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1. 05:04 AM - Re: Door Handles (was Tow Bar) (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 08:17 AM - Alternate engine options, Revisited (John Gonzalez)
3. 08:19 AM - Re: Door Handles (was Tow Bar) (John Gonzalez)
4. 09:23 AM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New (Larry Rosen)
5. 10:19 AM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New (Deems Davis)
6. 10:38 AM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New (Larry Rosen)
7. 11:13 AM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New (RobHickman@aol.com)
8. 11:13 AM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New (RobHickman@aol.com)
9. 11:36 AM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New (Chris , Susie Darcy)
10. 12:40 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New (Larry Rosen)
11. 01:23 PM - fuel system (David McNeill)
12. 02:45 PM - Nav antenna chice and placement (Wayne Edgerton)
13. 02:50 PM - Re: Chelton SV-10 (Mani Ravee)
14. 03:09 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New -WOW! (Deems Davis)
15. 03:42 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New (Tim Olson)
16. 03:43 PM - Re: Nav antenna chice and placement (Tim Olson)
17. 06:24 PM - Re: Nav antenna choice and placement (Dan Masys)
18. 06:34 PM - Re: Nav antenna choice and placement (Rick)
19. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Nav antenna choice and placement (Dan Masys)
20. 07:12 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
21. 07:12 PM - Re: Nav antenna chice and placement (John W. Cox)
22. 07:36 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New -WOW! (Richard Sipp)
23. 07:36 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun - Whats New (Jeff Dalton)
24. 08:07 PM - Builder Information (John Jessen)
25. 09:20 PM - AFS EFIS Panel (RobHickman@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Door Handles (was Tow Bar) |
No, I haven't received the handles yet. They are bringing them to me at Sun-N-Fun.
I think the delay has been getting the locks ready.
I've talked to them on the phone a couple of times and they seem like pretty nice
people.I'm assuming that they will have their tow bar
there also, so I'll let the list know about it. You can see both of these on there web site at www.cossaviation.com I'm not sure if I remember
what they told me for sure but I thought they said the bar was about $100.
I'll let you know when I get back from Sun-N-Fun what I've found out.
Wayne Edgerton # 40336
do not archive
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| Subject: | Alternate engine options, Revisited |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
For what it is worth, if only to get a little BUZZ going, I would like to
share something with you all.
I have a patient, Eric Wolf (Wolf Aerospace), who is working on something
very interesting, but I am sure, so are many others or claim to be.
Wolf seems to know his stuff and he just took delivery of a new CNC machine
for his company which cuts all metals and cost his 500K
If only there wasn't the wait.
As I said, for what it is worth! BUZZZZZZZZ!
John G. 409
>From E-mails
Feel free to talk about it as much as you want with your pilot friends. Some
of the important facts about my engine are as follows.
1. Billet crankshaft
2. Billet camshafts (hollow)
3. All aluminum cylinder head and cases. We are using a special aluminum
that an engineer friend said would be the best. It's a custom blend that has
high heat resilience. Not that my engine is going to get too hot, but incase
of a coolant leak, I intend to be able to use the engine at 50% power to get
to a safe landing place.
4. Redundant oil pumps
5. Dry sump oil system
6. Full FADEC
7. Overhead cams
8. Redundant water pumps
There is a lot more info, but you get the idea. Also, we have a 4,6 and 8
cylinder. All engines will have turbo as an option. The displacement of the
engines runs from 245 cubic inches to over 700 cubic inches. The power
levels run from 150 hp to over 800 hp. The weight of the units will be very
close to existing engines in all sizes. All engines will be much more fuel
efficient and produce much more HP per cubic inch than the status quo.
I have a program that checks if something is strong enough for the load that
it is going to see. I have made everything 5 times stronger. I have A LOT of
experience with CAD and engineering aircraft parts. I also have made tons of
tooling and machined all kinds of different metals. I have also put lots of
engines together. I am taking the approach that will make the engine run the
first time. I will then put all the parts on a diet. My engine will make way
more power, so a few pounds will not matter at first. My 8 cylinder will be
about 50 Lbs heavier than the 6 cylinder it will replace. That is with
water,
radiator, complete engine. I have a full working model of all the parts
that make the engine. The program has a motion simulator and a stress
analysis program that will show weak spots.
It is true that once we have all the parts to assemble the engine, there
will be some changes required once we have it running. We have made tooling
that is more complicated than an
engine so we are used to this kind of work. We work with close tolerances
every day. I honestly think making engines will be a step back in terms of
difficulty and complexity compared to what we do now. I have been designing
it now for 3 years in my spare time. I have all the equipment now so that is
out of the way. That is way more than most people who are making an engine
have done. One thing that I have that they do not is a complete
manufacturing facility to make parts as I need them. I do not need to go
outside to get anything. Valves, valve springs, pistons, rings, seals,
bolts, etc, are readily available from a catalog. I will make heads, case
halves, intake manifold, oil pan, valve covers, etc from aluminum castings
here in my shop. And crank, cam, and other steel parts on my CNC's from
billet stock. When I look at projects I have done before that were large and
complex, this is not that bad. I think if money were no problem and I could
put my whole shop to work on it, I could do it in 6 months at a cost of
about 500K.
When I sell my plane I will have 100K. I would say that 400K is
for labor and 100K for material and tooling, mostly tooling. I bought a
lottery ticket today, so cross your fingers. I bought one last week, but
didn'tt even get one number!! One good thing is that when I do get this
done
I will need someone to put some hours on the engine. I will buy a Cirrus and
swap engines. So you are welcome to fly it as much as you want. All I would
ask is that the person flying make notes of how it performs. I would really
check it out a lot before I would let anyone fly it though. I would fly it
with a parachute for the first few flights even though it has one on the
plane. Always have a backup plan! I would not want anyone to get hurt from
something I made. This engine will be built like a Swiss watch and be better
than anything out there. I will sell them at the same price as what it will
replace. The two big engine manufacturers Will probably down talk my engine,
but it will be an awesome engine.
Eric Wolf
Enthusiastic isn't it.
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| Subject: | Re: Door Handles (was Tow Bar) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Coss aviation may also be the company to produce the firewall forward kit,
cowl and mount should the Innodn turbine ever get off the ground. Might be a
topic to discuss at Sun'n Fun if you see them. Robin, I believe is the
owner.
For what it is worth.
John G.
>From: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Handles (was Tow Bar)
>Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 06:58:32 -0600
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>No, I haven't received the handles yet. They are bringing them to me at
>Sun-N-Fun. I think the delay has been getting the locks ready.
>I've talked to them on the phone a couple of times and they seem like
>pretty nice people.I'm assuming that they will have their tow bar
>there also, so I'll let the list know about it. You can see both of these
>on there web site at www.cossaviation.com I'm not sure if I remember
>what they told me for sure but I thought they said the bar was about $100.
>
>I'll let you know when I get back from Sun-N-Fun what I've found out.
>
>Wayne Edgerton # 40336
>
>do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Getting ready for Sun-N-Fun, so whats new out there that we should be
looking for at Sun-N-Fun this year
Tim RV-10 so we can all be jealous
Advanced Flight Systems new AF-3400 & 3500 (engine monitor and EFIS)
Eggenfellner's Subie conversion
Cross Aviation door handles
Chelton's Pinpoint GADAHRS
GRT weather & terrain
What else?
Larry
John Gonzalez wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
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> Coss aviation may also be the company to produce the firewall forward
> kit, cowl and mount should the Innodn turbine ever get off the ground.
> Might be a topic to discuss at Sun'n Fun if you see them. Robin, I
> believe is the owner.
>
> For what it is worth.
>
> John G.
>
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>> From: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Handles (was Tow Bar)
>> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 06:58:32 -0600
>>
>> No, I haven't received the handles yet. They are bringing them to me
>> at Sun-N-Fun. I think the delay has been getting the locks ready.
>> I've talked to them on the phone a couple of times and they seem like
>> pretty nice people.I'm assuming that they will have their tow bar
>> there also, so I'll let the list know about it. You can see both of
>> these on there web site at www.cossaviation.com I'm not sure if I
>> remember
>> what they told me for sure but I thought they said the bar was about
>> $100.
>>
>> I'll let you know when I get back from Sun-N-Fun what I've found out.
>>
>> Wayne Edgerton # 40336
>>
>> do not archive
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Larry, where did you hear about an AFS EFIS??
Deems
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Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
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> Getting ready for Sun-N-Fun, so whats new out there that we should be
> looking for at Sun-N-Fun this year
>
> Tim RV-10 so we can all be jealous
> Advanced Flight Systems new AF-3400 & 3500 (engine monitor and EFIS)
> Eggenfellner's Subie conversion
> Cross Aviation door handles
> Chelton's Pinpoint GADAHRS
> GRT weather & terrain
>
> What else?
>
> Larry
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> John Gonzalez wrote:
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>
>> Coss aviation may also be the company to produce the firewall forward
>> kit, cowl and mount should the Innodn turbine ever get off the
>> ground. Might be a topic to discuss at Sun'n Fun if you see them.
>> Robin, I believe is the owner.
>>
>> For what it is worth.
>>
>> John G.
>>
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>>> From: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Handles (was Tow Bar)
>>> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 06:58:32 -0600
>>>
>>> No, I haven't received the handles yet. They are bringing them to me
>>> at Sun-N-Fun. I think the delay has been getting the locks ready.
>>> I've talked to them on the phone a couple of times and they seem
>>> like pretty nice people.I'm assuming that they will have their tow bar
>>> there also, so I'll let the list know about it. You can see both of
>>> these on there web site at www.cossaviation.com I'm not sure if I
>>> remember
>>> what they told me for sure but I thought they said the bar was about
>>> $100.
>>>
>>> I'll let you know when I get back from Sun-N-Fun what I've found out.
>>>
>>> Wayne Edgerton # 40336
>>>
>>> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New |
Attached is the flyer
I hope Rob does not mind.
Both the AF-3400 and AF-3500 will feed data to the Chelton. Both systems
can be purchased as:
1. Engine Monitor
2. EFIS
3. EFIS + Engine Monitor
If you get the combo unit it will also be a backup EFIS/AHRS for the
Chelton. Our AHRS is based on certified components and software.
I have no relation with AFS, nor have I tried theri product.
Larry
Deems Davis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
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> Larry, where did you hear about an AFS EFIS??
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> Deems
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> Don Not Archive
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> Larry Rosen wrote:
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> Getting ready for Sun-N-Fun, so whats new out there that we should be
>> looking for at Sun-N-Fun this year
>>
>> Tim RV-10 so we can all be jealous
>> Advanced Flight Systems new AF-3400 & 3500 (engine monitor and EFIS)
>> Eggenfellner's Subie conversion
>> Cross Aviation door handles
>> Chelton's Pinpoint GADAHRS
>> GRT weather & terrain
>>
>> What else?
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> John Gonzalez wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
>>> <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>>>
>>> Coss aviation may also be the company to produce the firewall
>>> forward kit, cowl and mount should the Innodn turbine ever get off
>>> the ground. Might be a topic to discuss at Sun'n Fun if you see
>>> them. Robin, I believe is the owner.
>>>
>>> For what it is worth.
>>>
>>> John G.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Handles (was Tow Bar)
>>>> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 06:58:32 -0600
>>>>
>>>> No, I haven't received the handles yet. They are bringing them to
>>>> me at Sun-N-Fun. I think the delay has been getting the locks ready.
>>>> I've talked to them on the phone a couple of times and they seem
>>>> like pretty nice people.I'm assuming that they will have their tow bar
>>>> there also, so I'll let the list know about it. You can see both of
>>>> these on there web site at www.cossaviation.com I'm not sure if I
>>>> remember
>>>> what they told me for sure but I thought they said the bar was
>>>> about $100.
>>>>
>>>> I'll let you know when I get back from Sun-N-Fun what I've found out.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne Edgerton # 40336
>>>>
>>>> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New |
Here is a picture #1 of our RV-10 Panel, it is in the box and will be
headed for Sun-n-Fun in the morning.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
RV-10 #40204 RV-4 N401RH
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New |
Here is picture #2 of our RV-10 Panel
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
RV-10 #40204 RV-4 N401RH
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New |
Now that is a nice panel ....clean fairly simple and I would hope heaps cheaper
than the chelton!!
Chris do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: RobHickman@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New
Here is a picture #1 of our RV-10 Panel, it is in the box and will be headed
for Sun-n-Fun in the morning.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
RV-10 #40204 RV-4 N401RH
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
And nice crisp graphics, unlike GRT.
Chris , Susie Darcy wrote:
> Now that is a nice panel ....clean fairly simple and I would hope
> heaps cheaper than the chelton!!
>
> Chris do not archive
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> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* RobHickman@aol.com <mailto:RobHickman@aol.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2006 5:12 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New
>
> Here is a picture #1 of our RV-10 Panel, it is in the box and
> will be headed for Sun-n-Fun in the morning.
>
> Rob Hickman
> Advanced Flight Systems
> RV-10 #40204 RV-4 N401RH
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Using the Vans supplied Andair valve. The elbow for the left tank was
shortened .25" on the pipe thread side and oriented forward; also bulkhead
fittings were installed at tunnel entrance. There is adequate clearance for
the rear heat tubing and the rudder cables. wiring to be routed along the
bottom of the tunnel. selected cables will be wrapped with nylon spiral wrap
to avoid any potential chaffing.
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| Subject: | Nav antenna chice and placement |
I see from various pictures on the web that several of you RV10's flying have put,
what I think is, the nav antenna underneath
the fuselage in the rear. Is this also your ILS glideslope antenna and if so have
you had any difficulty with reception
while shooting an ILS? Normally they have them< I've been told, on the top of the
VS because of better reception of the glideslope.
Wayne Edgerton # 40336
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mani Ravee" <maniravee@sbcglobal.net>
Well said, Tim. For people like me, and I am sure there are many, who have
severe constraints with regards to time, this is a wonderful thing. I do not
have the time to build a harness of this magnitude, and in fact was hoping
by the time I get to that point there would be offerings such as this. And,
in aviation dollar value, for an almost complete harness such as this, it is
quite reasonably priced. Maybe there will be competition which will even
drive the price down or offer better value/options/customization in the
future. Still, we need specs and details.
Mani Ravee
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton SV-10
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
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> I had asked Josh from direct2 for some details about the wiring harness
> and this was his reply:
>
> "I can't get into a lot of detail but Pitot heat, Landing lights (1 each
> wing), Nav/Strobe and tail lights, elevator / aileron trim to servos and
> sticks, Control wheel steering, AP disconnect, TruTrack AP head and roll
> / pitch servos, Remote Mag, Pinpoint GADAHRS, PS engineering audio,
> SL-30 Nav/Comm, Power/Ground for Strobe powerpack, door ajar
> sensors/annunciator pilot/copilot sides, all Chelton EFIS harnesses and
> interconnect, Datalink weather, OAT Probe, etc...
>
> To give you an idea, if you wanted just the Chelton EFIS harnesses they
> run $2,210.00. "
>
> So is this $2,210.00 item the interconnect cable you are speaking of?
> Is it really $2k worth of wire and connectors?
That's the whole ball of wax. Man, I didn't expect it to be that
complete. The interconnects I was referring to were just the
62 pin cables that connect each screen to the next. Those would
be the toughest to make. Actually though, if you can get a harness
that is honestly as complete as listed above, it would easily be
worth $2,210. I can tell you that the wiring phase took me easily
a couple hundred hours. This harness could potentially save a lot of
time. I myself really like to "do-it-yourself" as often as I reasonably
can, and allow room for some customization, so I'm not a great
target for the harness. I am really surprised it's that complete
though...that's pretty cool and takes a lot of planning.
>
> Direct 2 may have created more problems for themselves by trying to put
> together a harness that will make us happy. We are all building
> experimental aircraft, and we all make individual choices to build a
> plane that meets our individual mission. They may have better off
> having their harness supplement Vans wiring harness. Then we can just
> complain how Vans thinks the RV-10 is a VFR aircraft.
>
Actually, I think the intention was to make a complete supplement to
the Van's harness. As you can tell though, I agree with your viewpoint
on customization.
> I wish Direct 2 would put some meat into their website. It is just a
> bunch of marketing talk. Give us some technical specs, wiring diagrams,
> downloadable installation and operating guides. Hay even something
> simple dimensions of the unit and a full scale color image of their
> display. (Yes I know this info is available on Tim's site or I could
> scale one of their images)
> I am even confused as to what comes with the SV-sport or the SV-10. Do
> I still get a crossbow (not) with the Sport and a Pinpoint with the
> SV-10. The SV-10 you get a 16 or 12 channel gps (depending on where you
> look on the pdf) but the Sport has a WAAS enabled GPS (both non
> certified). The sport comes with an OAT probe, no mention in the SV-10
> pdf. Then the product page lists a bunch of options for the sport like
> cable assembly, fuel flow transducer... then says $25,900.00 complete.
> Complete with what? I guess it is complete with what they give you.
> Maybe it is like the car adds, nicely equipped for $25,900.
>
All crossbows (425EX) are being recalled and replaced with pinpoints,
so you would not get a crossbow. I am sure there will be only one
AHRS going forward, and it will be the same for the "SV-Sport" and
"SV-10". The whole "SV-10" idea is probably just concocted to
address the huge forming market of RV-10's....have you recognized
lately how many vendors realize the market potential? I don't
knwo about the GPS channels, but part of the confusion may come from
the promo deal going on....the Free Freeflight GPS option would give it
one of the 2 legal TSO's WAAS GPS receivers integrated into the system,
giving it full power, legally. You should expect the SV-10 package
to be as complete as the sport. Remember, the difference is the
addition of the harness, and a different screen logo...not much more.
The OAT probe will probably come with them all. FWIW, mine came with
the OAT, and Fuel Flow transducer at the time I bought it....nearly
a year ago. Also, I got a somewhat cheesier OAT probe with my
GRT EIS system bought at the same time. Depending on what you do
for Engine Instruments, it'll probably come with OAT too. You'll
likely end up with extra, not short.
> I don't mean to be flaming direct 2. I am sure they support the
> experimental builders well (just look what they are doing with the AHRS)
> and their product blows away anything I could afford in a certified
> aircraft. I am just frustrated by trying to make a HUGE investment in my
> airplane's panel without enough information.
> Sorry for the rant.
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I wouldn't worry about ranting. The hardest part is getting the info.
That's where the group can make up for the manufacturer's shortcomings.
There's not a lot of good info out there from most of them. And from
what I've seen, pretty much every manufacturer exhibits a few common
things..... A) Vaporware, B) Poor manuals or pre-sales literature,
C) Poor email response. The best advice I have is, try to deal with
getting your questions answered by vendors by using the phone. Then,
when you get an answer, share it with the rest of the group so it
it's as painful. Last year, you'll remember that I posted lots of
stuff on the system. Not everything ended up exactly as originally
though, but the whole reason I posted it was to clarify those questions
that were nagging people....and I worked hard to get the right
answers. It's someone elses turn, now that I have it all installed
and flying. I'll be happy to help guide people through the install
portion though.
Good luck,
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New -WOW! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Rob, This is *SWEET*!
I particularly like the dual presentation of the engine monitor and the
EFIS on the same screen.
When will those of us not going to S&F get details,specs and pricing?
I'm assuming that this is the initial software version and that future
releases will expand capabilities. Is there an ILS (GS/LOC/CDI)
capability now /future? Will the hardware have the processor capacity
for Syn Vis?
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You will probably start hearing some news on a new canopy related
mod/product. I can't give more info because I don't know how
public it is yet, but it will be at the show from what I hear.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
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> Getting ready for Sun-N-Fun, so whats new out there that we should be
> looking for at Sun-N-Fun this year
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> Tim RV-10 so we can all be jealous
> Advanced Flight Systems new AF-3400 & 3500 (engine monitor and EFIS)
> Eggenfellner's Subie conversion
> Cross Aviation door handles
> Chelton's Pinpoint GADAHRS
> GRT weather & terrain
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> What else?
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> Larry
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> John Gonzalez wrote:
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
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>> Coss aviation may also be the company to produce the firewall forward
>> kit, cowl and mount should the Innodn turbine ever get off the ground.
>> Might be a topic to discuss at Sun'n Fun if you see them. Robin, I
>> believe is the owner.
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>> For what it is worth.
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>> John G.
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>>> From: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Handles (was Tow Bar)
>>> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 06:58:32 -0600
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>>> No, I haven't received the handles yet. They are bringing them to me
>>> at Sun-N-Fun. I think the delay has been getting the locks ready.
>>> I've talked to them on the phone a couple of times and they seem like
>>> pretty nice people.I'm assuming that they will have their tow bar
>>> there also, so I'll let the list know about it. You can see both of
>>> these on there web site at www.cossaviation.com I'm not sure if I
>>> remember
>>> what they told me for sure but I thought they said the bar was about
>>> $100.
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>>> I'll let you know when I get back from Sun-N-Fun what I've found out.
>>>
>>> Wayne Edgerton # 40336
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna chice and placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yes, it's my VOR/LOC/GS antenna. Works great in all aspects. I
thought the bottom side location would be better than the top
due to a better view of the station. Not sure how true that
is. I thought they were put on top to prevent eye poking.
Not sure though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> I see from various pictures on the web that several of you RV10's flying
> have put, what I think is, the nav antenna underneath
> the fuselage in the rear. Is this also your ILS glideslope antenna and
> if so have you had any difficulty with reception
> while shooting an ILS? Normally they have them< I've been told, on the
> top of the VS because of better reception of the glideslope.
>
> Wayne Edgerton # 40336
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna choice and placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
My -7A has the Bob Archer Nav antenna inside the wingtip connected to an SL30.
Reception for both VOR and ILS is superb with that combination. Doing the same
for the -10.
-Dan Masys
#40448
> From: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter@grandecom.net>
> Date: 2006/03/26 Sun PM 05:42:46 EST
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Nav antenna chice and placement
>
> I see from various pictures on the web that several of you RV10's flying have
put, what I think is, the nav antenna underneath
> the fuselage in the rear. Is this also your ILS glideslope antenna and if so
have you had any difficulty with reception
> while shooting an ILS? Normally they have them< I've been told, on the top of
the VS because of better reception of the glideslope.
>
> Wayne Edgerton # 40336
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna choice and placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Dan,
I know the SL-30 has a built in Diplexer so for my better understanding you only
need the one Archer Antenna hooked to the SL-30 for all Nav functions? No need
for a Nav 2 antenna, is my assumption correct?
Rick S.
40185
Fuse/Finish
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| Subject: | Re: Nav antenna choice and placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
Correct. Just one coax lead from the antenna, terminating in a BNC at the back
of the SL30 tray. The unit does the rest; as simple and bulletproof as it can
be.
-Dan Masys
> From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
> Date: 2006/03/26 Sun PM 09:33:56 EST
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nav antenna choice and placement
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
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> Dan,
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> I know the SL-30 has a built in Diplexer so for my better understanding you only
need the one Archer Antenna hooked to the SL-30 for all Nav functions? No
need for a Nav 2 antenna, is my assumption correct?
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> Rick S.
> 40185
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New |
Where did you get the hardware for the doors...LOL...
Do not archive...
Patrick
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| Subject: | Nav antenna chice and placement |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Most antenna depend on an effective ground plane. There are both
horizontal and vertical polarization factors. On our air carrier fleet,
the vast majority are on the bottom where the signal propagates towards
the transmitter/receiver station. Exceptions are satellite based on the
top and Elt which is on the top of the empennage, thoughts are that the
aircraft will be upright on transmission. A few such as glide slope and
radar are in the nose.
John - $00.02
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nav antenna chice and placement
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yes, it's my VOR/LOC/GS antenna. Works great in all aspects. I
thought the bottom side location would be better than the top
due to a better view of the station. Not sure how true that
is. I thought they were put on top to prevent eye poking.
Not sure though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> I see from various pictures on the web that several of you RV10's
flying
> have put, what I think is, the nav antenna underneath
> the fuselage in the rear. Is this also your ILS glideslope antenna and
> if so have you had any difficulty with reception
> while shooting an ILS? Normally they have them< I've been told, on the
> top of the VS because of better reception of the glideslope.
>
> Wayne Edgerton # 40336
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New -WOW! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Something else to check; Precision's new Eagle EMS (Electronic Engine
Management System). It combines electronic ignition and automotive style
electronically modulated pulse width fuel injection.
http://www.precisionairmotive.com/
No company relationship, just have been following this for a while.
Dick Sipp
40065
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New |
Rob,
Who made your panel? I assume it's fiberglass
----- Original Message -----
From: RobHickman@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List:Sun-n-Fun - Whats New
Here is picture #2 of our RV-10 Panel
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
RV-10 #40204 RV-4 N401RH
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| Subject: | Builder Information |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I'm getting people's builder information at a steady clip. I'm currently
redesigning how the information will be displayed and how I'm going to
easily update it. So, keep the info coming and I should have the table
completed by the end of the week, and, hopefully, a permanent place for its
hosting.
John Jessen
~328 (Tailcone)
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Here are the answers to most of the questions:
1. The RV-10 Panel is from Lancair
2. The panel has the following in it
Pilot Side
AF-3500EF EFIS
TruTrak Digitflight II VSG
AFS AOA PRO
Pacific Coast Avionics Switches
CoPilot Side
AF-3400EE EFIS + Engine Monitor
CO Gardian CO Detector
AFS AOA Sport
Mountain High 4 Place Digital Oxygen System
Pegasus Compass
Artex ME406 ELT
Center
Garmin 396
Weather
TIS Traffic from GTX330
Music
PS Engineering Audio Panel
Garmin GNS 430
Garmin GTX330 Transponder
3. AF-3400 & AF-3500
Pricing
We will have final pricing before Sun-n-Fun. It will be between Dynon and
GRT
CDI
The System will have CDI and Glide Slope from a Garmin SL-30. We are
working on and will have an ARINK-429 interface for the other Nav radios very
soon.
AOA
The system will have an optional AOA that works with our Patented Wing Ports.
Screen Swapping
Yes the screens can share data and exchange displays.
Audio
The systems do have Verbal Audio warnings "Check Oil Pressure"
Engine Monitor
The system has all of the features of our current AF-2500 and more.
Processor Speed and Operating System
The systems have a very fast and low power CPU. WE DO NOT USE Windows CE,
it is all proprietary to us and very fast.
We currently have 4 software engineers working on the system and we will be
adding new features.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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