide where you are going to put antennas and things like that, but we
installed all of those after the plane was completed, so it is possible to
do that later also. The main thing is not to cut off your wiring access
areas, unless you put conduit there, and plenty of it.
Do not archive
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
Fax: 815-377-3694
I am in Ecuador until May, 2006. If you have questions regarding I-TEC,
please call the office at 352-465-4545. If you would like to talk to me,
please call me at 352-505-1899. This number won't always be on, but it has
voicemail that will get to me in Ecuador.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
> From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
> Date: 2006/02/23 Thu AM 08:51:57 PST
> What else are guys/gals doing with the tail, though, that might need
wiring?
> Is it easier to put in some wires for now, before closing up the Cone, or
> does it really matter? Clearly there are wires for the tail light. Might
be something for comm. ant. or ELT?
The only wires that run back there on my -7A are the tail strobe + nav
light, the elevator trim wires, and the ELT antenna coax cable. ELT antenna
is mounted horizontally under the empennage fairing. All of those wire runs
can be routed without much trouble after the tailcone is completed.
-Dan Masys
> John Jessen
> ~328
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
> Quite a good question, Jeff. With an easy answer. The pitch servo mounts
> at the bellcrank which is just behind the baggage bulkhead, not way back
in
> the tail. So it is very accessible for installation and maintenance
later.
> The plate that holds the bellcrank is held in by machine screws so you can
> just unscrew it to drill and mount the servo.
>
> The story on the roll servo in the wing is similar. It bolts using a
bracket
> that is accessible via one of the inspection plates, and can be installed
> later. The only trick that requires some advance planning is getting the
> wiring into the wing before the bottom skin goes on.
>
> It helps to make the decision about the autopilot early (and most other
> things in the project, really, except perhaps panel avionics which keep
> changing from month to month.)
>
> -Dan Masys
> #40448
>
> > From: "Jeff Dalton" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
> > Date: 2006/02/23 Thu AM 11:11:47 EST
> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
> >
> > I'm just starting the tail kit (finished rudder, VS, starting on HS) and
I
> am a long way from many final decisions on some equipment. However, it
> occurred to me that if I do end up with an Autopilot I need to make that
> decision now. Don't servos need to be installed in the tail to control
> pitch?
> >
> > Do I need to decide on Autopilot manufacturer now or can I install
generic
> components?
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> > Jeff
> > http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=jrdalton&project=120
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I just read this on AvWeb, not sure if it applies to any of the end stage
builder or flyers....Steve
D2A RECALLS CHELTON EFIS COMPONENT
Direct-To Avionics (D2A) announced Tuesday a full recall of the Crossbow
425EX AHRS used in experimental Chelton Electronic Flight Instrumentation Systems
(EFIS), saying the AHRS has been "plagued by performance and reliability
problems" and will not be used in future units. The component will be replaced
by
the Pinpoint Inertial GADAHRS (GPS / Air Data / Attitude and Heading Reference
System), which D2A said has proven to exceed all of its performance and
reliability parameters. D2A is the exclusive distributor of Chelton's experimental
EFIS line, and also participates in the development and evaluation of future
Chelton systems for both certified and experimental aircraft. More...
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | New builder dumb question re Autopilot install |
Right wing in the bay the aileron push rod ends. Here's a pic of the mount I
built. It rivets right to the ribs.
-------Original Message-------
From: Conti, Rick
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
Jim,
Where did you install your aileron mount?
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
From: Jim Wade [mailto:jwadejr@direcway.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
I built mine and mounted after cabin was on. I am installing Blue Mountain.
Built mount for aileron and elevator. Installed aileron mount just before
closing bottom skin.
Jim
40383
-------Original Message-------
From: Rick
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install
John,
The servo mounts at the battery tray in the tail cone and is a bolt on unit.
You can wait till your ready to attach the taicone if you like but that's
still a ways off and access to that area is fairly easy even with the cone
attached.. The roll servo is very easy and can wait till your ready to do
the bottom skins even after for that matter. The only thing on the roll
servo is the bellcrank bracket is swapped out with one from Trutrak...of
course I am assuming your going Trutrack. I only have experience with that
manufac. Another system may be different.
Rick S.
40185
Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting Fuse Side Skins |
We hung ours vertical resting against 2 2X4 at a height that allowed
easy access. Did the same for the tail cone.
Richard Reynolds
Norfolk, VA
On Feb 22, 2006, at 5:58 PM, McGANN, Ron wrote:
> G'day all,
>
> I'm about to start riveting the fuse side skins. Has anyone had
> any success backriveting these skins? If so, what is the trick for
> preventing damage to the ribs/floor panels while climbing around
> inside?
>
> If your are near this point, have a look at Rick Sked's fuse stand
> in Tim Olsons page under fuselage tips. Looks neat, easy to build
> and versatile. I had not noticed it before. I guess the only down
> side is the height is fixed.
>
> thanks in advance,
> Ron
> #187 fuse
>
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| Subject: | Riveting Fuse Side Skins |
Hi Richard,
I'm intrigued. Can you shed some more light (a picture would be awesome)? Did
you suspend the fuse from the ceiling/rafter? If so, did you suspend from the
centre section spars?
thanks
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Reynolds
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Riveting Fuse Side Skins
We hung ours vertical resting against 2 2X4 at a height that allowed easy access.
Did the same for the tail cone.
Richard Reynolds
Norfolk, VA
On Feb 22, 2006, at 5:58 PM, McGANN, Ron wrote:
G'day all,
I'm about to start riveting the fuse side skins. Has anyone had any success backriveting
these skins? If so, what is the trick for preventing damage to the
ribs/floor panels while climbing around inside?
If your are near this point, have a look at Rick Sked's fuse stand in Tim Olsons
page under fuselage tips. Looks neat, easy to build and versatile. I had not
noticed it before. I guess the only down side is the height is fixed.
thanks in advance,
Ron
#187 fuse
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| Subject: | Ch 29 Construction angles |
Tom, I bought a bunch of aluminum from the Aviation Department of HD to
weld an angle bracket style dolly for my aviation tool chest. While TIG
welding, we got lots of out-gassing, foreign deposits and a really poor
final weld. Some pieces were marginally Okay others were S#%T. Turns
out there are lots of impurities with the scrap products.
I recommend you purchase only aviation grade aluminum stock from a
reputable supplier, if it is going into an aircraft.
John $00.02
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gesele
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
Mike,
I purchased 2 3' sections of 3/4x3/4x1/8 angle from Home Depot. Like
you, didn't want to chop up the wrong angle and find I'm short later on.
One word of caution on the bends - be careful that you don't use too
much force while forming the sharp bend on the opposite side of the
cone, you can end up with a small crease in the skin (guess how I know
that..)
Good luck with those bends.
Tom Gesele #473
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:26 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
What angle did everyone use to create the F1070A/B
construction angles for bending the fuse skin? I don't see a callout
for the actual angle size other than 3/4 and I don't want to chop a
piece that will be needed later.
This has been one of the little annoyances as they don't
really tell you which length angle to chop up to make various parts. I
guess they just assume that you will use which every piece that will
cause the least waste but I'm sure that someone has chopped the wrong
angle before. It wouldn't be difficult to comment what length they
expect you to use.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Static Dischargers |
Conductive paints help a lot on composite skins like radomes and leading
edge wing surfaces. With metal aircraft the dissipation is best done
with wicks.
Will be using them on trailing edges. YES, and they will be removable
for static display at Airshows.
John $00.02
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Static Dischargers
What's the consensus for the builders? Static wicks or not? Can they
be added relatively easy later on? I have been told the F-16 uses a
conductive adhesive.
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Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
________________________________
From: Bill and Tami Britton [mailto:william@gbta.net]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Dischargers
I'm incorporating them on my -10 only because the original builder
started with them. I've got one on the top of the rudder, one towards
the outboard tip of each elevator and probably a couple per aileron.
Not sure if the flaps will have any yet or not. The wicks I have are
easily removeable with just 2 small bolts so I'll probably leave them
off most of the time so as to save my eyes a few pokings. Also, don't
forget that you should probably use bonding straps on your hinges also.
Bill Britton
RV-10 Tailcone
#40137
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Pulis <mailto:patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Static Dischargers
G'day mates from sunny Australia,
This is my first week on the list and my first post and I've
read and learnt a lot awaits me as I progress from my empennage kit.
I have been reading about static discharger wick installations
on other RV models and as yet have found no information or references
regrading the installation of discharger wicks on 10's. Is there anyone
out there who has or plans to install discharger static wicks on their
10 please, I'd love to hear from you and your thoughts/plans.
Regards
PATRICK PULIS
Builder #40299
Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | FW: LED strobes, etc. |
All, I'm not looking to wire together my own nav lights that include the
strobe tube, so I asked Eric at Perihelion:
Rob,
(Sorry for the late reply).
I am planning a combo this Spring. No firm delivery date yet.
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
emjones@charter.net
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
(508) 764-2072
Eric,
I still check the sites consistently looking for anyone who will put
together a combo tail light/strobe for use specifically in the RV-10 as a
direct replacement for the System 6 Vans sells from Whelen. I really don't
want to have LED side posn lights and a filament tail light. I'm not in a
hurry but will probably buy the first set I see. Would like that to be you
as you support the matronics lists, AeroLectric readers, etc.
Rob Wright
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| Subject: | Ch 29 Construction angles |
I also bought some 3/4x3/4x1/8 from the hardware store. Not a problem since they
are not installed on the aircraft. I did find that I bent the heck out of
them with the vise grips. The hardware store stuff seems to be much softer than
the aircraft grade material, and after forming both skins, these items were
throw away. It was a cheap solution, and did the job well.
Another word of caution - when completing the tight radii, don't over strike with
the mallet, you will crack the skins.
cheers,
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gesele
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
Mike,
I purchased 2 3' sections of 3/4x3/4x1/8 angle from Home Depot. Like you, didn't
want to chop up the wrong angle and find I'm short later on.
One word of caution on the bends - be careful that you don't use too much force
while forming the sharp bend on the opposite side of the cone, you can end
up with a small crease in the skin (guess how I know that..)
Good luck with those bends.
Tom Gesele #473
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
What angle did everyone use to create the F1070A/B construction angles for bending
the fuse skin? I don't see a callout for the actual angle size other than
3/4 and I don't want to chop a piece that will be needed later.
This has been one of the little annoyances as they don't really tell you which
length angle to chop up to make various parts. I guess they just assume that
you will use which every piece that will cause the least waste but I'm sure
that someone has chopped the wrong angle before. It wouldn't be difficult to
comment what length they expect you to use.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Ch 29 Construction angles |
Completely agree. I have used some HD stuff before for non-aircraft use and
it's crap. Probably only T3. I have tried to find someplace in DFW area that
carries aluminum stock with no luck. Must be someplace, just can't find it.
For anyone else that has to replace aluminum parts, and doesn't want to wait
for Van's speedy shipping dept, I highly recommend Airparts. I have used them
a couple times to replace angle, and for sheet for my hat shelf, and they are
always speedy. I just ordered some oversized stuff on Monday and it was on my
door today. You can also use Aircraft Spruce but they are a bit on and off
with shipping speeds.
www.airpartsinc.com
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
Tom, I bought a bunch of aluminum from the Aviation Department of HD to weld an
angle bracket style dolly for my aviation tool chest. While TIG welding, we
got lots of out-gassing, foreign deposits and a really poor final weld. Some
pieces were marginally Okay others were S#%T. Turns out there are lots of impurities
with the scrap products.
I recommend you purchase only aviation grade aluminum stock from a reputable supplier,
if it is going into an aircraft.
John $00.02
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gesele
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
Mike,
I purchased 2 3' sections of 3/4x3/4x1/8 angle from Home Depot. Like you, didn't
want to chop up the wrong angle and find I'm short later on.
One word of caution on the bends - be careful that you don't use too much force
while forming the sharp bend on the opposite side of the cone, you can end
up with a small crease in the skin (guess how I know that..)
Good luck with those bends.
Tom Gesele #473
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:26 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Ch 29 Construction angles
What angle did everyone use to create the F1070A/B construction angles for bending
the fuse skin? I don't see a callout for the actual angle size other than
3/4 and I don't want to chop a piece that will be needed later.
This has been one of the little annoyances as they don't really tell you which
length angle to chop up to make various parts. I guess they just assume that
you will use which every piece that will cause the least waste but I'm sure
that someone has chopped the wrong angle before. It wouldn't be difficult to
comment what length they expect you to use.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: FW: LED strobes, etc. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I just installed these. http://deemsrv10.com/decisions.html (scroll down
to the write up on the LED Nav & Strobes)
I found them on Vans Air Force site, and RV 7 builder made them, the
links are in the write-up if anybody's interested.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Robert G. Wright wrote:
> All, Im not looking to wire together my own nav lights that include
> the strobe tube, so I asked Eric at Perihelion:
>
> Rob,
>
> (Sorry for the late reply).
>
> I am planning a combo this Spring. No firm delivery date yet.
>
> Regards,
> Eric M. Jones
> emjones@charter.net <mailto:emjones@charter.net>
> www.PerihelionDesign.com <http://www.PerihelionDesign.com>
> 113 Brentwood Drive
> Southbridge MA 01550-2705
> (508) 764-2072
>
> Eric,
>
> I still check the sites consistently looking for anyone who will
> put together a combo tail light/strobe for use specifically in the
> RV-10 as a direct replacement for the System 6 Vans sells from
> Whelen. I really dont want to have LED side posn lights and a
> filament tail light. Im not in a hurry but will probably buy the
> first set I see. Would like that to be you as you support the
> matronics lists, AeroLectric readers, etc.
>
> Rob Wright
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Anybody know if the rear seat cushions are included in the finish kit? Van's accessory
catalog offers them and implies that you don't get them with the finish
kit.
Zack
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton Recall |
For all with Cheltons.
The recall is for the AHRS units (not made by Chelton). I was at my avionics
shop on Monday and we discussed the issue. The manufacturer of the prior
units had significant quality control issues they could not resolve, so Chelton
has gone elsewhere.
The units already installed are being recalled (at no cost to the owners).
Others, like me, will have a little more delay in getting the new AHRS units.
Latest estimate is mid to latter part of March.
According to my avionics guy, these new units have a great track record and
should not give any problems.
By the way, the displays of my Cheltons was phenomenal (in the shop). I have
not had the chance to check them out in bright sunlight. Hopefully someone
else in the -10 bunch has them flying now and can provide assessment on
readability in bright sunlight??
grumpy
#40404
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
The implication is correct.
You don't get!
John #40315
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 1:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rear Seats
--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Anybody know if the rear seat cushions are included in the finish kit?
Van's accessory catalog offers them and implies that you don't get them with
the finish kit.
Zack
--------
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RV10 # 40512
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Zack,
They are NOT in the finishing kit. I just ordered and received mine from
Van's.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rear Seats
--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Anybody know if the rear seat cushions are included in the finish kit?
Van's accessory catalog offers them and implies that you don't get them with
the finish kit.
Zack
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
They are not included in the kit. If you buy seat covers from Abby,
Cleavland, etc. they supply the rear cushions and you ship them the front
seats and front seat cushions. If you have them covered locally you need to
buy the rear seat cushions from Van's.
Russ Daves
#40044
----- Original Message -----
From: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rear Seats
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
>
> Anybody know if the rear seat cushions are included in the finish kit?
> Van's accessory catalog offers them and implies that you don't get them
> with the finish kit.
>
> Zack
>
> --------
> RV8 #80125
> RV10 # 40512
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=14531#14531
>
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| Subject: | Chelton AHRS recall viewpoint |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I thought I'd give my own customer side viewpoint regarding the
Chelton AHRS recall. Being a flying customer with the Chelton
system, I of course had an interest in the outcome from day one,
and now that information is public it's nice to be able to
talk about it a bit more.
Just so people who may not have paid attention know, the issue is
with the AHRS itself, made by Crossbow. Chelton has sold quite
a few of these units, but from the sound of it, they aren't really
that old. The 425EX has gone out to many customers. I'm not
sure of the numbers, but I'm sure it's in the many many tens,
or maybe near 100. There are other Crossbow units that are not
necessarily affected, such as the certified unit. From my flying
perspective of the AHRS, and from some of the benefits that the
425EX had, it was a very nice AHRS overall. Except, it suffers
from some sort of power related problem that causes it to not
always boot up. Even in my limited flying (just under 25 hours),
I've had the experience of it not booting on one flight. After
resetting it a couple times, it came to life. It never failed in
the air to this point, but that doesn't give me tons of confidence
in iteself. Performance wise, the 425EX was supposed to be superior
to the certified unit, because over time the experimental units were
able to be improved, but certification, well, kind of kills innovation.
Had it not been for this power problem, I'm sure the AHRS would have
served well for the builders. In my installation I found no
magnetic effects, it tracks perfect heading with my GNS480, and
everything seems to work very well, even in heavier banking
and quick pitch and roll changes.
With the AHRS problem, Chelton knew they were going to lose customer
trust in the entire system if the heart of the heading/attitude
info was compromised. We're building 4 place planes too, so we're
not just pilots risking their own lives. Families will fly in
these planes. So they wanted complete reliability. Apparently,
and here is where I start to lose more detail quickly, they found
another manufacturer that they worked with and got a far superior
AHRS. From what I understand, from a performance and reliability
standpoint, this new GADAHRS should be on par with carrier-class
systems from a reliability and performance stanpoint. I first read
some words leading to some of the benefits in Kitplanes a couple
months ago. The article messed up and said it was made by
Electronics Intl., which was incorrect...I think they were referring
to the new EIS that integrates with Chelton...if you want to spend
the $$$ on it. At any rate, I heard it there first. I kind of
wondered what would happen with mine. It sounded like the new one
would be superior in most ways, and I thought I'd be stuck with the
old. Then I relaxed and thought that as long as they fixed the
power problem, they still had a great AHRS, probably better than
what you'd find in most other EFIS systems. After a little while,
I got to speak with D2AV and learn a little about what they thought
of the new AHRS, and it sure sounds like it's got some phenomenal
performance. It also uses a remote magnetometer so that if you
want to mount the AHRS on the CG centerpoint or somewhere
convenient, you can, and move the magnetometer to some other location
away from magnetic disturbances. It has it's own Air data in it,
so you add a pitot and static line to it. It's supposed to be
self-leveling, so there's no need to worry about mounting location
tolerances and such. All in all, if it does anywhere near as well
as it sounds, it's going to be a great thing.
More recently, I got to speak with them again and heard that they
were planning to pull back all of the old Crossbow units....which
of course we all expected would be repaired. But then they added
that they would be sending the customers the new AHRS. I don't
have any idea of the actual total cost of the new unit, but from
conversations I've had, it sounds like it's well over $10K per
unit. Nice that they're willing to replace them even with that
price tag. Given the number of units sold, that makes it in the
neighborhood of $1,000,000 that they're eating to ensure they
have happy, and safe customers. The way I see it, any product could
be found to have an issue. What really matters is how it's dealt
with. We're "experimental", so we can't expect things to always
be 100%, but in the case of the AHRS, I can tell that's what they're
shooting for. It's probably a case of covering their a$$, but
since they're trying to protect mine too by replacing it, it earns
a few points. I'm not sure how many companies would be willing
to do all that.
I've spoken in the past about Chelton stuff as I was researching it.
You should know that I paid for my units like anyone else, and I have
no interest in promotion, but I'm duly impressed, especially after
flying behind it. The EFIS transition is going very well for me.
There are disappointments so far.....the GNS480 integration basically
isn't. That may change as the programmers get time. Currently
I'm working through why my TIS traffic display isn't being
passed on. One way or the other, the traffic will be made to work.
The GNS480 I *thought* was a big deal, but now that I'm flying
with what I have, I actually think I'm ok with non-integration.
It's now a totally separate backup, since it forced me to buy
a nice Mid-Continent MD200-306 CDI, which after calibration works
extremely well. The auto-tuning would be nice, but I'm finding
that I'm only using COM1 anyway...COM2 (the GNS480) is relegated
to picking up my AWOS so far. The EIS integration is very
nice. The response rate is super on both the EIS data and the
attitude data. The display is very readable in even bright light,
and the resolution is just what I wanted. If it only had digital
Jepp charts built it....oh well, there's always SOMETHING more. ;)
So anyway, I know I've gotten a couple emails from people wondering
if I was disappointed with the problems. No, not right now. In
a couple months I'll be flying IFR with it...would be nice to do
some enroute IFR on the way to Sun-N-Fun. Right now though, I
need more time with the unit so I'm not too disappointed. I think
they'll be targeting their flying customers for the new units first,
which would only be fair (of course I'd say that) for delivery
of the new GADAHRS. Once they get me mine, I plan to take a day
off from work and do an immediate swap. Having spent some
time behind my original system, I'll give some immediate feedback
on it. I would have spread a bit of news earlier, but when a
company like Chelton needs to deal with vendors and contracts and
customers, past, present, and future, it doesn't always do them
good to get rumors that may or may not turn out to be true out
in public. So, I just let it move forward hoping that it would
turn out OK for all of us. Sounds like it will.
Sorry so long.
Tim
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: FW: LED strobes, etc. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Deems,
Those are really beautiful. You did a great job. Some day if I get
tired of mine, I'll give you some cash and you can make me a set. ;)
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Deems Davis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> I just installed these. http://deemsrv10.com/decisions.html (scroll down
> to the write up on the LED Nav & Strobes)
> I found them on Vans Air Force site, and RV 7 builder made them, the
> links are in the write-up if anybody's interested.
>
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com/
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> Robert G. Wright wrote:
>
>> All, Im not looking to wire together my own nav lights that include
>> the strobe tube, so I asked Eric at Perihelion:
>>
>> Rob,
>>
>> (Sorry for the late reply).
>>
>> I am planning a combo this Spring. No firm delivery date yet.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric M. Jones
>> emjones@charter.net <mailto:emjones@charter.net>
>> www.PerihelionDesign.com <http://www.PerihelionDesign.com>
>> 113 Brentwood Drive
>> Southbridge MA 01550-2705
>> (508) 764-2072
>>
>> Eric,
>>
>> I still check the sites consistently looking for anyone who will
>> put together a combo tail light/strobe for use specifically in the
>> RV-10 as a direct replacement for the System 6 Vans sells from
>> Whelen. I really dont want to have LED side posn lights and a
>> filament tail light. Im not in a hurry but will probably buy the
>> first set I see. Would like that to be you as you support the
>> matronics lists, AeroLectric readers, etc.
>>
>> Rob Wright
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton Recall |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey Grumpy,
I just wrote a long-winded post on the recall myself. To answer
your question though, yes, the screens are absolutely beautiful
in the sunlight. Once I can bring some passengers (probably
Saturday) I'll try to get some photos in the cockpit. I've been
flying most every day after work until sundown. The sun has been
low in the sky, causing blinding light. I have that small 25nm
circle, so I've had to basically do a steep turn around the whole
thing for 25 hours....so I hit all sun angles. No problems
at all reading the screen. You won't be disappointed.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote:
> For all with Cheltons.
>
> The recall is for the AHRS units (not made by Chelton). I was at my
> avionics shop on Monday and we discussed the issue. The manufacturer of
> the prior units had significant quality control issues they could not
> resolve, so Chelton has gone elsewhere.
>
> The units already installed are being recalled (at no cost to the
> owners). Others, like me, will have a little more delay in getting the
> new AHRS units. Latest estimate is mid to latter part of March.
>
> According to my avionics guy, these new units have a great track record
> and should not give any problems.
>
> By the way, the displays of my Cheltons was phenomenal (in the shop). I
> have not had the chance to check them out in bright sunlight. Hopefully
> someone else in the -10 bunch has them flying now and can provide
> assessment on readability in bright sunlight??
>
> grumpy
> #40404
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| Subject: | Re: FW: LED strobes, etc. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Just to clarify, I didn't make them, (but wish I had!) an RV 7 builder
named Jeff Bordelon made them, I found them on one of the posts on Doug
Reeves site, and contacted him and he agreed to make me a set. It's the
1st RV-10 set he's done. The Nav lights and the strobes along with the
power supplies for the nav lights was $300. I felt that was more than
reasonable, compared to what I'd seen advertised just for the LED nav
light from other sources. It did cause me to change from Van's lighting
(wingtip) to Duckworks, but I'm also happy with that as well.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Deems,
> Those are really beautiful. You did a great job. Some day if I get
> tired of mine, I'll give you some cash and you can make me a set. ;)
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>
>> I just installed these. http://deemsrv10.com/decisions.html (scroll
>> down to the write up on the LED Nav & Strobes)
>> I found them on Vans Air Force site, and RV 7 builder made them, the
>> links are in the write-up if anybody's interested.
>>
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> Fuse
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>> Robert G. Wright wrote:
>>
>>> All, Im not looking to wire together my own nav lights that include
>>> the strobe tube, so I asked Eric at Perihelion:
>>>
>>> Rob,
>>>
>>> (Sorry for the late reply).
>>>
>>> I am planning a combo this Spring. No firm delivery date yet.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric M. Jones
>>> emjones@charter.net <mailto:emjones@charter.net>
>>> www.PerihelionDesign.com <http://www.PerihelionDesign.com>
>>> 113 Brentwood Drive
>>> Southbridge MA 01550-2705
>>> (508) 764-2072
>>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> I still check the sites consistently looking for anyone who will
>>> put together a combo tail light/strobe for use specifically in the
>>> RV-10 as a direct replacement for the System 6 Vans sells from
>>> Whelen. I really dont want to have LED side posn lights and a
>>> filament tail light. Im not in a hurry but will probably buy the
>>> first set I see. Would like that to be you as you support the
>>> matronics lists, AeroLectric readers, etc.
>>>
>>> Rob Wright
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | FW: LED strobes, etc. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Deems,
Your light setup looks fantastic!
What I'm interested in though, is a reference you make on your site to
building your own fiberglass instrument panel. Have you progressed with this
as yet?
I'm curious as I can't seem to get much feedback on the commercially
available units and am thinking along the same lines of making my own.
John #40315 Fuse.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: LED strobes, etc.
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I just installed these. http://deemsrv10.com/decisions.html (scroll down
to the write up on the LED Nav & Strobes)
I found them on Vans Air Force site, and RV 7 builder made them, the
links are in the write-up if anybody's interested.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: FW: LED strobes, etc. remaned fiberglass panel |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I haven't started on the instrument panel/console yet, and probably
won't for another 3 months (??) I'm trying to stay pretty much in
sequence. But in my prior life (Long e-z and Lancair) working w/
fiberglass showed just how easy it could be . I figure that l'd order
some 1/4" high density foam and then laminate it both sides with glass,
then I'll begin to shape the moulded pieces (borders, ridges, etc and
attach them. Then do a lay -up over that. I fugure that I'll still keep
metal (Alum?) panel inserts, making them modular, and attach them to the
glass structure w/ nutplates. that way if you decide to change/update
the panel you can remake the partucular module and reinstall. We'll see
how it goes, if it turns out OK, it shouldn't be too big of a deal to
pull a mold, that could be shared. One of the prime reasons is that I
want more vertical panel space, and the blank that Van provides is too
narrow. I'm not the tallest person in the world so I can easily afford
to trade off some knee room for some added panel real estate.
If I recall the information I got while @ OSH indicated that the cost of
the bare fiberglass frames was just under $1k. Shouldn't be too hard
to beat that price.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Dunne wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
>
>Deems,
>
>Your light setup looks fantastic!
>What I'm interested in though, is a reference you make on your site to
>building your own fiberglass instrument panel. Have you progressed with this
>as yet?
>I'm curious as I can't seem to get much feedback on the commercially
>available units and am thinking along the same lines of making my own.
>
>John #40315 Fuse.
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 12:06 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: LED strobes, etc.
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>I just installed these. http://deemsrv10.com/decisions.html (scroll down
>to the write up on the LED Nav & Strobes)
>I found them on Vans Air Force site, and RV 7 builder made them, the
>links are in the write-up if anybody's interested.
>
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Fuse
>http://deemsrv10.com/
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