---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/24/06: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:12 AM - Re: Rear Seats (zackrv8) 2. 05:15 AM - Re: Rear Seats (jesse@itecusa.org) 3. 05:31 AM - Re: Riveting Fuse Side Skins (Richard Reynolds) 4. 07:10 AM - IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (Tom Gesele) 5. 07:37 AM - Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 6. 07:39 AM - Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (jesse@itecusa.org) 7. 07:44 AM - Re: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install (Conti, Rick) 8. 09:33 AM - Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (pilotdds@aol.com) 9. 10:25 AM - Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (Jim Wade) 10. 10:56 AM - Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (Dave Lammers) 11. 12:07 PM - Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (Michael Wellenzohn) 12. 12:20 PM - Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (William) 13. 12:34 PM - Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (Michael Wellenzohn) 14. 01:59 PM - Nose Wheel (Doug and Lynn Stone) 15. 02:58 PM - Re: Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (jesse@itecusa.org) 16. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (John) 17. 04:39 PM - Re: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived (Merems) 18. 06:37 PM - Re: Headliner rework (John Testement) 19. 07:12 PM - Re: Headliner rework (Larry Rosen) 20. 08:54 PM - Re: Headliner rework (Tim Olson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:55 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rear Seats From: "zackrv8" --> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" Thanks guys! Zack -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=14590#14590 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear Seats From: jesse@itecusa.org --> RV10-List message posted by: jesse@itecusa.org It is my understanding that they are not included unless they changed something recently. do not archive Jesse Saint > --> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" > > Anybody know if the rear seat cushions are included in the finish kit? > Van's accessory catalog offers them and implies that you don't get them > with the finish kit. > > Zack > > -------- > RV8 #80125 > RV10 # 40512 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=14531#14531 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:40 AM PST US From: Richard Reynolds Subject: Re: RV10-List: Riveting Fuse Side Skins Ron, See attached pictures. For the floor (RV-9A), I erected two vertical posts and clamped two athwartship braces under the forward and aft spars. The floor is clamped to the braces. For the tailcone (RV-10), it was quicker to just set up a ladder and use the tail hook to secure it, Put some padding on the ladder. The bottom skin (J bars) had been completely back riveted before it was assembled into the sides and tops. Leave room at the floor to get inside. See the feet of person inside! The very aft end was finished by putting the tailcone on some low saw horses. In the pictures, the skins aft of F109? are still clecoed. If you do not have room in the workshop, move outside for the hour or so it takes to rivet the structure together, Make your supports secure. Do not drop the assembly on the floor. Richard Reynolds Norfolk, VA =EF=BF=BC=EF=BF=BC=EF=BF=BC On Feb 23, 2006, at 6:02 PM, McGANN, Ron wrote: > Hi Richard, > > I'm intrigued. Can you shed some more light (a picture would be > awesome)? Did you suspend the fuse from the ceiling/rafter? If > so, did you suspend from the centre section spars? > > thanks > Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Reynolds > Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 9:12 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Riveting Fuse Side Skins > > We hung ours vertical resting against 2 2X4 at a height that > allowed easy access. Did the same for the tail cone. > > Richard Reynolds > Norfolk, VA > > > On Feb 22, 2006, at 5:58 PM, McGANN, Ron wrote: > >> G'day all, >> >> I'm about to start riveting the fuse side skins. Has anyone had >> any success backriveting these skins? If so, what is the trick >> for preventing damage to the ribs/floor panels while climbing >> around inside? >> >> If your are near this point, have a look at Rick Sked's fuse stand >> in Tim Olsons page under fuselage tips. Looks neat, easy to build >> and versatile. I had not noticed it before. I guess the only >> down side is the height is fixed. >> >> thanks in advance, >> Ron >> #187 fuse > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:57 AM PST US From: Tom Gesele Subject: RV10-List: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question --> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele Does anyone know if it is legal to mount a GPS antenna under a painted fiberglass surface if the plane is to be flown IFR? I'm considering mounting it on top of the vetical stab, under the fiberglass fairing and want to find out if it's a legal location. Thanks, Tom Gesele #473 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:59 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" I could be wrong but I don't believe there are any IFR requirements around where to mount any antennas in an experimental aircraft. Usually antenna mounting locations are dictated by the manufacturer or basic guidelines. Many people mount the GPS antennas under the cowl and even more mount their Nav antennas in wingtips. As long as you have reliable reception I wouldn't worry about it. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gesele Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question --> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele Does anyone know if it is legal to mount a GPS antenna under a painted fiberglass surface if the plane is to be flown IFR? I'm considering mounting it on top of the vetical stab, under the fiberglass fairing and want to find out if it's a legal location. 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The main problem with putting it back there is the amount of loss you will have in that distance of coax. Our coax is about a foot long. Jesse > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele > > Does anyone know if it is legal to mount a GPS antenna under a painted > fiberglass surface if the plane is to be flown IFR? > > I'm considering mounting it on top of the vetical stab, under the > fiberglass > fairing and want to find out if it's a legal location. > > Thanks, > Tom Gesele #473 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:31 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install From: "Conti, Rick" Thanks DO NOT ARCHIVE Thank You Rick Conti office: 703-414-6141 cell: 571-215-6134 ________________________________ From: Jim Wade [mailto:jwadejr@direcway.com] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Right wing in the bay the aileron push rod ends. Here's a pic of the mount I built. It rivets right to the ribs. -------Original Message------- From: Conti, Rick Subject: RE: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install Jim, Where did you install your aileron mount? Thank You Rick Conti office: 703-414-6141 cell: 571-215-6134 ________________________________ From: Jim Wade [mailto:jwadejr@direcway.com] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install I built mine and mounted after cabin was on. I am installing Blue Mountain. Built mount for aileron and elevator. Installed aileron mount just before closing bottom skin. Jim 40383 -------Original Message------- From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: New builder dumb question re Autopilot install John, The servo mounts at the battery tray in the tail cone and is a bolt on unit. You can wait till your ready to attach the taicone if you like but that's still a ways off and access to that area is fairly easy even with the cone attached.. The roll servo is very easy and can wait till your ready to do the bottom skins even after for that matter. The only thing on the roll servo is the bellcrank bracket is swapped out with one from Trutrak...of course I am assuming your going Trutrack. I only have experience with that manufac. Another system may be different. Rick S. 40185 Fuselage ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:57 AM PST US From: pilotdds@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question The problem you will have is the lenth of the coax.Accordding to Bob Archer gps reception is affected significantlly by long ant wire runs. I mounted mine on the glare shield.Works great -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gesele Sent: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:13:56 -0500 Subject: RV10-List: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question --> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele Does anyone know if it is legal to mount a GPS antenna under a painted fiberglass surface if the plane is to be flown IFR? I'm considering mounting it on top of the vetical stab, under the fiberglass fairing and want to find out if it's a legal location. Thanks, Tom Gesele #473 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:30 AM PST US From: Jim Wade Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question I plan to mount mine under the cowl on the firewall. Many have mounted there with no problems. Wood or fiberglass does not affect signal strength. I should not make any difference on IFR. I mounted one under the wood structured roof of a Howard I restored, and it was legal IFR. Jim 383 -------Original Message------- From: pilotdds@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question The problem you will have is the lenth of the coax.Accordding to Bob Archer gps reception is affected significantlly by long ant wire runs. I mounted mine on the glare shield.Works great -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gesele Sent: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:13:56 -0500 Subject: RV10-List: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question --> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele Does anyone know if it is legal to mount a GPS antenna under a painted fiberglass surface if the plane is to be flown IFR? I'm considering mounting it on top of the vetical stab, under the fiberglass fairing and want to find out if it's a legal location. Thanks, Tom Gesele #473 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:36 AM PST US From: Dave Lammers Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question --> RV10-List message posted by: Dave Lammers Tom, To be "legal" and use a GPS in the National Airspace (NAS) system under IFR (even in experimental airplanes) the following apply: 1) The equipment must be TSO'd. for it's intended purpose (enroute, approach, etc) 2) To keep the TSO valid, the equipment must be installed in accordance with the manufacturer's installation instructions/requirements. and 3) the installed system must be tested per the manufacturer's post installation test procedure/requirements. ( you should document this in your flight test documentation) So how does this apply to your question? A) If your equipment manufacturer has specific instructions on antenna location then you must follow them. B) If not, you are free to mount the antenna wherever you please but you must test to, and pass, and record or document that you passed the system tests. Soooooooo--mount it under your (non-metallic) painted fiberglass surface. If you pass the test--great--if not have another location in your "hip pocket" and move the antenna. PS: My Garmin antenna clearly says "do not paint" on it. Dave Lammers RV-6 flying RV-10 tailcone Tom Gesele wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele > >Does anyone know if it is legal to mount a GPS antenna under a painted >fiberglass surface if the plane is to be flown IFR? > >I'm considering mounting it on top of the vetical stab, under the fiberglass >fairing and want to find out if it's a legal location. > >Thanks, > Tom Gesele #473 > > > > > > > >Text inserted by Panda Platinum 2005 Internet Security: > > This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://127.0.0.1:6083/Panda?ID=pav_20619&SPAM=true > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:37 PM PST US From: Michael Wellenzohn Subject: Re: RV10-List: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived I bought just the frontend of the dimpler while I was in the U.S. and my uncle constructed the frame. The plans are great and the Dimpler works perfectly fine. Check it out some construction pictures in the tools section in the builder log menu www.wellenzohn.net Michael Wellenzohn #40511 (VS) Switzerland ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:14 PM PST US From: "William" Subject: RV10-List: Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question >FYI, we have ours on the glare shield under the windscreen and, >although I am told that is not acceptable for certified ifr >flight, it should be fine for us. Next time someone says some crap like this, just ask them to cite the reference in FAR Part 23. I bet he won't find it. The antenna placement and specification is usually in the TSO for the GPS by the manufacturer and looking at the Garmin installation manual, any permanent location with full view of the sky and adequate ground plane would do. Not sure what GPS is used, but the nice think about Garmin GPS antennas is that they are powered --even the portable ones! But for the panel mount units, I think when Garmin designed these things, they had cabin class turboprops in mind, which is why they originally came out only with 28 volt versions. I'm sure you could have some awful long antenna coax cable runs in a King Air as you look for an available spot outside the pressure vessel. So the VS tip should be fine -even with the long (as far as RV standards) coax cable run. Not sure where I'll put mine. Was thinking about just rear of the fiberglass cabin top or under the cowling. William Curtis http://nerv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:52 PM PST US From: Michael Wellenzohn Subject: Re: RV10-List: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived --> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Wellenzohn I bought just the frontend of the dimpler while I was in the U.S. and my uncle constructed the frame. The plans are great and the Dimpler works perfectly fine. Check it out some construction pictures in the tools section in the builder log menu http://www.wellenzohn.net Michael Wellenzohn #40511 (VS) Switzerland ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:08 PM PST US From: "Doug and Lynn Stone" Subject: RV10-List: Nose Wheel Some of you have been reporting a possible clearance issue between the valve stem and the nose wheel fork. I laid my parts out on the table and started measuring. Something didn't add up so I contacted MATCO, the manufacturer of the wheel. This is their input: "The NW501.25 is machined for use with an 1145 (Lamb) tire. It sounds like you are trying to use a 5.00x5 tire and tube on it? The NW511.25 is designed for the 5.00x5 tire which has a long valve stem. The NW511.25 has the valve entry hole on the back half of the wheel to accommodate the longer stem of the 5.00x5 tube." (George Happ - MATCO Mfg.) Passed this on to Van's and got this back from Gus: "The NW501.25 has been used on ALL RV-10 finish kits, and is on all the flying RV-10s, using the 5.00x5 tire and tube. The tires are essentially interchangeable; several builders have used the smaller Lamb tire on the 5.00x5 main gear of the two place airplanes. We don't use the 511.25 to avoid stocking two different parts. The valve stem does come close to the fork. On ours, with a plastic cap on the stem, the clearance is about 1/16. It probably may vary a little, if it hits you might have to leave the cap off. " (Gus Funnell) My comment: The correct part, MATCO NW511.25 is stocked by ACS and lists for $128.00. Doug Stone 40263 - Cabin Cover ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question From: jesse@itecusa.org --> RV10-List message posted by: jesse@itecusa.org I am sorry I offended you with my "crap". What I meant was (and notice my comment about not having the technical answer) that in certified aircraft they may have specific requirements for antenna placement, but he regulations seem to be less strict for experimental. Let me rephrase with more technical language...I have heard from a reliable source that the Garmin installation manual says that any permanent location with full view of the sky and adequate ground plane would do, of which the glare shield should be fine for us. Thanks for calling me on that one. It's been a long day with the computer crash and everything. by all means, do not archive Jesse >>FYI, we have ours on the glare shield under the windscreen and, >>although I am told that is not acceptable for certified ifr >>flight, it should be fine for us. > > Next time someone says some crap like this, just ask them to cite the > reference in FAR Part 23. I bet he won't find it. > > The antenna placement and specification is usually in the TSO for the GPS > by the manufacturer and looking at the Garmin installation manual, any > permanent location with full view of the sky and adequate ground plane > would do. Not sure what GPS is used, but the nice think about Garmin GPS > antennas is that they are powered --even the portable ones! But for the > panel mount units, I think when Garmin designed these things, they had > cabin class turboprops in mind, which is why they originally came out only > with 28 volt versions. I'm sure you could have some awful long antenna > coax cable runs in a King Air as you look for an available spot outside > the pressure vessel. So the VS tip should be fine -even with the long (as > far as RV standards) coax cable run. > > Not sure where I'll put mine. Was thinking about just rear of the > fiberglass cabin top or under the cowling. > > > William Curtis > http://nerv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:59 PM PST US From: "John" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question --> RV10-List message posted by: "John" Jesse, and everyone else by all means keep the so called "crap" coming. This is how we learn. After all it's a discussion forum. You take what you want from the info supplied. John 40315 Fuse do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:56 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question > --> RV10-List message posted by: jesse@itecusa.org > > I am sorry I offended you with my "crap". What I meant was (and notice my > comment about not having the technical answer) that in certified aircraft > they may have specific requirements for antenna placement, but he > regulations seem to be less strict for experimental. Let me rephrase with > more technical language...I have heard from a reliable source that the > Garmin installation manual says that any permanent location with full view > of the sky and adequate ground plane would do, of which the glare shield > should be fine for us. Thanks for calling me on that one. It's been a > long day with the computer crash and everything. > > by all means, do not archive > > Jesse > >>>FYI, we have ours on the glare shield under the windscreen and, >>>although I am told that is not acceptable for certified ifr >>>flight, it should be fine for us. >> >> Next time someone says some crap like this, just ask them to cite the >> reference in FAR Part 23. I bet he won't find it. >> >> The antenna placement and specification is usually in the TSO for the GPS >> by the manufacturer and looking at the Garmin installation manual, any >> permanent location with full view of the sky and adequate ground plane >> would do. Not sure what GPS is used, but the nice think about Garmin GPS >> antennas is that they are powered --even the portable ones! But for the >> panel mount units, I think when Garmin designed these things, they had >> cabin class turboprops in mind, which is why they originally came out >> only >> with 28 volt versions. I'm sure you could have some awful long antenna >> coax cable runs in a King Air as you look for an available spot outside >> the pressure vessel. So the VS tip should be fine -even with the long >> (as >> far as RV standards) coax cable run. >> >> Not sure where I'll put mine. Was thinking about just rear of the >> fiberglass cabin top or under the cowling. >> >> >> William Curtis >> http://nerv10.com/ > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:40 PM PST US From: "Merems" Subject: Re: RV10-List: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived Michael, Thank you for the update and the kind words. Sincerely, Paul Merems ExperimentalAero ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Wellenzohn To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: DDRT-2 Dimpler arrived I bought just the frontend of the dimpler while I was in the U.S. and my uncle constructed the frame. The plans are great and the Dimpler works perfectly fine. Check it out some construction pictures in the tools section in the builder log menu www.wellenzohn.net Michael Wellenzohn #40511 (VS) Switzerland ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:40 PM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Headliner rework --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement" Tim, What final fabric or material did you use for your headliner? Did you worry about fire retardant material? How did you finish the edges around the windows, etc. I am looking for materials now since I am about to attach my canopy. John Testement jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Richmond, VA QB Canopy and window trimming -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:40 PM Subject: RV10-List: Headliner rework --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Forgot to add...if you're looking at doing a headliner and you followed my previous info, you will want to re-read and re-think that a bit. Don't use 1/4" foam. A few days ago I tore out my headliner and plan to use fabric like those Colorado -10's used. It might be harder to install now with the canopy secured, but I'll take photos and let you know. Tim -- Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170 Current project: Doors/Windows DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:36 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Headliner rework --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen Not Tim but.... I am using a light gray fabric (Marathon Collection Gray Mix) from Abby at Flightline Interiors . The material is flame resistant. The specs say: Flame Resistance ASTM E-84 Class 1 CAL 117-E Passes MVSS 302 Passes UFAC Class 1 Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (MVSS) Flamability Test #302 Every yard of Marathon production receives the superior flame retardant (FR) finish so it passes the MVSS 302 FR test which makes it suitable for automotive aftermarket and transportation applications. For the window edge treatment Abby's instructions say: "The edge around the windows will need to be trimmed with a utility knife or razor blades. To finish the edges you can use a hot soldering iron to seal and smooth it. This will also prevent any fraying. We recommend sealing the edge above the baggage door too." Larry Rosen John Testement wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement" > >Tim, > >What final fabric or material did you use for your headliner? Did you worry >about fire retardant material? How did you finish the edges around the >windows, etc. I am looking for materials now since I am about to attach my >canopy. > >John Testement >jwt@roadmapscoaching.com >40321 >Richmond, VA >QB Canopy and window trimming > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:40 PM >To: RV10 >Subject: RV10-List: Headliner rework > >--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > >Forgot to add...if you're looking at doing a headliner and you followed my >previous info, you will want to re-read and re-think that a bit. Don't use >1/4" foam. A few days ago I tore out my headliner and plan to use fabric >like those Colorado -10's used. >It might be harder to install now with the canopy secured, but I'll take >photos and let you know. > >Tim > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:39 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Headliner rework --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson All of those fabrics she sells should be at least flame resistant to some point. Probably none of them are aviation certified, but you can make your own judements on what's acceptable in that regard. Sometimes it's just an on-paper certification difference, sometimes maybe it's not. But, just like Larry said, I soldered the edges with a fine-tip iron. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Larry Rosen wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen > > Not Tim but.... > > I am using a light gray fabric (Marathon Collection Gray Mix) from Abby > at Flightline Interiors . The > material is flame resistant. The specs say: > Flame Resistance > ASTM E-84 Class 1 > CAL 117-E Passes > MVSS 302 Passes > UFAC Class 1 > > Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (MVSS) Flamability Test #302 > Every yard of Marathon production receives the superior flame retardant > (FR) finish so it passes the MVSS 302 FR test which makes it suitable > for automotive aftermarket and transportation applications. > > For the window edge treatment Abby's instructions say: > "The edge around the windows will need to be trimmed with a utility > knife or razor blades. To finish the edges you can use a hot soldering > iron to seal and smooth it. This will also prevent any fraying. We > recommend sealing the edge above the baggage door too." > > Larry Rosen > > > John Testement wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement" >> >> >> Tim, >> >> What final fabric or material did you use for your headliner? Did you >> worry >> about fire retardant material? How did you finish the edges around the >> windows, etc. I am looking for materials now since I am about to >> attach my >> canopy. >> >> John Testement >> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com >> 40321 >> Richmond, VA >> QB Canopy and window trimming >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:40 PM >> To: RV10 >> Subject: RV10-List: Headliner rework >> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson >> >> Forgot to add...if you're looking at doing a headliner and you >> followed my >> previous info, you will want to re-read and re-think that a bit. >> Don't use >> 1/4" foam. A few days ago I tore out my headliner and plan to use fabric >> like those Colorado -10's used. >> It might be harder to install now with the canopy secured, but I'll take >> photos and let you know. >> >> Tim >> >> >> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > > > > > > > >