RV10-List Digest Archive

Thu 03/23/06


Total Messages Posted: 20



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     1. 08:16 AM - Chelton SV-10 (Indran Chelvanayagam)
     2. 08:41 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Mani Ravee)
     3. 09:40 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Tim Olson)
     4. 10:15 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Larry Rosen)
     5. 11:14 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Sam Marlow)
     6. 11:33 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Tim Olson)
     7. 11:47 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Mike Lauritsen - Work)
     8. 01:58 PM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (McGANN, Ron)
     9. 02:35 PM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Tim Olson)
    10. 02:52 PM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (James Hein)
    11. 02:56 PM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Indran Chelvanayagam)
    12. 03:03 PM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (McGANN, Ron)
    13. 04:12 PM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (John Dunne)
    14. 04:12 PM - Top Cowling Hinge Pins Access (Marcus Cooper)
    15. 04:33 PM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Dj Merrill)
    16. 04:38 PM - Builder Names - Off topic (John Jessen)
    17. 04:38 PM - Re: Top Cowling Hinge Pins Access (Tim Olson)
    18. 04:55 PM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (John Dunne)
    19. 05:02 PM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Dj Merrill)
    20. 07:52 PM - Re: Top Cowling Hinge Pins Access (Marcus Cooper)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:16:25 AM PST US
    From: "Indran Chelvanayagam" <ichelva@netspace.net.au>
    Subject: Chelton SV-10
    Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than Van's basic offering. http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf Indran Chelvanayagam 40228 Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?


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    Time: 08:41:46 AM PST US
    From: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Chelton SV-10
    Answer to my prayers. I'm lovin' it. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Indran Chelvanayagam Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10 Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than Van's basic offering. http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf Indran Chelvanayagam 40228 Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?


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    Time: 09:40:19 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Chelton SV-10
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> I'm not at all sure of this, but, I think the wiring harness, if it truly includes pitot heat and all, is just based on Van's standard wiring harness. I'd actually be a tiny bit discouraged if it included all the other wiring in that there's WAY too much stuff that builders will want to customize, and it's not nearly as clean to chop up a harness in many cases as it is to just make one. For all the AHRS and interconnect and Chelton related things though, the harness would be a fantastic add-on. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Indran Chelvanayagam wrote: > Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" > Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring > harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, > trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than Van's basic > offering. > > http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf > > Indran Chelvanayagam > 40228 > Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?


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    Time: 10:15:09 AM PST US
    From: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Chelton SV-10
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net> If someone gets some details on the Chelton wiring harness please share with the list. Larry Rosen Tim Olson wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> > > I'm not at all sure of this, but, I think the wiring harness, if it > truly includes pitot heat and all, is just based on Van's standard > wiring harness. I'd actually be a tiny bit discouraged if it included > all the other wiring in that there's WAY too much stuff that builders > will want to customize, and it's not nearly as clean to chop up > a harness in many cases as it is to just make one. For all the AHRS > and interconnect and Chelton related things though, the harness > would be a fantastic add-on. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Indran Chelvanayagam wrote: > >> Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" >> Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring >> harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, >> trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than Van's >> basic offering. >> >> http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf >> >> Indran Chelvanayagam >> 40228 >> Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end? > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > >


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    Time: 11:14:31 AM PST US
    From: Sam Marlow <sam.marlow@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: Chelton SV-10
    Really unbelievable they would publish the add with a non working phone number! Makes you wonder about the quality of there work! Indran Chelvanayagam wrote: > Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" > Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring > harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, > trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than > Van's basic offering. > > http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf > > Indran Chelvanayagam > 40228 > Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?


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    Time: 11:33:09 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Chelton SV-10
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> That's a misprint. The real number is 541-504-8300. I know they have an outside company print their flyers, so obviously it required further proofreading. Hope that helps you get to them easier. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Sam Marlow wrote: > Really unbelievable they would publish the add with a non working phone > number! Makes you wonder about the quality of there work! > > Indran Chelvanayagam wrote: >> Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" >> Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring >> harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, >> trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than >> Van's basic offering. >> >> http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf >> >> Indran Chelvanayagam >> 40228 >> Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?


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    Time: 11:47:52 AM PST US
    From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
    Subject: Chelton SV-10
    It is easier that you can imagine. We work on our catalog for months and have dozens of people look it over and it is full of little errors every year. We printed 5000 invoices once with the wrong phone number on them. We get phone calls everyday from a Harvard Business School ad that they ran 10 years ago with a misprinted phone number (since copied all over the internet in .JPG) It happens, I just hope they are expert avionics guys and not proofreaders. Mike Lauritsen Cleaveland Aircraft Tool 2225 First St. Boone, Iowa 50036 515-432-6794 mike@cleavelandtool.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Marlow Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10 Really unbelievable they would publish the add with a non working phone number! Makes you wonder about the quality of there work! Indran Chelvanayagam wrote: Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than Van's basic offering. http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf Indran Chelvanayagam 40228 Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?


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    Time: 01:58:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Chelton SV-10
    From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
    Indran and other Ozzie 10 builders. This product looks truly awesome (esp with the harness), but are we going to see the full value? Does anyone have any insight into the quality of the terrain database we would get? Can we get weather? By the time you complement this with dual coms, navs, xpdr, a/p, audio etc, and at close to 70c to the USD, the panel becomes a mighty expensive proposition. I would like to consider this as an option b4 I commit to the GRT, which imho is a better bang for the buck option, so all comments appreciated. cheers, Ron 187 do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Indran Chelvanayagam Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 2:44 AM Subject: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10 Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than Van's basic offering. http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf Indran Chelvanayagam 40228 Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?


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    Time: 02:35:40 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Chelton SV-10
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> I checked with Josh at D2AV today on a couple things: * They updated the .pdf with the proper phone number * They are very busy and will get out more info on the harness details after Sun-N-Fun, as they're rushing to get things ready for the show right now. * The approximate cost of the harness purchased separately is $2,210.00 Beyond that, to answer Ron's questions, the Terrain database is the same as all the other units...there is only one terrain database. The weather is an add-on module that can be added on at any time. WSI is merging with Sirius, so later there will be a new WSI receiver. On my site this a.m. I posted some WSI news that since I had a non-activated AV100 receiver, if I activate a plan or buy hardware in 2006, I will get a free AV300 receiver in late 2006 when the merge is done, which will let me work with Sirius/WSI for weather. Until then I'll have my plain old WSI as usual. I believe that it's very likely you'll hear that you can add XM weather to the Chelton this year as well, so yes, you can get weather. The important thing to remember is that the panel mounted screens themselves are identical to the units they've been selling recently that are non-RV-10, except that they have a different startup graphic. You are correct that when you add all of it up it becomes quite an expensive panel. If you fill your panel with all sorts of stuff, it's going to cost a lot....especially if you put lots of Garmin stuff in there. 480's/530's and GDL-69's, MX-20/GMX200's, and all of the toys, the panel is going to be a considerable hunk of your plane's cost. In my case, I'm figuring my panel is about 38-40% of the overall cost of the plane. The GRT is also a very good bang for the buck, and is a good system, it's just different. It's like shopping for a Geo (Dynon) Chevy (GRT) BMW (Chelton) or Ferrari (Avidyne/Garmin G1000) They all get you there, but you get increasing resolutions/reliability/features depending on how far you push the purchases. Strive for the best you can within your budget, and you can make a very good panel with just about any of the systems. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive McGANN, Ron wrote: > Indran and other Ozzie 10 builders. > > This product looks truly awesome (esp with the harness), but are we > going to see the full value? Does anyone have any insight into the > quality of the terrain database we would get? Can we get weather? By > the time you complement this with dual coms, navs, xpdr, a/p, audio etc, > and at close to 70c to the USD, the panel becomes a mighty expensive > proposition. I would like to consider this as an option b4 I commit to > the GRT, which imho is a better bang for the buck option, so all > comments appreciated. > > cheers, > Ron > 187 > > do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of* Indran > Chelvanayagam > *Sent:* Friday, 24 March 2006 2:44 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Chelton SV-10 > > Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" > Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring > harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, > trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than > Van's basic offering. > > http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf > > Indran Chelvanayagam > 40228 > Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?


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    Time: 02:52:31 PM PST US
    From: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
    Subject: Re: Chelton SV-10
    --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net> Any idea what the cost is? I know I'll be broke after buying an engine, so I may have to wait a few years for a real panel, but may as well get the sticker shock out of the way now! -Jim 40384 Tim Olson wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> > > I checked with Josh at D2AV today on a couple things: > > * They updated the .pdf with the proper phone number > > * They are very busy and will get out more info on the harness details > after Sun-N-Fun, as they're rushing to get things ready for the show > right now. > > * The approximate cost of the harness purchased separately is $2,210.00 > > Beyond that, to answer Ron's questions, the Terrain database is the > same as all the other units...there is only one terrain database. The > weather is an add-on module that can be added on at any time. WSI is > merging with Sirius, so later there will be a new WSI receiver. On my > site this a.m. I posted some WSI news that since I had a non-activated > AV100 receiver, if I activate a plan or buy hardware in 2006, I will > get a free AV300 receiver in late 2006 when the merge is done, which > will let me work with Sirius/WSI for weather. Until then I'll have my > plain old WSI as usual. I believe that it's very likely you'll hear > that you can add XM weather to the Chelton this year as well, so yes, > you can get weather. The important thing to remember is that the > panel mounted screens themselves are identical to the units they've > been selling recently that are non-RV-10, except that they have a > different startup graphic. > > You are correct that when you add all of it up it becomes quite > an expensive panel. If you fill your panel with all sorts of stuff, > it's going to cost a lot....especially if you put lots of Garmin stuff > in there. 480's/530's and GDL-69's, MX-20/GMX200's, and all of the > toys, the panel is going to be a considerable hunk of your plane's > cost. In my case, I'm figuring my panel is about 38-40% of the overall > cost of the plane. > > The GRT is also a very good bang for the buck, and is a good system, > it's just different. > > It's like shopping for a Geo (Dynon) Chevy (GRT) BMW (Chelton) or > Ferrari (Avidyne/Garmin G1000) They all get you there, but you get > increasing resolutions/reliability/features depending on how far you > push the purchases. Strive for the best you can within your budget, > and you can make a very good panel with just about any of the systems. > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > McGANN, Ron wrote: > >> Indran and other Ozzie 10 builders. >> >> This product looks truly awesome (esp with the harness), but are we >> going to see the full value? Does anyone have any insight into the >> quality of the terrain database we would get? Can we get weather? >> By the time you complement this with dual coms, navs, xpdr, a/p, >> audio etc, and at close to 70c to the USD, the panel becomes a mighty >> expensive proposition. I would like to consider this as an option b4 >> I commit to the GRT, which imho is a better bang for the buck option, >> so all comments appreciated. >> >> cheers, >> Ron >> 187 >> >> do not archive >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of* Indran >> Chelvanayagam >> *Sent:* Friday, 24 March 2006 2:44 AM >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* RV10-List: Chelton SV-10 >> >> Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" >> Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring >> harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, >> trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than >> Van's basic offering. >> http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf >> Indran Chelvanayagam >> 40228 >> Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end? > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > >


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    Time: 02:56:38 PM PST US
    From: "Indran Chelvanayagam" <ichelva@netspace.net.au>
    Subject: Chelton SV-10
    Ron, Apparently terrain is based on international Jeppesen database - so will include Aussie terrain & published obstructions. Weather not likely to ever appear on Satellite radio. However, I plan to mount a small car PC & touchscreen into the dash, with a CDMA "mobile broadband" adapter. The reception is surprisingly good in the air - I get coverage most of the way from Bunbury to Geraldton at 2-5000 ft. Would be good to have access to the NAIPS system both in the air and on the ramp prior to takeoff - imagine submitting a flight plan via internet while flying! Also the Bureau of Meteorology website has links to weather radar around the country, updated every 10mins. No doubt that the GRT better value for money, but I am leaning more toward Chelton for the terrain, traffic (with Mode S transponder) and safety in numbers - more units out there (both certified & experimental). Also WAAS upgradeable whenever we get it down under. The word on the SV-10 with wiring harness is that it will cost approx $1000 more than standard. They will start shipping units in May, with 40 projected to go out the door by November. Indran _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 5:56 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10 Indran and other Ozzie 10 builders. This product looks truly awesome (esp with the harness), but are we going to see the full value? Does anyone have any insight into the quality of the terrain database we would get? Can we get weather? By the time you complement this with dual coms, navs, xpdr, a/p, audio etc, and at close to 70c to the USD, the panel becomes a mighty expensive proposition. I would like to consider this as an option b4 I commit to the GRT, which imho is a better bang for the buck option, so all comments appreciated. cheers, Ron 187 do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Indran Chelvanayagam Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 2:44 AM Subject: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10 Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than Van's basic offering. http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf Indran Chelvanayagam 40228 Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?


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    Time: 03:03:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Chelton SV-10
    From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
    Hi Tim - great response as always. I was under the impression that 'the rest of the world' including us deep southerners received lower resolution terrain compared to North America. Also, my understanding of the Weather capability is that the data are sourced from satellite. I'm pretty sure we don't have access to that data down here. Garmin 396's aren't that popular here for that reason. Would be delighted if I am wrong, 'cause I really like the Chelton system. cheers, Ron -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10 --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> I checked with Josh at D2AV today on a couple things: * They updated the .pdf with the proper phone number * They are very busy and will get out more info on the harness details after Sun-N-Fun, as they're rushing to get things ready for the show right now. * The approximate cost of the harness purchased separately is $2,210.00 Beyond that, to answer Ron's questions, the Terrain database is the same as all the other units...there is only one terrain database. The weather is an add-on module that can be added on at any time. WSI is merging with Sirius, so later there will be a new WSI receiver. On my site this a.m. I posted some WSI news that since I had a non-activated AV100 receiver, if I activate a plan or buy hardware in 2006, I will get a free AV300 receiver in late 2006 when the merge is done, which will let me work with Sirius/WSI for weather. Until then I'll have my plain old WSI as usual. I believe that it's very likely you'll hear that you can add XM weather to the Chelton this year as well, so yes, you can get weather. The important thing to remember is that the panel mounted screens themselves are identical to the units they've been selling recently that are non-RV-10, except that they have a different startup graphic. You are correct that when you add all of it up it becomes quite an expensive panel. If you fill your panel with all sorts of stuff, it's going to cost a lot....especially if you put lots of Garmin stuff in there. 480's/530's and GDL-69's, MX-20/GMX200's, and all of the toys, the panel is going to be a considerable hunk of your plane's cost. In my case, I'm figuring my panel is about 38-40% of the overall cost of the plane. The GRT is also a very good bang for the buck, and is a good system, it's just different. It's like shopping for a Geo (Dynon) Chevy (GRT) BMW (Chelton) or Ferrari (Avidyne/Garmin G1000) They all get you there, but you get increasing resolutions/reliability/features depending on how far you push the purchases. Strive for the best you can within your budget, and you can make a very good panel with just about any of the systems. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive


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    Time: 04:12:40 PM PST US
    From: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
    Subject: Chelton SV-10
    Ron and Indran, also keep in mind the introduction of ADS-B (draft AC-21-45(0) released yesterday). There may well be another box to buy. It might influence your transponder choice. Also check out AIRNAV www.sentientsoftware.com.au <http://www.sentientsoftware.com.au/> for their panel based PC running XP with touch screen. VFR info but you can display moving map over genuine charts. Just a thought, combine 300XL with SL30 and you get two comms, a nav and a gps all readable from the GRT's, a saving of $2K + over the 430 with an extra comm for similar capability. John 40315 Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 9:03 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10 Hi Tim - great response as always. I was under the impression that 'the rest of the world' including us deep southerners received lower resolution terrain compared to North America. Also, my understanding of the Weather capability is that the data are sourced from satellite. I'm pretty sure we don't have access to that data down here. Garmin 396's aren't that popular here for that reason. Would be delighted if I am wrong, 'cause I really like the Chelton system. cheers, Ron -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10 --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> I checked with Josh at D2AV today on a couple things: * They updated the .pdf with the proper phone number * They are very busy and will get out more info on the harness details after Sun-N-Fun, as they're rushing to get things ready for the show right now. * The approximate cost of the harness purchased separately is $2,210.00 Beyond that, to answer Ron's questions, the Terrain database is the same as all the other units...there is only one terrain database. The weather is an add-on module that can be added on at any time. WSI is merging with Sirius, so later there will be a new WSI receiver. On my site this a.m. I posted some WSI news that since I had a non-activated AV100 receiver, if I activate a plan or buy hardware in 2006, I will get a free AV300 receiver in late 2006 when the merge is done, which will let me work with Sirius/WSI for weather. Until then I'll have my plain old WSI as usual. I believe that it's very likely you'll hear that you can add XM weather to the Chelton this year as well, so yes, you can get weather. The important thing to remember is that the panel mounted screens themselves are identical to the units they've been selling recently that are non-RV-10, except that they have a different startup graphic. You are correct that when you add all of it up it becomes quite an expensive panel. If you fill your panel with all sorts of stuff, it's going to cost a lot....especially if you put lots of Garmin stuff in there. 480's/530's and GDL-69's, MX-20/GMX200's, and all of the toys, the panel is going to be a considerable hunk of your plane's cost. In my case, I'm figuring my panel is about 38-40% of the overall cost of the plane. The GRT is also a very good bang for the buck, and is a good system, it's just different. It's like shopping for a Geo (Dynon) Chevy (GRT) BMW (Chelton) or Ferrari (Avidyne/Garmin G1000) They all get you there, but you get increasing resolutions/reliability/features depending on how far you push the purchases. Strive for the best you can within your budget, and you can make a very good panel with just about any of the systems. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive


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    Time: 04:12:56 PM PST US
    From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Top Cowling Hinge Pins Access
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net> I suspect this will fall under the incredibly stupid question category, but here goes. I'm installing the cowling and all is going well but I am completely stumped about access to the top hinge pins. I installed the center bracket per the plans and have no idea how to remove the pins with it in place. Since the plans call for galling the screws, removing the plate certainly isn't the solution. Maybe I gave up thinking about it to early, but any advice would be deeply appreciated. Thanks, Marcus 40286 DEFINITELY Do Not Archive


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    Time: 04:33:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Chelton SV-10
    From: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> John Dunne wrote: > Ron and Indran, also keep in mind the introduction of ADS-B (draft > AC-21-45(0) released yesterday). Hi John, Any idea where to find this document online? I tried Google and the FAA site, but no joy. Thanks, -Dj


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    Time: 04:38:12 PM PST US
    From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
    Subject: Builder Names - Off topic
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com> Folks: Still tinkering with the web site. Wanted to put as many builder names and contact information (at least the state location) as possible. I know we have the Frapper, or whatever it's called, and I was thinking about using that as the basis. However, when discussing this with the venerable Mr. Cox, he pointed out that many might not want their names and so forth on a public site. Hadn't thought of that, but agree. So, here's my thought. I'd like to at least put names and location (state only). I will get these off the Frapper, since if you've put your name there it appears you've gone public anyway. I will not put anyone's web site link or email address, unless they explicitly tell me to do so. I'd like to have a link to a picture of your plane or of you, but again, I won't do that unless you allow me to. So, please respond off line if you'd 1. NOT WANT to be on the builder's list on my builder's web site page, or 2. WANT to have your name listed, and what type of link is acceptable (eg, web site, email, picture, etc.), if any (also let me know your build number and if you're flying) If I don't hear from you and you are on the Frapper, chances are you'll be placed on my list. John Jessen ~328 (Tailcone) email to : jjessen at rcn dot com do not archive


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    Time: 04:38:12 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Top Cowling Hinge Pins Access
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> The bracket fits flush with the cowling skin. When you loosen the screws, you push the bracket down, leaving a gap all around it so that you can pull the pins. The galling is just so that you don't lose the bracket by screwing the screws out to far I think. I didn't gall mine. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Marcus Cooper wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net> > > I suspect this will fall under the incredibly stupid question category, but > here goes. I'm installing the cowling and all is going well but I am > completely stumped about access to the top hinge pins. I installed the > center bracket per the plans and have no idea how to remove the pins with it > in place. Since the plans call for galling the screws, removing the plate > certainly isn't the solution. Maybe I gave up thinking about it to early, > but any advice would be deeply appreciated. > > Thanks, > Marcus > 40286 > > DEFINITELY Do Not Archive >


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    Time: 04:55:57 PM PST US
    From: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
    Subject: Chelton SV-10
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au> Sorry Dj, I meant to clarify, "6. APPLICABILITY 6.1 This AC is applicable to all Australian registered aircraft and foreign aircraft wishing to transmit ADS-B information in Australia." The Australian CASA will be consulting with the FAA in any case and it may provide interesting reading for you, so if you still want a copy I'll forward it to your personal email. John Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill Sent: Friday, 24 March 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10 --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> John Dunne wrote: > Ron and Indran, also keep in mind the introduction of ADS-B (draft > AC-21-45(0) released yesterday). Hi John, Any idea where to find this document online? I tried Google and the FAA site, but no joy. Thanks, -Dj


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    Time: 05:02:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Chelton SV-10
    From: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> John Dunne wrote: > The Australian CASA will be consulting with the FAA in any case and it may > provide interesting reading for you, so if you still want a copy I'll > forward it to your personal email. Ah! Well, that makes sense why I could not find it... *grin* Actually, I'd love a copy if you don't mind. I'm very interested in ADS-B. Thanks, -Dj


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    Time: 07:52:47 PM PST US
    From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Top Cowling Hinge Pins Access
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net> AAAHHHHH, thanks Tim. I don't think I would have figured that out. Marcus 40286, cowling dangerously close to being finished Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Top Cowling Hinge Pins Access --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> The bracket fits flush with the cowling skin. When you loosen the screws, you push the bracket down, leaving a gap all around it so that you can pull the pins. The galling is just so that you don't lose the bracket by screwing the screws out to far I think. I didn't gall mine. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Marcus Cooper wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net> > > I suspect this will fall under the incredibly stupid question category, but > here goes. I'm installing the cowling and all is going well but I am > completely stumped about access to the top hinge pins. I installed the > center bracket per the plans and have no idea how to remove the pins with it > in place. Since the plans call for galling the screws, removing the plate > certainly isn't the solution. Maybe I gave up thinking about it to early, > but any advice would be deeply appreciated. > > Thanks, > Marcus > 40286 > > DEFINITELY Do Not Archive >




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