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1. 04:04 AM - Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 04:32 AM - Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
3. 05:39 AM - Re: Planned or Future Wing Removal - Connections at wing root (Jesse Saint)
4. 11:37 AM - Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement (Jerry Grimmonpre)
5. 12:00 PM - Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement (Tim Olson)
6. 12:09 PM - Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement (Sean Stephens)
7. 12:26 PM - Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement (Jerry Grimmonpre)
8. 12:33 PM - Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement (Tim Olson)
9. 12:45 PM - Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement (Tim Olson)
10. 12:57 PM - Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
11. 05:47 PM - Bonding Strap Location (Tommy Norman)
12. 06:41 PM - Re: Bonding Strap Location (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 08:54 PM - Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement (KellyM)
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| Subject: | Coax reqts and antenna placement |
Not too many people actually put in the old bowtie glideslope antenna anymore.
Save yourself the drag and just split it off of your nav antenna or call Bob
Archer and ask him to make you one.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lenhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Coax reqts and antenna placement
While we're on the subject and for those planning on ILS, where is the glideslope
antennas being mounted? I was thinking of putting it above the windscreen,
maybe glassing it into the canopy, and running the coax down the support. Any
better suggestions or experiences?
John Lenhardt
#40262
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| Subject: | Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement |
Serious future IFR flying...consider adding a WAAS enabled GPS to the
mix...maybe something you'll really need long term.
Looking forward to meeting some of you at SnF. Any of you going to the
EAA's Chapter Leader's BBQ on Thursday evening?
Patrick Scott
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| Subject: | Planned or Future Wing Removal - Connections at wing root |
These were our thoughts exactly. There's a lot more chance of having a bad
connection with two more crimps in each wire. A solid wire will be much
less likely to fail. If/when you do take the wings off, cut the wires and
make a connection then.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
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(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Planned or Future Wing Removal - Connections at wing
root
I plan on making straight runs with a service loop at the wings. If I ever
have to take them apart I can cut the loop and put in connectors at that
point.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Planned or Future Wing Removal - Connections at wing
root
Attaching the wings looks like it might be a significant job on the -10.
Removing and re-installing is not something that I would look forward to.
What do listers really think the probability of removing a wing is likely to
be, once the plane is finished and flying? Currently mulling over the REAL
need for electrical connectors at the wing roots.
cheers,
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement |
Hi David,
Please excuse my butting-in on this subject line ... does your statement below
also mean the SL30 loc antenna input would receive all three (NAV included) ...
plus LOC and GS?
Thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A Electrical
Huntley IL
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Coax reqts and antenna placement
why not install a SL30; the loc antenna input is good for both loc and gs?
----- Original Message -----
From: John Lenhardt
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Coax reqts and antenna placement
While we're on the subject and for those planning on ILS, where is the glideslope
antennas being mounted? I was thinking of putting it above the windscreen,
maybe glassing it into the canopy, and running the coax down the support.
Any better suggestions or experiences?
John Lenhardt
#40262
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| Subject: | Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
FWIW, I used the Comant CI-157P cat whiskers VOR/LOC/GS antenna
and with just the one cable connected in to my SL-30 I have
all functionality. I also used the Bob Archer NAV into my
GNS-480 with just the single connector and I get VOR/LOC/GS
signals there too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
> Hi David,
> Please excuse my butting-in on this subject line ... does your statement
> below also mean the SL30 loc antenna input would receive all three (NAV
> included) ... plus LOC and GS?
> Thanks ...
> Jerry Grimmonpre'
> RV8A Electrical
> Huntley IL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David McNeill <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Coax reqts and antenna placement
>
> why not install a SL30; the loc antenna input is good for both loc
> and gs?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Lenhardt <mailto:av8or@cox.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:07 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Coax reqts and antenna placement
>
> While we're on the subject and for those planning on ILS, where
> is the glideslope antennas being mounted? I was thinking of
> putting it above the windscreen, maybe glassing it into the
> canopy, and running the coax down the support. Any better
> suggestions or experiences?
>
> John Lenhardt
> #40262
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| Subject: | Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> FWIW, I used the Comant CI-157P cat whiskers VOR/LOC/GS antenna
> and with just the one cable connected in to my SL-30 I have
> all functionality. I also used the Bob Archer NAV into my
> GNS-480 with just the single connector and I get VOR/LOC/GS
> signals there too.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
That's because those radios jave built in diplexers right?
-Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Thanks Tim ...
Is the Bob Archer NAV the wingtip install? Do you receive with the Bob
Archer OK if the station is on the opposite side from the antenna?
Jerry Grimmonpre'
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> FWIW, I used the Comant CI-157P cat whiskers VOR/LOC/GS antenna
> and with just the one cable connected in to my SL-30 I have
> all functionality. I also used the Bob Archer NAV into my
> GNS-480 with just the single connector and I get VOR/LOC/GS
> signals there too.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
>> Hi David,
>> Please excuse my butting-in on this subject line ... does your statement
>> below also mean the SL30 loc antenna input would receive all three (NAV
>> included) ... plus LOC and GS?
>> Thanks ...
>> Jerry Grimmonpre'
>> RV8A Electrical
>> Huntley IL
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| Subject: | Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I had to look it up...
SL-30 Install manual page 3 - Features * Internal RF Diplexor
Page 16: "It's size dictates room for only one Comm Antenna
input and one NAVS antenna input. It conforporates an internal
diplexor circuit. This means that the input VHF signal must not
strip the glideslope 330Mhz signal from the NAV 108Mhz signal.
Bold:DO NOT INSTALL AN EXTERNAL DIPLEXOR"
GNS480 Install manual page 2-43: "The GNS 480 incorporates
an internal diplexor circuit. <then more of the same as above>"
"...It is recommended that a single VOR/Localizer/Glideslope antenna be
used for the installation. Most VOR/LOC-ony antennas will still
provide an adequate glideslope signal for the GNS 480 to operate
normally."
Then further....for those who only want one antenna (you WILL
lose some signal to each system if you do this):
"If two nav receivers (e.g. one GNS480 and one SL30) are
installed in the aircraft, a splitter must be used.
Installation should use an appropriate splitter, such as the
Mini-Circuits ZFSC-2-1B BNC, available as an option under the
Garmin AT part number 115-0007."
** This should not be necessary if you have 2 antennas
Looks like the SL-30 and GNS480 make things a bit simpler
to install.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Sean Stephens wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
>
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> FWIW, I used the Comant CI-157P cat whiskers VOR/LOC/GS antenna
>> and with just the one cable connected in to my SL-30 I have
>> all functionality. I also used the Bob Archer NAV into my
>> GNS-480 with just the single connector and I get VOR/LOC/GS
>> signals there too.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>
> That's because those radios jave built in diplexers right?
>
> -Sean #40303
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yes, it's the wingtip install. Pretty simple. I used it
for my #2 NAV as I trust the tail mounted (underside)
cat whiskers more, due to the shielding of the airframe
that I can tell is what you're concerned about. Sorry, but
so far I haven't done enough approaches to say if it gets great signal
when it's shielded by the airframe. I'll try to make it a point to
pay attention to that and let the group know.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
> Thanks Tim ...
> Is the Bob Archer NAV the wingtip install? Do you receive with the Bob
> Archer OK if the station is on the opposite side from the antenna?
> Jerry Grimmonpre'
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> FWIW, I used the Comant CI-157P cat whiskers VOR/LOC/GS antenna
>> and with just the one cable connected in to my SL-30 I have
>> all functionality. I also used the Bob Archer NAV into my
>> GNS-480 with just the single connector and I get VOR/LOC/GS
>> signals there too.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
>>> Hi David,
>>> Please excuse my butting-in on this subject line ... does your
>>> statement below also mean the SL30 loc antenna input would receive
>>> all three (NAV included) ... plus LOC and GS?
>>> Thanks ...
>>> Jerry Grimmonpre'
>>> RV8A Electrical
>>> Huntley IL
>
>
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| Subject: | Coax reqts and antenna placement |
Yeah, SL30 has a built-in splitter . . .
TDT
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Grimmonpre
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Coax reqts and antenna placement
Hi David,
Please excuse my butting-in on this subject line ... does your statement
below also mean the SL30 loc antenna input would receive all three (NAV
included) ... plus LOC and GS?
Thanks ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A Electrical
Huntley IL
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Coax reqts and antenna placement
why not install a SL30; the loc antenna input is good for both
loc and gs?
----- Original Message -----
From: John Lenhardt <mailto:av8or@cox.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Coax reqts and antenna placement
While we're on the subject and for those planning on
ILS, where is the glideslope antennas being mounted? I was thinking of
putting it above the windscreen, maybe glassing it into the canopy, and
running the coax down the support. Any better suggestions or
experiences?
John Lenhardt
#40262
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| Subject: | Bonding Strap Location |
For those of you that decided to install static wicks with bonding
straps, where are you attaching the bonding straps? I have looked at
the production spam cans around the airport but wanted to see what other
-10 builders are doing.
Also, what are you using for the strap and what size? Something like
this http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/copperbraid.php with
a crimped ring terminal?
Thanks,
Tommy
Frisco, TX (DFW area)
RV-10
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to
return.
--Leonardo da Vinci
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| Subject: | Bonding Strap Location |
I am not planning on putting on static wicks but I do plan on trying to bond the
flight controls. How? Not sure yet. You have the right idea with the tinned
strap though. Several people are doing wicks and you can find a rough guesstimate
on Tim's site for a starting point. I don't necessarily believe that
we are in the speed ranges that need wicks yet, but to each his own. The electrical
potential difference between the flight controls and the main airframe
is more likely to cause problems (RF noise, corrosion, etc) than actual static
build up at the trailing edges IMHO.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Norman
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Bonding Strap Location
For those of you that decided to install static wicks with bonding straps, where
are you attaching the bonding straps? I have looked at the production spam
cans around the airport but wanted to see what other -10 builders are doing.
Also, what are you using for the strap and what size? Something like this http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/copperbraid.php with a crimped ring terminal?
Thanks,
Tommy
Frisco, TX (DFW area)
RV-10
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards,
for there you have been and there you will long to return.
--Leonardo da Vinci
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| Subject: | Re: Coax reqts and antenna placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: KellyM <kellym@aviating.com>
You could probably remove the cat whiskers and replace with external
diplexer. I have two triplexers in my Mooney, to feed two older nav coms
each with separate glideslope receivers, all running of a single cat
whisker antenna, reception is fine.
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Yes, it's the wingtip install. Pretty simple. I used it
> for my #2 NAV as I trust the tail mounted (underside)
> cat whiskers more, due to the shielding of the airframe
> that I can tell is what you're concerned about. Sorry, but
> so far I haven't done enough approaches to say if it gets great signal
> when it's shielded by the airframe. I'll try to make it a point to
> pay attention to that and let the group know.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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>
> Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>>
>> Thanks Tim ...
>> Is the Bob Archer NAV the wingtip install? Do you receive with the
>> Bob Archer OK if the station is on the opposite side from the antenna?
>> Jerry Grimmonpre'
>>
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>> FWIW, I used the Comant CI-157P cat whiskers VOR/LOC/GS antenna
>>> and with just the one cable connected in to my SL-30 I have
>>> all functionality. I also used the Bob Archer NAV into my
>>> GNS-480 with just the single connector and I get VOR/LOC/GS
>>> signals there too.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
>>>> Hi David,
>>>> Please excuse my butting-in on this subject line ... does your
>>>> statement below also mean the SL30 loc antenna input would receive
>>>> all three (NAV included) ... plus LOC and GS?
>>>> Thanks ...
>>>> Jerry Grimmonpre'
>>>> RV8A Electrical
>>>> Huntley IL
>>
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