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1. 09:50 AM - Top skin removal (Ted on RV list)
2. 10:03 AM - Re: Top skin removal (Conti, Rick)
3. 10:21 AM - Re: Top skin removal (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk))
4. 10:37 AM - Re: Top skin removal (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk))
5. 10:38 AM - Re: Top skin removal (David McNeill)
6. 11:09 AM - Re: Top skin removal (John Hasbrouck)
7. 12:37 PM - Re: Top skin removal (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk))
8. 12:37 PM - Re: Top skin removal (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk))
9. 01:02 PM - Re: Top skin removal (David Hertner)
10. 01:27 PM - Re: Top skin removal (rob kermanj)
11. 03:11 PM - Re: Top skin removal (Russell Daves)
12. 03:21 PM - Re: Top skin removal (Carl Froehlich)
13. 07:22 PM - FW: RV-10 elevators (Sean Blair)
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| Subject: | Top skin removal |
Listers
I'm thinking of drilling off the top skin to give better access to the
behind the panel work. Has anyone done this or is there some reason why it
would not make life a lot easier for wiring and equipment installations.
My back hurts just thinking about the work that would need to be done
while lying under the panel.
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Ted French
RV-10 fuselage
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| Subject: | Top skin removal |
My guess is that skin is crucial to holding the plane together. What
else is there above the sidewall between the firewall baggage bulkhead?
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Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
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From: Ted on RV list [mailto:ted_french@telus.net]
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Top skin removal
Listers
I'm thinking of drilling off the top skin to give better access
to the behind the panel work. Has anyone done this or is there some
reason why it would not make life a lot easier for wiring and equipment
installations.
My back hurts just thinking about the work that would need to be
done while lying under the panel.
Do Not Archive
Ted French
RV-10 fuselage
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| Subject: | Top skin removal |
I've been wondering the same thing. I believe I saw the folks in "From
The Ground UP" do that kind of thing. They built a quick build RV-8 and
that was his answer to that. Also, here in salt lake city, there are a
couple of Stewart P-51's that addressed this issue similarly, mostly
because they is no other way gain access behind the panel, unless I can
get my 2 year old grandson to do it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted on RV
list
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Top skin removal
Listers
I'm thinking of drilling off the top skin to give better access
to the behind the panel work. Has anyone done this or is there some
reason why it would not make life a lot easier for wiring and equipment
installations.
My back hurts just thinking about the work that would need to be
done while lying under the panel.
Do Not Archive
Ted French
RV-10 fuselage
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| Subject: | Top skin removal |
I hope that the file isn't too large. This is a picture of one of the
Stewart mustangs and if you look just in front of the wind screen you
can see the access panel. I think if there are no structural problems, I
would like too have access to the back of my panel like that. I also,
hate to work under a panel, when there could be a better way to do it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted on RV
list
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Top skin removal
Listers
I'm thinking of drilling off the top skin to give better access
to the behind the panel work. Has anyone done this or is there some
reason why it would not make life a lot easier for wiring and equipment
installations.
My back hurts just thinking about the work that would need to be
done while lying under the panel.
Do Not Archive
Ted French
RV-10 fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Top skin removal |
The trick is planning the panel. Either use the panel cutout methods or cut and
prepare a panel off the airplane. Then a single insert of the panel will be easy.
Of course you have to know the how and where of the wring , including the
wiring through the firewall.
Also the QB fuselage is in place with temporary rivets and was intended to be removed
from the fuselage for control system and other installations
----- Original Message -----
From: Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Top skin removal
I've been wondering the same thing. I believe I saw the folks in "From The Ground
UP" do that kind of thing. They built a quick build RV-8 and that was his
answer to that. Also, here in salt lake city, there are a couple of Stewart P-51's
that addressed this issue similarly, mostly because they is no other way
gain access behind the panel, unless I can get my 2 year old grandson to do it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted on RV list
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:48 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Top skin removal
Listers
I'm thinking of drilling off the top skin to give better access to the behind
the panel work. Has anyone done this or is there some reason why it would not
make life a lot easier for wiring and equipment installations.
My back hurts just thinking about the work that would need to be done while
lying under the panel.
Do Not Archive
Ted French
RV-10 fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Top skin removal |
Not having arrived at this point yet I can't answer the original question but I'll
add a question of my own. With the wiring completed and the avionics installed
can you get access to re-rivet the top skin back on?
John Hasbrouck
#40264 starting fuse ( slo build )
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| Subject: | Top skin removal |
Sorry I was thinking of something else.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hasbrouck
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Top skin removal
Not having arrived at this point yet I can't answer the original
question but I'll add a question of my own. With the wiring completed
and the avionics installed can you get access to re-rivet the top skin
back on?
John Hasbrouck
#40264 starting fuse ( slo build )
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| Subject: | Top skin removal |
What about a removable panel, like the access panel under the wing,
weatherstripped, of course, for future access?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hasbrouck
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Top skin removal
Not having arrived at this point yet I can't answer the original
question but I'll add a question of my own. With the wiring completed
and the avionics installed can you get access to re-rivet the top skin
back on?
John Hasbrouck
#40264 starting fuse ( slo build )
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| Subject: | Re: Top skin removal |
This is what Dan Checkoway did on his RV-7. He cut 2 access panels into the upper
portion of that panel and raved about how glad he was that he did it.
Dave Hertner
----- Original Message -----
From: Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Top skin removal
What about a removable panel, like the access panel under the wing, weatherstripped,
of course, for future access?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hasbrouck
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:07 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Top skin removal
Not having arrived at this point yet I can't answer the original question but
I'll add a question of my own. With the wiring completed and the avionics installed
can you get access to re-rivet the top skin back on?
John Hasbrouck
#40264 starting fuse ( slo build )
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| Subject: | Re: Top skin removal |
I have a slow built fuselage and am really happy to have the area
accessible for the wiring. In fact, I just riveted the top skin on
today after having competed AND tested the wiring. I wish that there
was a way to have access panels cut into the top panel for future
maintenance. Since the wind screen projects so much forward onto the
top skin, any access panel would have limited use.
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rob kermanj
rv10es@earthlink.net
On Mar 3, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Ted on RV list wrote:
>
> Listers
>
> I'm thinking of drilling off the top skin to give better access to
> the behind the panel work. Has anyone done this or is there some
> reason why it would not make life a lot easier for wiring and
> equipment installations.
>
> My back hurts just thinking about the work that would need to be
> done while lying under the panel.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Ted French
> RV-10 fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Top skin removal |
I will attempt to answer both Ted's and John's question concerning the to skin
and ribs above the panel (There questions are set out below).
Unless you have glassed in the windshield there is no problem drilling out the
top skin above the panel and re-riveting it back on after the canopy is attached.
A more detailed example is given below Ted and John's questions.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hasbrouck
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Top skin removal
Not having arrived at this point yet I can't answer the original question but
I'll add a question of my own. With the wiring completed and the avionics installed
can you get access to re-rivet the top skin back on?
John Hasbrouck
#40264 starting fuse ( slo build )
Listers
I'm thinking of drilling off the top skin to give better access to the behind
the panel work. Has anyone done this or is there some reason why it would not
make life a lot easier for wiring and equipment installations.
My back hurts just thinking about the work that would need to be done while
lying under the panel.
Ted French
RV-10 fuselage
As has already been posted the QB fuselage comes with the top skin riveted
with temporary rivets. I first removed the panel and then after I drilled out
the top skin with ribs attached it opened up the complete front of the fuselage
to the firewall.
It was then pretty easy to install the brakes, rudders, fuel lines, wiring,
etc. I clecoed the top skin back on to fit the canopy but did not cleco it to
the firewall, nor did I install the panel. After fitting the canopy and bolting
it down for good I then cut and fitted the windshield.
I then removed the windshield and removed the top skin so I now have access
to the front of the fuselage below where the panel will be when I install the
panel. Tomorrow morning I am going to hang the engine without the top skin
installed.
Stein at SteinAir is building my panel and hopefully it will arrive completely
assembled in the next week or so. I will fit the top skin to the panel on
the work bench to check for rib clearance and then do any rib modifications that
might be needed.
Then I will reinstall the top skin and rivet it down and then install the panel
and finish up the panel wiring and cable runs to the engine.
Russ Daves
#40044 (Hope to fly in May)
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| Subject: | Top skin removal |
A removable panel is the only way to go. Do all the panel interconnection
wiring, anything leaving the panel is via Molex plugs. This is what I did
in my RV-8A, and will do in my RV-10.
In the 4 years of flying the RV-8A, I have had the panel out a half dozen
times. I have never had to do the "on your back" thing.
Carl Froehlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ted on RV list
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:48 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Top skin removal
Listers
I'm thinking of drilling off the top skin to give better access to the
behind the panel work. Has anyone done this or is there some reason why it
would not make life a lot easier for wiring and equipment installations.
My back hurts just thinking about the work that would need to be done
while lying under the panel.
Do Not Archive
Ted French
RV-10 fuselage
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| Subject: | FW: RV-10 elevators |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Sean Blair" <seanblair@adelphia.net>
Hey everyone,
I couldn't give it a rest and asked Van's for an official response
regarding the trailing edge heavy elevators. I think this is a very
good explanation from Gus at Van's.
Sean B.
#40225
-----Original Message-----
From: Gus Funnell [mailto:gusf@vansaircraft.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV-10 elevators
Check that you only trimmed 1 weight and that the fiberglass tips are
attached. If so, it will still be trailing edge heavy. The limit is 37.5
in/lb trailing edge heavy. What this means is that it is OK to have the
elevators on the RV-10 trailing edge heavy, to the point that it would
take 3.75lbs stationed 10" forward of the hinge line to balance them.
If it takes more than that (very unlikely), you need to add some
weight to the counterbalance. This is defined in section 15 page 2
which you may not have yet (comes in finish kit). This is not the
same as other RVs, hence the tech counselor's confusion.
Vans
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