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1. 04:18 AM - Re: Re: Engine test cell? (Jesse Saint)
2. 04:18 AM - Re: IPC Complete - Ready for Sun-N-Fun! (Tim Olson)
3. 05:25 AM - Re: Aileron Boots (zackrv8)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (Belue, Kevin)
5. 05:39 AM - Re: Engine test cell? (Gary Specketer)
6. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Boots (Tim Olson)
7. 07:25 AM - O-540 B2C5 (Jesse Saint)
8. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Boots (Larry Rosen)
9. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Aileron Boots (Tim Olson)
10. 08:49 AM - yasir sabri - End2Spam (Larry Rosen)
11. 09:58 AM - Re: yasir sabri - End2Spam (Albert Gardner)
12. 10:41 AM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (Scott Schmidt)
13. 10:41 AM - Re: yasir sabri - End2Spam (Jesse Saint)
14. 10:58 AM - Re: yasir sabri - End2Spam (Larry Rosen)
15. 11:14 AM - Re: AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special? (Brian Sponcil)
16. 11:25 AM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
17. 11:38 AM - Re: yasir sabri - End2Spam (Dj Merrill)
18. 12:39 PM - Re: Aileron Boots (Conti, Rick)
19. 12:42 PM - Recall: Aileron Boots (Conti, Rick)
20. 12:56 PM - Re: yasir sabri - End2Spam (John Dunne)
21. 01:59 PM - Re: AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special? (Marcus Cooper)
22. 03:18 PM - Re: AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special? (Larry Rosen)
23. 04:33 PM - Re: O-540 B2C5 (ddddsp1@juno.com)
24. 05:25 PM - fire suppression (David McNeill)
25. 05:31 PM - Re: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? (John W. Cox)
26. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: Re: Aileron Boots ()
27. 07:59 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Boots (Tim Olson)
28. 08:37 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Boots (Larry Rosen)
29. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Boots (LessDragProd@aol.com)
30. 10:52 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Boots (John W. Cox)
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| Subject: | RE: Engine test cell? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
MMS Aviation in Coshocton Ohio is where ours was done. They are a
Missionary training school, but they also provide some services to the
public. www.mmsaviation.org is their website.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Engine test cell?
We're rebuilding our own engine. It sure would be nice to be able to run it
in a test cell before flying.
Anyone have any recommendations for somewhere that would do that type of
service? Somewhere in the Great Lakes region would be best . . .
TDT
40025
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| Subject: | Re: IPC Complete - Ready for Sun-N-Fun! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I wish I could clarify more, but I'm not sure myself.
Basically, as soon as I turned away from passing the FAF
and went into the hold, it said SUSPEND. But, it kept that
approach segment active and when I flew around the hold and
passed the FAF and continued down, it automatically was
there waiting for me and continued the approach. I'm not
sure that I'm skilled enough to maybe fully comprehend yet
what's going on behind the scenes. I would suspect that
had I told it I was going to hold, I could have had it
light up the hold segment and fly it that way too.
Perhaps someone with more experience flying cool technology
could give some pointers as to what might be going on.
I simply don't have the background yet. But, this was
a way cool introduction.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Dunne wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
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> Tim,
> Great post!
> Can you clarify for me how the Chelton recognizes "suspend" and "continue"
> automatically? This truly sounds like a excellent setup.
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> John 40315
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, 30 March 2006 3:11 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: IPC Complete - Ready for Sun-N-Fun!
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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> "Today I had a truly fun flight in preparation for the trip to
> Sun-N-Fun......
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> "We did a couple of turns, and as we passed by and did a turn, instead of
> continuing the approach, the system put the approach into Suspend
> automatically. I flew maybe 4 turns, all very easy despite the wind,
> because of the great map-view display on
> the screen. Once I decided to continue the approach, I flew to
> the fix and the system came out of Suspend and the approach continued
> automatically."
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Boots |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Roger,
If the RV10 is anything like the RV8, I would highly recommend installing the
aileron booties. I flew my RV8 initially without them (froze my a$$ off) and
after installing them, noticed a huge improvement! The air finds it way into
the cockpit around the aileron tubes. Maybe Tim can give us a report living
up there in WI?
Joe
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RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25240#25240
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| Subject: | Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Belue, Kevin" <KBelue@DRS-TEM.com>
I'm building an RV-10 and purchased the Chelton displays at Oshkosh 2005
because of the deal they had. I really didn't want to buy that early because
I was building the wings, but I couldn't pass up the free autopilot. If I
hadn't bought then, I would have a hard time deciding now with the price
increase. Maybe they'll have a better deal at SNF or OSH.
I agree with everything that Tim Olson said about the quality of the
displays. The cost was more than I really wanted to pay, but it does
everything I want and does it well, not to mention that the display quality
is better than anything else that I compared it to. The display quality
really sells it for me.
Paying all of the cash upfront is tough (I really squirmed at the thought of
losing the money) but a lot of people have trusted D2A and I haven't heard
of any problems. I had to wait about 6 months to get my displays, but I did
get them. Research the distributor you buy them from though, because there
are differences in their business practices that may surprise you. At this
point, I'm glad I bought them and would do it again.
Kevin D. Belue
RV-6A 700 hrs
RV-10 Fuselage/Finish
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| Subject: | RE: Engine test cell? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Gary Specketer" <speckter@comcast.net>
Darrel Bolduc has one at Bolduc Aviation at ANE a northern suburb of
Minneapolis. He is very friendly and willing to help homebuilders.
763-780-1185
Gary
40274
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:38 PM
Subject: RE: Engine test cell?
We're rebuilding our own engine. It sure would be nice to be able to run it
in a test cell before flying.
Anyone have any recommendations for somewhere that would do that type of
service? Somewhere in the Great Lakes region would be best . . .
TDT
40025
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Boots |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I can't say that it made a difference, since I never flew it without
them. What I can say is that I sealed the hole in the fuse down
by the landing gear on the belly at the corner of the skin,
and had the aileron boots installed and the firewall sealed well
to prevent CO issues, and it's very nice and tight. The heater
ROCKS for those cold weather fliers, and built like mine, I
think there's no way to complain about the warmth in the plane.
I can't say what it would be like at 10 degrees with the open
holes though.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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zackrv8 wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
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> Roger,
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> If the RV10 is anything like the RV8, I would highly recommend
> installing the aileron booties. I flew my RV8 initially without them
> (froze my a$$ off) and after installing them, noticed a huge
> improvement! The air finds it way into the cockpit around the
> aileron tubes. Maybe Tim can give us a report living up there in WI?
>
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> Joe
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Does anybody know any reason why an O-540 B2C5 (or B2B5) engine would not
fit in the -10? We just need something to be able to fit the cowling and
baffles (at least a rough fit on the baffles) down here in Ecuador because
we are going to install the engine in the States. We have a contact on a
core that came off a Pawnee that we can buy/borrow if we know it will fit.
Also, anybody know of a way to find out the standard engine mount ears that
would come off a Pawnee with this engine?
Thanks and do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Boots |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Tim, How did you seal the hole in the fuse that the landing gear protrudes?
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Boots |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I filled it with a gob of clear RTV and kind of smoothed it
to look halfway good.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
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> Tim, How did you seal the hole in the fuse that the landing gear protrudes?
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| Subject: | yasir sabri - End2Spam |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
When I post to the matronics list I get an email back from yasir sabri
that says:
Hello, thank you for your email.
Due to the amount of spams I used to receive in my mailbox, I am using
End2Spam anti-spam service to protect my email inbox. If you want your
messages to reach me you will need to click on the link below.
[link removed]
Thanks and regards
yasir sabri
If this link appears broken in your email client, please copy and paste
the entire link in one line in your web browser.
What is this?
Larry Rosen
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| Subject: | yasir sabri - End2Spam |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
In cases like this the mailbox rule wizard works fine. Unless you expect to
receive mail from yasir normally, create a rule to delete his (or others in
like circumstances) messages when received. You will still receive list mail
since it comes from matronics.com
Albert Gardner
-----Original Message-----
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
When I post to the matronics list I get an email back from yasir sabri
that says:
Hello, thank you for your email.
Due to the amount of spams I used to receive in my mailbox, I am using
End2Spam anti-spam service to protect my email inbox. If you want your
messages to reach me you will need to click on the link below.
[link removed]
Thanks and regards
yasir sabri
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the entire link in one line in your web browser.
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Larry Rosen
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| Subject: | Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
Scott is right when he says they won't take credit cards. But I don't
think they ever have. I do wish Direct 2 Avionics acted like Grand
Rapids or others where you only pay once the device is ready to ship.
But there are tons of companies in this industry that don't take credit
cards. Real bummer because the skymiles would have been nice for the
panel and Chelton system.
Scott Schmidt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company)
going bankrupt?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I have no statements of fact to give, only guestimates and opinions.
I don't know if I'd believe that they're cash short or ready to
go bankrupt. I guess you would never know if that were the case,
but I really doubt it. I have heard that the cost of the harnesses
may have been more than expected. I have heard in the past that the
cost of some of the components of the units themselves went up
back when they started with the G2 processors. But, I would guess
that this has more to do with the AHRS issue than anything else.
It is/was a significant hit to have to do the right thing and take
back the AHRS units and replace them with something reliable.
I would bet some chickens that they would want to recover some
of that outlay from Crossbow. Consider though what might happen
if they were unable to get some refund from Crossbow and they
already announced that they would support the existing base....
They still have to buy the new AHRS units to replace the old, and
the cash has to come from somewhere. In the end, the new purchasers
will end up with an improved system over what was offered previously.
I'm sure they would have liked to ask the past customers for more
money for the AHRS, but that was already a done deal. So it would
come from future sales. Again, that's just a guess.
As for the full payment issue, I had to pay for mine in full
almost a year ago, by the end of that particular week, if I wanted
to get the interconnect harnesses included with the purchase.
I know that people would *like* to put a deposit down on the
gear, and pay more later, but I don't see anything inherently
wrong with asking for full payment as long as you get an
accurate delivery timeline. It sure weeds out those who aren't
committed, of which I'm sure there are many.
Regarding the price increase, I am sure there will be many people
who are unhappy with that. It is a real hit. But, it's a little
over 10%, and even engines are taking healthy jumps as of late
also, so increases are just a fact of life. I can't say that I
know I would have gone the same route, had I been facing the same
price structure at the time of my decision...I just don't know.
What I can say is that knowing what I know today after flying
behind it, I know from that perspective that I'd make the same
choice again. There will be those people who were already predisposed
to not liking the higher price, or didn't see the added value.
Those customers were lost long ago. The ones I feel bad for
are the ones who will change their minds now, with the higher
price. Without flying behind it, I can understand the urge
to drop the plans and switch products. Everyone has to do
what they have to do, however, so if it doesn't fit the budget,
it just may not be do-able. I still advise watching the training
DVD, and if at all possible, fly behind the system before
turning it down. It would be worth a couple hundred bucks to
fly somewhere for the opportunity.
More in a different post...
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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scott@keadle.com wrote:
> I was planning to buy an SV-10 Chelton system for my panel this week,
> when I got the word that Direct2, the supplier/manufacturer, was only
> going to honor their quoted price ($26,900, discussed here
> previously) if they recieved full payment by the end of the week. I
> offered to send the full amount to an escrow agent, or to the
> distributor/panel-builder, but they reportedly said they would only
take
> cash. Makes me wonder why they would be operating like that. All I can
> come up with is that they are short of cash (maybe because of the
> Crossbow AHRS recall) and maybe even almost out of business. I would
> sure hate for anyone (especially me) to give them $27,000 and get
> absolutely nothing in return. Much bigger companies have gone bankrupt
> and taken customers deposits down the drain with them.
>
> Scott Keadle
> RV-10 in progress
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| Subject: | yasir sabri - End2Spam |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
If you follow the link it will add you to his list so he can get your
e-mails. I followed the link to see if you had to put in some kind of info,
and it just pulls up a page that says you were successfully added to his
list. It is a big pain in the neck that this gets dumped back from all list
messages, but one click of the mouse and it will be over. That's easier
than setting up a rule. By the way, yasir, it would be nice if there was a
way you could just let the list e-mails all through, since you did join the
list voluntarily.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: yasir sabri - End2Spam
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
In cases like this the mailbox rule wizard works fine. Unless you expect to
receive mail from yasir normally, create a rule to delete his (or others in
like circumstances) messages when received. You will still receive list mail
since it comes from matronics.com
Albert Gardner
-----Original Message-----
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
When I post to the matronics list I get an email back from yasir sabri
that says:
Hello, thank you for your email.
Due to the amount of spams I used to receive in my mailbox, I am using
End2Spam anti-spam service to protect my email inbox. If you want your
messages to reach me you will need to click on the link below.
[link removed]
Thanks and regards
yasir sabri
If this link appears broken in your email client, please copy and paste
the entire link in one line in your web browser.
What is this?
Larry Rosen
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: yasir sabri - End2Spam |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Yasir are you out there?
My concern is that the message below is spam and that the End2Spam
service is actually collecting email address to send out spam and not
eliminate it.
Is Yasir really a member of this list?
Jesse Saint wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
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>If you follow the link it will add you to his list so he can get your
>e-mails. I followed the link to see if you had to put in some kind of info,
>and it just pulls up a page that says you were successfully added to his
>list. It is a big pain in the neck that this gets dumped back from all list
>messages, but one click of the mouse and it will be over. That's easier
>than setting up a rule. By the way, yasir, it would be nice if there was a
>way you could just let the list e-mails all through, since you did join the
>list voluntarily.
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>Do not archive.
>
>Jesse Saint
>I-TEC, Inc.
>jesse@itecusa.org
>www.itecusa.org
>
>I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
>May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
>from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
>352-465-4545.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:57 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: yasir sabri - End2Spam
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
>
>In cases like this the mailbox rule wizard works fine. Unless you expect to
>receive mail from yasir normally, create a rule to delete his (or others in
>like circumstances) messages when received. You will still receive list mail
>since it comes from matronics.com
>Albert Gardner
>
>-----Original Message-----
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>When I post to the matronics list I get an email back from yasir sabri
>that says:
>Hello, thank you for your email.
>Due to the amount of spams I used to receive in my mailbox, I am using
>End2Spam anti-spam service to protect my email inbox. If you want your
>messages to reach me you will need to click on the link below.
> [link removed]
>Thanks and regards
>yasir sabri
>If this link appears broken in your email client, please copy and paste
>the entire link in one line in your web browser.
>What is this?
>Larry Rosen
>Do Not Archive
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Cool. I noticed the 3400 isn't on your website yet. Do you have a flyer you can
post to the group?
-Brian
#40497
N211BD
Iowa City, IA
----- Original Message -----
From: RobHickman@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special?
We have our Special Pricing for Sun-n-Fun
Dual Screen AF-3400 System Including the following:
1. AF-3400 EFIS
2. AF-3400 Engine Monitor
3. ALL Engine Probes and Sensors, Including Fuel Flow
4. External Magnetometer
Our AHRS is based on certified boards and software.
&
You don't pay anything until the system is ready to ship.
Booth D-92 Price: $6,999
Upgrade any Screen to the AF-3500 for only $400 each.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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| Subject: | Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Order through Stein and you can use the credit card and get your miles
Dan Lloyd
40269
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company)
going bankrupt?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Scott Schmidt"
<sschmidt@ussynthetic.com>
Scott is right when he says they won't take credit cards. But I don't
think they ever have. I do wish Direct 2 Avionics acted like Grand
Rapids or others where you only pay once the device is ready to ship.
But there are tons of companies in this industry that don't take credit
cards. Real bummer because the skymiles would have been nice for the
panel and Chelton system.
Scott Schmidt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company)
going bankrupt?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I have no statements of fact to give, only guestimates and opinions.
I don't know if I'd believe that they're cash short or ready to
go bankrupt. I guess you would never know if that were the case,
but I really doubt it. I have heard that the cost of the harnesses
may have been more than expected. I have heard in the past that the
cost of some of the components of the units themselves went up
back when they started with the G2 processors. But, I would guess
that this has more to do with the AHRS issue than anything else.
It is/was a significant hit to have to do the right thing and take
back the AHRS units and replace them with something reliable.
I would bet some chickens that they would want to recover some
of that outlay from Crossbow. Consider though what might happen
if they were unable to get some refund from Crossbow and they
already announced that they would support the existing base....
They still have to buy the new AHRS units to replace the old, and
the cash has to come from somewhere. In the end, the new purchasers
will end up with an improved system over what was offered previously.
I'm sure they would have liked to ask the past customers for more
money for the AHRS, but that was already a done deal. So it would
come from future sales. Again, that's just a guess.
As for the full payment issue, I had to pay for mine in full
almost a year ago, by the end of that particular week, if I wanted
to get the interconnect harnesses included with the purchase.
I know that people would *like* to put a deposit down on the
gear, and pay more later, but I don't see anything inherently
wrong with asking for full payment as long as you get an
accurate delivery timeline. It sure weeds out those who aren't
committed, of which I'm sure there are many.
Regarding the price increase, I am sure there will be many people
who are unhappy with that. It is a real hit. But, it's a little
over 10%, and even engines are taking healthy jumps as of late
also, so increases are just a fact of life. I can't say that I
know I would have gone the same route, had I been facing the same
price structure at the time of my decision...I just don't know.
What I can say is that knowing what I know today after flying
behind it, I know from that perspective that I'd make the same
choice again. There will be those people who were already predisposed
to not liking the higher price, or didn't see the added value.
Those customers were lost long ago. The ones I feel bad for
are the ones who will change their minds now, with the higher
price. Without flying behind it, I can understand the urge
to drop the plans and switch products. Everyone has to do
what they have to do, however, so if it doesn't fit the budget,
it just may not be do-able. I still advise watching the training
DVD, and if at all possible, fly behind the system before
turning it down. It would be worth a couple hundred bucks to
fly somewhere for the opportunity.
More in a different post...
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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scott@keadle.com wrote:
> I was planning to buy an SV-10 Chelton system for my panel this week,
> when I got the word that Direct2, the supplier/manufacturer, was only
> going to honor their quoted price ($26,900, discussed here
> previously) if they recieved full payment by the end of the week. I
> offered to send the full amount to an escrow agent, or to the
> distributor/panel-builder, but they reportedly said they would only
take
> cash. Makes me wonder why they would be operating like that. All I can
> come up with is that they are short of cash (maybe because of the
> Crossbow AHRS recall) and maybe even almost out of business. I would
> sure hate for anyone (especially me) to give them $27,000 and get
> absolutely nothing in return. Much bigger companies have gone bankrupt
> and taken customers deposits down the drain with them.
>
> Scott Keadle
> RV-10 in progress
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
Jesse Saint wrote:
>By the way, yasir, it would be nice if there was a
>way you could just let the list e-mails all through, since you did join the
>list voluntarily.
>
>
If it is setup properly, there is. I'm doing exactly that with my
e-mail
and the TMDA software (similar to "End2Spam"). He just needs to add
the matronics site to his whitelist of acceptable e-mails.
-Dj
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
Who is Abby and Flightline?
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703-414-6141
cell: 571-215-6134
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron Boots
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I have them from Abby at Flightline. Don't know how necessary they are,
but I figured they'd get rid of some drafts. I sealed my fuselage up
fairly well, and if there were a draft, it would come up
through the hole where the stick comes out. The aileron boots complete
the sealing to the wing area.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Roger Standley wrote:
>
> Anyone using or planning on using aileron boots in their RV-10?
Opinions
> for or against?
>
> Roger
> 40291 - Fuselage
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
Conti, Rick would like to recall the message, "RV10-List: Aileron Boots".
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| Subject: | Re: yasir sabri - End2Spam |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
I'd have to agree with Larry, that's what concerned me about following the
link.
It's really up to Yasir to fix it from his end to the list.
One change to suit all, not all change to suit one
John 40315
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Rosen" <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: yasir sabri - End2Spam
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Yasir are you out there?
> My concern is that the message below is spam and that the End2Spam service
> is actually collecting email address to send out spam and not eliminate
> it.
> Is Yasir really a member of this list?
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>>If you follow the link it will add you to his list so he can get your
>>e-mails. I followed the link to see if you had to put in some kind of
>>info,
>>and it just pulls up a page that says you were successfully added to his
>>list. It is a big pain in the neck that this gets dumped back from all
>>list
>>messages, but one click of the mouse and it will be over. That's easier
>>than setting up a rule. By the way, yasir, it would be nice if there was
>>a
>>way you could just let the list e-mails all through, since you did join
>>the
>>list voluntarily.
>>
>>Do not archive.
>>
>>Jesse Saint
>>I-TEC, Inc.
>>jesse@itecusa.org
>>www.itecusa.org
>> I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
>>May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
>>from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office
>>at
>>352-465-4545.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:57 PM
>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV10-List: yasir sabri - End2Spam
>>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
>>
>>In cases like this the mailbox rule wizard works fine. Unless you expect
>>to
>>receive mail from yasir normally, create a rule to delete his (or others
>>in
>>like circumstances) messages when received. You will still receive list
>>mail
>>since it comes from matronics.com
>>Albert Gardner
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>When I post to the matronics list I get an email back from yasir sabri
>>that says:
>>Hello, thank you for your email.
>>Due to the amount of spams I used to receive in my mailbox, I am using
>>End2Spam anti-spam service to protect my email inbox. If you want your
>>messages to reach me you will need to click on the link below.
>> [link removed]
>>Thanks and regards
>>yasir sabri
>>If this link appears broken in your email client, please copy and paste
>>the entire link in one line in your web browser.
>>What is this?
>>Larry Rosen
>>Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special? |
One other question, is the 3400 an EFIS and engine monitor only or also a
moving map and if so can it drive an autopilot?
Thanks,
Marcus
40286
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sponcil
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special?
Cool. I noticed the 3400 isn't on your website yet. Do you have a flyer you
can post to the group?
-Brian
#40497
N211BD
Iowa City, IA
----- Original Message -----
From: RobHickman@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special?
We have our Special Pricing for Sun-n-Fun
Dual Screen AF-3400 System Including the following:
1. AF-3400 EFIS
2. AF-3400 Engine Monitor
3. ALL Engine Probes and Sensors, Including Fuel Flow
4. External Magnetometer
Our AHRS is based on certified boards and software.
&
You don't pay anything until the system is ready to ship.
Booth D-92 Price: $6,999
Upgrade any Screen to the AF-3500 for only $400 each.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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| Subject: | Re: AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
I will send you a pdf of the literature off list.
I believe the system has attitude, speed, heading, and altitude, no
moving map.
Larry
Marcus Cooper wrote:
> One other question, is the 3400 an EFIS and engine monitor only or
> also a moving map and if so can it drive an autopilot?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marcus
>
> 40286
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Sponcil
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:14 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special?
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> Cool. I noticed the 3400 isn't on your website yet. Do you have a
> flyer you can post to the group?
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> -Brian
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> #40497
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> N211BD
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> Iowa City, IA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* RobHickman@aol.com <mailto:RobHickman@aol.com>
>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:55 PM
>
> *Subject:* RV10-List: AFS EFIS Sun-n-Fun Special?
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> We have our Special Pricing for Sun-n-Fun
>
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> Dual Screen AF-3400 System Including the following:
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> 1. AF-3400 EFIS
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> 2. AF-3400 Engine Monitor
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> 3. ALL Engine Probes and Sensors, Including Fuel Flow
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> 4. External Magnetometer
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> Our AHRS is based on certified boards and software.
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> You don't pay anything until the system is ready to ship.
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> Booth D-92 Price: $6,999
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> Upgrade any Screen to the AF-3500 for only $400 each.
>
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> Rob Hickman
>
> Advanced Flight Systems
>
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Jesse,
We are using a B2B5 and there is no problem with FIT. The motor mount fit great
also. I may be able to get some pics if you want..........
Dean
40445
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Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
Jesse,
We are using a B2B5 and there is no problem with FIT. The motor mount fit great
also. I may be able to get some pics if you want..........
Dean
40445
Do not archive
Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
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| Subject: | fire suppression |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Anyone installing a fire suppression system? I have one mounted in my
Glastar under the panel, which discharges into the carb intake box and over
the engine. I am considering a similar approach for the 10 i.e. over the
engine and into the tunnel.
check
http://www.ioportracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FRS10&Category_Code=FES
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| Subject: | Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company) going bankrupt? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Dan, that is a great piece of valuable information and a needed plug for
someone adding real value to the RV-10 community. I think Tim would
echo your sentiment even if he didn't get his air miles.
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lloyd, Daniel
R.
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Is Direct2 (Chelton's experimental company)
going bankrupt?
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Order through Stein and you can use the credit card and get your miles
Dan Lloyd
40269
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Boots |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com>
Isn't there a chemical problem with off the shelf store RTV? Did you use some
special stuff?
Jim C
#40192
Fuselage (Still slugging my way through)
============================================================
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aileron Boots
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I filled it with a gob of clear RTV and kind of smoothed it
to look halfway good.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Tim, How did you seal the hole in the fuse that the landing gear protrudes?
>
> Larry
>
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>> .... What I can say is that I sealed the hole in the fuse down
>> by the landing gear on the belly at the corner of the skin,.....
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Boots |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You're right that some flavors of RTV are acetic acid based or something
like that, and some aren't. In general, the "sensor safe" ones should
have no effect for you. The regular ones can be corrosive to aluminum.
I did call permatex though and ask them about the corrosive effects
and they told me that once its cured it would be no problem. I used
the Van's recommended 26B red on some baffle parts....no problem, and
that's not the sensor safe stuff....it's actually my favorite. On this
hole I used clear, which I'm sure is acid based, but not only was I
applying it on a painted area, but even if it wasn't painted, I really
don't think there's much to worry about in most applications. Take
some and squirt it on some scrap and look at it a month later. You'll
see what I mean. I'm sure it would look the same years later too, if
it cured well.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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jim@CombsFive.Com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com>
>
> Isn't there a chemical problem with off the shelf store RTV? Did you use some
special stuff?
>
> Jim C
> #40192
> Fuselage (Still slugging my way through)
>
> ============================================================
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Date: 2006/03/30 Thu AM 11:16:21 EST
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aileron Boots
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I filled it with a gob of clear RTV and kind of smoothed it
> to look halfway good.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Larry Rosen wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> Tim, How did you seal the hole in the fuse that the landing gear protrudes?
>>
>> Larry
>>
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>>> .... What I can say is that I sealed the hole in the fuse down
>>> by the landing gear on the belly at the corner of the skin,.....
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Boots |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Just checked out the MSDS sheets for the permatex blue 6B and 26B and
both say "When this product is exposed to moisture acetic acid may be
formed" I assume that this is prior to drying. But the red is
recommended by vans and the blue is sensor safe.
Both the Ultra blue and the Ultra Copper (high temp) do not have acetic
acid mentioned on their MSDS.
Link here
<http://www.permatex.com/products/automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_makers.htm>
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Boots |
Do you have the MSDS sheets available for GE 109 RTV? It is a silver color.
I use the following steps to get a finished surface to RTV.
1.) Wash off the area where the RTV is going to be applied with soap and
water, then dry.
2.) Tape off the area around where you are going to apply the RTV.
3.) Apply the RTV and use something like a popsicle stick or tongue
depressor to scrape off the excess RTV. This is the messy part, so have something
to
put the excess RTV into, like a paper towel or cup.
4.) Carefully remove the tape immediately, while the RTV is still wet.
5.) Use green soap, or liquid soap, on your finger to smooth out the RTV
bead into the area your sealing. This should give the RTV surface a gloss
finish, feather the edge of the RTV onto the surfaces, and the soap on your finger
won't let the RTV stick to your finger.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 03/30/2006 8:38:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
LarryRosen@comcast.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Just checked out the MSDS sheets for the permatex blue 6B and 26B and
both say "When this product is exposed to moisture acetic acid may be
formed" I assume that this is prior to drying. But the red is
recommended by vans and the blue is sensor safe.
Both the Ultra blue and the Ultra Copper (high temp) do not have acetic
acid mentioned on their MSDS.
Link here
<http://www.permatex.com/products/automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_maker
s.htm>
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron Boots |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
I checked our airline product stock and found the follow RTV products as
safe. RTV Clear #108, RTV gray #157, RTV white #102, and RTV white
#162. We also use 31, 103, 106, 109, 157, 159, 730 (solvent resistant)
and 738 (electrical sealant - white) but I haven't confirmed all of the
colors yet.
http://www.dowcorning.com/applications/product_finder/products.aspx
John - KUAO
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aileron Boots
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Just checked out the MSDS sheets for the permatex blue 6B and 26B and
both say "When this product is exposed to moisture acetic acid may be
formed" I assume that this is prior to drying. But the red is
recommended by vans and the blue is sensor safe.
Both the Ultra blue and the Ultra Copper (high temp) do not have acetic
acid mentioned on their MSDS.
Link here
<http://www.permatex.com/products/automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket
_makers.htm>
Larry
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