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1. 02:56 AM - Re: S&F - Tim's -10 (Russell Daves)
2. 05:40 AM - Re: S&F - Tim's -10 (Dan Masys)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: S&F - Tim's -10 (Jesse Saint)
4. 09:50 AM - Fw: noise levels in the 10 (Evan and Megan Johnson)
5. 10:12 AM - Re: Where to start on QB fuse? [step wobble] (Eric Panning)
6. 10:12 AM - fiberglass panels (Bev and Jim Sinkbeil)
7. 10:40 AM - Re: fiberglass panels ()
8. 11:15 AM - Static Ports (John Jessen)
9. 05:49 PM - Re: Where to start on QB fuse? [step wobble] (PJ Seipel)
10. 05:53 PM - O2 systems - Was: S&F - Tim's -10 (Tim Olson)
11. 05:57 PM - Re: Where to start on QB fuse? [step wobble] (Tim Olson)
12. 05:59 PM - Re: fiberglass panels (Tim Olson)
13. 06:00 PM - Re: Static Ports (Tim Olson)
14. 09:01 PM - ELT Antenna (Richard Sipp)
15. 10:05 PM - Re: ELT Antenna (Mark Chamberlain)
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Cc: <stein@steinair.com>
| Subject: | Re: S&F - Tim's -10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
Dear Byron:
You want be disappointed in having Stein build your panel. He is a really
great guy, and he will do you a really good job. Just remember that Stein,
like everybody else is at the mercy of the suppliers in getting your
instruments installed. I had to wait a number of months because of the
backlog on equipment deliveries but Stein really went to bat for me and I
couldn't be happier.
The head of the local avionics shop, who also has an international division
and works all over the world, stopped by and looked at the panel Stein built
and was VERY impressed.
Russ Daves
#40044
Engine & Prop mounted
----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: S&F - Tim's -10
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net>
>
>
> Hey Tim:
>
> See that you are checking in on the forum again. Sorry I missed you @
> S&F but the plane looks great. I was there Wednesday and Thursday
> morning. There was a steady group around the display. It was a pleasure
> to meet several other -10 builders and actually see a -10 in person -
> kind of made me ready to get back and complete the fiberglass work and
> get the engine mounted.
>
> This trip was a decision base as I had to make some final decisions on
> the panel and get it rolling. I bit the bullet and went for the Chelton
> duals, had some good discussions with "Stein" and made a decision to let
> him do the panel.
>
> This was my first fly-in (although I drove down) - pretty impressive.
> The wife even had a great time and is talking about next year.
>
> Looking forward to hearing some of the other reports as they flow in....
>
> Byron Gillespie
> #40253 Finishing kit
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: S&F - Tim's -10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Date: 2006/04/07 Fri PM 09:33:36 EDT
> Anyone have any advice on who's el'cheapo portable O2 system is the best bet?
That's about the only big thing I'm shopping for.
I have a Mountain High O2 tank mounted in my -7 and have found their systems to
be well designed, with lots of different options. Plus, at every fly-in where
they set up a booth, they will refill your O2 tank for free. It's one of the
reasons I go to OSH every year :-).
-Dan Masys
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We went with the 4-place Sky Ox bottle and are very happy with it.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: S&F - Tim's -10
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Absolutely I'll see y'all there. It's only an hour by -10 for me
to OSH. I'll have only a couple photos from SNF to post...it's
been busy by the plane with questions. If anyone else takes
-10 related SNF photos, send them on over to me and I'll post
some highlights of SNF for the builders. Include comments
and I can add that to the page with credit to you.
I know there are some interesting things. RV-10 A/C,
a new RV-10 TruTrak AP, Henkjan brought his locking door latches
to check out (very nice at maybe $200/pr ballpark (don't hold him
to that)), and lots of other cool stuff as well. I only wish
I had time to check it all out.
Anyone have any advice on who's el'cheapo portable O2 system is
the best bet? That's about the only big thing I'm shopping
for. I don't want a permanent install right now, and probably
won't use it often because of the kids, but it would be nice
to have for some trip legs. I may end up in San Diego this
summer.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Dan Masys wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
>> From: "Byron Gillespie" <bgill1@charter.net> Date: 2006/04/07 Fri
>> PM 08:05:00 EDT
>
>> Sorry I missed you @ S&F but the plane looks great.
>
> These SnF posts got me thinking I ought to just jump in the RV-7 and
> fly down to Lakeland tomorrow (only 550 nm - no biggee ;-) ). Then
> the monster cold front that was spawning T-storms and tornadoes (saw
> my first-ever funnel cloud today...) in the neighborhood and across
> the southeast convinced me that it actually would be a good weekend
> to just stay home and pound some more rivets. Oh well, see y'all at
> OSH.
>
> -Dan Masys #40448
>
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| Subject: | Fw: noise levels in the 10 |
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan and Megan Johnson
Cc: rv-10list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:46 AM
Subject: noise levels in the 10
I have been researching sound deadening techniques for my RV 10 project and was
interested to know if anybody has measured cabin noise with a DB meter. Obviously
I am most interested in the 10 but would love to hear of the other models
as well. It would be really great if somebody has measured before and after sound
proofing their plane. Pretty hard on the 10 because of the double floors....you
have to install the soundproof materials before pop riveting down the floor
panels. If anybody is going to Vans for a test ride anytime soon maybe we
could get a sound level from one of their planes to use as a baseline. Vans builds
their planes as light as possible so they will be as loud as you can get.
Just for fun I looked up the sound levels in the Cirrus SR20....95 dBA in cruise.
Much louder than I would have expected.
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
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| Subject: | Where to start on QB fuse? [step wobble] |
Photo's attached. I used scrap channel and flat stock
for parts. If you have not started yet, build the
doubler before you dimple the rib and it will go
easier.
Planned access panel location shown. this is same as
stall warning sensor panel on wing (order more from
Vans)
When I get to installing the step itself I will add
more j-channel to inner rib.
Eric
--- John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
> <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Please do post the pictures, if handy.
>
> John Jessen
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Eric Panning
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:12 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Where to start on QB fuse?
> [step wobble]
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
> --> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>
> I put in a doubler plate and some J channel to
> strengthen the step attach
> point. I can dig up and attach the pics if there is
> interest. Also ordered
> extra stall warning sensor access panels and will be
> putting these in the
> baggage floor to access the step attach hardware.
> (also for inspection, etc)
>
> Eric
>
> --- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> > <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> > My steps wobble a little too. The fit isn't super
> tight, and
> > depending on how perfectly and proper sized you
> drill the holes you
> > may get a little slop. I think as long as you
> don't let it get out of
> > hand and oblong the holes you probably have no
> worries. If so, you
> > could always come up with a gap fill material on
> one half if
> > necessary.
> >
> > Thanks for the comments on the plane. There are a
> LOT of people
> > coming and talking to me about it. Today was my
> first day hanging out
> > at the show.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> > > I had the opportunity to fly the factory 10
> > Thursday (w Gus) at
> > > SnF--actually at Plant City AP...the step on the
> > right side sure wobbled
> > > as a got up and down on it; is that normal?
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > ps...Tim's 10 is just outstanding!!!!
> >
>
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Cc: "Brian Sinkbeil" <sink29@hotmail.com>
| Subject: | fiberglass panels |
When we wanted a fiberglass panel, we could not find a suitable one at what
we felt was an affordable price. So we stopped RV-10 building for a month, made
molds and started producing our own panel. We've worked hard to make a good,
versatile product. We have available a switch rail and 3 different sizes of
offset radio stacks that can be located anywhere on the panel. An example of
one that has been completed is General Grumpy's.........photos can be found
in the archives. If you don't find the photos, let me know and I can forward
them.
This panel, as well as ones for the RV-6,7, & 9 are available from SteinAir
or direct from my son, Brian Sinkbeil, who lives outside of Corvallis OR. (541-231-9424
or sink29@hotmail.com). Prices are $400 per panel and $25 per switch
rail or radio stack.
Jim Sinkbeil.........N212JS RV-7A flying, N203JJ RV-10 painted and awaiting
panel
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| Subject: | Re: fiberglass panels |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gorejr@bellsouth.net>
Jim,
My name is Jim Gore and I am Building an RV-10. Would also like to purchase a
fiberglass panel. Could you please send those pics and a contact for purchase.
Thanks Jim Gore MD
>
> From: "Bev and Jim Sinkbeil" <bevandjim@clearwire.net>
> Date: 2006/04/08 Sat PM 01:12:31 EDT
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> CC: "Brian Sinkbeil" <sink29@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: fiberglass panels
>
> When we wanted a fiberglass panel, we could not find a suitable one at what
we felt was an affordable price. So we stopped RV-10 building for a month,
made molds and started producing our own panel. We've worked hard to make a good,
versatile product. We have available a switch rail and 3 different sizes
of offset radio stacks that can be located anywhere on the panel. An example
of one that has been completed is General Grumpy's.........photos can be found
in the archives. If you don't find the photos, let me know and I can forward
them.
> This panel, as well as ones for the RV-6,7, & 9 are available from SteinAir
or direct from my son, Brian Sinkbeil, who lives outside of Corvallis OR. (541-231-9424
or sink29@hotmail.com). Prices are $400 per panel and $25 per switch
rail or radio stack.
> Jim Sinkbeil.........N212JS RV-7A flying, N203JJ RV-10 painted and awaiting
panel
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Question for those who are flying. Which static port are you using and have
you had any problems in terms of readings? Any recommendations for or
against? I'm at the stage where I want to order one and get the head
installed before closing up the cone.
Thanks,
John Jessen
~328 (keep those names coming for listing on the site.)
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| Subject: | Re: Where to start on QB fuse? [step wobble] |
--> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
Don't have a pic yet of them installed, but this is what the access
panel looks like installed. Sounds like several of us had the same
idea. Just remember that you have to drill the step so that you can put
the bolt in sideways...You can't get the access panel far enough
outboard that the bolt will go in vertically.
PJ
RV-10 #40032
Eric Panning wrote:
> Photo's attached. I used scrap channel and flat stock
> for parts. If you have not started yet, build the
> doubler before you dimple the rib and it will go
> easier.
>
> Planned access panel location shown. this is same as
> stall warning sensor panel on wing (order more from
> Vans)
>
> When I get to installing the step itself I will add
> more j-channel to inner rib.
>
> Eric
>
>
>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Well, it looks like the O2 system information for -10's will be
as broad as the number of O2 system vendors. I picked up a
portable system today.
At present, I know that Dan has Mountain High's system (I'm
assuming a portable, right Dan?), and Randy has Mountain
High's high-end pulse system.
Jesse has Sky-Ox.
Russ Daves has Aerox, portable but semi-permanent mounted.
And I just bought the Precise Flight (Nelson) portable 4-place
system today.
I didn't know which way to go, so this a.m. and last night I
read a little on them online. The mountain high stuff looks
very nice, but generally costs a little more I think. One
other vendor (Aerox) told me that MH uses plastic fittings.
No big deal I guess.
The SkyOx system looked good too. At first I thought it might
be nice to have a single adjustment knob for all 4 places....then
I read and realized that each person may not want/need the same
amount, so there is a drawback, depending on your needs. Otherwise
the system seemed fine.
The Aerox seemed pretty good too. I almost went with it, and
was looking for things to nit-pick to help me decide between
Precise Flight and Aerox. They use the same cannulas, and
offered much the same stuff. The aerox uses needle valves on
the regulator. I thought maybe that depending on what bangs
into it, it might not be as durable as an inline meter. Also,
it means the guy running the system will need to be very close
to that valve.
In the end, The Aerox was just a few bucks more, if I bought
their carry case, and they only included 4 cannulas, meters,
and one mask.
From Precise Flight, I got 4 cannulas, 4 meters, 4 masks, (1
cannula and mask was kids sized), and the carrying case, with
an M Bottle. The aerox was something like $631+59 for the case.
The Precise Flight was $675 for the whole thing. The only thing
I may want to add later is the demand units that can be attached
inline to conserve O2, which would run maybe $375-450 (ea)
depending on special pricing if bought during the show. I'll
have to see how much use the system gets between now and OSH.
The Aerox does have a better warranty...the P.F. is 2 years.
I did download and read the Aviation Consumer article on the
various O2 systems before buying. In general, their main
complaint about some of the others was the case, mounting,
or individual adjustments. They chose the Precise Flight,
and I trusted that it would be a reasonable choice. I don't
really think it's a drastic difference between any of them,
so everyone will probably be generally happy with what they
have. I hope I get enough use out of mine.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Dan Masys wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Date: 2006/04/07 Fri PM 09:33:36
>> EDT
>
>> Anyone have any advice on who's el'cheapo portable O2 system is the
>> best bet? That's about the only big thing I'm shopping for.
>
> I have a Mountain High O2 tank mounted in my -7 and have found their
> systems to be well designed, with lots of different options. Plus,
> at every fly-in where they set up a booth, they will refill your O2
> tank for free. It's one of the reasons I go to OSH every year :-).
>
> -Dan Masys
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where to start on QB fuse? [step wobble] |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I think this is a very very good modification. You'll be
really happy down the road if you ever have an issue, but
you're also well-prepared to not have any issues.
Very good, Eric.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Eric Panning wrote:
> Photo's attached. I used scrap channel and flat stock
> for parts. If you have not started yet, build the
> doubler before you dimple the rib and it will go
> easier.
>
> Planned access panel location shown. this is same as
> stall warning sensor panel on wing (order more from
> Vans)
>
> When I get to installing the step itself I will add
> more j-channel to inner rib.
>
> Eric
>
> --- John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
>> <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> Please do post the pictures, if handy.
>>
>> John Jessen
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
>> Behalf Of Eric Panning
>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:12 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Where to start on QB fuse?
>> [step wobble]
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
>> --> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>>
>> I put in a doubler plate and some J channel to
>> strengthen the step attach
>> point. I can dig up and attach the pics if there is
>> interest. Also ordered
>> extra stall warning sensor access panels and will be
>> putting these in the
>> baggage floor to access the step attach hardware.
>> (also for inspection, etc)
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> --- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>>> <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> My steps wobble a little too. The fit isn't super
>> tight, and
>>> depending on how perfectly and proper sized you
>> drill the holes you
>>> may get a little slop. I think as long as you
>> don't let it get out of
>>> hand and oblong the holes you probably have no
>> worries. If so, you
>>> could always come up with a gap fill material on
>> one half if
>>> necessary.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the comments on the plane. There are a
>> LOT of people
>>> coming and talking to me about it. Today was my
>> first day hanging out
>>> at the show.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
>>>> I had the opportunity to fly the factory 10
>>> Thursday (w Gus) at
>>>> SnF--actually at Plant City AP...the step on the
>>> right side sure wobbled
>>>> as a got up and down on it; is that normal?
>>>>
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>> ps...Tim's 10 is just outstanding!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> FAQ,
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| Subject: | Re: fiberglass panels |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Jim,
Photos aren't archived, but if you want me to post them on my
site, just send them along with some description to post and
I can do that for you.
If your panels are the ones I saw at Steins, they look very
good, esp. for the price.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bev and Jim Sinkbeil wrote:
> When we wanted a fiberglass panel, we could not find a suitable one
> at what we felt was an affordable price. So we stopped RV-10 building
> for a month, made molds and started producing our own panel. We've
> worked hard to make a good, versatile product. We have available a
> switch rail and 3 different sizes of offset radio stacks that can be
> located anywhere on the panel. An example of one that has been
> completed is General Grumpy's.........photos can be found in the
> archives. If you don't find the photos, let me know and I can forward them.
> This panel, as well as ones for the RV-6,7, & 9 are available from
> SteinAir or direct from my son, Brian Sinkbeil, who lives outside of
> Corvallis OR. (541-231-9424 or sink29@hotmail.com
> <mailto:sink29@hotmail.com>). Prices are $400 per panel and $25 per
> switch rail or radio stack.
> Jim Sinkbeil.........N212JS RV-7A flying, N203JJ RV-10 painted
> and awaiting panel
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Data-point 1: Cleavelands, and no problems. They seem very good.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Question for those who are flying. Which static port are you using and have
> you had any problems in terms of readings? Any recommendations for or
> against? I'm at the stage where I want to order one and get the head
> installed before closing up the cone.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (keep those names coming for listing on the site.)
>
>
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Looking for some ideas on a location to mount the ELT antenna other than on top
of the fuselage.
I am thinking about mounting on a corner plate where the top longeron meets the
rear baggage bulkhead with the wire end secured in a cushion clamp.
Other ideas?
Thanks
Dick Sipp
40065
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I put my ELT on the aft deck between the trim cables after I saw Vans' there. I
have the antenna attached to the last bulkhead of the tailcone where the top
skin ends, facing aft and protruding under the fiberglass intersection fairing.
Works great, lasts a long time. Mark(40016) 50hrs
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