Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:33 AM - Re: Top Cowling Hinge Pins Access (Rob Kermanj)
2. 05:17 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Jesse Saint)
3. 05:45 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Tim Olson)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Bob Newman)
5. 06:59 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (SteinAir, Inc.)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Tim Olson)
7. 07:48 AM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (David McNeill)
8. 08:13 AM - Survey Question about hangers. (John Gonzalez)
9. 08:30 AM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (Rob Kermanj)
10. 08:31 AM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (John Jessen)
11. 09:06 AM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (Jeff Dalton)
12. 09:16 AM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (Jay Rowe)
13. 09:18 AM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (Tim Coldenhoff)
14. 09:56 AM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (Phil Hall)
15. 11:10 AM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (John Hasbrouck)
16. 12:16 PM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (Mike Lauritsen - Work)
17. 01:37 PM - Tow Bar (Gary Specketer)
18. 01:40 PM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (jwik)
19. 01:57 PM - Re: Tow Bar (Marcus Cooper)
20. 02:31 PM - Re: Tow Bar (Rob Kermanj)
21. 03:40 PM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
22. 05:33 PM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (linn Walters)
23. 05:49 PM - Re: Survey Question about hangers. (Mani Ravee)
24. 09:23 PM - Hangers (John Gonzalez)
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| Subject: | Re: Top Cowling Hinge Pins Access |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
The screws are supposed to be long. Long enough that the center
bracket can fall below the level of the pins when you unscrew the
fasterners. The galling just prevents the bracket from unscrewing all
the way and falling in the cowl. I hope thsi explanation is clear
enough.
On 3/23/06, Marcus Cooper <coop85@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> I suspect this will fall under the incredibly stupid question category, but
> here goes. I'm installing the cowling and all is going well but I am
> completely stumped about access to the top hinge pins. I installed the
> center bracket per the plans and have no idea how to remove the pins with it
> in place. Since the plans call for galling the screws, removing the plate
> certainly isn't the solution. Maybe I gave up thinking about it to early,
> but any advice would be deeply appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
> 40286
>
> DEFINITELY Do Not Archive
>
>
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Anyone know the price for the whole shebang?
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Indran
Chelvanayagam
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10
Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" Chelton
SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring harness that
claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, trim, pitot heat etc.
This sounds like a better harness than Van's basic offering.
http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf
Indran Chelvanayagam
40228
Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton SV-10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
It's going to be right around $26,000.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jesse Saint wrote:
> Anyone know the price for the whole shebang?
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
>
>
> I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
> May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can
> check from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC
> office at 352-465-4545.
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Indran
> Chelvanayagam
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:14 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Chelton SV-10
>
>
>
> Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new"
> Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring
> harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes,
> trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than Van's basic
> offering.
>
>
>
> http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf
>
>
>
> Indran Chelvanayagam
>
> 40228
>
> Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton SV-10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Newman" <rnewman@lutron.com>
Tim, I had a long discussion with Josh at Direct 2 and I'm almost
certain he said the price is going to be $26,900.
Bob
>>> Tim@MyRV10.com 3/24/2006 8:44:46 AM >>>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
It's going to be right around $26,000.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jesse Saint wrote:
> Anyone know the price for the whole shebang?
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
>
>
> I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end
of
> May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can
> check from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the
I-TEC
> office at 352-465-4545.
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Indran
> Chelvanayagam
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:14 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Chelton SV-10
>
>
>
> Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new"
> Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring
> harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes,
> trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than Van's
basic
> offering.
>
>
>
> http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf
>
>
>
> Indran Chelvanayagam
>
> 40228
>
> Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?
>
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$26,900
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:13 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10
Anyone know the price for the whole shebang?
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
--
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Indran
Chelvanayagam
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:14 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10
Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new" Chelton
SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring harness that
claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes, trim, pitot heat etc.
This sounds like a better harness than Van's basic offering.
http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf
Indran Chelvanayagam
40228
Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton SV-10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
If he gave you a specific dollar, your number may be better than mine.
What he told me, word for word, was "A little over $26,000". It
would seem to me that $26,900 is more like "A little under $27,000".
But I didn't get a specific dollar amount like you. One thing
that builders will definitely want to put their thought into is
do they want to build a harness or buy? IMHO, I'd rather build
one, except for the screen interconnects...having done just that
in the past I can't see it being good for my personal experience
any other way. But, I'm good with a crimper and soldering iron.
For some builders they may really want/need that prebuilt harness
if they are to be successful. The harnesses aren't hard to make,
just tedious.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bob Newman wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Newman" <rnewman@lutron.com>
>
> Tim, I had a long discussion with Josh at Direct 2 and I'm almost
> certain he said the price is going to be $26,900.
>
> Bob
>
>>>> Tim@MyRV10.com 3/24/2006 8:44:46 AM >>>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> It's going to be right around $26,000.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
>> Anyone know the price for the whole shebang?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>>
>> I-TEC, Inc.
>>
>> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end
> of
>> May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can
>
>> check from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the
> I-TEC
>> office at 352-465-4545.
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Indran
>> Chelvanayagam
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:14 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Chelton SV-10
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new"
>> Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring
>> harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes,
>> trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than Van's
> basic
>> offering.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> Indran Chelvanayagam
>>
>> 40228
>>
>> Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton SV-10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
I agree with Tim; the only challenging thing is the interconnect harness.
The upside is that you get to make it your length for your arrangement of
the screens. The rest is pretty straight forward; but get a dsub crimping
tool from Stein or Affordable Panels. Be advise that the high density dsub
crimper required for interconnect and J1 and J3 plugs is special and has to
be borrowed from an avionics shop or in my case a local A&P college where I
attended.
Also be advised to put in some extra shielded wire to the rear for
changes/other avionics. In my case I lucked out; I put three shielded
triplets to the rear platform and two power wires even though the Crossbow
AHRS required only two shielded pair. With the change to the Pinpoint AHRS I
will not have to run any additional wiring to the rear of the aircraft. One
other thought , if you wire yourself standardize on about three unshielded
Milspec (2,8,14,20) wiring sizes and Milspec shielded triplets (22) or
quadruplets for the digital lines.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> If he gave you a specific dollar, your number may be better than mine.
> What he told me, word for word, was "A little over $26,000". It
> would seem to me that $26,900 is more like "A little under $27,000".
> But I didn't get a specific dollar amount like you. One thing
> that builders will definitely want to put their thought into is
> do they want to build a harness or buy? IMHO, I'd rather build
> one, except for the screen interconnects...having done just that
> in the past I can't see it being good for my personal experience
> any other way. But, I'm good with a crimper and soldering iron.
> For some builders they may really want/need that prebuilt harness
> if they are to be successful. The harnesses aren't hard to make,
> just tedious.
> Tim
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Bob Newman wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Newman" <rnewman@lutron.com>
>>
>> Tim, I had a long discussion with Josh at Direct 2 and I'm almost
>> certain he said the price is going to be $26,900. Bob
>>
>>>>> Tim@MyRV10.com 3/24/2006 8:44:46 AM >>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> It's going to be right around $26,000.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Jesse Saint wrote:
>>> Anyone know the price for the whole shebang?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>>
>>> I-TEC, Inc.
>>>
>>> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>>>
>>> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end
>> of
>>> May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can
>>
>>> check from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the
>> I-TEC
>>> office at 352-465-4545.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Indran
>>> Chelvanayagam
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:14 AM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RV10-List: Chelton SV-10
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone seen the info on Direct to Avionics website about the "new"
>>> Chelton SV-10? It appears to be a dual screen setup, with a wiring
>>> harness that claims to be complete - ie strobes, autopilot servoes,
>>> trim, pitot heat etc. This sounds like a better harness than Van's
>> basic
>>> offering.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.d2av.com/pdfs/SV-10.pdf
>>>
>>> Indran Chelvanayagam
>>>
>>> 40228
>>>
>>> Finish Kit arrived yesterday - the beginning of the end?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Survey Question about hangers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in your
neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.
Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone losses
their medical of passes away due to old age. Then there are planes that
don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.
Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get
them out because it takes too much legal effort.
The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it is,
but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store it in,
makes me really wonder. We still have plenty of land at the airports, but
it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with developers as the
homes close in around the airports. I am speaking of rural areas, not urban
ones.
Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the
hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because
there is nothing left. Great! What were the reasons I decided to build my
plane rather than just plop down 500K?
I would like to know how it is across the country?
Sorry for the RANT!
Thanks,
John Gonzalez
Message 9
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| Subject: | Re: Survey Question about hangers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
I moved to Las Cruces, NM last year. The city has a great airport,
lots room and very friendly people but guess what? No T hangars! In
spite of room to build hangars, the city lacked the underground
infrastructure to build them. You could build a huge hangar and
perhaps lose it at the end of your 20 year lease to the city.
I feel your pain. I quit my job that I loved in Las Cruces and
returned to Florida where I live on an airport community.
Do not archive
On 3/24/06, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in your
> neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.
>
> Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone losses
> their medical of passes away due to old age. Then there are planes that
> don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.
>
> Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get
> them out because it takes too much legal effort.
>
> The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it is,
> but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store it in,
> makes me really wonder. We still have plenty of land at the airports, but
> it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with developers as the
> homes close in around the airports. I am speaking of rural areas, not urban
> ones.
>
> Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the
> hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because
> there is nothing left. Great! What were the reasons I decided to build my
> plane rather than just plop down 500K?
>
> I would like to know how it is across the country?
>
> Sorry for the RANT!
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Gonzalez
>
>
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| Subject: | Survey Question about hangers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
350 per month outside Portland OR.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Survey Question about hangers.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
--> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in your
neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.
Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone losses
their medical of passes away due to old age. Then there are planes that
don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.
Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get
them out because it takes too much legal effort.
The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it is,
but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store it in,
makes me really wonder. We still have plenty of land at the airports, but
it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with developers as the
homes close in around the airports. I am speaking of rural areas, not urban
ones.
Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the
hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because
there is nothing left. Great! What were the reasons I decided to build my
plane rather than just plop down 500K?
I would like to know how it is across the country?
Sorry for the RANT!
Thanks,
John Gonzalez
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| Subject: | Re: Survey Question about hangers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jeff Dalton" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
At KPTK they are building new hangars that will be $350. I'm paying $150
for a "month-to-month" as the tear down the old ones. Mine has been on the
tear-down list for 2 years now ...
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Survey Question about hangers.
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in
> your neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.
>
> Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone
> losses their medical of passes away due to old age. Then there are planes
> that don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.
>
> Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get
> them out because it takes too much legal effort.
>
> The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it
> is, but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store
> it in, makes me really wonder. We still have plenty of land at the
> airports, but it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with
> developers as the homes close in around the airports. I am speaking of
> rural areas, not urban ones.
>
> Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the
> hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because
> there is nothing left. Great! What were the reasons I decided to build
> my plane rather than just plop down 500K?
>
> I would like to know how it is across the country?
>
> Sorry for the RANT!
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Gonzalez
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Survey Question about hangers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jay Rowe" <jfrjr@adelphia.net>
$300/month in Augusta, Maine for a crummy (the tires rest in 3" holes in the
asphalt floors and the pigeons use the planes for target practice) T hanger.
Jay Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Survey Question about hangers.
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in
> your neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.
>
> Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone
> losses their medical of passes away due to old age. Then there are planes
> that don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.
>
> Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get
> them out because it takes too much legal effort.
>
> The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it
> is, but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store
> it in, makes me really wonder. We still have plenty of land at the
> airports, but it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with
> developers as the homes close in around the airports. I am speaking of
> rural areas, not urban ones.
>
> Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the
> hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because
> there is nothing left. Great! What were the reasons I decided to build
> my plane rather than just plop down 500K?
>
> I would like to know how it is across the country?
>
> Sorry for the RANT!
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Gonzalez
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Coldenhoff <rvlist@rv9a.deru.com>
John Gonzalez wrote:
> Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone
> losses their medical of passes away due to old age. Then there are
> planes that don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.
For a small T-hangar at Goodyear (west of Phoenix, AZ), I had to wait
18 months on the waiting list. Until that became available, I was lucky
enough to find a privately owned hangar at Glendale that I rented while
I was in the final assembly stage.
The east side of Phoenix is much worse, with at least a 5 year wait.
When I called the folks at Scottsdale airport, they just kind of laughed
and said at best it is a 20 year wait, but I could sign up my grandkids
if I wanted to and maybe they could get in.
There are very few new hangars being built in spite of the vast expanses
of land at some of the airports here. I think legal issues and dealing
with the cities is probably the biggest obstacle to new development.
There are some airparks around, but the ones closest to Phoenix are as
ridiculous as the rest of the housing market. You can't look at them
unless you are willing to spend at least $500K.
--
Tim Coldenhoff
N194TC - 2.5L Egg Subaru powered RV9a
http://rv9a.deru.com
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| Subject: | Re: Survey Question about hangers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Phil Hall <phil@asibuildings.com>
John,
Here in Prescott, AZ I had to wait for 3 years to get a "T" hangar. The
hangar costs $278 a month which I find quite reasonable. I got teased
quite a bit for not having a hangar as I sell hangars for living.
Phil
40122, working on interior
At 08:12 AM 3/24/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
>Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in your
>neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.
>
>Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone losses
>their medical of passes away due to old age. Then there are planes that
>don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.
>
>Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get
>them out because it takes too much legal effort.
>
>The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it is,
>but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store it in,
>makes me really wonder. We still have plenty of land at the airports, but
>it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with developers as the
>homes close in around the airports. I am speaking of rural areas, not urban
>ones.
>
>Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the
>hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because
>there is nothing left. Great! What were the reasons I decided to build my
>plane rather than just plop down 500K?
>
>I would like to know how it is across the country?
>
>Sorry for the RANT!
>
>Thanks,
>
>John Gonzalez
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Survey Question about hangers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
John,
Here in the Dayton, Ohio area hangar space is also at a premium. I'm on
a list at two local airports with very little hope of getting one anytime
soon. If you can get one however, the prices are "reasonable". MGY hangars
go for $175.00/month and I19 hangars are in a range that tops out around
$250.00/month as I recall. All are fully enclosed with concrete floors and
electric power. I've investigated building some but haven't found any real
support from the city or county that owns the land which, I suspect, is why
no new hangars are going up. I could not find a way to make building a row
of hangars to rent that made any sense financially.
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Survey Question about hangers. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
Here in Mayberry we have a different problem.
I have been trying to get some hangars built for private ownership. The
city is willing to lease the land for peanuts, all of the current hangars
are full, the waiting list is long... The problem is we are having a hard
time finding people to commit to purchasing a unit ($35,000 each for an
insulated 35'x40' rectangle with electric bifold and full concrete). The
reason for the lack of interest is that people can't get their head wrapped
around paying $200/mo. for a hangar when the current T hangars that are
about to fall over are only costing $55/mo. The city won't raise the price
of the T hangars because they are so old.
So what you guys should do is pull up stakes and move to Boone, Iowa.
You can afford a hangar here.
There is a builders group here housing at least half a dozen RV projects
with cheap project space rent (two of them RV-10's & three more -10s within
40 miles). ( $90/mo. http://wcaircraft.com/pages/16/index.htm )
We have an RV Fly In every spring.
We are midway to everywhere.
Cost of living and crime rate is the lowest you will find anywhere.
Hey there's even a local RV tool dealer.
So how about it, lets start the first RV-10 only airpark :)
-Do Not Archive-
Mike
Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
2225 First St.
Boone, Iowa 50036
515-432-6794
mike@cleavelandtool.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Rowe
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Survey Question about hangers.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jay Rowe" <jfrjr@adelphia.net>
$300/month in Augusta, Maine for a crummy (the tires rest in 3" holes in the
asphalt floors and the pigeons use the planes for target practice) T hanger.
Jay Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Survey Question about hangers.
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in
> your neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.
>
> Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone
> losses their medical of passes away due to old age. Then there are planes
> that don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.
>
> Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get
> them out because it takes too much legal effort.
>
> The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it
> is, but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store
> it in, makes me really wonder. We still have plenty of land at the
> airports, but it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with
> developers as the homes close in around the airports. I am speaking of
> rural areas, not urban ones.
>
> Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the
> hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because
> there is nothing left. Great! What were the reasons I decided to build
> my plane rather than just plop down 500K?
>
> I would like to know how it is across the country?
>
> Sorry for the RANT!
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Gonzalez
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
> --
>
>
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What are you folks using for a tow bar? I checked Van's and they don't show
one. Go figure.
Gary
40274
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| Subject: | Re: Survey Question about hangers. |
Fergus Falls Mn put together the following, which got 6 new hangers built:
No land lease for 5 years, 1/2 the state average for the next 5
4%, 12 year loan, I think it's from some block grant money.
I built a 50 X 60, room for two planes and a 18X50 sectioned off for
building a "10"
Tee hangers were full however and going for $100 - $125
Boone is close enough to fly my PA-22 and check progress on all those
RV-10's I'd like to get the contact for each to try to do that one
saturday this spring.
#40536 Horiz Stabilizer
do not archive
Mike Lauritsen - Work wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
>
>Here in Mayberry we have a different problem.
>
>I have been trying to get some hangars built for private ownership. The
>city is willing to lease the land for peanuts, all of the current hangars
>are full, the waiting list is long... The problem is we are having a hard
>time finding people to commit to purchasing a unit ($35,000 each for an
>insulated 35'x40' rectangle with electric bifold and full concrete). The
>reason for the lack of interest is that people can't get their head wrapped
>around paying $200/mo. for a hangar when the current T hangars that are
>about to fall over are only costing $55/mo. The city won't raise the price
>of the T hangars because they are so old.
>
>So what you guys should do is pull up stakes and move to Boone, Iowa.
>You can afford a hangar here.
>There is a builders group here housing at least half a dozen RV projects
>with cheap project space rent (two of them RV-10's & three more -10s within
>40 miles). ( $90/mo. http://wcaircraft.com/pages/16/index.htm )
>We have an RV Fly In every spring.
>We are midway to everywhere.
>Cost of living and crime rate is the lowest you will find anywhere.
>Hey there's even a local RV tool dealer.
>So how about it, lets start the first RV-10 only airpark :)
>
>-Do Not Archive-
>
>Mike
>
>
>Mike Lauritsen
>Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
>2225 First St.
>Boone, Iowa 50036
>515-432-6794
>mike@cleavelandtool.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Rowe
>Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:16 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Survey Question about hangers.
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jay Rowe" <jfrjr@adelphia.net>
>
>$300/month in Augusta, Maine for a crummy (the tires rest in 3" holes in the
>
>asphalt floors and the pigeons use the planes for target practice) T hanger.
>
>Jay Rowe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:12 AM
>Subject: RV10-List: Survey Question about hangers.
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>>Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in
>>your neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.
>>
>>Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone
>>losses their medical of passes away due to old age. Then there are planes
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>that don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.
>>
>>Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get
>>them out because it takes too much legal effort.
>>
>>The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it
>>is, but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store
>>it in, makes me really wonder. We still have plenty of land at the
>>airports, but it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with
>>developers as the homes close in around the airports. I am speaking of
>>rural areas, not urban ones.
>>
>>Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because
>>there is nothing left. Great! What were the reasons I decided to build
>>my plane rather than just plop down 500K?
>>
>>I would like to know how it is across the country?
>>
>>Sorry for the RANT!
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>John Gonzalez
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I have the same question as I will be needing one soon. Aircraft Spruce has
several, the most likely candidate seems to be the Bogerts RVA style
($78.75) while looks like what Tim Olson has in a few pictures. The "Deluxe
Cessna Towbar" for $45.95 may also be a player but I can't confirm it will
fit, although it is much cheaper. Looking for other responses as well.
Marcus
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Specketer
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Tow Bar
What are you folks using for a tow bar? I checked Van's and they don't show
one. Go figure.
Gary
40274
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
I have ordered one from http://www.brackettaircraft.com/. My neighbor
has one that I tried on the 10. I plan to pull my plane with a golf
car so I needed a ring for the hitch. They were easy to work with and
picked an adopter to fit the 10. Email meif you need additional info
in couple of weeks and I will be able to tell you more about it.
Do not archive
On 3/24/06, Marcus Cooper <coop85@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> I have the same question as I will be needing one soon. Aircraft Spruce has
> several, the most likely candidate seems to be the Bogerts RVA style
> ($78.75) while looks like what Tim Olson has in a few pictures. The "Deluxe
> Cessna Towbar" for $45.95 may also be a player but I can't confirm it will
> fit, although it is much cheaper. Looking for other responses as well.
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary Specketer
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:34 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Tow Bar
>
>
> What are you folks using for a tow bar? I checked Van's and they don't show
> one. Go figure.
>
>
> Gary
>
>
> 40274
>
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| Subject: | Re: Survey Question about hangers. |
John,
At my port...N57 it's $280...open T hangars...waiting list...private strip
so getting on the list does not guarantee you'll ever get a spot...airport
nearby...condo hangars...began at $40k now above $80k and you lease the ground
under the hangar, about what I pay for my hangar...but they are nice private
hangar...N99...so the down stroke is heavy but the payback has beat inflation
my miles...up in NJ, MA and NY it's very pricey and not many spots.
P
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Mike Lauritsen - Work wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" <mike@cleavelandtool.com>
>
>Here in Mayberry we have a different problem.
>
>I have been trying to get some hangars built for private ownership. The
>city is willing to lease the land for peanuts, all of the current hangars
>are full, the waiting list is long... The problem is we are having a hard
>time finding people to commit to purchasing a unit ($35,000 each for an
>insulated 35'x40' rectangle with electric bifold and full concrete). The
>reason for the lack of interest is that people can't get their head wrapped
>around paying $200/mo. for a hangar when the current T hangars that are
>about to fall over are only costing $55/mo. The city won't raise the price
>of the T hangars because they are so old.
>
They need to unwrap thier head. Their $200/month is an investment.
Depending on the lease terms, when they don't want to fly anymore, they
can sell the hangar for what they have in it and take over payments. If
you build it, they will come. That bargain $55/month hangar won't look
so cheap when a storm blows through and mashes their pride and joy to
the ground. Of course, the money they save on hangar rent will go
towards hull insurance ..... if they want to go that route.
If you can't seem to get your (not mike here) airport owners to build
hangars, and they balk at a long term lease for land to permit you to
build your own 'condo' hangar, present your case to the local FSDO and
complain that you're being discriminated against. You have to be 'in
their face' and press your case diligently. If the airport has received
federal (or sometimes state) funds, you may get some relief. Bear in
mind that the FSDO folks really don't want to do ANYTHING so you have to
be persistent, and maybe even move your complaint up the line.
Linn
>-Do Not Archive-
>
>Mike
>
>
>Mike Lauritsen
>Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
>2225 First St.
>Boone, Iowa 50036
>515-432-6794
>mike@cleavelandtool.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Rowe
>Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:16 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Survey Question about hangers.
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jay Rowe" <jfrjr@adelphia.net>
>
>$300/month in Augusta, Maine for a crummy (the tires rest in 3" holes in the
>
>asphalt floors and the pigeons use the planes for target practice) T hanger.
>
>Jay Rowe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:12 AM
>Subject: RV10-List: Survey Question about hangers.
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>>Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in
>>your neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.
>>
>>Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone
>>losses their medical of passes away due to old age. Then there are planes
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>that don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.
>>
>>Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get
>>them out because it takes too much legal effort.
>>
>>The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it
>>is, but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store
>>it in, makes me really wonder. We still have plenty of land at the
>>airports, but it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with
>>developers as the homes close in around the airports. I am speaking of
>>rural areas, not urban ones.
>>
>>Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because
>>there is nothing left. Great! What were the reasons I decided to build
>>my plane rather than just plop down 500K?
>>
>>I would like to know how it is across the country?
>>
>>Sorry for the RANT!
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>John Gonzalez
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
What do you guys think about leasing the land and building your own? If that
is allowed and available in the place you are at. The mortgage payment on a
hangar like that will be reasonable. Plus you can heat and insulate it.
Plasma TV with Wifi even!
Mani
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Survey Question about hangers.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Since this list represents a wide swoth of folks across the country, in your
neck of the woods, how difficult is it to get a hanger.
Here in southern California, it seems nearly impossible until someone losses
their medical of passes away due to old age. Then there are planes that
don't ever leave the hanger, tinkering projects.
Then there are folks storing cars in the hangers and the county can't get
them out because it takes too much legal effort.
The Rose Parade may make people think what a wonderful place to live it is,
but a person with a new airplane, fresh paint and no garage to store it in,
makes me really wonder. We still have plenty of land at the airports, but
it seems the county doesn't want a larger conflict with developers as the
homes close in around the airports. I am speaking of rural areas, not urban
ones.
Lastly, there is the capitalist marketplace, a wealthy person buys all the
hangers up and then rents or leases them at 2 to 3 times the rate because
there is nothing left. Great! What were the reasons I decided to build my
plane rather than just plop down 500K?
I would like to know how it is across the country?
Sorry for the RANT!
Thanks,
John Gonzalez
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Thanks to all who responded. It seems there is a definte shortage of
hangers in some areas.
John Gonzalez
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