---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/02/06: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:14 AM - Nice article on Kits 40108 and 40109 in EAA mag this month (GRANSCOTT@aol.com) 2. 05:20 AM - Re: Sun'n'Fun (Wayne Edgerton) 3. 06:12 AM - Anh's Interior (zackrv8) 4. 09:00 AM - Re: I'm stumped (William) 5. 10:04 AM - Re: Re: I'm stumped (Rick) 6. 10:10 AM - Re: I'm stumped (Rick) 7. 10:19 AM - Re: Anh's Interior (Rick) 8. 11:05 AM - "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Jeff Carpenter) 9. 11:31 AM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Lloyd, Daniel R.) 10. 11:56 AM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 11. 12:13 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (GRANSCOTT@aol.com) 12. 12:34 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (John Lenhardt) 13. 01:00 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 14. 01:00 PM - Re: I'm stumped (Deems Davis) 15. 01:48 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Jerry Grimmonpre) 16. 02:22 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Jesse Saint) 17. 02:49 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Tim Olson) 18. 03:15 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Jeff Carpenter) 19. 03:18 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (nyterminat@aol.com) 20. 03:20 PM - I'm stumped - Again! (Deems Davis) 21. 03:22 PM - MSB Lycoming engines (John Dunne) 22. 03:49 PM - Re: I'm stumped - Again! (McGANN, Ron) 23. 03:57 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Marcus Cooper) 24. 04:25 PM - Re: MSB Lycoming engines (John Dunne) 25. 04:38 PM - Re: I'm stumped - Again! (Rick) 26. 04:44 PM - Re: I'm stumped - Again! (Rick) 27. 04:49 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (LessDragProd@aol.com) 28. 05:38 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (bob.kaufmann) 29. 05:40 PM - Re: I'm stumped - Again! (Deems Davis) 30. 05:40 PM - Re: I'm stumped - Again! (William) 31. 07:13 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (LIKE2LOOP@AOL.COM) 32. 07:25 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Dave) 33. 07:52 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (linn Walters) 34. 08:41 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (Robert G. Wright) 35. 09:14 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (John W. Cox) 36. 10:32 PM - Re: "Fighter Pilot Experience" (John Dunne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:48 AM PST US From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com Subject: RV10-List: Nice article on Kits 40108 and 40109 in EAA mag this month If you've been too busy building this week or have not had the chance to look March 06 EAA Sport Aviation, there's a very nice write up on the above kit numbers and their builders...a joint project pp 46-52. The article is a bit skimpy on details of the build...but I like the part when the chase plane and RV-6 has trouble catching the RV-10...fly em light and hot! I'm sure many of you saw these at KOSH this past summer. John Stewart in N104ME received a Bronze Lindy and his partner Larry Feldhausen in N104LJ (a first time builder) received a Workmanship Trophy...the pix's are interesting as well...I know this note is not about building but though since no one's point out the article that it may has slipped by some folks and some may not be members of EAA. I thought it was a good read. Patrick Scott do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:03 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun'n'Fun Hi John, You stole my question :>} Yes, I plan on being there and was wondering the same thing as you. Wayne Edgerton 40336 do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:01 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Anh's Interior From: "zackrv8" --> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" Folks, Anh had to re-subscribe to this list and asked me to post the following message for him. It's obvious that he uses his money for the RV10 and not a high pixel camera! [Wink] Also, I included some photos myself. The first is a seat cushion from a hangar buddy of Anh's that is going in an RV6. It is beautifully done and Anh will have to tell you where it was made 'cause I forgot! The last 3 shots are the ones that Anh took. Zack I used 1/4" headliner from www.perfectfit.com that Tim Olson didn't have too much luck with. Same stuff Randy Debaw used except that his was 1/8". The fabric comes with the foam already stuck to it. I just sprayed the backside with 3M 90 (high temp) adhesive and stuck it on. The material is 60" wide - not wide enough to install it length wise. So I installed it width wise in two sections. The fwd section covers from the windscreen to the aft edge of the door where that natural step is on the canopy top. The aft section covers from there to the end of the baggage area. I cut the edges 1/4" from where you want them to be leaving room for the molding strips. I used a fresh razor blade and scissors sometimes. I made molding strips out of the same material. Cut strips about 1 1/4" wide. Fold it over with 1/4" overlap. Sew straight down the middle of the strip, over the overlaping area, the entire length of the strip. The cross section of the molding strips look like a figure 8. The straighter your stitches are the better the molding strips will turn out. I threw away a few practice strips. Cut off the excess material at the overlap area. I brushed on adhesive material from www.Airtexinteriors.com and place the molding strips over the edges. one-half of it (the figure eight) goes around the edge against the fiberglass top where you had left 1/4" open when you trimmed it. The other half goes on the headliner edge itself to cover the cut. Hope this helps, Anh #141 (Still waiting for Aerocraft panel - 6 months and counting) -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=19093#19093 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04096_225.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04085_151.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04083_857.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04073_111.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ch49_007_125.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ch49_003_442.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ch49_000a_190.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:31 AM PST US From: "William" Cc: deemsdavis@cox.net, ricksked@earthlink.net Subject: RV10-List: RE: I'm stumped >You will have to trim the firewall stiffeners. Go up about 1" >and over a 1/2" shaped like a 30/60 triangle, and trim it enough >to get your offset rivet set on the head...it's a pain. Whoa there! Before you go trimming firewall stiffeners, check on page 27-4, Step 7. Vans recommends you place the shop heads on the outboard side of the WD-1004 fitting. This recommended direction does not provide for the most finish look, but I always try to place the manufacturers head on the thinner material. In this case it is the F-1048-L/R. Vans rarely specifies the direction of the rivet head but in this case they did. If you look at my page at the below link, I did a compromise. I followed the recommendation except the top three rows of rivets. http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/08fuselage/fuselage03f.html William Curtis http://nerv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:41 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: I'm stumped --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:38 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: I'm stumped --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Deems, Sorry I was thinking of a different area, William posted the correct respons to double check your rivet direction. My mind is still bouncing after riveting the 1002/1003 to the lower forward longerons. That is where I was refering to regarding the trimming of the stiffener. See later post for what I was thinking. Rick S. 40185 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:01 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: Anh's Interior --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick uh-oh-----did I see the word "sew" in those instructions? I stop at buttons...from there on I'm looking for a seamstress or talor. Rick S. 40185 do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:38 AM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter Hi Listers... This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California. To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again. I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego. Any input is appreciated. Jeff Carpenter 40304 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." Anytime your wife wants to help with your flying experience, take what she offers. I got lucky and my wife helps me rivet, because she knows the 10 will haul allot of stuff back from the mall, so she suffers through. Many pilots have a Significant other that could care less, so if your wife is showing an interest and supporting you in your High Priced hobby, then you should just suck it up, puke and move on, don't worry about the life insurance because if something happens while you are on the demo flight your wife will get a good lawyer and sue anyone who touched that plane or even thought of it....Besides how many of us would kill for that opp? Tongue in check of course, but I would recommend you taking the gift and really making a big deal of it and appreciate she is supporting your hobby, and at least you can chalk it up to an experience you can talk about, sailing is so two dimensional, and who wants to puke on a boat? At least in the air it will float in a dive! Dan 40269 Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter Hi Listers... This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California. To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again. I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego. Any input is appreciated. Jeff Carpenter 40304 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Maybe you can use the time for a BFR or high-performance checkout, provided the pilot is a CFI . . TDT do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Lloyd, Daniel R. Sent: Thu 3/2/2006 2:30 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." Anytime your wife wants to help with your flying experience, take what she offers. I got lucky and my wife helps me rivet, because she knows the 10 will haul allot of stuff back from the mall, so she suffers through. Many pilots have a Significant other that could care less, so if your wife is showing an interest and supporting you in your High Priced hobby, then you should just suck it up, puke and move on, don't worry about the life insurance because if something happens while you are on the demo flight your wife will get a good lawyer and sue anyone who touched that plane or even thought of it....Besides how many of us would kill for that opp? Tongue in check of course, but I would recommend you taking the gift and really making a big deal of it and appreciate she is supporting your hobby, and at least you can chalk it up to an experience you can talk about, sailing is so two dimensional, and who wants to puke on a boat? At least in the air it will float in a dive! Dan 40269 Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter Hi Listers... This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California. To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again. I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego. Any input is appreciated. Jeff Carpenter 40304 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:43 PM PST US From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" Jeff, One of the guys in our chapter is an aerobatics pilot and entertainer...does KOSH every year...a while back he was an invited guest at Red Flag...took out a two seat aerobatic plane and did demo's with the USAF instructors etc. Several got sick in the plane, all carry along zip lock big bags...and a bottle of water...they don't think it a problem getting sick as long as you deal with it well...I'd have the same attitude if I were you...take along the zip lock bags, lined with paper towels and a small bottle of water to settle the stomach in case you up chuck...no harm, it can happen to any one at any time. Luckily she selected the March over a T 34!!! Make sure she's not buying extra insurance on you...LOL Sounds like nothing but fun...have a ball...but do you have someone you can hitch up a ride in the mean time to get use to a few +/- G's before you go for a ride? Know anyone that owns a C 150 Aerobat/Citabria? I don't think most of these folks want you spilling your guts in their planes...the liquid runs everywhere and your stomach acid is very corrosive to metal. So keeping you stable is important for them also. What do they say, grunt loudly, hold the stomach muscle tight and keep the blood up in your head and look around. Old fighter pilots before G suits actually would wear a woman's girdle and a tight belt about the waist to keep the blood from sinking into their legs. I wouldn't eat any thing spicy before going, either. But ready for a cold beer when you return. Patrick do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:21 PM PST US From: "John Lenhardt" Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" The best thing to eat that day would be bananas....they taste the same going up as going down. Don't ask how I know.... :) JT #40262 Do Not Archive I wouldn't eat any thing spicy before going, either. But ready for a cold beer when you return. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:41 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" I don't recommend Indian food the night before, either! : ) TDT do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of GRANSCOTT@aol.com Sent: Thu 3/2/2006 3:11 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" Jeff, One of the guys in our chapter is an aerobatics pilot and entertainer...does KOSH every year...a while back he was an invited guest at Red Flag...took out a two seat aerobatic plane and did demo's with the USAF instructors etc. Several got sick in the plane, all carry along zip lock big bags...and a bottle of water...they don't think it a problem getting sick as long as you deal with it well...I'd have the same attitude if I were you...take along the zip lock bags, lined with paper towels and a small bottle of water to settle the stomach in case you up chuck...no harm, it can happen to any one at any time. Luckily she selected the March over a T 34!!! Make sure she's not buying extra insurance on you...LOL Sounds like nothing but fun...have a ball...but do you have someone you can hitch up a ride in the mean time to get use to a few +/- G's before you go for a ride? Know anyone that owns a C 150 Aerobat/Citabria? I don't think most of these folks want you spilling your guts in their planes...the liquid runs everywhere and your stomach acid is very corrosive to metal. So keeping you stable is important for them also. What do they say, grunt loudly, hold the stomach muscle tight and keep the blood up in your head and look around. Old fighter pilots before G suits actually would wear a woman's girdle and a tight belt about the waist to keep the blood from sinking into their legs. I wouldn't eat any thing spicy before going, either. But ready for a cold beer when you return. Patrick do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:41 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: I'm stumped --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis Thanks for the responses, now, if i could only learn to read............ Deems Davis # 406 Fuse http://deemsrv10.com/ Rick wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick > >Deems, > >Sorry I was thinking of a different area, William posted the correct respons to double check your rivet direction. My mind is still bouncing after riveting the 1002/1003 to the lower forward longerons. That is where I was refering to regarding the trimming of the stiffener. See later post for what I was thinking. > >Rick S. >40185 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:23 PM PST US From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Jeff ... You are blessed with a wife who has the enthusiasm to get you this gift. It's now time for salesmanship. Convert this offer into something more beneficial ... such as a few hours of flight training/motivation in the RV-10 at Van's. This will convert a consumable extravagant gift into something that will save $ and facilitate your flying the 10 when completed. Explain it to be mandatory to get some check-out time for insurance purposes ... no stretch there. Also it's "a flight for motivation" if spent on the 10 at Van's. You and wife will have an opportunity to get a nice tour through the factory. It will give your wife the chance to fly in the 10 while you are training, if this is allowed. Maybe she could come along as a video person to tape the follow-on motivation movie, to be shown during your build time .... sell, sell, sell. Your wife will probably enjoy the gift as much as you do. Regards ... Jerry Grimmonpre' RV8A Electrical DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Carpenter" Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" > --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter > > Hi Listers... > > This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her > heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling > dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California. > > To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the > ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction > to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here > on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people > can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's > about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super > Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and > came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again. > > I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance > policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the > construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years > before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high > performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life > insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. > > So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had > this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's > spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be > more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my > wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego. > > Any input is appreciated. > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" From: "Jesse Saint" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" I'd second this one. Not as many puke bags to fill either. My cousin is an F-15 pilot, but before he got there, he got a chance to be in a mock dogfight and he said it was the most stressful physical exercise he had done in his life just to stay conscious. I'd take the -10. Jesse do not archive > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" > > Jeff ... > You are blessed with a wife who has the enthusiasm to get you this gift. > It's now time for salesmanship. Convert this offer into something more > beneficial ... such as a few hours of flight training/motivation in the > RV-10 at Van's. This will convert a consumable extravagant gift into > something that will save $ and facilitate your flying the 10 when > completed. > Explain it to be mandatory to get some check-out time for insurance > purposes > ... no stretch there. Also it's > "a flight for motivation" if spent on the 10 at Van's. You and wife will > have an opportunity to get a nice tour through the factory. It will give > your wife the chance to fly in the 10 while you are training, if this is > allowed. Maybe she could come along as a video person to tape the > follow-on > motivation movie, to be shown during your build time .... sell, sell, > sell. > Your wife will probably enjoy the gift as much as you do. > Regards ... > Jerry Grimmonpre' > RV8A Electrical ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:01 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson No no no... don't take the RV-10 time. Trust me, the RV-10 is great fun to fly, but it isn't an aerobatic fighter pilot experience. That kind of opportunity doesn't come up everyday, and in a few years you'll be flying your RV-10 until it's commonplace. Life is about the memories you build as you go along. The RV-10 will bring you many after you fly it. Fly the factory one for transition training just before you fly and get current. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Jerry Grimmonpre wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" > > Jeff ... > You are blessed with a wife who has the enthusiasm to get you this gift. > It's now time for salesmanship. Convert this offer into something more > beneficial ... such as a few hours of flight training/motivation in the > RV-10 at Van's. This will convert a consumable extravagant gift into > something that will save $ and facilitate your flying the 10 when > completed. Explain it to be mandatory to get some check-out time for > insurance purposes ... no stretch there. Also it's > "a flight for motivation" if spent on the 10 at Van's. You and wife > will have an opportunity to get a nice tour through the factory. It > will give your wife the chance to fly in the 10 while you are training, > if this is allowed. Maybe she could come along as a video person to > tape the follow-on motivation movie, to be shown during your build time > .... sell, sell, sell. > Your wife will probably enjoy the gift as much as you do. > Regards ... > Jerry Grimmonpre' > RV8A Electrical > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Carpenter" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:02 PM > Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" > > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter >> >> Hi Listers... >> >> This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless >> her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- >> pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton >> California. >> >> To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be >> the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My >> attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the >> congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going >> somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and >> executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers. >> I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific >> Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick >> with no urge to ever do that again. >> >> I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life >> insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to >> the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another >> 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get >> my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as >> a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. >> >> So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone >> had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? >> She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what >> can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift >> (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down >> in San Diego. >> >> Any input is appreciated. >> >> Jeff Carpenter >> 40304 > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:37 PM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter Thanks Jesse and Jerry, but unfortunately I don't have that option. They've got the money. They're keeping it. My only choice is to exchange it for another experience of equal or lessor value... and that pretty much leaves me with the dog fight, 3 days of sailing lessons or a day for the family in a hot air balloon. On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:20 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" > > I'd second this one. Not as many puke bags to fill either. My > cousin is > an F-15 pilot, but before he got there, he got a chance to be in a > mock > dogfight and he said it was the most stressful physical exercise he > had > done in his life just to stay conscious. I'd take the -10. > > Jesse > > do not archive > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" >> >> Jeff ... >> You are blessed with a wife who has the enthusiasm to get you this >> gift. >> It's now time for salesmanship. Convert this offer into something >> more >> beneficial ... such as a few hours of flight training/motivation >> in the >> RV-10 at Van's. This will convert a consumable extravagant gift into >> something that will save $ and facilitate your flying the 10 when >> completed. >> Explain it to be mandatory to get some check-out time for insurance >> purposes >> ... no stretch there. Also it's >> "a flight for motivation" if spent on the 10 at Van's. You and >> wife will >> have an opportunity to get a nice tour through the factory. It >> will give >> your wife the chance to fly in the 10 while you are training, if >> this is >> allowed. Maybe she could come along as a video person to tape the >> follow-on >> motivation movie, to be shown during your build time .... sell, >> sell, >> sell. >> Your wife will probably enjoy the gift as much as you do. >> Regards ... >> Jerry Grimmonpre' >> RV8A Electrical > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:53 PM PST US From: nyterminat@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" Jeff Well it looks like no one has done this ,so I will answer your question. My wife also bought me this experience many years ago($495.00 then). I highly recommend doing it. It was a blast and there is no way you are pulling 6 g's. The flight is probably only about 45 min. long. There is a mission briefing and suit up before flying which probably is close to an hour. We went out with 3 planes, two in a dogfight at a time. The 3rd plane observes or as I did, some barrel rolls until one of the plane loses and then you engage with the victor. Not sure if they still do it that way but that's how it was with me. You usually don't get sick when you are in control. You can be as aggressive as you can handle, You are flying the plane. Suck it up,go for it and shoot someone down. There is a video that is included that captures you in the plane, the forward view ( great when you see the smoke coming from your opponent) and another view that I can't remember. Just a note of precaution, if you have kids at home make sure they don't use the tape to record a TV show. Don't ask how I know :( Bob Spudis do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Carpenter Sent: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:02:45 -0800 Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter Hi Listers... This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g-pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California. To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again. I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego. Any input is appreciated. Jeff Carpenter 40304 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:28 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: RV10-List: I'm stumped - Again! --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis OK, I told you its not a rare event ! William, rick, anybody, How did you get the 5 AN470 4-5 rivets that attach the F-1039D Rudder pedal brace to the stiffener and the firewall recess???? (sec 27-6) My 3x rivet gun won't fit inside of the recess.The gusset and diagonal stiffener prohibit getting a back rivet set on them from the aft side, I'm about ready to use some CS 4-4's and be done with it. :'( (Honest, I read the plans this time and I'm still stumped) Deems Davis # 406 Fuse http://deemsrv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:41 PM PST US From: "John Dunne" Subject: RV10-List: MSB Lycoming engines Just spotted this through the channels. Worth investigating if you're not sure. John 40315 "Lycoming Engines has released yet another mandatory Service Bulletin, MSB 569 related to the gradual phase-out of the suspected crankshafts. MSB is applicable to certain models from Lycoming 360, 390, 540, 580, 720 series of engines, manufactured, rebuilt, overhauled, or repaired after 01 March 1997. Engines already compliant to Service Bulletin No. 552, SB 553, SB 566, or Supp 1 to SB 566 are not likely to be affected by MSB 569." ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:51 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: I'm stumped - Again! From: "McGANN, Ron" Hi Deems, I thought I was going to have problems there also, but I managed to shoot them with the flush set. I have the Avery 3x gun, it does not need to fit into the recess. You will need a bucking partner tho', so you can ensure the flush set does not bounce around. cheers, Ron still riveting side skins -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Friday, 3 March 2006 9:50 AM Subject: RV10-List: I'm stumped - Again! --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis OK, I told you its not a rare event ! William, rick, anybody, How did you get the 5 AN470 4-5 rivets that attach the F-1039D Rudder pedal brace to the stiffener and the firewall recess???? (sec 27-6) My 3x rivet gun won't fit inside of the recess.The gusset and diagonal stiffener prohibit getting a back rivet set on them from the aft side, I'm about ready to use some CS 4-4's and be done with it. :'( (Honest, I read the plans this time and I'm still stumped) Deems Davis # 406 Fuse http://deemsrv10.com/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:36 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" Jeff, I have a slightly different spin on you situation, but first you should definitely treat your wife like royalty and feel blessed she supports your flying so much. My background is mostly fighters and after instructing the F-16, F-117, F/A-18 and AT-38C and doing a little acro competition in my Skybolt am a little skewed toward recommending GO FOR IT! Besides my bias towards getting to do some dogfighting, I'll offer this. Realize these guys are in it for the business and if all they did was get people sick all the time instead of creating a great and memorable experience, they wouldn't last too long. Also keep in mind there are a lot of people that do this with no flying experience at all. Dogfighting is different from aerobatics in that, while you are definitely max performing the airplane and the feel of the G will be challenging, it is not (usually) the tumbling, twisting motion of aerobatics that really messes people up. I have taken a LOT of people for incentive flights over the years and often done the type of maneuvering you will experience without them getting sick. It obviously does happen, but as in the other posts - so what. More often than not, you'll feel better and be ready to continue after a brief delay. Finally, I think the experience would be extremely valuable in gaining confidence as a pilot. You will have an opportunity to see the world from a whole different perspective (a great one) and realize how well you can recover an airplane from bizarre situations if you keep your wits about you and learn to fly the airplane up to, but within, it's limits. One of the smartest things I did learning to fly a zillion years ago was talk my instructor into teaching me to spin after I scared myself silly accidentally entering one following a bad accelerated stall on my first local area solo in a Cessna 150. I'll truly end this with I'd recommend taking a long look at turning your back on your wife's generosity, it might not happen again ;) Sorry for the long rant and have fun, Marcus Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter Hi Listers... This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California. To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again. I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego. Any input is appreciated. Jeff Carpenter 40304 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:28 PM PST US From: "John Dunne" Subject: RE: RV10-List: MSB Lycoming engines I forgot to add, if anyone needs a copy of this MSB contact me off list and I'll forward it on. John 40315 Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne Sent: Friday, 3 March 2006 9:22 AM Subject: RV10-List: MSB Lycoming engines Just spotted this through the channels. Worth investigating if you're not sure. John 40315 "Lycoming Engines has released yet another mandatory Service Bulletin, MSB 569 related to the gradual phase-out of the suspected crankshafts. MSB is applicable to certain models from Lycoming 360, 390, 540, 580, 720 series of engines, manufactured, rebuilt, overhauled, or repaired after 01 March 1997. Engines already compliant to Service Bulletin No. 552, SB 553, SB 566, or Supp 1 to SB 566 are not likely to be affected by MSB 569." ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:23 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: I'm stumped - Again! --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Deems, Try the C-frame tool with the rivet gun attachment, you are talking about the row of rivets above the recess and below the rudder pedal brace right? Rick S. 40185 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:06 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: RE: RV10-List: I'm stumped - Again! --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:46 PM PST US From: LessDragProd@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" Hi Jeff, >From what I've seen of the Fullerton operation, it looks well run. For example, they avoid confrontations with GA and experimental aircraft. The SF260 isn't quite the 6 G machine they indicate. It has a fairly high wing loading, and appears to bleed speed quickly in a tight turn. They actually perform fairly well. Only slightly slower with a lower climb rate than an O-290 powered RV-3 (that was based in Corona and later in Long Beach, CA.). :-) Regards, Jim Ayers In a message dated 03/02/2006 11:07:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, jeff@westcottpress.com writes: --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter Hi Listers... This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California. (Stuff Cut) Any input is appreciated. Jeff Carpenter 40304 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:12 PM PST US From: "bob.kaufmann" Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" Trying to be short on words and long on advice, do every thing in your power to show appreciation for the treasure that she has given you. Fly the flight, enjoy the heck out of it, love and cherish your wife, and build the 10. Bob K 40125 N104BK Ex fighter pilot -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" Jeff, I have a slightly different spin on you situation, but first you should definitely treat your wife like royalty and feel blessed she supports your flying so much. My background is mostly fighters and after instructing the F-16, F-117, F/A-18 and AT-38C and doing a little acro competition in my Skybolt am a little skewed toward recommending GO FOR IT! Besides my bias towards getting to do some dogfighting, I'll offer this. Realize these guys are in it for the business and if all they did was get people sick all the time instead of creating a great and memorable experience, they wouldn't last too long. Also keep in mind there are a lot of people that do this with no flying experience at all. Dogfighting is different from aerobatics in that, while you are definitely max performing the airplane and the feel of the G will be challenging, it is not (usually) the tumbling, twisting motion of aerobatics that really messes people up. I have taken a LOT of people for incentive flights over the years and often done the type of maneuvering you will experience without them getting sick. It obviously does happen, but as in the other posts - so what. More often than not, you'll feel better and be ready to continue after a brief delay. Finally, I think the experience would be extremely valuable in gaining confidence as a pilot. You will have an opportunity to see the world from a whole different perspective (a great one) and realize how well you can recover an airplane from bizarre situations if you keep your wits about you and learn to fly the airplane up to, but within, it's limits. One of the smartest things I did learning to fly a zillion years ago was talk my instructor into teaching me to spin after I scared myself silly accidentally entering one following a bad accelerated stall on my first local area solo in a Cessna 150. I'll truly end this with I'd recommend taking a long look at turning your back on your wife's generosity, it might not happen again ;) Sorry for the long rant and have fun, Marcus Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter Hi Listers... This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California. To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again. I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego. Any input is appreciated. Jeff Carpenter 40304 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:42 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: I'm stumped - Again! --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis That worked, I used the swivel head flush set, with my wife bucking and worked out fine, the one at the very top required finishing with the double offset back rivet set, as the flush set got close enough to set it, but not enough to flatten it appropriately. THANKS Deems Davis # 406 Fuse http://deemsrv10.com/ McGANN, Ron wrote: > Hi Deems, > > I thought I was going to have problems there also, but I managed to > shoot them with the flush set. I have the Avery 3x gun, it does not > need to fit into the recess. You will need a bucking partner tho', so > you can ensure the flush set does not bounce around. > > cheers, > Ron > still riveting side skins > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: Friday, 3 March 2006 9:50 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: I'm stumped - Again! > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis > > OK, I told you its not a rare event ! > William, rick, anybody, How did you get the 5 AN470 4-5 rivets that > attach the F-1039D Rudder pedal brace to the stiffener and the firewall > recess???? (sec 27-6) My 3x rivet gun won't fit inside of the recess.The > gusset and diagonal stiffener prohibit getting a back rivet set on them > from the aft side, I'm about ready to use some CS 4-4's and be done with > it. :'( > > > (Honest, I read the plans this time and I'm still stumped) > > Deems Davis # 406 > Fuse > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > > browse Subscriptions page, Chat, FAQ, > ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > > support! > ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:55 PM PST US From: "William" Cc: deemsdavis@cox.net Subject: RV10-List: Re: I'm stumped - Again! >OK, I told you its not a rare event ! >William, rick, anybody, How did you get the 5 AN470 4-5 rivets >that attach the F-1039D Rudder pedal brace to the stiffener and >the firewall recess???? (sec 27-6) We all get stumped from time to time. I used the Cleveland extra long 12 inch back rivet set on these AN426AD4-5 rivets. You can use this if you do not have the brake (F-6122-1 tri-gear or other) bracket installed. http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/08fuselage/fuselage03u.html William Curtis http://nerv10.com/ ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:57 PM PST US From: LIKE2LOOP@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" In a message dated 3/2/06 2:44:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LloydDR@wernerco.com writes: I would recommend you taking the gift and really making a big deal of it and appreciate she is supporting your hobby, That says it all. WOW, what a great wife. If you are still not happy, i will take your wife, and the gift certificate and you can have my wife that hates planes and calls it "that thing", and has only been in our C-170 2 times in 3 years!!!! DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:45 PM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Dave" Jeff. Only if she likes sailing. Otherwise spend $500 on a getaway with a spa and $500 on parts for your -10. Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter Hi Listers... This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California. To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again. I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego. Any input is appreciated. Jeff Carpenter 40304 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:24 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: linn Walters Jeff Carpenter wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter > > Hi Listers... > > This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless > her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- > pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton > California. Sounds like she's a keeper! :-) > To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be > the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My > attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the > congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going > somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and > executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers. > I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific > Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick > with no urge to ever do that again. Well, lemme tell ya up front ..... I'm addicted to aerobatics, and so I'm a little biased here. Think about your Decathlon ride. Who did all the aerobatic flying .... you or the 'other guy'???? I'll be honest here: If I'm a 'passenger' while someone else does the akro ..... I get downright uncomfortable. Give me the reins though and it's a different story. > I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life > insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to > the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another > 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get > my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as > a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. The 'other guy' on your proposed flight is probably ex-military with loads of experience pulling hard Gs in a G suit. Your insurance and your low hours won't be a problem. > So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? It's a great airplane for exploring the nether regions of the flight envelope. > Has anyone had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these > operations? No experience, but some knowledge. You'll spend some time in a ground school going over the fundamentals of aerial combat. Position is everything. I love to 'dogfight'. It's exhilarating ..... but frustrating when I'm up against a superior pilot and/or airplane! When you're in the dogfight mode, you're concentrating so much on getting behind the other airplane that I( doubt you'll have a problem with being airsick. > She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for > what can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the > gift (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons > down in San Diego. Well, there's lots of things you can do with that grand. Buy stuff for the -10 maybe. But, you'll do that anyway. From my comfortable chair, I see that you have a couple of choices: You can talk it over with your wife. I doubt if it'll burst her bubble is you tell her that a whole bunch of guys on the list would love to take your place (in the combat arena, of course!!!), but it's not for you. You can trade it in on a very relaxing sailing experience ...... or you can bite the bullet and go learn what our fighter pilots go through (or wish they could) when they're up there fighting for their butt (and us too) .... and along the way gather some experience that many of those holding a PPL never will. Me?? I'd go for the combat ride .... but I told you, I'm biased. Linn > Any input is appreciated. I suspect you'll get plenty of input. Jealous, all of them!!! :-D > > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:28 PM PST US From: "Robert G. Wright" Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" My wife says this is a bad idea. The purpose of the gift was to show her love and do something purely for your enjoyment. We do the logical stuff all the time -- enjoy this awesome gift for what it is! Let her see you smiling when you get in the plane, smiling when you exit the plane, and hide the bag of processed bananas when you get out! Rob #392 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Grimmonpre Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Jeff ... You are blessed with a wife who has the enthusiasm to get you this gift. It's now time for salesmanship. Convert this offer into something more beneficial ... such as a few hours of flight training/motivation in the RV-10 at Van's. This will convert a consumable extravagant gift into something that will save $ and facilitate your flying the 10 when completed. Explain it to be mandatory to get some check-out time for insurance purposes ... no stretch there. Also it's "a flight for motivation" if spent on the 10 at Van's. You and wife will have an opportunity to get a nice tour through the factory. It will give your wife the chance to fly in the 10 while you are training, if this is allowed. Maybe she could come along as a video person to tape the follow-on motivation movie, to be shown during your build time .... sell, sell, sell. Your wife will probably enjoy the gift as much as you do. Regards ... Jerry Grimmonpre' RV8A Electrical DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Carpenter" Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" > --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter > > Hi Listers... > > This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her > heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling > dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California. > > To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the > ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction > to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here > on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people > can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's > about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super > Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and > came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again. > > I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance > policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the > construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years > before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high > performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life > insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. > > So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had > this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's > spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be > more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my > wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego. > > Any input is appreciated. > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:54 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" From: "John W. Cox" --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" Take your wife with you as the "Backseat Ballast" with Mike Seager for two days of transition training in an actual RV-10. It will help in the build process, you can call it an investment. It will give you both just as big of a thrill and with luck, he can use N410RV instead of N220RV - thereby giving you the same 260hp kick. John - KUAO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter Hi Listers... This is a bit off topic, but I could use your help. My wife, bless her heart, has given me a "Fighter Pilot Experience"... "six, g- pulling dogfights" in a SIAI Marchetti SF260 out of Fullerton California. To her, I guess, the fact that I love to fly means that this would be the ultimate sort of experience. To me, it's not that simple. My attraction to flight has more to do with getting above all the congestion down here on a cool clear winter morning and going somewhere most other people can't go. It's about planning and executing a good, safe, flight. It's about landing on the numbers. I've spent some time inverted in a Super Decathalon over the Pacific Ocean... did a few loops and rolls... and came away a bit airsick with no urge to ever do that again. I'm a 250 hour pilot. I haven't flown in six years. My life insurance policy has a flying exclusion. I'm about 18 months in to the construction of my RV-10 and imagine I'm looking at about another 3 years before it's ready to fly. I had planned to get current, get my high performance endorsement and my instrument rating (as well as a new life insurance policy) as I was finishing up the RV-10. So, what can you tell me about the SIAI Marchetti SF260? Has anyone had this "experience," or have any knowledge of these operations? She's spent nearly $1,000.00 on the gift (a bunch of money for what can't be more than 2 hours of flying time). I can trade the gift (and burst my wife's bubble) for three days of sailing lessons down in San Diego. Any input is appreciated. Jeff Carpenter 40304 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:44 PM PST US From: "John Dunne" Subject: RE: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" "One mans meat is another mans poison" John 40315 Do not archive. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LIKE2LOOP@aol.com Sent: Friday, 3 March 2006 1:11 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: "Fighter Pilot Experience" In a message dated 3/2/06 2:44:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LloydDR@wernerco.com writes: I would recommend you taking the gift and really making a big deal of it and appreciate she is supporting your hobby, That says it all. WOW, what a great wife. If you are still not happy, i will take your wife, and the gift certificate and you can have my wife that hates planes and calls it "that thing", and has only been in our C-170 2 times in 3 years!!!! DO NOT ARCHIVE