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1. 04:14 AM - Nice article on Kits 40108 and 40109 in EAA mag this month (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: Sun'n'Fun (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 06:12 AM - Anh's Interior (zackrv8)
4. 09:00 AM - Re: I'm stumped (William)
5. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: I'm stumped (Rick)
6. 10:10 AM - Re: I'm stumped (Rick)
7. 10:19 AM - Re: Anh's Interior (Rick)
8. 11:05 AM - "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Jeff Carpenter)
9. 11:31 AM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
10. 11:56 AM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
11. 12:13 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
12. 12:34 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (John Lenhardt)
13. 01:00 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
14. 01:00 PM - Re: I'm stumped (Deems Davis)
15. 01:48 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Jerry Grimmonpre)
16. 02:22 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Jesse Saint)
17. 02:49 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Tim Olson)
18. 03:15 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Jeff Carpenter)
19. 03:18 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (nyterminat@aol.com)
20. 03:20 PM - I'm stumped - Again! (Deems Davis)
21. 03:22 PM - MSB Lycoming engines (John Dunne)
22. 03:49 PM - Re: I'm stumped - Again! (McGANN, Ron)
23. 03:57 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Marcus Cooper)
24. 04:25 PM - Re: MSB Lycoming engines (John Dunne)
25. 04:38 PM - Re: I'm stumped - Again! (Rick)
26. 04:44 PM - Re: I'm stumped - Again! (Rick)
27. 04:49 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (LessDragProd@aol.com)
28. 05:38 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (bob.kaufmann)
29. 05:40 PM - Re: I'm stumped - Again! (Deems Davis)
30. 05:40 PM - Re: I'm stumped - Again! (William)
31. 07:13 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (LIKE2LOOP@AOL.COM)
32. 07:25 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Dave)
33. 07:52 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (linn Walters)
34. 08:41 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Robert G. Wright)
35. 09:14 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (John W. Cox)
36. 10:32 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (John Dunne)
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| Subject: | Nice article on Kits 40108 and 40109 in EAA mag this month |
If you've been too busy building this week or have not had the chance to
look March 06 EAA Sport Aviation, there's a very nice write up on the above kit
numbers and their builders...a joint project pp 46-52.
The article is a bit skimpy on details of the build...but I like the part
when the chase plane and RV-6 has trouble catching the RV-10...fly em light and
hot!
I'm sure many of you saw these at KOSH this past summer. John Stewart in
N104ME received a Bronze Lindy and his partner Larry Feldhausen in N104LJ (a
first time builder) received a Workmanship Trophy...the pix's are interesting as
well...I know this note is not about building but though since no one's
point out the article that it may has slipped by some folks and some may not be
members of EAA.
I thought it was a good read.
Patrick Scott
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Hi John,
You stole my question :>} Yes, I plan on being there and was wondering the same
thing as you.
Wayne Edgerton 40336
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Folks,
Anh had to re-subscribe to this list and asked me to post the following message
for him. It's obvious that he uses his money for the RV10 and not a high
pixel camera! [Wink]
Also, I included some photos myself. The first is a seat cushion from a hangar
buddy of Anh's that is going in an RV6. It is beautifully done and Anh will
have to tell you where it was made 'cause I forgot! The last 3 shots are the
ones that Anh took.
Zack
I used 1/4" headliner from www.perfectfit.com that Tim Olson didn't have too much luck with. Same stuff Randy Debaw used except that his was 1/8". The fabric comes with the foam already stuck to it. I just sprayed the backside with 3M 90 (high temp) adhesive and stuck it on.
The material is 60" wide - not wide enough to install it length wise. So I installed
it width wise in two sections. The fwd section covers from the windscreen
to the aft edge of the door where that natural step is on the canopy top.
The aft section covers from there to the end of the baggage area.
I cut the edges 1/4" from where you want them to be leaving room for the molding
strips. I used a fresh razor blade and scissors sometimes.
I made molding strips out of the same material. Cut strips about 1 1/4" wide.
Fold it over with 1/4" overlap. Sew straight down the middle of the strip, over
the overlaping area, the entire length of the strip. The cross section of
the molding strips look like a figure 8. The straighter your stitches are the
better the molding strips will turn out. I threw away a few practice strips.
Cut off the excess material at the overlap area.
I brushed on adhesive material from www.Airtexinteriors.com and place the molding strips over the edges. one-half of it (the figure eight) goes around the edge against the fiberglass top where you had left 1/4" open when you trimmed it. The other half goes on the headliner edge itself to cover the cut.
Hope this helps,
Anh
#141
(Still waiting for Aerocraft panel - 6 months and counting)
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Cc: deemsdavis@cox.net, ricksked@earthlink.net
>You will have to trim the firewall stiffeners. Go up about 1"
>and over a 1/2" shaped like a 30/60 triangle, and trim it enough
>to get your offset rivet set on the head...it's a pain.
Whoa there! Before you go trimming firewall stiffeners, check on page 27-4, Step
7. Vans recommends you place the shop heads on the outboard side of the WD-1004
fitting. This recommended direction does not provide for the most finish
look, but I always try to place the manufacturers head on the thinner material.
In this case it is the F-1048-L/R. Vans rarely specifies the direction of
the rivet head but in this case they did.
If you look at my page at the below link, I did a compromise. I followed the recommendation
except the top three rows of rivets.
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/08fuselage/fuselage03f.html
William Curtis
http://nerv10.com/
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Deems,
Sorry I was thinking of a different area, William posted the correct respons to
double check your rivet direction. My mind is still bouncing after riveting the
1002/1003 to the lower forward longerons. That is where I was refering to regarding
the trimming of the stiffener. See later post for what I was thinking.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Anh's Interior |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
uh-oh-----did I see the word "sew" in those instructions? I stop at buttons...from
there on I'm looking for a seamstress or talor.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | "Fighter Pilot Experience" |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Listers...
This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless
her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-
pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton
California.
To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be
the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My
attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the
congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going
somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and
executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers.
I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific
Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick
with no urge to ever do that again.
I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life
insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to
the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another
3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get
my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as
a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone
had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations?
She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what
can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift
(and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down
in San Diego.
Any input is appreciated.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | "Fighter Pilot Experience" |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Anytime your wife wants to help with your flying experience, take what
she offers. I got lucky and my wife helps me rivet, because she knows
the 10 will haul allot of stuff back from the mall, so she suffers
through. Many pilots have a Significant other that could care less, so
if your wife is showing an interest and supporting you in your High
Priced hobby, then you should just suck it up, puke and move on, don't
worry about the life insurance because if something happens while you
are on the demo flight your wife will get a good lawyer and sue anyone
who touched that plane or even thought of it....Besides how many of us
would kill for that opp?
Tongue in check of course, but I would recommend you taking the gift and
really making a big deal of it and appreciate she is supporting your
hobby, and at least you can chalk it up to an experience you can talk
about, sailing is so two dimensional, and who wants to puke on a boat?
At least in the air it will float in a dive!
Dan
40269
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Listers...
This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless
her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-
pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton
California.
To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be
the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My
attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the
congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going
somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and
executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers.
I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific
Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick
with no urge to ever do that again.
I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life
insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to
the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another
3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get
my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as
a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone
had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations?
She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what
can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift
(and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down
in San Diego.
Any input is appreciated.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | "Fighter Pilot Experience" |
Maybe you can use the time for a BFR or high-performance checkout, provided the
pilot is a CFI . .
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Lloyd, Daniel R.
Sent: Thu 3/2/2006 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Anytime your wife wants to help with your flying experience, take what
she offers. I got lucky and my wife helps me rivet, because she knows
the 10 will haul allot of stuff back from the mall, so she suffers
through. Many pilots have a Significant other that could care less, so
if your wife is showing an interest and supporting you in your High
Priced hobby, then you should just suck it up, puke and move on, don't
worry about the life insurance because if something happens while you
are on the demo flight your wife will get a good lawyer and sue anyone
who touched that plane or even thought of it....Besides how many of us
would kill for that opp?
Tongue in check of course, but I would recommend you taking the gift and
really making a big deal of it and appreciate she is supporting your
hobby, and at least you can chalk it up to an experience you can talk
about, sailing is so two dimensional, and who wants to puke on a boat?
At least in the air it will float in a dive!
Dan
40269
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Listers...
This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless
her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-
pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton
California.
To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be
the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My
attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the
congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going
somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and
executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers.
I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific
Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick
with no urge to ever do that again.
I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life
insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to
the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another
3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get
my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as
a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone
had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations?
She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what
can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift
(and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down
in San Diego.
Any input is appreciated.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" |
Jeff,
One of the guys in our chapter is an aerobatics pilot and entertainer...does
KOSH every year...a while back he was an invited guest at Red Flag...took
out a two seat aerobatic plane and did demo's with the USAF instructors etc.
Several got sick in the plane, all carry along zip lock big bags...and a
bottle of water...they don't think it a problem getting sick as long as you deal
with it well...I'd have the same attitude if I were you...take along the zip
lock bags, lined with paper towels and a small bottle of water to settle the
stomach in case you up chuck...no harm, it can happen to any one at any time.
Luckily she selected the March over a T 34!!! Make sure she's not buying
extra insurance on you...LOL
Sounds like nothing but fun...have a ball...but do you have someone you can
hitch up a ride in the mean time to get use to a few +/- G's before you go
for a ride? Know anyone that owns a C 150 Aerobat/Citabria? I don't think most
of these folks want you spilling your guts in their planes...the liquid runs
everywhere and your stomach acid is very corrosive to metal. So keeping you
stable is important for them also.
What do they say, grunt loudly, hold the stomach muscle tight and keep the
blood up in your head and look around. Old fighter pilots before G suits
actually would wear a woman's girdle and a tight belt about the waist to keep
the
blood from sinking into their legs.
I wouldn't eat any thing spicy before going, either. But ready for a cold
beer when you return.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" |
The best thing to eat that day would be bananas....they taste the same going up
as going down. Don't ask how I know.... :)
JT
#40262
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I wouldn't eat any thing spicy before going, either. But ready for a cold beer
when you return.
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| Subject: | "Fighter Pilot Experience" |
I don't recommend Indian food the night before, either! : )
TDT
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________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Thu 3/2/2006 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
Jeff,
One of the guys in our chapter is an aerobatics pilot and entertainer...does KOSH
every year...a while back he was an invited guest at Red Flag...took out a
two seat aerobatic plane and did demo's with the USAF instructors etc. Several
got sick in the plane, all carry along zip lock big bags...and a bottle of water...they
don't think it a problem getting sick as long as you deal with it
well...I'd have the same attitude if I were you...take along the zip lock bags,
lined with paper towels and a small bottle of water to settle the stomach in
case you up chuck...no harm, it can happen to any one at any time.
Luckily she selected the March over a T 34!!! Make sure she's not buying extra
insurance on you...LOL
Sounds like nothing but fun...have a ball...but do you have someone you can hitch
up a ride in the mean time to get use to a few +/- G's before you go for a
ride? Know anyone that owns a C 150 Aerobat/Citabria? I don't think most of these
folks want you spilling your guts in their planes...the liquid runs everywhere
and your stomach acid is very corrosive to metal. So keeping you stable
is important for them also.
What do they say, grunt loudly, hold the stomach muscle tight and keep the blood
up in your head and look around. Old fighter pilots before G suits actually
would wear a woman's girdle and a tight belt about the waist to keep the blood
from sinking into their legs.
I wouldn't eat any thing spicy before going, either. But ready for a cold beer
when you return.
Patrick
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Thanks for the responses, now, if i could only learn to read............
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rick wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
>Deems,
>
>Sorry I was thinking of a different area, William posted the correct respons to
double check your rivet direction. My mind is still bouncing after riveting
the 1002/1003 to the lower forward longerons. That is where I was refering to
regarding the trimming of the stiffener. See later post for what I was thinking.
>
>Rick S.
>40185
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| Subject: | Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Jeff ...
You are blessed with a wife who has the enthusiasm to get you this gift.
It's now time for salesmanship. Convert this offer into something more
beneficial ... such as a few hours of flight training/motivation in the
RV-10 at Van's. This will convert a consumable extravagant gift into
something that will save $ and facilitate your flying the 10 when completed.
Explain it to be mandatory to get some check-out time for insurance purposes
... no stretch there. Also it's
"a flight for motivation" if spent on the 10 at Van's. You and wife will
have an opportunity to get a nice tour through the factory. It will give
your wife the chance to fly in the 10 while you are training, if this is
allowed. Maybe she could come along as a video person to tape the follow-on
motivation movie, to be shown during your build time .... sell, sell, sell.
Your wife will probably enjoy the gift as much as you do.
Regards ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A Electrical
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Carpenter" <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> Hi Listers...
>
> This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her
> heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling
> dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California.
>
> To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the
> ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction
> to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here
> on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people
> can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's
> about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super
> Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and
> came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again.
>
> I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance
> policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the
> construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years
> before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high
> performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life
> insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
>
> So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had
> this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's
> spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be
> more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my
> wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego.
>
> Any input is appreciated.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I'd second this one. Not as many puke bags to fill either. My cousin is
an F-15 pilot, but before he got there, he got a chance to be in a mock
dogfight and he said it was the most stressful physical exercise he had
done in his life just to stay conscious. I'd take the -10.
Jesse
do not archive
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
> Jeff ...
> You are blessed with a wife who has the enthusiasm to get you this gift.
> It's now time for salesmanship. Convert this offer into something more
> beneficial ... such as a few hours of flight training/motivation in the
> RV-10 at Van's. This will convert a consumable extravagant gift into
> something that will save $ and facilitate your flying the 10 when
> completed.
> Explain it to be mandatory to get some check-out time for insurance
> purposes
> ... no stretch there. Also it's
> "a flight for motivation" if spent on the 10 at Van's. You and wife will
> have an opportunity to get a nice tour through the factory. It will give
> your wife the chance to fly in the 10 while you are training, if this is
> allowed. Maybe she could come along as a video person to tape the
> follow-on
> motivation movie, to be shown during your build time .... sell, sell,
> sell.
> Your wife will probably enjoy the gift as much as you do.
> Regards ...
> Jerry Grimmonpre'
> RV8A Electrical
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
No no no... don't take the RV-10 time. Trust me, the RV-10 is great
fun to fly, but it isn't an aerobatic fighter pilot experience.
That kind of opportunity doesn't come up everyday, and in a few years
you'll be flying your RV-10 until it's commonplace. Life is about
the memories you build as you go along. The RV-10 will bring you many
after you fly it. Fly the factory one for transition training just
before you fly and get current.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
> Jeff ...
> You are blessed with a wife who has the enthusiasm to get you this gift.
> It's now time for salesmanship. Convert this offer into something more
> beneficial ... such as a few hours of flight training/motivation in the
> RV-10 at Van's. This will convert a consumable extravagant gift into
> something that will save $ and facilitate your flying the 10 when
> completed. Explain it to be mandatory to get some check-out time for
> insurance purposes ... no stretch there. Also it's
> "a flight for motivation" if spent on the 10 at Van's. You and wife
> will have an opportunity to get a nice tour through the factory. It
> will give your wife the chance to fly in the 10 while you are training,
> if this is allowed. Maybe she could come along as a video person to
> tape the follow-on motivation movie, to be shown during your build time
> .... sell, sell, sell.
> Your wife will probably enjoy the gift as much as you do.
> Regards ...
> Jerry Grimmonpre'
> RV8A Electrical
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Carpenter"
> <jeff@westcottpress.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:02 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>>
>> Hi Listers...
>>
>> This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless
>> her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-
>> pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton
>> California.
>>
>> To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be
>> the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My
>> attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the
>> congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going
>> somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and
>> executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers.
>> I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific
>> Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick
>> with no urge to ever do that again.
>>
>> I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life
>> insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to
>> the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another
>> 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get
>> my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as
>> a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
>>
>> So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone
>> had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations?
>> She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what
>> can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift
>> (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down
>> in San Diego.
>>
>> Any input is appreciated.
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> 40304
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Thanks Jesse and Jerry, but unfortunately I don't have that option.
They've got the money. They're keeping it. My only choice is to
exchange it for another experience of equal or lessor value... and
that pretty much leaves me with the dog fight, 3 days of sailing
lessons or a day for the family in a hot air balloon.
On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:20 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> I'd second this one. Not as many puke bags to fill either. My
> cousin is
> an F-15 pilot, but before he got there, he got a chance to be in a
> mock
> dogfight and he said it was the most stressful physical exercise he
> had
> done in his life just to stay conscious. I'd take the -10.
>
> Jesse
>
> do not archive
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>>
>> Jeff ...
>> You are blessed with a wife who has the enthusiasm to get you this
>> gift.
>> It's now time for salesmanship. Convert this offer into something
>> more
>> beneficial ... such as a few hours of flight training/motivation
>> in the
>> RV-10 at Van's. This will convert a consumable extravagant gift into
>> something that will save $ and facilitate your flying the 10 when
>> completed.
>> Explain it to be mandatory to get some check-out time for insurance
>> purposes
>> ... no stretch there. Also it's
>> "a flight for motivation" if spent on the 10 at Van's. You and
>> wife will
>> have an opportunity to get a nice tour through the factory. It
>> will give
>> your wife the chance to fly in the 10 while you are training, if
>> this is
>> allowed. Maybe she could come along as a video person to tape the
>> follow-on
>> motivation movie, to be shown during your build time .... sell,
>> sell,
>> sell.
>> Your wife will probably enjoy the gift as much as you do.
>> Regards ...
>> Jerry Grimmonpre'
>> RV8A Electrical
>
>
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Jeff
Well it looks like no one has done this ,so I will answer your question. My wife
also bought me this experience many years ago($495.00 then). I highly recommend
doing it. It was a blast and there is no way you are pulling 6 g's. The flight
is probably only about 45 min. long. There is a mission briefing and suit
up before flying which probably is close to an hour. We went out with 3 planes,
two in a dogfight at a time. The 3rd plane observes or as I did, some barrel
rolls until one of the plane loses and then you engage with the victor. Not
sure if they still do it that way but that's how it was with me. You usually don't
get sick when you are in control. You can be as aggressive as you can handle,
You are flying the plane. Suck it up,go for it and shoot someone down.
There is a video that is included that captures you in the plane, the forward view
( great when you see the smoke coming from your opponent) and another view
that I can't remember. Just a note of precaution, if you have kids at home make
sure they don't use the tape to record a TV show. Don't ask how I know :(
Bob Spudis
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Sent: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:02:45 -0800
Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Listers...
This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her heart, has
given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-pulling dogfights" in a SIAI
Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California.
To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the ultimate
sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction to flight has
more to do with getting above all the congestion down here on a cool clear
winter morning and going somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning
and executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers. I've
spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did
a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do
that again.
I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance policy has
a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the construction of my RV-10 and
imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had
planned to get current, get my high performance endorsement and my instrument
rating (as well as a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had this "experience,"
or have any knowledge of these operations? She's spent nearly $1,000.00
on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be more than 2 hours of flying
time). I can trade the gift (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of
sailing lessons down in San Diego.
Any input is appreciated.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
OK, I told you its not a rare event !
William, rick, anybody, How did you get the 5 AN470 4-5 rivets that
attach the F-1039D Rudder pedal brace to the stiffener and the firewall
recess???? (sec 27-6) My 3x rivet gun won't fit inside of the recess.The
gusset and diagonal stiffener prohibit getting a back rivet set on them
from the aft side, I'm about ready to use some CS 4-4's and be done with
it. :'(
(Honest, I read the plans this time and I'm still stumped)
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | MSB Lycoming engines |
Just spotted this through the channels.
Worth investigating if you're not sure.
John 40315
"Lycoming Engines has released yet another mandatory Service Bulletin, MSB
569 related to the gradual phase-out of the suspected crankshafts. MSB is
applicable to certain models from Lycoming 360, 390, 540, 580, 720 series of
engines, manufactured, rebuilt, overhauled, or repaired after 01 March 1997.
Engines already compliant to Service Bulletin No. 552, SB 553, SB 566, or
Supp 1 to SB 566 are not likely to be affected by MSB 569."
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Hi Deems,
I thought I was going to have problems there also, but I managed to shoot them
with the flush set. I have the Avery 3x gun, it does not need to fit into the
recess. You will need a bucking partner tho', so you can ensure the flush set
does not bounce around.
cheers,
Ron
still riveting side skins
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, 3 March 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: RV10-List: I'm stumped - Again!
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
OK, I told you its not a rare event !
William, rick, anybody, How did you get the 5 AN470 4-5 rivets that
attach the F-1039D Rudder pedal brace to the stiffener and the firewall
recess???? (sec 27-6) My 3x rivet gun won't fit inside of the recess.The
gusset and diagonal stiffener prohibit getting a back rivet set on them
from the aft side, I'm about ready to use some CS 4-4's and be done with
it. :'(
(Honest, I read the plans this time and I'm still stumped)
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Jeff,
I have a slightly different spin on you situation, but first you should
definitely treat your wife like royalty and feel blessed she supports your
flying so much. My background is mostly fighters and after instructing the
F-16, F-117, F/A-18 and AT-38C and doing a little acro competition in my
Skybolt am a little skewed toward recommending GO FOR IT! Besides my bias
towards getting to do some dogfighting, I'll offer this. Realize these guys
are in it for the business and if all they did was get people sick all the
time instead of creating a great and memorable experience, they wouldn't
last too long. Also keep in mind there are a lot of people that do this
with no flying experience at all.
Dogfighting is different from aerobatics in that, while you are definitely
max performing the airplane and the feel of the G will be challenging, it is
not (usually) the tumbling, twisting motion of aerobatics that really messes
people up. I have taken a LOT of people for incentive flights over the
years and often done the type of maneuvering you will experience without
them getting sick. It obviously does happen, but as in the other posts - so
what. More often than not, you'll feel better and be ready to continue
after a brief delay.
Finally, I think the experience would be extremely valuable in gaining
confidence as a pilot. You will have an opportunity to see the world from a
whole different perspective (a great one) and realize how well you can
recover an airplane from bizarre situations if you keep your wits about you
and learn to fly the airplane up to, but within, it's limits. One of the
smartest things I did learning to fly a zillion years ago was talk my
instructor into teaching me to spin after I scared myself silly accidentally
entering one following a bad accelerated stall on my first local area solo
in a Cessna 150. I'll truly end this with I'd recommend taking a long look
at turning your back on your wife's generosity, it might not happen again ;)
Sorry for the long rant and have fun,
Marcus
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Listers...
This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless
her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-
pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton
California.
To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be
the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My
attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the
congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going
somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and
executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers.
I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific
Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick
with no urge to ever do that again.
I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life
insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to
the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another
3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get
my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as
a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone
had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations?
She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what
can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift
(and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down
in San Diego.
Any input is appreciated.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | MSB Lycoming engines |
I forgot to add, if anyone needs a copy of this MSB contact me off list and
I'll forward it on.
John 40315
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Friday, 3 March 2006 9:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: MSB Lycoming engines
Just spotted this through the channels.
Worth investigating if you're not sure.
John 40315
"Lycoming Engines has released yet another mandatory Service Bulletin, MSB
569 related to the gradual phase-out of the suspected crankshafts. MSB is
applicable to certain models from Lycoming 360, 390, 540, 580, 720 series of
engines, manufactured, rebuilt, overhauled, or repaired after 01 March 1997.
Engines already compliant to Service Bulletin No. 552, SB 553, SB 566, or
Supp 1 to SB 566 are not likely to be affected by MSB 569."
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Deems,
Try the C-frame tool with the rivet gun attachment, you are talking about the row
of rivets above the recess and below the rudder pedal brace right?
Rick S.
40185
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Hi Jeff,
>From what I've seen of the Fullerton operation, it looks well run. For
example, they avoid confrontations with GA and experimental aircraft.
The SF260 isn't quite the 6 G machine they indicate. It has a fairly high
wing loading, and appears to bleed speed quickly in a tight turn.
They actually perform fairly well. Only slightly slower with a lower climb
rate than an O-290 powered RV-3 (that was based in Corona and later in Long
Beach, CA.). :-)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 03/02/2006 11:07:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jeff@westcottpress.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Listers...
This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless
her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-
pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton
California.
(Stuff Cut)
Any input is appreciated.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
Trying to be short on words and long on advice, do every thing in your power
to show appreciation for the treasure that she has given you. Fly the
flight, enjoy the heck out of it, love and cherish your wife, and build the
10.
Bob K
40125
N104BK
Ex fighter pilot
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Jeff,
I have a slightly different spin on you situation, but first you should
definitely treat your wife like royalty and feel blessed she supports your
flying so much. My background is mostly fighters and after instructing the
F-16, F-117, F/A-18 and AT-38C and doing a little acro competition in my
Skybolt am a little skewed toward recommending GO FOR IT! Besides my bias
towards getting to do some dogfighting, I'll offer this. Realize these guys
are in it for the business and if all they did was get people sick all the
time instead of creating a great and memorable experience, they wouldn't
last too long. Also keep in mind there are a lot of people that do this
with no flying experience at all.
Dogfighting is different from aerobatics in that, while you are definitely
max performing the airplane and the feel of the G will be challenging, it is
not (usually) the tumbling, twisting motion of aerobatics that really messes
people up. I have taken a LOT of people for incentive flights over the
years and often done the type of maneuvering you will experience without
them getting sick. It obviously does happen, but as in the other posts - so
what. More often than not, you'll feel better and be ready to continue
after a brief delay.
Finally, I think the experience would be extremely valuable in gaining
confidence as a pilot. You will have an opportunity to see the world from a
whole different perspective (a great one) and realize how well you can
recover an airplane from bizarre situations if you keep your wits about you
and learn to fly the airplane up to, but within, it's limits. One of the
smartest things I did learning to fly a zillion years ago was talk my
instructor into teaching me to spin after I scared myself silly accidentally
entering one following a bad accelerated stall on my first local area solo
in a Cessna 150. I'll truly end this with I'd recommend taking a long look
at turning your back on your wife's generosity, it might not happen again ;)
Sorry for the long rant and have fun,
Marcus
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Listers...
This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless
her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-
pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton
California.
To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be
the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My
attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the
congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going
somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and
executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers.
I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific
Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick
with no urge to ever do that again.
I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life
insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to
the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another
3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get
my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as
a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone
had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations?
She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what
can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift
(and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down
in San Diego.
Any input is appreciated.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
That worked, I used the swivel head flush set, with my wife bucking and
worked out fine, the one at the very top required finishing with the
double offset back rivet set, as the flush set got close enough to set
it, but not enough to flatten it appropriately.
THANKS
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
McGANN, Ron wrote:
> Hi Deems,
>
> I thought I was going to have problems there also, but I managed to
> shoot them with the flush set. I have the Avery 3x gun, it does not
> need to fit into the recess. You will need a bucking partner tho', so
> you can ensure the flush set does not bounce around.
>
> cheers,
> Ron
> still riveting side skins
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Friday, 3 March 2006 9:50 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: I'm stumped - Again!
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> OK, I told you its not a rare event !
> William, rick, anybody, How did you get the 5 AN470 4-5 rivets that
> attach the F-1039D Rudder pedal brace to the stiffener and the firewall
> recess???? (sec 27-6) My 3x rivet gun won't fit inside of the recess.The
> gusset and diagonal stiffener prohibit getting a back rivet set on them
> from the aft side, I'm about ready to use some CS 4-4's and be done with
> it. :'(
>
>
> (Honest, I read the plans this time and I'm still stumped)
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> browse Subscriptions page, Chat, FAQ,
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| Subject: | Re: I'm stumped - Again! |
>OK, I told you its not a rare event !
>William, rick, anybody, How did you get the 5 AN470 4-5 rivets
>that attach the F-1039D Rudder pedal brace to the stiffener and
>the firewall recess???? (sec 27-6)
We all get stumped from time to time. I used the Cleveland extra long 12 inch
back rivet set on these AN426AD4-5 rivets.
<http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/prodinfo.asp?number=RSB12>
You can use this if you do not have the brake (F-6122-1 tri-gear or other) bracket
installed.
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/08fuselage/fuselage03u.html
William Curtis
http://nerv10.com/
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In a message dated 3/2/06 2:44:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
LloydDR@wernerco.com writes:
I would recommend you taking the gift and really making a big deal of it and
appreciate she is supporting your hobby,
That says it all. WOW, what a great wife. If you are still not
happy, i will take your wife, and the gift certificate and you can have my wife
that hates planes and calls it "that thing", and has only been in our C-170 2
times in 3 years!!!!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Dave" <redflyer@comcast.net>
Jeff.
Only if she likes sailing. Otherwise spend $500 on a getaway with a spa and
$500 on parts for your -10.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Listers...
This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless
her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-
pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton
California.
To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be
the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My
attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the
congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going
somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and
executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers.
I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific
Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick
with no urge to ever do that again.
I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life
insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to
the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another
3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get
my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as
a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone
had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations?
She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what
can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift
(and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down
in San Diego.
Any input is appreciated.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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--> RV10-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> Hi Listers...
>
> This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless
> her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-
> pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton
> California.
Sounds like she's a keeper! :-)
> To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be
> the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My
> attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the
> congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going
> somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and
> executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers.
> I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific
> Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick
> with no urge to ever do that again.
Well, lemme tell ya up front ..... I'm addicted to aerobatics, and so
I'm a little biased here. Think about your Decathlon ride. Who did all
the aerobatic flying .... you or the 'other guy'???? I'll be honest
here: If I'm a 'passenger' while someone else does the akro ..... I get
downright uncomfortable. Give me the reins though and it's a different
story.
> I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life
> insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to
> the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another
> 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get
> my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as
> a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
The 'other guy' on your proposed flight is probably ex-military with
loads of experience pulling hard Gs in a G suit. Your insurance and
your low hours won't be a problem.
> So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260?
It's a great airplane for exploring the nether regions of the flight
envelope.
> Has anyone had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these
> operations?
No experience, but some knowledge. You'll spend some time in a ground
school going over the fundamentals of aerial combat. Position is
everything. I love to 'dogfight'. It's exhilarating ..... but
frustrating when I'm up against a superior pilot and/or airplane! When
you're in the dogfight mode, you're concentrating so much on getting
behind the other airplane that I( doubt you'll have a problem with being
airsick.
> She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for
> what can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the
> gift (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons
> down in San Diego.
Well, there's lots of things you can do with that grand. Buy stuff for
the -10 maybe. But, you'll do that anyway. From my comfortable chair,
I see that you have a couple of choices: You can talk it over with your
wife. I doubt if it'll burst her bubble is you tell her that a whole
bunch of guys on the list would love to take your place (in the combat
arena, of course!!!), but it's not for you. You can trade it in on a
very relaxing sailing experience ...... or you can bite the bullet and
go learn what our fighter pilots go through (or wish they could) when
they're up there fighting for their butt (and us too) .... and along the
way gather some experience that many of those holding a PPL never will.
Me?? I'd go for the combat ride .... but I told you, I'm biased.
Linn
> Any input is appreciated.
I suspect you'll get plenty of input. Jealous, all of them!!! :-D
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
My wife says this is a bad idea. The purpose of the gift was to show her
love and do something purely for your enjoyment. We do the logical stuff
all the time -- enjoy this awesome gift for what it is! Let her see you
smiling when you get in the plane, smiling when you exit the plane, and hide
the bag of processed bananas when you get out!
Rob
#392
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Grimmonpre
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Jeff ...
You are blessed with a wife who has the enthusiasm to get you this gift.
It's now time for salesmanship. Convert this offer into something more
beneficial ... such as a few hours of flight training/motivation in the
RV-10 at Van's. This will convert a consumable extravagant gift into
something that will save $ and facilitate your flying the 10 when completed.
Explain it to be mandatory to get some check-out time for insurance purposes
... no stretch there. Also it's
"a flight for motivation" if spent on the 10 at Van's. You and wife will
have an opportunity to get a nice tour through the factory. It will give
your wife the chance to fly in the 10 while you are training, if this is
allowed. Maybe she could come along as a video person to tape the follow-on
motivation movie, to be shown during your build time .... sell, sell, sell.
Your wife will probably enjoy the gift as much as you do.
Regards ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A Electrical
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Carpenter" <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
>
> Hi Listers...
>
> This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her
> heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling
> dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California.
>
> To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the
> ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction
> to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here
> on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people
> can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's
> about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super
> Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and
> came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again.
>
> I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance
> policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the
> construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years
> before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high
> performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life
> insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
>
> So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had
> this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's
> spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be
> more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my
> wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego.
>
> Any input is appreciated.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Take your wife with you as the "Backseat Ballast" with Mike Seager for
two days of transition training in an actual RV-10. It will help in the
build process, you can call it an investment. It will give you both
just as big of a thrill and with luck, he can use N410RV instead of
N220RV - thereby giving you the same 260hp kick.
John - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Hi Listers...
This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless
her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-
pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton
California.
To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be
the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My
attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the
congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going
somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and
executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers.
I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific
Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick
with no urge to ever do that again.
I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life
insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to
the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another
3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get
my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as
a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10.
So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone
had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations?
She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what
can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift
(and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down
in San Diego.
Any input is appreciated.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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"One mans meat is another mans poison"
John 40315
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
Sent: Friday, 3 March 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience"
In a message dated 3/2/06 2:44:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
LloydDR@wernerco.com writes:
I would recommend you taking the gift and really making a big deal of it and
appreciate she is supporting your hobby,
That says it all. WOW, what a great wife. If you are still not
happy, i will take your wife, and the gift certificate and you can have my
wife that hates planes and calls it "that thing", and has only been in our
C-170 2 times in 3 years!!!!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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