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1. 04:34 AM - Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's Involved (Robert E. Lynch)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's Involved (Rene Felker)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Re: Headliner rework (John Testement)
4. 06:37 AM - Re: I have a Friend who screwed up his rudder - what would you do? (Jeff Dalton)
5. 06:41 AM - Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's Involved (Brian Sponcil)
6. 07:06 AM - Re: I have a Friend who screwed up his rudder - what would you do? (Tim Olson)
7. 07:40 AM - Re: elevator trim tab hardware (Bruce Patton)
8. 08:14 AM - Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's Involved (John Gonzalez)
9. 01:45 PM - Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's Involved (Rick)
10. 01:45 PM - Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's Involved (John Dunne)
11. 02:27 PM - Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's Involved (McGANN, Ron)
12. 02:35 PM - Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's Involved (John Dunne)
13. 04:54 PM - I'm stumped (Deems Davis)
14. 06:28 PM - Re: I'm stumped (Rick)
15. 07:14 PM - Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's Involved (Dave Leikam)
16. 07:31 PM - Sun'n'Fun (John Dunne)
17. 08:38 PM - Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's Involved (Bill and Tami Britton)
18. 11:32 PM - Official RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
19. 11:38 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Look Dummy,Think!!!!!
Cleco the plate on the outside in the holes of the hinge. Drill the new holes,
take apart, deburr, install on the inside and rivet. No big deal, a 30 minute
job at most.
Bob
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| Subject: | RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's |
Involved
Did it this weekend. Match drilled with the plate from the outside, rivetd
plate on the inside. Also, only removed rivets from skin on one side, just
enough to get the squeezer in to set the rivets. Other than waiting for
primer to dry, took a total of 30 minutes for me and my brother-in-law to do
it.
Rene' Felker
40322
Fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's
Involved
Can anyone please tell me if they have installed the Vertical Stabiliser
doubler which is being issued by Vans, and if there are any traps. As yet
us 'southerners' on Oz haven't received the doubler.
I have read the AD and am a little concerned about match drilling the
doubler into the rear spar from the inside, most likely using the 90 degree
drill, bearing in mind that the top rib will still be partly fixed in place.
Your experience would be appreciated please.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
PATRICK PULIS
Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Headliner rework |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement" <jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
Ahn,
How did you do your headliner - looks great! How did you trim the edges?
What foam/sound insulation did you use under the fabric, if any?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
QB canopy and windshield trim
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zackrv8
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:52 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Headliner rework
--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
[quote="LarryRosen"]Ahn used a molding around the windshield and windows as
you can see on his web site
Ahn, do you have any details?
Larry Rosen
I visited Anh's Rv10 a couple of months ago. He has a very nice fabric on
his headliner (I forgot the name). I think he also has a closed cell foam
behind it. Not sure of the thinkness.
Anh did all of his sewing on the interior. He even did his seats.
Beautiful work. He even made a cell phone pocket on the side of his seats!
Pretty cool.
Zack
See photos below.
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| Subject: | Re: I have a Friend who screwed up his rudder - what would |
you do?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jeff Dalton" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
Thanks for all the responses. I appreciate the advice - and I'm confused
about some of the more visceral reactions - I was just asking.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:05 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: I have a Friend who screwed up his rudder - what
would you do?
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> I once read in EAA's magazine "Sport Aviation" a quote I recite every time
> I make a mistake.
>
>
> "It's OK to make mistakes, that's a normal part of building, It's not a
> normal part of building to disregard it and not correct them".
>
> As you progress through this process you will make mistakes, in order to
> offset that knot that occurs in your stomach when you do screw something
> up you need to untie the knot by backing up and fixing your mistake
> I.A.W. the plans/designer/expert intentions.
>
> When I first read this post this morning I thought it was a joke as well.
> My first knee jerk response was to advice your "friend" to call Cirrus and
> arrange for a demo flight and reconsider building...that was a mean
> spirited thought :)
>
> My advice? Rebuild the rudder, but wait a few in a few months. You won't
> drill out all those rivets without rounding out too many the holes in the
> ribs, skins and trailing edge. Attend an EAA meeting and bring the rudder
> for show and tell. It will make you feel a lot better after everyone tells
> you that's nuthin....you should see what I did once...
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> Finishing
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's |
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RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's Involved
I wouldn't worry about it. Other than the initial inertia of not wanting to drill
out perfectly good rivets, it goes pretty smoothly. And, as others have pointed
out, match drill from the outside. No need to make it harder on yourself.
-Brian
N211BD
#40497
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Pulis
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's
Involved
Can anyone please tell me if they have installed the Vertical Stabiliser doubler
which is being issued by Vans, and if there are any traps. As yet us 'southerners'
on Oz haven't received the doubler.
I have read the AD and am a little concerned about match drilling the doubler
into the rear spar from the inside, most likely using the 90 degree drill, bearing
in mind that the top rib will still be partly fixed in place.
Your experience would be appreciated please.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
PATRICK PULIS
Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | Re: I have a Friend who screwed up his rudder - what would |
you do?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Try not to worry about the bad reactions...it's easy to misinterpret
on forums, and they could have been meant with a humorous tone.
It's also easy for people to step over bounds that they normally
wouldn't in person.
Everything I post is almost always meant to be taken with humor.
I was going to write back that you need to start hanging out with
new friends. ;) Lord knows, I made my share of mistakes, so
you won't find me pointing fingers. This one was a bit on the
confusing side though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jeff Dalton wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jeff Dalton" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
>
> Thanks for all the responses. I appreciate the advice - and I'm
> confused about some of the more visceral reactions - I was just asking.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" <ricksked@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:05 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: I have a Friend who screwed up his rudder - what
> would you do?
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>>
>> I once read in EAA's magazine "Sport Aviation" a quote I recite every
>> time I make a mistake.
>>
>>
>> "It's OK to make mistakes, that's a normal part of building, It's not
>> a normal part of building to disregard it and not correct them".
>>
>> As you progress through this process you will make mistakes, in order
>> to offset that knot that occurs in your stomach when you do screw
>> something up you need to untie the knot by backing up and fixing your
>> mistake I.A.W. the plans/designer/expert intentions.
>>
>> When I first read this post this morning I thought it was a joke as
>> well. My first knee jerk response was to advice your "friend" to call
>> Cirrus and arrange for a demo flight and reconsider building...that
>> was a mean spirited thought :)
>>
>> My advice? Rebuild the rudder, but wait a few in a few months. You
>> won't drill out all those rivets without rounding out too many the
>> holes in the ribs, skins and trailing edge. Attend an EAA meeting and
>> bring the rudder for show and tell. It will make you feel a lot better
>> after everyone tells you that's nuthin....you should see what I did
>> once...
>>
>> Rick S.
>> 40185
>> Finishing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: elevator trim tab hardware |
After flying my -6A for about four years, the hole in the trim tab horn started
to wear resulting is some freeplay in the tab. This is another way to get flutter,
a trim tab that floats.
I found a piece of steel brake line from my junk pile that had a 3/16 I.D. and
a very thin wall. Cut a piece about 3/32 long, drill out the trim tab hole
so it was a light press fit, used some JB Weld on the joint. Now it won't ever
wear. As I recall, it then took a thin washer on each side of the pin.
Bruce Patton
"Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net> wrote:
After fitting my clevis pins to the trim tab horns, I noticed that
Ill not be able to get all three washers on that the plans call for and still
insert the cotter pin. I figure that should be okay, as therell be no play
in the system. Reason why Im asking instead of just going ahead is that Vans
has been pretty good at stating Maximum or Minimum of ## washers if youre allowed
wiggle room. Any one handy to their airplane thats seen this and has a
fix?
Of course I could be reading the plans wrong, but I see them as stating that
all the washers go outside the horn tabs. I have no pic yet.
Rob #392
Emp attach
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's |
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Hi Bob,
I hope you are on a very personal relationship with our brothers down under.
If not, I think it would be better to be nice.
In my opinion, I thought about doing exactly as you intend to do, use the
doubler as a guide on the outside and then install it on the inside. When
you think about it, this technically is not the correct way to do this
unless you have a device that can keep the drill bit perfectly perpendicular
to the spar web. Any deviation from perpendicular will result in the exit
hole on the inside of the spar web being in a slightly different location
from where the original hole is on the doubler.
It is all a matter of how anal you want to be and how sensitive you are to
doing thing not exactly the way they should be. I guess if one can keep the
drill perpendicular do it from the outside, if you are worried about that
and think that the right angle drill can get in there and do it better, do
it that way.
You could also drill all the undrilled holes with a 1/8(if it calls for
final size -4 rivets) and cleco as you go, using the doubler as the guide
on the outside and then final drill to size #30 with the doubler on the
inside with everything locked in place with the clecoes.
It is also about how sensitive one is to being called a DUMMY!
Excuse me if you guys are the best of friends.
In all respects, construction and emotions, it is about tolerance isn't it.
JG.
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>From: "Robert E. Lynch" <rv6lynch@earthlink.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification -
>What's Involved
>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 06:31:29 -0600
>
>Look Dummy,Think!!!!!
>
>Cleco the plate on the outside in the holes of the hinge. Drill the new
>holes, take apart, deburr, install on the inside and rivet. No big deal, a
>30 minute job at most.
>
>Bob
>do not archive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Well said John,
"Dummy" doesn't have a place....I would hope that was used in jest. When the founding
posters (I would like to think I was one of them) shifted from Yahoo to
this site, we had developed a bond that was built on humor and "digs" all in
fun. FWIW, I had thought the same thing about that plate but it was on the back
burner for figuring the process out......So I'll sign under the dummy list and
join the club. Everytime I looked at a new set of plans for the next kit I
had a whole lot of questions.....none of them dumb though. Isn't there an unwritten
rule that there are no "dumb" or "stupid" questions?
Rick S.
40185
Finishing kit
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How Rude!!
The last thing we want or need on this list is lots of bystanders, unable to
contribute for fear of being shot down!
You might have forgotten, we not only build these machines ... we also have
to do it upside down!! :-)
John 40315 (RV Brothers in Oz)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert E. Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification -
What's Involved
Look Dummy,Think!!!!!
Cleco the plate on the outside in the holes of the hinge. Drill the new
holes, take apart, deburr, install on the inside and rivet. No big deal, a
30 minute job at most.
Bob
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>From the archives, Bob has made a number of valuable contributions to RV lists
over a number of years. This response seems most out of character. Perhaps
he's just had a bad day. (Maybe he dropped his VS after doing the repair.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Thursday, 2 March 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's
Involved
How Rude!!
The last thing we want or need on this list is lots of bystanders, unable to contribute
for fear of being shot down!
You might have forgotten, we not only build these machines ..... we also have to
do it upside down!! :-)
John 40315 (RV Brothers in Oz)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert E. Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's
Involved
Look Dummy,Think!!!!!
Cleco the plate on the outside in the holes of the hinge. Drill the new holes,
take apart, deburr, install on the inside and rivet. No big deal, a 30 minute
job at most.
Bob
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Dropped it?
...I use mine as a bat when I'm playing with the kids in the yard ;-)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Thursday, 2 March 2006 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification -
What's Involved
>From the archives, Bob has made a number of valuable contributions to RV
lists over a number of years. This response seems most out of character.
Perhaps he's just had a bad day. (Maybe he dropped his VS after doing the
repair.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Thursday, 2 March 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification -
What's Involved
How Rude!!
The last thing we want or need on this list is lots of bystanders, unable to
contribute for fear of being shot down!
You might have forgotten, we not only build these machines ... we also have
to do it upside down!! :-)
John 40315 (RV Brothers in Oz)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert E. Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification -
What's Involved
Look Dummy,Think!!!!!
Cleco the plate on the outside in the holes of the hinge. Drill the new
holes, take apart, deburr, install on the inside and rivet. No big deal, a
30 minute job at most.
Bob
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I'm stumped (not a rare instance). I'm attaching the WD-1004 Nose Gear
Tension Fittings to the F-1048 Fwd Fusalage Ribs prior to riveting the
assemblies to the Firewall (Plans Sec 27-4 step 7). There are 50 AN470
AD 4-5 rivets that get set in this section . There are ALSO 8 AN470 AD
4-6 rivets that are the most forward (closest to the firewall) I can't
seem to figure a way to get a rivet gun on these 8 rivets, unless I move
the shop head to the other (inside) side of the rib. Anybody got have a
tip here?
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Deems,
You will have to trim the firewall stiffeners. Go up about 1" and over a 1/2" shaped
like a 30/60 triangle, and trim it enough to get your offset rivet set on
the head...it's a pain. I'll do a picture and email to you in a bit...dinner
time.
Rick S.
40185
Finishing kit inventory
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's |
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RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's InvolvedI got my doubler
about 2 weeks ago. I had just started the rudder. It took me about 2 hours
to install the doubler in the VS. No problems, very straight forward. Maybe
call Vans to get them to send yours out.
Dave Leikam
#40496
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----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Pulis
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's
Involved
Can anyone please tell me if they have installed the Vertical Stabiliser doubler
which is being issued by Vans, and if there are any traps. As yet us 'southerners'
on Oz haven't received the doubler.
I have read the AD and am a little concerned about match drilling the doubler
into the rear spar from the inside, most likely using the 90 degree drill, bearing
in mind that the top rib will still be partly fixed in place.
Your experience would be appreciated please.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
PATRICK PULIS
Adelaide, South Australia
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Any Rv-10's planning to be at Sun'n'Fun by any chance?
John 40315
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's |
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RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's InvolvedPat, it's a no
brainer. I looked at mine for a few days before I just decided to tear it apart
and get it done. My VS was finished and it probably took the equivalent of
2 hours to do the SB start to finish. As for match drilling the doubler it
can be done. I used the regular sioux palm drill (it was very tight) but a right
angle drill would have been so much better.
Bill Britton
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Leikam
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's
Involved
I got my doubler about 2 weeks ago. I had just started the rudder. It took
me about 2 hours to install the doubler in the VS. No problems, very straight
forward. Maybe call Vans to get them to send yours out.
Dave Leikam
#40496
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----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Pulis
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Rudder Hinge Bracket Doubler Modification - What's
Involved
Can anyone please tell me if they have installed the Vertical Stabiliser doubler
which is being issued by Vans, and if there are any traps. As yet us 'southerners'
on Oz haven't received the doubler.
I have read the AD and am a little concerned about match drilling the doubler
into the rear spar from the inside, most likely using the 90 degree drill,
bearing in mind that the top rib will still be partly fixed in place.
Your experience would be appreciated please.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
PATRICK PULIS
Adelaide, South Australia
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete RV10-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains RV10-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the RV10-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the RV10-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosures Stripped Out - Can't Get a Virus From the List ***
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Any enclosures that are posted to the List will automatically be
stripped off, and ONLY the plain/text portion of the message will be
forwarded to the List.
Please configure your Email application to send Plain Text Only, and
disable any "Quoted Printable" or "HTML" encoding whenever possible.
Because enclosures are stripped out of incoming posts to the List,
the likelihood of getting a virus from the List is extremely small.
If you do receive a message that appears to be from the List, and it
does include a virus, it is very likely that it was sent *directly*
to you from someone on the List who has a virus. This is a specific
kind of virus, and you should try to inform the sender, if possible.
The best protection against viruses is a good virus protection program
such as Norton Antivirus. State of the art in virus protection today's
world gives maximum protection with little or no negative impact on
the computer system. You can't afford to be without a good virus
protection program these days.
Note that some limited enclosure posting is now enabled on a number
of Lists. Allowed types include .jpg, .gif, .txt, .pdf, .xls, and
a few other similar types.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
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Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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