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1. 04:24 AM - Re: Headliner rework (Larry Rosen)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Headliner rework (John Testement)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (William)
4. 06:54 AM - Re: Headliner rework (zackrv8)
5. 06:54 AM - Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (Tom Gesele)
6. 07:04 AM - Re: Headliner rework (John Gonzalez)
7. 07:04 AM - Re: Headliner rework (John Gonzalez)
8. 09:03 AM - IFR GPS (John Hasbrouck)
9. 09:05 AM - Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? (Robin Wessel)
10. 01:06 PM - Re: DuckWorks Landing Lights AND AOA (Jekyll)
11. 04:39 PM - Re: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? (John W. Cox)
12. 04:56 PM - Re: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? (David Schaefer)
13. 07:50 PM - Painting (sam.marlow)
14. 08:05 PM - enigne, drill (Robert G. Wright)
15. 08:23 PM - Re: enigne, drill (David McNeill)
16. 08:47 PM - Re: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? (John Lenhardt)
17. 09:04 PM - Re: engine, drill (Marcus Cooper)
18. 09:18 PM - Re: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? (David McNeill)
19. 10:44 PM - Re: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
20. 10:47 PM - Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
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| Subject: | Re: Headliner rework |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Ahn used a molding around the windshield and windows as you can see on
his web site <http://www.geocities.com/anhvu_rv10/Fuselage3.html>
Ahn, do you have any details?
Larry Rosen
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> All of those fabrics she sells should be at least flame resistant
> to some point. Probably none of them are aviation certified,
> but you can make your own judements on what's acceptable in
> that regard. Sometimes it's just an on-paper certification
> difference, sometimes maybe it's not.
>
> But, just like Larry said, I soldered the edges with a fine-tip
> iron.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> Larry Rosen wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> Not Tim but....
>>
>> I am using a light gray fabric (Marathon Collection Gray Mix) from
>> Abby at Flightline Interiors
>> <http://my.execpc.com/~erdmannb/index.htm>. The material is flame
>> resistant. The specs say:
>> Flame Resistance
>> ASTM E-84 Class 1
>> CAL 117-E Passes
>> MVSS 302 Passes
>> UFAC Class 1
>>
>> Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (MVSS) Flamability Test #302
>> Every yard of Marathon production receives the superior flame
>> retardant (FR) finish so it passes the MVSS 302 FR test which makes
>> it suitable for automotive aftermarket and transportation applications.
>>
>> For the window edge treatment Abby's instructions say:
>> "The edge around the windows will need to be trimmed with a utility
>> knife or razor blades. To finish the edges you can use a hot
>> soldering iron to seal and smooth it. This will also prevent any
>> fraying. We recommend sealing the edge above the baggage door too."
>>
>> Larry Rosen
>> <http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
>>
>> John Testement wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement"
>>> <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>>>
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> What final fabric or material did you use for your headliner? Did
>>> you worry
>>> about fire retardant material? How did you finish the edges around the
>>> windows, etc. I am looking for materials now since I am about to
>>> attach my
>>> canopy.
>>>
>>> John Testement
>>> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
>>> 40321
>>> Richmond, VA
>>> QB Canopy and window trimming
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:40 PM
>>> To: RV10
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Headliner rework
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>> Forgot to add...if you're looking at doing a headliner and you
>>> followed my
>>> previous info, you will want to re-read and re-think that a bit.
>>> Don't use
>>> 1/4" foam. A few days ago I tore out my headliner and plan to use
>>> fabric
>>> like those Colorado -10's used.
>>> It might be harder to install now with the canopy secured, but I'll
>>> take
>>> photos and let you know.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Headliner rework |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement" <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
Tim, Which fabric did you choose and why did you prefer fabric over the foam
backed headliner material?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
QB canopy and windshield trim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Headliner rework
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
All of those fabrics she sells should be at least flame resistant to some
point. Probably none of them are aviation certified, but you can make your
own judements on what's acceptable in that regard. Sometimes it's just an
on-paper certification difference, sometimes maybe it's not.
But, just like Larry said, I soldered the edges with a fine-tip iron.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Not Tim but....
>
> I am using a light gray fabric (Marathon Collection Gray Mix) from
> Abby at Flightline Interiors
> <http://my.execpc.com/~erdmannb/index.htm>. The material is flame
resistant. The specs say:
> Flame Resistance
> ASTM E-84 Class 1
> CAL 117-E Passes
> MVSS 302 Passes
> UFAC Class 1
>
> Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (MVSS) Flamability Test #302 Every yard
> of Marathon production receives the superior flame retardant
> (FR) finish so it passes the MVSS 302 FR test which makes it suitable
> for automotive aftermarket and transportation applications.
>
> For the window edge treatment Abby's instructions say:
> "The edge around the windows will need to be trimmed with a utility
> knife or razor blades. To finish the edges you can use a hot
> soldering iron to seal and smooth it. This will also prevent any
> fraying. We recommend sealing the edge above the baggage door too."
>
> Larry Rosen
> <http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
>
> John Testement wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement"
>> <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> What final fabric or material did you use for your headliner? Did you
>> worry about fire retardant material? How did you finish the edges
>> around the windows, etc. I am looking for materials now since I am
>> about to attach my canopy.
>>
>> John Testement
>> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
>> 40321
>> Richmond, VA
>> QB Canopy and window trimming
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:40 PM
>> To: RV10
>> Subject: RV10-List: Headliner rework
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Forgot to add...if you're looking at doing a headliner and you
>> followed my previous info, you will want to re-read and re-think that
>> a bit.
>> Don't use
>> 1/4" foam. A few days ago I tore out my headliner and plan to use
>> fabric like those Colorado -10's used.
>> It might be harder to install now with the canopy secured, but I'll
>> take photos and let you know.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
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Cc: jesse@itecusa.org
| Subject: | Re: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question |
>I am sorry I offended you with my "crap".
Jesse,
This was not directed at you, more to the person that told you it was not acceptable
without citing the reference. In all my years of airplane ownership, unfortunately
it has become my standard response because some many people seem to
make up FARs on the fly.
No offence intended, no offence felt.
Do not archive.
William Curtis
http://nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Headliner rework |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
[quote="LarryRosen"]Ahn used a molding around the windshield and windows as you
can see on
his web site
Ahn, do you have any details?
Larry Rosen
I visited Anh's Rv10 a couple of months ago. He has a very nice fabric on his
headliner (I forgot the name). I think he also has a closed cell foam behind
it. Not sure of the thinkness.
Anh did all of his sewing on the interior. He even did his seats. Beautiful
work. He even made a cell phone pocket on the side of his seats! Pretty cool.
Zack
See photos below.
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
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| Subject: | IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele <tgesele@optonline.net>
As a follow-up, I sent the same inquiry to the manufacturer of the GPS I
plan on using, here's the response:
"So long as the antenna has a clear line of sight to the sky and is not
compromised by either the fuselage or the paint then it should be okay. I'd
strongly recommend that you test it in the desired position before making a
final commitment however. WAAS receivers are much more sensitive to
multi-path reflected signals and you may find that it has to be installed
outside on top."
Based on that, I'll likely be mounting the GPS antenna on top of the
fuselage someplace.
Thanks to all who replied..
Tom Gesele #473
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele <tgesele@optonline.net>
>
> Does anyone know if it is legal to mount a GPS antenna under a painted
> fiberglass surface if the plane is to be flown IFR?
>
> I'm considering mounting it on top of the vetical stab, under the
> fiberglass
> fairing and want to find out if it's a legal location.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Gesele #473
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Headliner rework |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>From: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Headliner rework
>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:20:51 -0500
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
>Ahn used a molding around the windshield and windows as you can see on his
>web site <http://www.geocities.com/anhvu_rv10/Fuselage3.html>
>
>Ahn, do you have any details?
>
>Larry Rosen
>
>Tim Olson wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>>All of those fabrics she sells should be at least flame resistant
>>to some point. Probably none of them are aviation certified,
>>but you can make your own judements on what's acceptable in
>>that regard. Sometimes it's just an on-paper certification
>>difference, sometimes maybe it's not.
>>
>>But, just like Larry said, I soldered the edges with a fine-tip
>>iron.
>>
>>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>
>>
>>
>>Larry Rosen wrote:
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>>
>>>Not Tim but....
>>>
>>>I am using a light gray fabric (Marathon Collection Gray Mix) from Abby
>>>at Flightline Interiors <http://my.execpc.com/~erdmannb/index.htm>. The
>>>material is flame resistant. The specs say:
>>>Flame Resistance
>>>ASTM E-84 Class 1
>>>CAL 117-E Passes
>>>MVSS 302 Passes
>>>UFAC Class 1
>>>
>>>Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (MVSS) Flamability Test #302
>>>Every yard of Marathon production receives the superior flame retardant
>>>(FR) finish so it passes the MVSS 302 FR test which makes it suitable for
>>>automotive aftermarket and transportation applications.
>>>
>>>For the window edge treatment Abby's instructions say:
>>>"The edge around the windows will need to be trimmed with a utility knife
>>>or razor blades. To finish the edges you can use a hot soldering iron to
>>>seal and smooth it. This will also prevent any fraying. We recommend
>>>sealing the edge above the baggage door too."
>>>
>>>Larry Rosen
>>><http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
>>>
>>>John Testement wrote:
>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement"
>>>><jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>>>>
>>>>Tim,
>>>>
>>>>What final fabric or material did you use for your headliner? Did you
>>>>worry
>>>>about fire retardant material? How did you finish the edges around the
>>>>windows, etc. I am looking for materials now since I am about to attach
>>>>my
>>>>canopy.
>>>>
>>>>John Testement
>>>>jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
>>>>40321
>>>>Richmond, VA
>>>>QB Canopy and window trimming
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:40 PM
>>>>To: RV10
>>>>Subject: RV10-List: Headliner rework
>>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>>
>>>>Forgot to add...if you're looking at doing a headliner and you followed
>>>>my
>>>>previous info, you will want to re-read and re-think that a bit. Don't
>>>>use
>>>>1/4" foam. A few days ago I tore out my headliner and plan to use
>>>>fabric
>>>>like those Colorado -10's used.
>>>>It might be harder to install now with the canopy secured, but I'll take
>>>>photos and let you know.
>>>>
>>>>Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: Headliner rework |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Larry,
That looks fantastic. Great job. Thanks for sharing.
JG.
Do NOt Archive
>From: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Headliner rework
>Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:20:51 -0500
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
>Ahn used a molding around the windshield and windows as you can see on his
>web site <http://www.geocities.com/anhvu_rv10/Fuselage3.html>
>
>Ahn, do you have any details?
>
>Larry Rosen
>
>Tim Olson wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>>All of those fabrics she sells should be at least flame resistant
>>to some point. Probably none of them are aviation certified,
>>but you can make your own judements on what's acceptable in
>>that regard. Sometimes it's just an on-paper certification
>>difference, sometimes maybe it's not.
>>
>>But, just like Larry said, I soldered the edges with a fine-tip
>>iron.
>>
>>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>
>>
>>
>>Larry Rosen wrote:
>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>>
>>>Not Tim but....
>>>
>>>I am using a light gray fabric (Marathon Collection Gray Mix) from Abby
>>>at Flightline Interiors <http://my.execpc.com/~erdmannb/index.htm>. The
>>>material is flame resistant. The specs say:
>>>Flame Resistance
>>>ASTM E-84 Class 1
>>>CAL 117-E Passes
>>>MVSS 302 Passes
>>>UFAC Class 1
>>>
>>>Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (MVSS) Flamability Test #302
>>>Every yard of Marathon production receives the superior flame retardant
>>>(FR) finish so it passes the MVSS 302 FR test which makes it suitable for
>>>automotive aftermarket and transportation applications.
>>>
>>>For the window edge treatment Abby's instructions say:
>>>"The edge around the windows will need to be trimmed with a utility knife
>>>or razor blades. To finish the edges you can use a hot soldering iron to
>>>seal and smooth it. This will also prevent any fraying. We recommend
>>>sealing the edge above the baggage door too."
>>>
>>>Larry Rosen
>>><http://lrosen.nerv10.com>
>>>
>>>John Testement wrote:
>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement"
>>>><jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
>>>>
>>>>Tim,
>>>>
>>>>What final fabric or material did you use for your headliner? Did you
>>>>worry
>>>>about fire retardant material? How did you finish the edges around the
>>>>windows, etc. I am looking for materials now since I am about to attach
>>>>my
>>>>canopy.
>>>>
>>>>John Testement
>>>>jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
>>>>40321
>>>>Richmond, VA
>>>>QB Canopy and window trimming
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:40 PM
>>>>To: RV10
>>>>Subject: RV10-List: Headliner rework
>>>>
>>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>>
>>>>Forgot to add...if you're looking at doing a headliner and you followed
>>>>my
>>>>previous info, you will want to re-read and re-think that a bit. Don't
>>>>use
>>>>1/4" foam. A few days ago I tore out my headliner and plan to use
>>>>fabric
>>>>like those Colorado -10's used.
>>>>It might be harder to install now with the canopy secured, but I'll take
>>>>photos and let you know.
>>>>
>>>>Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>
>>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
You say you want a reference for IFR or VFR GPS installations? Try:
AC20-130A. This Advisory Circular is the basis for not only GPS but
VLF/Omega and Loran-c. You will notice if you read it that the previously
mentioned criterion for approval are indeed valid. The final approval rests
with the FSDO. In the past the FAA has dodged questions of IFR operation
of experimental category aircraft, operating in a seemingly don't ask, don't
tell mode. My guess is that everyone will be happy until someone in an
experimental creates a problem in the system that causes an accident, then
the FAA tombstone regulation machine will kick into high gear. Suggest any
installation be installed and tested according to the guidance in the
circular to protect both of our buts.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? |
I just reviewed Garmin's 2005 earnings report and they state that they
expect to grow their G1000 revenue 20% thru increased OEM and aftermarket
installs.
I wonder if "aftermarket" suggests that the G1000 will be available for the
RV-10? Affordability is an entirely different question.
Robin Wessel
RV-10 fuse
Tigard, OR
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| Subject: | Re: DuckWorks Landing Lights AND AOA |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jekyll" <rcitjh@aol.com>
schmoboy(at)cox.net wrote:
>
> Ok, I have two DW HID landing light kits, one for each wing and I also
> have the AOA kit.
> Anyone else have this scenario where both the HID kit and the AOA are
> recommended in the outer most bay of the leading edge. It's seems I may
> have space problems between the HID mounting bracket and the AOA port
> location.
> Any suggestions from those out there that have the DW kits and the AOA?
> -Sean #40303
I installed both in a RV7 - no problemo. I was more concerned about airflow disruption
resulting from the cutout because of the warnings in the manual to ensure
a smooth flow. I emailed Rob Hickman and he said no worry. Cut away and put
both in the same bay. Mine were simple to install. I put a regular light in
front of the AoA but the HID would be no different. My other wing has a HID and
I put the power supply on the outboard side of the rib so it is easilly accessable
from the removeable wing tip and this, of course, would not interfere with
the AoA.
Jekyll
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| Subject: | Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? |
No, their Marketing VP in Salem said that all growth will be through
partnerships with OEM Certified Aircraft Manufacturers only. He
wouldn't even give a glimmer of hope. They have two new birds
undergoing Garmin cert at KSLE in Salem at this time.
John - KUAO
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Wessel
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install?
I just reviewed Garmin's 2005 earnings report and they state that they
expect to grow their G1000 revenue 20% thru increased OEM and
aftermarket installs.
I wonder if "aftermarket" suggests that the G1000 will be available for
the RV-10? Affordability is an entirely different question.
Robin Wessel
RV-10 fuse
Tigard, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? |
Not to be unexpected. I've found Garmin the most difficult of the companies
to deal with, even after spending thousands with them. They don't have the
slightest care about Experimental's, which is too bad considering I suspect
a bulk of the annual purchases of their avionics come from that market. I
don't understand why these companies don't have 'homebuilder' specific
departments with support etc. But, they continue to rake in our dollars,
primarily because of the lack of competition, so there is no reason to
change. I find it interesting that they come to Sun 'n Fun and Oshkosh to
ply their wares but that's where it ends.
On 2/25/06, John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
>
> No, their Marketing VP in Salem said that all growth will be through
> partnerships with OEM Certified Aircraft Manufacturers only. He wouldn't
> even give a glimmer of hope. They have two new birds undergoing Garmin cert
> at KSLE in Salem at this time.
>
>
> John - KUAO
>
>
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> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Wessel
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:05 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install?
>
>
> I just reviewed Garmin's 2005 earnings report and they state that they
> expect to grow their G1000 revenue 20% thru increased OEM and aftermarket
> installs.
>
>
> I wonder if "aftermarket" suggests that the G1000 will be available for
> the RV-10? Affordability is an entirely different question.
>
>
> Robin Wessel
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> RV-10 fuse
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> Tigard, OR
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David Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
www.n142ds.com
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "sam.marlow" <sam.marlow@adelphia.net>
For those of you that have finishd building an RV of any type, can you shed some
light on weather to assemble fully before or after painting?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=15052#15052
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Where is a good resource for finding out if a various 540 engine styles are
convertible to the D4A5?
Rob #392
Does anyone have that 7.9mm drill that we can begin passing around for
shipping costs?
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| Subject: | Re: enigne, drill |
try www.mcmaster.com
they are $7.50. pretty difficult to justify shipping one around. I bought three.
do not archive.
Part Number: 29355A131 1-11 Each $7.54 Each
12 or more $6.45 Each
Drill Quantity
Individual Drills
Metric Drill Size
7.9 mm (.3110")
Drill Bit Style
Jobbers'-Length Drill Bits
Jobbers'-Length Drill Bits
Standard
Drill Bit Composition
Cobalt Steel
Surface Treatment
Nitro-Carburized Finish
Point Angle
135=B0 Split Point
Overall Length
117 mm
Flute Length
75 mm
Shank Type
Straight
Specifications Met
Manufactured to DIN Length Specifications
Note
The shank diameter is the same as the drill size.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert G. Wright
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: enigne, drill
Where is a good resource for finding out if a various 540 engine styles are convertible
to the D4A5?
Rob #392
Does anyone have that 7.9mm drill that we can begin passing around for shipping
costs?
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? |
Garmin is the Microsoft of the avionics market. They know you'll buy it anyway
because (1) most do for certified airplanes, (2) resale value, and like you said,
(3) little or no competition. If we'll buy it anyway without support, why
provide it? It's much easier to support an OEM. Once certified and the units
install OK, support is easy if any is required at all. Why deal with hundreds
of buyers/installers with each installation unique. They're so arrogant that
they "price fix" their products with legal loopholes. Why were the 430/530's
quoted installed only? Why are 396's the exact same price from all dealers?
Getting off my soapbox now.....
John Lenhardt
#40262
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: David Schaefer
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install?
Not to be unexpected. I've found Garmin the most difficult of the companies
to deal with, even after spending thousands with them. They don't have the slightest
care about Experimental's, which is too bad considering I suspect a bulk
of the annual purchases of their avionics come from that market. I don't understand
why these companies don't have 'homebuilder' specific departments with
support etc. But, they continue to rake in our dollars, primarily because
of the lack of competition, so there is no reason to change. I find it interesting
that they come to Sun 'n Fun and Oshkosh to ply their wares but that's where
it ends.
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Rob,
There was some discussion about 7.9mm bits previously, you may want to
check the archives. A number of folks are using 5/16 bits with great
success, I plan to do the same soon.
Marcus
40286
Razor! - Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: enigne, drill
Where is a good resource for finding out if a various 540 engine styles are
convertible to the D4A5?
Rob #392
Does anyone have that 7.9mm drill that we can begin passing around for
shipping costs?
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? |
The only consolation is that King Radio was the same way before Gar and Min left
King to do business different.
And those of you waiting for the WAAS cert on the 430/530; why do you think they
bought UPSAT? 480?
----- Original Message -----
From: John Lenhardt
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install?
Garmin is the Microsoft of the avionics market. They know you'll buy it anyway
because (1) most do for certified airplanes, (2) resale value, and like you
said, (3) little or no competition. If we'll buy it anyway without support,
why provide it? It's much easier to support an OEM. Once certified and the units
install OK, support is easy if any is required at all. Why deal with hundreds
of buyers/installers with each installation unique. They're so arrogant
that they "price fix" their products with legal loopholes. Why were the 430/530's
quoted installed only? Why are 396's the exact same price from all dealers?
Getting off my soapbox now.....
John Lenhardt
#40262
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: David Schaefer
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install?
Not to be unexpected. I've found Garmin the most difficult of the companies
to deal with, even after spending thousands with them. They don't have the
slightest care about Experimental's, which is too bad considering I suspect a
bulk of the annual purchases of their avionics come from that market. I don't
understand why these companies don't have 'homebuilder' specific departments
with support etc. But, they continue to rake in our dollars, primarily because
of the lack of competition, so there is no reason to change. I find it interesting
that they come to Sun 'n Fun and Oshkosh to ply their wares but that's
where it ends.
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| Subject: | Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install? |
And how come the government didn't look at the Garmin purchase of UPSAT as a takeover
that was going to be detrimental to the customer? The only two producers
of General Aviation GPS/NAV/COMs, and they let them get scooped up?
L-3 really should have bought UPSAT, since they needed radio experience. But I
think the GA part of L-3 is mostly ignored by corporate HQ . . .
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of John Lenhardt
Sent: Sat 2/25/2006 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install?
Garmin is the Microsoft of the avionics market. They know you'll buy it anyway
because (1) most do for certified airplanes, (2) resale value, and like you said,
(3) little or no competition. If we'll buy it anyway without support, why
provide it? It's much easier to support an OEM. Once certified and the units
install OK, support is easy if any is required at all. Why deal with hundreds
of buyers/installers with each installation unique. They're so arrogant that
they "price fix" their products with legal loopholes. Why were the 430/530's
quoted installed only? Why are 396's the exact same price from all dealers?
Getting off my soapbox now.....
John Lenhardt
#40262
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: David Schaefer
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin G1000 for aftermarket install?
Not to be unexpected. I've found Garmin the most difficult of the companies
to deal with, even after spending thousands with them. They don't have the slightest
care about Experimental's, which is too bad considering I suspect a bulk
of the annual purchases of their avionics come from that market. I don't understand
why these companies don't have 'homebuilder' specific departments with
support etc. But, they continue to rake in our dollars, primarily because
of the lack of competition, so there is no reason to change. I find it interesting
that they come to Sun 'n Fun and Oshkosh to ply their wares but that's where
it ends.
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| Subject: | IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question |
The GPS is one of the lowest-profile antennas you are going to have, so why not
install in on the outside, with lots of metal ground plane around it?
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Fri 2/24/2006 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question
I could be wrong but I don't believe there are any IFR requirements around where
to mount any antennas in an experimental aircraft. Usually antenna mounting
locations are dictated by the manufacturer or basic guidelines. Many people
mount the GPS antennas under the cowl and even more mount their Nav antennas in
wingtips. As long as you have reliable reception I wouldn't worry about it.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gesele
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: IFR GPS Antenna Mounting Question
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele <tgesele@optonline.net>
Does anyone know if it is legal to mount a GPS antenna under a painted fiberglass
surface if the plane is to be flown IFR?
I'm considering mounting it on top of the vetical stab, under the fiberglass fairing
and want to find out if it's a legal location.
Thanks,
Tom Gesele #473
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