Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:32 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: RV 10 Builders (Conti, Rick)
3. 07:36 AM - FW: Newsletter Three! From Coss aviation, now thats a nice 10! (John Gonzalez)
4. 07:48 AM - Re: rudder pedal mounting (Evan and Megan Johnson)
5. 08:01 AM - Pitot Line (Jesse Saint)
6. 08:07 AM - Re: rudder pedal mounting (Jesse Saint)
7. 08:17 AM - Door Handles (Jay Brinkmeyer)
8. 08:21 AM - Coss tow bar (Wayne Edgerton)
9. 10:56 AM - Re: Door Handles (Scott Schmidt)
10. 12:59 PM - Re: Pitot Line (linn Walters)
11. 02:58 PM - Re: Pitot Line (Rob Kermanj)
12. 04:04 PM - Re: Pitot Line (Rene Felker)
13. 04:47 PM - Re: Pitot Line (Rob Kermanj)
14. 05:34 PM - Aileron Boots (Roger Standley)
15. 05:55 PM - Sect. 36-2 Brake Line Fitting Hole In Bottom Skin. (Albert Gardner)
16. 06:08 PM - Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (scott@keadle.com)
17. 06:08 PM - Re: rudder pedal mounting (bob.kaufmann)
18. 06:28 PM - Re: Sect. 36-2 Brake Line Fitting Hole In Bottom Skin. ()
19. 06:33 PM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (David Boone)
20. 06:36 PM - Re: Sect. 36-2 Brake Line Fitting Hole In Bottom Skin. (Albert Gardner)
21. 06:40 PM - Re: Engine test cell? (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
22. 06:41 PM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
23. 06:43 PM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (Larry Rosen)
24. 06:59 PM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (David McNeill)
25. 07:01 PM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (Scott Keadle)
26. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Engine test cell? (Richard Sipp)
27. 07:13 PM - Re: Chelton Version 6.0 software (Richard Sipp)
28. 07:13 PM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (John W. Cox)
29. 07:41 PM - Re: Aileron Boots (Tim Olson)
30. 08:03 PM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (Scott Keadle)
31. 08:28 PM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (Tim Olson)
32. 09:16 PM - IPC Complete - Ready for Sun-N-Fun! (Tim Olson)
33. 09:25 PM - Re: Pitot Line (Mark Chamberlain)
34. 09:57 PM - AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special? (RobHickman@AOL.COM)
35. 10:13 PM - Re: AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special? (RobHickman@AOL.COM)
36. 10:16 PM - Re: Pitot Line (DejaVu)
37. 10:19 PM - Re: IPC Complete - Ready for Sun-N-Fun! (John Dunne)
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My cell # for Sun-N-Fun is 817-681-6644
Wayne Edgerton # 40336
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
I'm confused. The original message below implies it was from me (?)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
-----Original Message-----
From: Conti, Rick [mailto:/o=Boeing/ou=PHL/cn=Recipients/cn=555702]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 6:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV 10 Builders
--> RV10-List message posted by: "" <braids01@excite.com>
I'm also going to be at S&F with my building partner Jerry, and would
like to meet up. Any chance of Thurs after the airshow at Van's tent?
We'll be at the show from Tues to Fri. Rick 40373, Hanging Engine,
Rapid City -- cell 605-390-2352
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| Subject: | FW: Newsletter Three! From Coss aviation, now thats a nice |
10!
Get your napkins out boy and check the mirror before going out in public
after looking at these photos.
Inspirational, isn't it.
>From: "Info Cossaviation" <info@cossaviation.com>
>To: "Ken Clarke" <clark@eci.co.za>,"Jaco Jackson" <mauroma@itec.co.za>,"Jan
>Pienaar" <jpinar@global.co.za>,"Johan Akkerman"
><e.thomas@absamail.co.za>,"Johan Kotze" <labeltech@telkomsa.net>,"John
>Clark" <JohnCClarkVA@cs.com>,"John Strick"
><john.strick@kentron.co.za>,"Jonny Ferreira"
><junky@kirkwood.co.za>,"Jonathan Fickling" <topflyer@webmail.co.za>,"John
>Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>Subject: Newsletter Three!
>Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:27:14 +0200
>
>Hi
>
>Herewith our latest newsletter.
>
>If you want to see more photos of ZU-TEN and ZU-EAR, follow these links:
>
>ZU-TEN
>http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=102977#102977
>
>ZU-EAR
>http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7691
>
>Thanks
>
>The RCA Team
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| Subject: | Re: rudder pedal mounting |
I would think it will depend on your height and leg length. I am an average bear
about 5'-9" but my building partner is 6'-1" so I am using the forward set of
holes. I would think that the engineers designed this thing for people from
5-5 to 6-2 or so. You will also get the seat rails for adjustments, an advantage
that I don't believe any of the other models have.
Cheers...
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: rudder pedal mounting
The QB fuselage comes with two sets of mounting holes. Which holes are people
using? most forward or most aft?
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Is there any reason not to use plastic line in the wing for the pitot? The
book says to use aluminum, but it is still joined to plastic at the wing
root anyway. Plastic would be much easier to work with.
Thanks and do not archive!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
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| Subject: | rudder pedal mounting |
Does anybody know how hard it would be to change move the pedals after
flying? It shouldn't be too bad, but you would have to make a new set of
holes in the center support.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Evan and Megan
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: rudder pedal mounting
I would think it will depend on your height and leg length. I am an average
bear about 5'-9" but my building partner is 6'-1" so I am using the forward
set of holes. I would think that the engineers designed this thing for
people from 5-5 to 6-2 or so. You will also get the seat rails for
adjustments, an advantage that I don't believe any of the other models have.
Cheers...
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: rudder pedal mounting
The QB fuselage comes with two sets of mounting holes. Which holes are
people using? most forward or most aft?
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I'm interested... but, only for less than $350 per side!
Jay
#11-Fuse
Time: 02:57:05 PM PST US
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Door Handles - possible machine source??
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Here's a link to an outfit that I've thought about using, I have no
experience with them and don't know the pricing, but they are set up to
take CAD inputs and produce machined parts, If Scott has a file that
would be compatible it would be interesting to see if they can make it
and what the price would be, particularly if we could get 10 or more
people to commit to parts the price might improve.
http://www.emachineshop.com/
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Very nice.
> I wonder if someone will put these into production? (how about it Evan
> Johnson?)
>
> It should not be difficult to beat the Cross Aviation door handles
> that are $350 each. (Yes each $700 for 2 door handles).
>
> Larry
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I went back through my notes and the tow bar from Coss Aviation, South Africa,
costs $175 plus shipping.
Wayne Edgerton # 40336
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
I hope to produce them for around that price for both.
It does say aviation on the box though and that adds 30% plus the size
of the box is small so that adds 40% (just kidding). We always joke
though that the smaller the box that shows up at the door step, the more
money it costs for some reason.
Scott Schmidt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay
Brinkmeyer
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door Handles
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer
<jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I'm interested... but, only for less than $350 per side!
Jay
#11-Fuse
Time: 02:57:05 PM PST US
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Door Handles - possible machine source??
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Here's a link to an outfit that I've thought about using, I have
no
experience with them and don't know the pricing, but they are set
up to
take CAD inputs and produce machined parts, If Scott has a file
that
would be compatible it would be interesting to see if they can
make it
and what the price would be, particularly if we could get 10 or
more
people to commit to parts the price might improve.
http://www.emachineshop.com/
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen
<LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Very nice.
> I wonder if someone will put these into production? (how about
it Evan
> Johnson?)
>
> It should not be difficult to beat the Cross Aviation door
handles
> that are $350 each. (Yes each $700 for 2 door handles).
>
> Larry
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Jesse Saint wrote:
> Is there any reason not to use plastic line in the wing for the pitot?
> The book says to use aluminum, but it is still joined to plastic at
> the wing root anyway. Plastic would be much easier to work with.
>
Well, almost all plastics (and some rubbers) will become brittle and
crack with age and vibration. Having plastic lines on the wingtips and
wing root where they are easily accessible would be OK (IMHO) but trying
to fish a new plastic line throught the wing might be a challenge. Just
an observation.
Linn
>
>
> Thanks and do not archive!
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
>
>
> I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end
> of May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I
> can check from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the
> I-TEC office at 352-465-4545.
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
If you use plastic, you will still need to come up with a flared
fitting at the pitot tube. You will have come up with a trasition
from aluminum to plastic at the wing root if you use aluminum exept it
is done easier with a slip-over tubing. I really cannot see the
advantage of using plastic in the wing.
Do not archive.
On 3/29/06, Jesse Saint <jesse@itecusa.org> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any reason not to use plastic line in the wing for the pitot? The
> book says to use aluminum, but it is still joined to plastic at the wing
> root anyway. Plastic would be much easier to work with.
>
>
> Thanks and do not archive!
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org
>
> www.itecusa.org
>
>
> I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
> May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
> from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
> 352-465-4545.
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
I was looking at using plastic in the wing also. I am not using Vans pitot
and want a maintenance loop on my Gertz pitot. Using plastic would limit is
to one connection point at the pitot. I think I can just use a slip on
connection at the pitot also.
Still thinking but almost to the point of having to decide.
Rene' Felker
40322
Fuslage/Finish Kit
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pitot Line
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
If you use plastic, you will still need to come up with a flared
fitting at the pitot tube. You will have come up with a trasition
from aluminum to plastic at the wing root if you use aluminum exept it
is done easier with a slip-over tubing. I really cannot see the
advantage of using plastic in the wing.
Do not archive.
On 3/29/06, Jesse Saint <jesse@itecusa.org> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any reason not to use plastic line in the wing for the pitot?
The
> book says to use aluminum, but it is still joined to plastic at the wing
> root anyway. Plastic would be much easier to work with.
>
>
> Thanks and do not archive!
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org
>
> www.itecusa.org
>
>
> I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
> May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
> from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office
at
> 352-465-4545.
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
I still think that aluminum is a better choice.
Do nopt archive
On 3/29/06, Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
>
> I was looking at using plastic in the wing also. I am not using Vans pitot
> and want a maintenance loop on my Gertz pitot. Using plastic would limit is
> to one connection point at the pitot. I think I can just use a slip on
> connection at the pitot also.
>
> Still thinking but almost to the point of having to decide.
>
> Rene' Felker
> 40322
> Fuslage/Finish Kit
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:57 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pitot Line
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
>
> If you use plastic, you will still need to come up with a flared
> fitting at the pitot tube. You will have come up with a trasition
> from aluminum to plastic at the wing root if you use aluminum exept it
> is done easier with a slip-over tubing. I really cannot see the
> advantage of using plastic in the wing.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> On 3/29/06, Jesse Saint <jesse@itecusa.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there any reason not to use plastic line in the wing for the pitot?
> The
> > book says to use aluminum, but it is still joined to plastic at the wing
> > root anyway. Plastic would be much easier to work with.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks and do not archive!
> >
> >
> >
> > Jesse Saint
> >
> > I-TEC, Inc.
> >
> > jesse@itecusa.org
> >
> > www.itecusa.org
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
> > May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
> > from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office
> at
> > 352-465-4545.
> >
> >
>
>
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=0D=0AAnyone using or planning on using aileron boots in their RV-10? Opinions
for or against?=0D=0A=0D=0ARoger=0D=0A40291 - Fuselage
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| Subject: | Sect. 36-2 Brake Line Fitting Hole In Bottom Skin. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
Well, I should know better by now but following the instructions in step #1,
I drilled the hole in the bottom skin (neat the gear leg opening) for the
brake line fitting before I double checked it. Now I have a 5/8" hole but
the AN837-4D bulkhead 45 only needs a 7/16" hole. I can think of several
ways to fix this but perhaps someone else has blazed the trail here and has
a simple, elegant fix. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Albert Gardner
RV-10 40-422
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
I was planning to buy an SV-10 Chelton system for my panel this week, when I got
the word that Direct2, the supplier/manufacturer, was only going to honor their
quoted price ($26,900, discussed here previously) if they recieved full payment
by the end of the week. I offered to send the full amount to an escrow agent,
or to the distributor/panel-builder, but they reportedly said they would
only take cash. Makes me wonder why they would be operating like that. All I
can come up with is that they are short of cash (maybe because of the Crossbow
AHRS recall) and maybe even almost out of business. I would sure hate for anyone
(especially me) to give them $27,000 and get absolutely nothing in return.
Much bigger companies have gone bankrupt and taken customers deposits down the
drain with them.
Scott Keadle
RV-10 in progress
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| Subject: | rudder pedal mounting |
My thought would be to make the center holes so that either position would
work and then it would be relatively easy to move it to either position.
You could call it a lightening hole if you don't use it.
Bob K
Putting brake lines on and started doing electrical
Do not archive
PS My Cosmo 20B fully dressed, installed should weigh 420 lbs.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: rudder pedal mounting
Does anybody know how hard it would be to change move the pedals after
flying? It shouldn't be too bad, but you would have to make a new set of
holes in the center support.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Evan and Megan
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: rudder pedal mounting
I would think it will depend on your height and leg length. I am an average
bear about 5'-9" but my building partner is 6'-1" so I am using the forward
set of holes. I would think that the engineers designed this thing for
people from 5-5 to 6-2 or so. You will also get the seat rails for
adjustments, an advantage that I don't believe any of the other models have.
Cheers...
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: rudder pedal mounting
The QB fuselage comes with two sets of mounting holes. Which holes are
people using? most forward or most aft?
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| Subject: | Re: Sect. 36-2 Brake Line Fitting Hole In Bottom Skin. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com>
The AN fitting mounts to the landing gear mount, not the skin. The skin was just
a clearance hole.
Jim C
#40192
Fuselage
Do Not Archive
============================================================
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Sect. 36-2 Brake Line Fitting Hole In Bottom Skin.
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
Well, I should know better by now but following the instructions in step #1,
I drilled the hole in the bottom skin (neat the gear leg opening) for the
brake line fitting before I double checked it. Now I have a 5/8" hole but
the AN837-4D bulkhead 45 only needs a 7/16" hole. I can think of several
ways to fix this but perhaps someone else has blazed the trail here and has
a simple, elegant fix. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Albert Gardner
RV-10 40-422
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
I am planning on deciding which EFIS @ Sun and Fun and I would really be suprised
if they do not have some special @ Sun and Fun to try and get you to sign up.
David Boone #138
----- Original Message -----
From: scott@keadle.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt?
I was planning to buy an SV-10 Chelton system for my panel this week, when I
got the word that Direct2, the supplier/manufacturer, was only going to honor
their quoted price ($26,900, discussed here previously) if they recieved full
payment by the end of the week. I offered to send the full amount to an escrow
agent, or to the distributor/panel-builder, but they reportedly said they would
only take cash. Makes me wonder why they would be operating like that. All
I can come up with is that they are short of cash (maybe because of the Crossbow
AHRS recall) and maybe even almost out of business. I would sure hate for anyone
(especially me) to give them $27,000 and get absolutely nothing in return.
Much bigger companies have gone bankrupt and taken customers deposits down
the drain with them.
Scott Keadle
RV-10 in progress
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| Subject: | Sect. 36-2 Brake Line Fitting Hole In Bottom Skin. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
That's good news-I was skipping ahead and putting in the brake lines before
mating the firewall and forward cabin parts with the spar carry through.
Thanks
Albert
-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sect. 36-2 Brake Line Fitting Hole In Bottom Skin.
The AN fitting mounts to the landing gear mount, not the skin. The skin was
just a clearance hole.
Jim C
#40192
Fuselage
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| Subject: | RE: Engine test cell? |
We're rebuilding our own engine. It sure would be nice to be able to run it in
a test cell before flying.
Anyone have any recommendations for somewhere that would do that type of service?
Somewhere in the Great Lakes region would be best . . .
TDT
40025
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| Subject: | Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
If Direct2 is part of Chelton and Chelton is part of Meggitt, there's enough corporate
weight there they shouldn't fall apart overnight.
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of David Boone
Sent: Wed 3/29/2006 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt?
I am planning on deciding which EFIS @ Sun and Fun and I would really be suprised
if they do not have some special @ Sun and Fun to try and get you to sign up.
David Boone #138
----- Original Message -----
From: scott@keadle.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt?
I was planning to buy an SV-10 Chelton system for my panel this week, when I
got the word that Direct2, the supplier/manufacturer, was only going to honor
their quoted price ($26,900, discussed here previously) if they recieved full
payment by the end of the week. I offered to send the full amount to an escrow
agent, or to the distributor/panel-builder, but they reportedly said they would
only take cash. Makes me wonder why they would be operating like that. All
I can come up with is that they are short of cash (maybe because of the Crossbow
AHRS recall) and maybe even almost out of business. I would sure hate for anyone
(especially me) to give them $27,000 and get absolutely nothing in return.
Much bigger companies have gone bankrupt and taken customers deposits down
the drain with them.
Scott Keadle
RV-10 in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Thanks for making me feel comfortable :-( I did send in my money for
the $26,900 SV-10. I hope you are wrong.
The price of the SV-10 is now $29,900 and SV-Sport (no RV-10 wire
harness) is $27,900.
Larry Rosen
http://lrosen.nerv10.com
scott@keadle.com wrote:
> I was planning to buy an SV-10 Chelton system for my panel this week,
> when I got the word that Direct2, the supplier/manufacturer, was only
> going to honor their quoted price ($26,900, discussed here
> previously) if they recieved full payment by the end of the week. I
> offered to send the full amount to an escrow agent, or to the
> distributor/panel-builder, but they reportedly said they would only
> take cash. Makes me wonder why they would be operating like that. All
> I can come up with is that they are short of cash (maybe because of
> the Crossbow AHRS recall) and maybe even almost out of business. I
> would sure hate for anyone (especially me) to give them $27,000 and
> get absolutely nothing in return. Much bigger companies have gone
> bankrupt and taken customers deposits down the drain with them.
>
> Scott Keadle
> RV-10 in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
I would be more concerned about giving $27000 cash to an avionics shop/distributor.
A lot of them are more thinly financed than D2A. I elected to pay them directly
and designate a dealer. They had the same policy when I purchased last
year (OSH 2005). I transferred money to their account. They shipped direct to
me. The Chelton name is at stake here and they are very stable.
----- Original Message -----
From: scott@keadle.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt?
I was planning to buy an SV-10 Chelton system for my panel this week, when I
got the word that Direct2, the supplier/manufacturer, was only going to honor
their quoted price ($26,900, discussed here previously) if they recieved full
payment by the end of the week. I offered to send the full amount to an escrow
agent, or to the distributor/panel-builder, but they reportedly said they would
only take cash. Makes me wonder why they would be operating like that. All
I can come up with is that they are short of cash (maybe because of the Crossbow
AHRS recall) and maybe even almost out of business. I would sure hate for anyone
(especially me) to give them $27,000 and get absolutely nothing in return.
Much bigger companies have gone bankrupt and taken customers deposits down
the drain with them.
Scott Keadle
RV-10 in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Keadle" <Scott@Keadle.com>
Me too. It should be a very good product. I was worried about their integrity when
they said they would not honor their quoted price, and then worried about
their financial stability when they said they wanted all the money up front before
production. I have not spoken with them personally yet, so maybe there was
a misunderstanding, but I think they lost a lot of customers if it's the way
it appears. Of course, if they're headed belly up, they gotta do what they gotta
do to try and keep the lights on...
Scott
[quote="LarryRosen"]Thanks for making me feel comfortable :-( I did send in my
money for
the $26,900 SV-10. I hope you are wrong.
]
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Engine test cell? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Tim,
You could try G&N in Griffith, Indiana (Northeast corner)
http://www.gnaircraft.com/ They have a test cell. Ask for Dennis Wyman.
Dick Sipp
40065
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Engine test cell?
We're rebuilding our own engine. It sure would be nice to be able to run it
in a test cell before flying.
Anyone have any recommendations for somewhere that would do that type of
service? Somewhere in the Great Lakes region would be best . . .
TDT
40025
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton Version 6.0 software |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Talking about Chelton. Version six software is described here:
C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\EH7KD4ZQ\Software Changes Version 6.html
A total of 49 enhancements are listed. Two that I really liked were
annunciation of the autopilot output modes on the PFD and a new flight plan
format waypoint page, great for reviewing and verifying approach waypoints
quickly.
I doubt Chelton would let D2A fail. IMHO
Dick Sipp
40065
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| Subject: | Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
Scott, to post a message which might be truly prove to be baseless could
be construed as irresponsible. Direct2 is not owned or managed by
Chelton to my limited knowledge. They are an independent firm of former
Lancair employees who saw a first hand opportunity to provide a higher
level of customer service to the OAMA community. I am sure several on
this list can affirm their personal opinions on the merits of the
company. I will be interested in Direct2's response on your
characterization of "Cash only" versus secured Credit Card payment to
meet the $26,900 limited offer. Who is your source that reported the
requirement.
I know of three RV-10 builders where the company and its individuals
went far above and beyond customary support. Are you by chance
affiliated with Crossbow?
John Cox
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
scott@keadle.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going
bankrupt?
I was planning to buy an SV-10 Chelton system for my panel this week,
when I got the word that Direct2, the supplier/manufacturer, was only
going to honor their quoted price ($26,900, discussed here previously)
if they recieved full payment by the end of the week. I offered to send
the full amount to an escrow agent, or to the distributor/panel-builder,
but they reportedly said they would only take cash. Makes me wonder why
they would be operating like that. All I can come up with is that they
are short of cash (maybe because of the Crossbow AHRS recall) and maybe
even almost out of business. I would sure hate for anyone (especially
me) to give them $27,000 and get absolutely nothing in return. Much
bigger companies have gone bankrupt and taken customers deposits down
the drain with them.
Scott Keadle
RV-10 in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Boots |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I have them from Abby at Flightline. Don't know how necessary they are,
but I figured they'd get rid of some drafts. I sealed my fuselage up
fairly well, and if there were a draft, it would come up
through the hole where the stick comes out. The aileron boots complete
the sealing to the wing area.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Roger Standley wrote:
>
> Anyone using or planning on using aileron boots in their RV-10? Opinions
> for or against?
>
> Roger
> 40291 - Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Keadle" <Scott@Keadle.com>
John,
I'm only telling the group what my experience has been, and I don't know anything
more than what I wrote. I'm not affiliated with anybody, I'm just a slightly
confused would-be D2 customer who is now looking for either an explanation from
someone as to why they would insist on full payment when they aren't ready
to ship, or a different PFD for my airplane. Also, I'm new to a lot of this stuff,
and don't know what OAMA stands for. If you don't mind, could you let the
newbies know what it means?
Scott
johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com wrote:
> Scott, to post a message which might be truly prove to be baseless could be construed
as irresponsible.? Direct2 is not owned or managed by Chelton to my limited
knowledge. They are an independent firm of former Lancair employees who
saw a first hand opportunity to provide a higher level of customer service to
the OAMA community. I am sure several on this list can affirm their personal
opinions on the merits of the company.? I will be interested in Direct2s response
on your characterization of Cash only versus secured Credit Card payment to
meet the $26,900 limited offer.? Who is your source that reported the requirement.
> ?
> I know of three RV-10 builders where the company and its individuals went far
above and beyond customary support.? Are you by chance affiliated with Crossbow?
> ?
> John Cox
> Do not Archive
> ?
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scott@keadle.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:08 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt?
>
> ?
> I was planning to buy an SV-10 Chelton system for my panel this week, when I
got the word that Direct2, the supplier/manufacturer, was only going to honor
their quoted price ($26,900,?discussed here previously)?if they recieved full
payment by the end of the week. I offered to send the?full amount?to an escrow
agent, or to the distributor/panel-builder, but they reportedly said they would
only take cash. Makes me wonder why they would be operating like that. All
I can come up with is that they are short of cash (maybe because of the Crossbow
AHRS recall) and maybe even almost out of business. I would sure hate for anyone
(especially me) to give them $27,000 and get absolutely nothing in return.
Much bigger companies have gone bankrupt and taken customers deposits down
the drain with them.
>
> ?
>
> Scott Keadle
>
> RV-10 in progress
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Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I have no statements of fact to give, only guestimates and opinions.
I don't know if I'd believe that they're cash short or ready to
go bankrupt. I guess you would never know if that were the case,
but I really doubt it. I have heard that the cost of the harnesses
may have been more than expected. I have heard in the past that the
cost of some of the components of the units themselves went up
back when they started with the G2 processors. But, I would guess
that this has more to do with the AHRS issue than anything else.
It is/was a significant hit to have to do the right thing and take
back the AHRS units and replace them with something reliable.
I would bet some chickens that they would want to recover some
of that outlay from Crossbow. Consider though what might happen
if they were unable to get some refund from Crossbow and they
already announced that they would support the existing base....
They still have to buy the new AHRS units to replace the old, and
the cash has to come from somewhere. In the end, the new purchasers
will end up with an improved system over what was offered previously.
I'm sure they would have liked to ask the past customers for more
money for the AHRS, but that was already a done deal. So it would
come from future sales. Again, that's just a guess.
As for the full payment issue, I had to pay for mine in full
almost a year ago, by the end of that particular week, if I wanted
to get the interconnect harnesses included with the purchase.
I know that people would *like* to put a deposit down on the
gear, and pay more later, but I don't see anything inherently
wrong with asking for full payment as long as you get an
accurate delivery timeline. It sure weeds out those who aren't
committed, of which I'm sure there are many.
Regarding the price increase, I am sure there will be many people
who are unhappy with that. It is a real hit. But, it's a little
over 10%, and even engines are taking healthy jumps as of late
also, so increases are just a fact of life. I can't say that I
know I would have gone the same route, had I been facing the same
price structure at the time of my decision...I just don't know.
What I can say is that knowing what I know today after flying
behind it, I know from that perspective that I'd make the same
choice again. There will be those people who were already predisposed
to not liking the higher price, or didn't see the added value.
Those customers were lost long ago. The ones I feel bad for
are the ones who will change their minds now, with the higher
price. Without flying behind it, I can understand the urge
to drop the plans and switch products. Everyone has to do
what they have to do, however, so if it doesn't fit the budget,
it just may not be do-able. I still advise watching the training
DVD, and if at all possible, fly behind the system before
turning it down. It would be worth a couple hundred bucks to
fly somewhere for the opportunity.
More in a different post...
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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scott@keadle.com wrote:
> I was planning to buy an SV-10 Chelton system for my panel this week,
> when I got the word that Direct2, the supplier/manufacturer, was only
> going to honor their quoted price ($26,900, discussed here
> previously) if they recieved full payment by the end of the week. I
> offered to send the full amount to an escrow agent, or to the
> distributor/panel-builder, but they reportedly said they would only take
> cash. Makes me wonder why they would be operating like that. All I can
> come up with is that they are short of cash (maybe because of the
> Crossbow AHRS recall) and maybe even almost out of business. I would
> sure hate for anyone (especially me) to give them $27,000 and get
> absolutely nothing in return. Much bigger companies have gone bankrupt
> and taken customers deposits down the drain with them.
>
> Scott Keadle
> RV-10 in progress
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| Subject: | IPC Complete - Ready for Sun-N-Fun! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Today I had a truly fun flight in preparation for the trip to Sun-N-Fun.
I like going out and flying approaches, but haven't had a chance to do
any since we sold the Sundowner back in August/September. Having been
more than 6 months, I needed to complete some approaches before I could
fly IFR, and I thought it best to skip the safety pilot method and
just grab the CFII from the FBO. He's ALWAYS interested in getting some
time in the RV-10, and the glass cockpit is a bonus to him.
Previously, I have gotten familiar with the Chelton system, and on a
couple earlier flights I at least figured out how to load and cancel
approaches on the fly. Once I got the concept down, it seems pretty
easy. There were some little "tricks" I learned along the way that
at first I didn't catch, but once I knew them, it made loading an
approach very quick.
As we left my home base and tracked inbound to a VOR to start an
approach, the CFII asked if my screens would display the hold or not.
I thought so, but said "let's see". Loaded the approach and there it
was, complete with hold entries. It was a breeze to fly to the
VOR and enter the hold. There is a predictive turn indicator that
shows your arc that you'll take at the current bank angle. It's
really cool and makes it simple to put in the proper bank to match
up with the teardrop or other hold entry. Once in the hold, the
altitude bug was automatically set to the proper altitude for the
approach. We did a couple of turns, and as we passed by and
did a turn, instead of continuing the approach, the system put the
approach into Suspend automatically. I flew maybe 4 turns, all very
easy despite the wind, because of the great map-view display on
the screen. Once I decided to continue the approach, I flew to
the fix and the system came out of Suspend and the approach continued
automatically. By the way, the day was very hazy and with the sun,
we only had maybe 3-4 miles of forward visibily, so it made practice
very good. The CFII was amazed at how perfectly representative the
screen was to the outside view...the runway was exactly in the same
place, and you could easily tell where you were and needed to go
on the approach. To me, being under the hood, I went from feeling
rusty on my approaches to feeling fairly well and being amazed at
how easy the approaches were. We then went missed, and the missed
approach activated and took us to the published missed approach.
It's hard to describe, but I have that GNS480 in the panel, but
it has absolutely no comparison to how easy it is to fly an approach
on the Chelton system. The Chelton screen and map view are just
leagues ahead of anything you'll get flying an approach on a
430/480/530. In fact, if you're not flying a system like the Chelton
and you want to do some serious approaches, I would recommend a
nice MFD like the MX-20 or Avidyne. They really are sweet.
We then continued on to our next approach, a DME arc to an ILS. I
didn't know for sure if an arc would display, but sure enough
you choose the destination airport, IFR approach, transition which
includes the IAF for that end of the arc, and the destination runway.
Then the arc is there right in front of you. We took a heading
that would intercept the arc, and headed out. Using the turn predictor,
I easily put us right on the arc, and then I manually jumped the
approach sequence to the arc segment. The HITS boxes, by the way,
make flying an arc, or any other part of the approach, a real
no-brainer. It's amazing stuff. I was able to hold a very precise
arc all the way to the lead-in radial. It led me in using an
intermediate fix towards the Localizer, and when it picked up the
localizer the indicators changed colors to go from GPS to NAV
display using the GS/LOC. I then continued on towards the runway.
With the great display of all fly-through fixes and everything else,
it was easy to have a nuts-on approach to the runway. Again, the
CFII and myself were both amazed, as the display on screen was
really a completely accurate depiction of the airport environment.
Very easy indeed.
He commented to me, as does everyone, "It would be interesting to
see if you could still fly old steam gauges if you go back from
this glass." My thought is, why in the heck would anyone ever
want to go back. I mean, I own an RV-10 now...why would I rent
some beat up old C-172 and fly steam gauges....it just wouldn't
be something I'm interested in anymore.
We went out and did some unusual attitudes, which disappointed him
because the screen has all sorts of stuff to help you correct
your unusual attitude, like directional chevrons telling you what
to do. It makes it too easy.
So then it's time to do some partial panel. I thought to myself
that this would be very interesting...losing all 3 glass panels
and still trying to fly an approach. It's kind of funny though,
because I *only* had an airspeed, turn-n-bank, coarse altimeter,
inaccurate compass, and GNS480+CDI to get me home, flying a
VOR/DME approach to my home airport. "Only" is strange way to put
it, as this is pretty well equipped compared to some planes, but
hey, it is only a small piece of the functionality in my panel.
With an aux battery bank, and redundant screens, there really isn't
any reason I would resort to these backups other than maybe
an air data and AHRS failure. He flips my 3 screens to all
engine pages, and we begin the approach. Surprisingly, it was
still very easy to fly the approach, even with "minimal" equipment.
The GNS480, when punched in to the destination, displays both
the GPS distance to the airport, and the DME distance from the
VOR. The coarse reading 0-20,000' altimeter is surprisingly
easy to hold something relatively close. I saw no need for a VSI,
and the compass, even being innacurate worked ok to at least
fly straight. I could watch for the needle to swing, and it didn't
really matter what the compass said, it still gave me enough to
approximate my correction. I got to my dropdown fix, and the
CFII said that the altimeter was accurate enough that it "looked"
right. I got to the missed approach point, and sure enough I
was still right on for the approach, with everything looking just
great.
It was a real confidence building day to be able to jump in to
a system I was not overly familiar with, and know that I could
successfully load and fly an approach. I can't believe at how
far advanced the equipment is, and how easy it makes some of
this type of flying. I can say now that I'm very happy with
the package and panel I put together, and everything, from the
electrical system, to the instruments and placement, is exactly
what I would have wanted. Stein was a big help initially in
getting this stuff coordinated. Beyond that, I had a cardboard
real-sized mockup panel and real-sized avionics that I stuck
on it and moved around until I found something I liked. I advise
everyone to take the time to plan your panel fully like that.
It's well worth the exercise. It was this type of day though
that made me know that I can launch on a trip to Sun-N-Fun
with no major reservations. I still don't want to fly in any
extreme conditions for a bit longer, but knowing that you're
not going to be totally lost in space with your new gear
is a great feeling.
If you stuck with this post this long, I hope you liked it.
Can you tell I'm a bit pumped?
Oil is changed, airplane is almost cleaned up, only 2 more
workdays before blast-off!
Tim
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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
I used the plastic line as well, but don't forget to transition to aluminum
for the last 12-18 inches or so at the pitot tube end if using a heated tube
to allow the heat to dissapate before reaching the plastic. I connected the
plastic to the aluminum with a short (3 in) piece of rubber hose and
clamps, recommended by another builder. Very easy install, no leaks during
the pitot static check. Mark (40016)50hrs.
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| Subject: | AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special? |
We have our Special Pricing for Sun-n-Fun
Dual Screen AF-3400 System Including the following:
1. AF-3400 EFIS
2. AF-3400 Engine Monitor
3. ALL Engine Probes and Sensors, Including Fuel Flow
4. External Magnetometer
Our AHRS is based on certified boards and software.
&
You don't pay anything until the system is ready to ship.
Booth D-92 Price: $6,999
Upgrade any Screen to the AF-3500 for only $400 each.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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| Subject: | Re: AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special? |
That was for a 4 Cylinder.. 6 Cylinder + $200
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You can reach your hand (or at least my hand) through the access doors and touch
every part of every rib in the wings. I don't think fishing a new line through
is a problem.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: linn Walters
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pitot Line
Jesse Saint wrote:
Is there any reason not to use plastic line in the wing for the pitot? The
book says to use aluminum, but it is still joined to plastic at the wing root
anyway. Plastic would be much easier to work with.
Well, almost all plastics (and some rubbers) will become brittle and crack with
age and vibration. Having plastic lines on the wingtips and wing root where
they are easily accessible would be OK (IMHO) but trying to fish a new plastic
line throught the wing might be a challenge. Just an observation.
Linn
Thanks and do not archive!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of May.
You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check from
down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at 352-465-4545.
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| Subject: | IPC Complete - Ready for Sun-N-Fun! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Tim,
Great post!
Can you clarify for me how the Chelton recognizes "suspend" and "continue"
automatically? This truly sounds like a excellent setup.
John 40315
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: RV10-List: IPC Complete - Ready for Sun-N-Fun!
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
"Today I had a truly fun flight in preparation for the trip to
Sun-N-Fun......
"We did a couple of turns, and as we passed by and did a turn, instead of
continuing the approach, the system put the approach into Suspend
automatically. I flew maybe 4 turns, all very easy despite the wind,
because of the great map-view display on
the screen. Once I decided to continue the approach, I flew to
the fix and the system came out of Suspend and the approach continued
automatically."
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