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1. 04:44 AM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 04/08/06 (Buhwana)
2. 06:36 AM - Re: fiberglass panels (John N. Strain II)
3. 06:53 AM - fuse stand (Robert G. Wright)
4. 08:32 AM - Re: fuse stand ()
5. 09:06 AM - Re: fiberglass panels (John W. Cox)
6. 09:23 AM - Re: fiberglass panels (John Jessen)
7. 10:04 AM - Re: fiberglass panels (John W. Cox)
8. 11:33 AM - Re: Where to start on QB fuse? [step wobble] (Eric Panning)
9. 11:46 AM - Sun n Fun - F22 (LIKE2LOOP@AOL.COM)
10. 11:51 AM - Sun n Fun - VAN (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
11. 12:06 PM - Sun n Fun - Olsons Departing. (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
12. 02:18 PM - Re: fuse stand (Rick)
13. 03:51 PM - Re: Sun n Fun - Olsons Departing. (Tim Olson)
14. 04:01 PM - Re: O2 systems - Was: S&F - Tim's -10 (Jesse Saint)
15. 04:03 PM - Re: ELT Antenna (Jesse Saint)
16. 04:38 PM - Re: Sun n Fun - Olsons Departing (Cruise #'s ??) (Marcus Cooper)
17. 05:00 PM - Re: Sun n Fun - Olsons Departing (Cruise #'s ??) (Tim Olson)
18. 05:17 PM - Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy (Ralph E. Capen)
19. 06:11 PM - Re: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy (Marcus Cooper)
20. 06:23 PM - Re: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy (Ralph E. Capen)
21. 06:29 PM - Re: O2 systems - Was: S&F - Tim's -10 (Dan Masys)
22. 06:33 PM - Re: ELT Antenna (Dan Masys)
23. 07:12 PM - Sun-N-Fun Trip Performance Notes (Tim Olson)
24. 07:13 PM - Re: O2 systems - Was: S&F - Tim's -10 (Tim Olson)
25. 07:30 PM - NAV Antenna Choices and Range (Tim Olson)
26. 08:00 PM - Re: NAV Antenna Choices and Range (Dan Masys)
27. 08:50 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun Trip Performance Notes (Richard Sipp)
28. 10:15 PM - Re: NAV Antenna Choices and Range (Tim Olson)
29. 10:18 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun Trip Performance Notes (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 04/08/06 |
108 DB without interior carpet or seats installed. Seats were
temporary. On takeoff from outside and below, midfield with
aerocomposite , 3 bladed prop, 90 DB. compare that to a 180hp skyhawk
at 94db. Of course the -10 was higher when passing passing overhead,
about 150 feet compared to 100, due to better climb rate. Will get
numbers when interior installed.
Tom
RV10 rider in 533JD
On Apr 9, 2006, at 1:57 AM, RV10-List Digest Server wrote:
> I have been researching sound deadening techniques for my RV 10
> project and was
> interested to know if anybody has measured cabin noise with a DB
> meter. Obviously
> I am most interested in the 10 but would love to hear of the other
> models
> as well. It would be really great if somebody has measured before
> and after sound
> proofing their plane. Pretty hard on the 10 because of the double
> floors....you
> have to install the soundproof materials before pop riveting down
> the floor
> panels. If anybody is going to Vans for a test ride anytime soon
> maybe we
> could get a sound level from one of their planes to use as a
> baseline. Vans builds
> their planes as light as possible so they will be as loud as you
> can get.
> Just for fun I looked up the sound levels in the Cirrus SR20....95
> dBA in cruise.
> Much louder than I would have expected.
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| Subject: | Re: fiberglass panels |
Concerning panel and overhead,
One has been designed for Ed Hadley's plane in Hillsboro is getting quite a reception
at S-n-F is by a new company in Bend, Or. Accuracy Avionics is the name
and the flier says the phone is 866-kit-panl. Also has Ed's canopy with an
overhead built into it designed to hook up with the AC system offered by Flightline
AC also of Bend. They are offering a complete ac system for $5,500.00
and Ed will also be the first recipient of that system also. Their number is
541-330-5466. They do have a $500.00 off special at the S-n-F show for any who
are there requiring a 50% deposit.
gorejr@bellsouth.net wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by:
Jim,
My name is Jim Gore and I am Building an RV-10. Would also like to purchase a fiberglass
panel. Could you please send those pics and a contact for purchase.
Thanks Jim Gore MD
>
> From: "Bev and Jim Sinkbeil"
> Date: 2006/04/08 Sat PM 01:12:31 EDT
> To:
> CC: "Brian Sinkbeil"
> Subject: RV10-List: fiberglass panels
>
> When we wanted a fiberglass panel, we could not find a suitable one at what we
felt was an affordable price. So we stopped RV-10 building for a month, made
molds and started producing our own panel. We've worked hard to make a good,
versatile product. We have available a switch rail and 3 different sizes of offset
radio stacks that can be located anywhere on the panel. An example of one
that has been completed is General Grumpy's.........photos can be found in the
archives. If you don't find the photos, let me know and I can forward them.
> This panel, as well as ones for the RV-6,7, & 9 are available from SteinAir or
direct from my son, Brian Sinkbeil, who lives outside of Corvallis OR. (541-231-9424
or sink29@hotmail.com). Prices are $400 per panel and $25 per switch
rail or radio stack.
> Jim Sinkbeil.........N212JS RV-7A flying, N203JJ RV-10 painted and awaiting panel
>
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I've got Rick's fuse stand pics, but wondering if Van's has a recommended
way to make the pallet stand that folks talk about. Sounds like a couple of
pallets screwed together with casters on the bottom will work.?
Rob #392
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I bolted on a set of tires using 2" aluminum angle. It allowed me to roll the
fuselage in and out of the garage. It turned to to be about a good height for
me to reach over the top longerons to work.
Made fiting the fiberglass cabin top easy too.
Jim Combs
N312F
#40192 - Fuselage
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| Subject: | fiberglass panels |
Ed Hayden of Hayden Properties and it's a beautiful job to see in
person. The powerplant is not bad either! But I think it will put him
in the category of flying RV-10s that are suppose to fall out of the sky
for violating the Hard Line of no more than 260 hp. Guess you could put
a throttle limiter at 55% power and mark everything else Military Power.
Tony did the panel work for Randy DeBauw (N610RV) last year at SNF for
you trivia buffs. The very best to the guys at Accuracy and Flightline
AC for understanding the spelling of Market Force aircraft and
responding to the ever increasing need for fair pricing and innovation.
John Cox - KUAO
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John N.
Strain II
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: fiberglass panels
Concerning panel and overhead,
One has been designed for Ed Hadley's plane in Hillsboro is getting
quite a reception at S-n-F is by a new company in Bend, Or. Accuracy
Avionics is the name and the flier says the phone is 866-kit-panl. Also
has Ed's canopy with an overhead built into it designed to hook up with
the AC system offered by Flightline AC also of Bend. They are offering
a complete ac system for $5,500.00 and Ed will also be the first
recipient of that system also. Their number is 541-330-5466. They do
have a $500.00 off special at the S-n-F show for any who are there
requiring a 50% deposit.
gorejr@bellsouth.net wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by:
=09
Jim,
My name is Jim Gore and I am Building an RV-10. Would also like
to purchase a fiberglass panel. Could you please send those pics and a
contact for purchase. Thanks Jim Gore MD
>
> From: "Bev and Jim Sinkbeil"
> Date: 2006/04/08 Sat PM 01:12:31 EDT
> To:
> CC: "Brian Sinkbeil"
> Subject: RV10-List: fiberglass panels
>
> When we wanted a fiberglass panel, we could not find a
suitable one at what we felt was an affordable price. So we stopped
RV-10 building for a month, made molds and started producing our own
panel. We've worked hard to make a good, versatile product. We have
available a switch rail and 3 different sizes of offset radio stacks
that can be located anywhere on the panel. An example of one that has
been completed is General Grumpy's.........photos can be found in the
archives. If you don't find the photos, let me know and I can forward
them.
> This panel, as well as ones for the RV-6,7, & 9
=09
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| Subject: | fiberglass panels |
Yeah, but can someone with one of those new fangled, gee whiz, instomatic,
automagic electronic cameras take a picture and put it where I can see the
magic! Before the show closes........
Do not archive
John Jessen
~328 (Tailcone)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fiberglass panels
Ed Hayden of Hayden Properties and it's a beautiful job to see in person.
The powerplant is not bad either! But I think it will put him in the
category of flying RV-10s that are suppose to fall out of the sky for
violating the Hard Line of no more than 260 hp. Guess you could put a
throttle limiter at 55% power and mark everything else Military Power. Tony
did the panel work for Randy DeBauw (N610RV) last year at SNF for you
trivia buffs. The very best to the guys at Accuracy and Flightline AC for
understanding the spelling of Market Force aircraft and responding to the
ever increasing need for fair pricing and innovation.
John Cox - KUAO
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John N. Strain II
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: fiberglass panels
Concerning panel and overhead,
One has been designed for Ed Hadley's plane in Hillsboro is getting quite a
reception at S-n-F is by a new company in Bend, Or. Accuracy Avionics is
the name and the flier says the phone is 866-kit-panl. Also has Ed's canopy
with an overhead built into it designed to hook up with the AC system
offered by Flightline AC also of Bend. They are offering a complete ac
system for $5,500.00 and Ed will also be the first recipient of that system
also. Their number is 541-330-5466. They do have a $500.00 off special at
the S-n-F show for any who are there requiring a 50% deposit.
gorejr@bellsouth.net wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by:
Jim,
My name is Jim Gore and I am Building an RV-10. Would also like to purchase
a fiberglass panel. Could you please send those pics and a contact for
purchase. Thanks Jim Gore MD
>
> From: "Bev and Jim Sinkbeil"
> Date: 2006/04/08 Sat PM 01:12:31 EDT
> To:
> CC: "Brian Sinkbeil"
> Subject: RV10-List: fiberglass panels
>
> When we wanted a fiberglass panel, we could not find a suitable one at
what we felt was an affordable price. So we stopped RV-10 building for a
month, made molds and started producing our own panel. We've worked hard to
make a good, versatile product. We have available a switch rail and 3
different sizes of offset radio stacks that can be located anywhere on the
panel. An example of one that has been completed is General
Grumpy's.........photos can be found in the archives. If you don't find the
photos, let me know and I can forward them.
> This panel, as well as ones for the RV-6,7, & 9
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| Subject: | fiberglass panels |
I would expect nothing less from RV-10 University, Professor Olson upon
his northern migration this morning. Included should be Tim's
cross-country report on how Colleen and Danielle did and how the WSI
performed. For many that I have conversed with from Lakeland, SNF has a
self-inflated view of their own value and overcharges for everything....
Thinking they are an equal to that small get together in Tim's state in
July. I have been surprised at the silence on this site all week and
looking forward to the earth shaking announcements just like last year.
The delay may just be the Doppler Effect and my personally held
perception that the center of the universe for Kitplanes is on the Wet
Coast. I support Mike's decision to pass on SNF '2006 for more
receptive promotions. Sorry I missed the experience but shifting quickly
to the need for a pilgrimage east in July to get the FIX.
John
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fiberglass panels
Yeah, but can someone with one of those new fangled, gee whiz,
instomatic, automagic electronic cameras take a picture and put it where
I can see the magic! Before the show closes........
Do not archive
John Jessen
~328 (Tailcone)
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fiberglass panels
Ed Hayden of Hayden Properties and it's a beautiful job to see in
person. The powerplant is not bad either! But I think it will put him
in the category of flying RV-10s that are suppose to fall out of the sky
for violating the Hard Line of no more than 260 hp. Guess you could put
a throttle limiter at 55% power and mark everything else Military Power.
Tony did the panel work for Randy DeBauw (N610RV) last year at SNF for
you trivia buffs. The very best to the guys at Accuracy and Flightline
AC for understanding the spelling of Market Force aircraft and
responding to the ever increasing need for fair pricing and innovation.
John Cox - KUAO
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| Subject: | Re: Where to start on QB fuse? [step wobble] |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
Thanks Tim - Glad you liked it,
For those considering similar, I forgot to mention
that due to the j-channel there is one rivet on the
underside that you will have to put in an MK-319-BS or
similar. Also make sure that the j-channel and doubler
don't interfere and rub on adjacent parts in the
installed position and leave a little room for flex.
I was motivated by having to recently rework the step
and step area on my Cherokee 180. I caught mine in
time before it started to corrode but the dissimilar
metals make this a challenging area.
Eric
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--- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I think this is a very very good modification.
> You'll be
> really happy down the road if you ever have an
> issue, but
> you're also well-prepared to not have any issues.
> Very good, Eric.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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>
> Eric Panning wrote:
> > Photo's attached. I used scrap channel and flat
> stock
> > for parts. If you have not started yet, build the
> > doubler before you dimple the rib and it will go
> > easier.
> >
> > Planned access panel location shown. this is same
> as
> > stall warning sensor panel on wing (order more
> from
> > Vans)
> >
> > When I get to installing the step itself I will
> add
> > more j-channel to inner rib.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > --- John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
> >> <jjessen@rcn.com>
> >>
> >> Please do post the pictures, if handy.
> >>
> >> John Jessen
> >>
> >> Do Not Archive
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Eric Panning
> >> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 5:12 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Where to start on QB
> fuse?
> >> [step wobble]
> >>
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
> >> --> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> I put in a doubler plate and some J channel to
> >> strengthen the step attach
> >> point. I can dig up and attach the pics if there
> is
> >> interest. Also ordered
> >> extra stall warning sensor access panels and will
> be
> >> putting these in the
> >> baggage floor to access the step attach hardware.
> >> (also for inspection, etc)
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> --- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> >>> <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >>>
> >>> Patrick,
> >>>
> >>> My steps wobble a little too. The fit isn't
> super
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> >>> depending on how perfectly and proper sized you
> >> drill the holes you
> >>> may get a little slop. I think as long as you
> >> don't let it get out of
> >>> hand and oblong the holes you probably have no
> >> worries. If so, you
> >>> could always come up with a gap fill material on
> >> one half if
> >>> necessary.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the comments on the plane. There are
> a
> >> LOT of people
> >>> coming and talking to me about it. Today was my
> >> first day hanging out
> >>> at the show.
> >>>
> >>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> >>> do not archive
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> >>> GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> >>>> I had the opportunity to fly the factory 10
> >>> Thursday (w Gus) at
> >>>> SnF--actually at Plant City AP...the step on
> the
> >>> right side sure wobbled
> >>>> as a got up and down on it; is that normal?
> >>>>
> >>>> Patrick
> >>>>
> >>>> ps...Tim's 10 is just outstanding!!!!
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It was at Sun n Fun and i know, I know, it is not a homebuilt!!!
FA-22 Raptor - First public airshow.
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If you build an RV-10 in under 2 years, with excellent workmanship
and park it in front of the RV display area at Sun n Fun, you may get Van to
clean your plane in the morning! (Tim's -10)
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| Subject: | Sun n Fun - Olsons Departing. |
Saturday, waiting for the LAL to reopen for departure.
The smiles tell the story (ok, i am a dentist), the plane looks great too!
The climb out was incredible, in a minute, they more then doubled the
altitude of the
Cessna that was ahead of them, and then left the spam can driver way behind.
I had to go home in my spam can.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun - Olsons Departing. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey Steve, Thanks for taking the photos. Send whatever you can
to me. For those waiting for pics from me, sorry to break the
bad news but I forgot my camera on day 2, and day 1 I was stuck
by the plane almost all day. Hopefully people can send their
pics and we can all put together the highlights of SNF for -10
builders. Ed's overhead console is probably the #1 item. I
got to see Henkjan's door latches. Looked all over for Coss Aviation,
but I couldn't find them for the life of me. I think they must
not have had a booth, but were there, because Van's did say they
talked to them briefly.
As for Steve's photos and comments, I'll expand a tad...
The Raptor was awesome to see in flight.
I didn't know they cleaned up the plane in the a.m. but am
very thankful they did. It was really dusty there. On the flight
home I had to clean my screens and then use the wet wipe to clean
the glareshield.
Now for the best part.... On that takeoff Steve mentioned, I
didn't even know he was watching, but I didn't try to climb
very much at all....just stick with traffic. But when you
want up, you get up. I got placed behind a Yak for takeoff.
Not only did I keep up with him on the departure, but when
he started climbing for 4K'+, I took the same arc and kept
up with him in the climb...maybe even gained. He may have
been powered back, but I easily outclimbed many of the departing
planes. On the way home today (specs to come later, but about
7.25 hours from Leesburg KLEE to Menomonie KLUM), I climbed
out of Louisville and it was shocking to me that I was passing
through 5500' by the time 3 minutes on the flight timer kicked
in. I was amazed and couldn't believe it was doing that
much better than my old plane. I can climb faster at 9000'
Density Altitude than I could off the ground on a regular day in my old
plane.
You guys building are gonna love your -10's.
Oh yeah, and after doing some careful recording on the way down, I
was able to check over 4 fuel fills and see that my flow calibration
was consistently off the same percentage. I tweaked it in before I
left today and on my last leg, my totalizer flow was EXACTLY the
same as my added fuel, to the EXACT tenth of a gallon, over almost
44 gallons. I'm lovin' this cross-country stuff.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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LIKE2LOOP@aol.com wrote:
> Saturday, waiting for the LAL to reopen for departure.
> The smiles tell the story (ok, i am a dentist), the plane looks great too!
> The climb out was incredible, in a minute, they more then doubled the
> altitude of the
> Cessna that was ahead of them, and then left the spam can driver way
> behind.
> I had to go home in my spam can.
>
>
>
> Do Not Archive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Tim,
As far as getting use out of the system, that will mainly depend on whether
you are in a hurry or would rather save a few (or a lot of) bucks on gas.
What have your fuel burns been running at different altitudes and different
true airspeeds? My dad just made a flight from X35 to Grand Rapids non-stop
in around 6 hours, which should be a little over 1,000sm. You have to go
high to do that, but if you can make it non-stop, you will both save money
and time going high.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 7:53 PM
Subject: O2 systems - Was: RV10-List: S&F - Tim's -10
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Well, it looks like the O2 system information for -10's will be
as broad as the number of O2 system vendors. I picked up a
portable system today.
At present, I know that Dan has Mountain High's system (I'm
assuming a portable, right Dan?), and Randy has Mountain
High's high-end pulse system.
Jesse has Sky-Ox.
Russ Daves has Aerox, portable but semi-permanent mounted.
And I just bought the Precise Flight (Nelson) portable 4-place
system today.
I didn't know which way to go, so this a.m. and last night I
read a little on them online. The mountain high stuff looks
very nice, but generally costs a little more I think. One
other vendor (Aerox) told me that MH uses plastic fittings.
No big deal I guess.
The SkyOx system looked good too. At first I thought it might
be nice to have a single adjustment knob for all 4 places....then
I read and realized that each person may not want/need the same
amount, so there is a drawback, depending on your needs. Otherwise
the system seemed fine.
The Aerox seemed pretty good too. I almost went with it, and
was looking for things to nit-pick to help me decide between
Precise Flight and Aerox. They use the same cannulas, and
offered much the same stuff. The aerox uses needle valves on
the regulator. I thought maybe that depending on what bangs
into it, it might not be as durable as an inline meter. Also,
it means the guy running the system will need to be very close
to that valve.
In the end, The Aerox was just a few bucks more, if I bought
their carry case, and they only included 4 cannulas, meters,
and one mask.
From Precise Flight, I got 4 cannulas, 4 meters, 4 masks, (1
cannula and mask was kids sized), and the carrying case, with
an M Bottle. The aerox was something like $631+59 for the case.
The Precise Flight was $675 for the whole thing. The only thing
I may want to add later is the demand units that can be attached
inline to conserve O2, which would run maybe $375-450 (ea)
depending on special pricing if bought during the show. I'll
have to see how much use the system gets between now and OSH.
The Aerox does have a better warranty...the P.F. is 2 years.
I did download and read the Aviation Consumer article on the
various O2 systems before buying. In general, their main
complaint about some of the others was the case, mounting,
or individual adjustments. They chose the Precise Flight,
and I trusted that it would be a reasonable choice. I don't
really think it's a drastic difference between any of them,
so everyone will probably be generally happy with what they
have. I hope I get enough use out of mine.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Dan Masys wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Date: 2006/04/07 Fri PM 09:33:36
>> EDT
>
>> Anyone have any advice on who's el'cheapo portable O2 system is the
>> best bet? That's about the only big thing I'm shopping for.
>
> I have a Mountain High O2 tank mounted in my -7 and have found their
> systems to be well designed, with lots of different options. Plus,
> at every fly-in where they set up a booth, they will refill your O2
> tank for free. It's one of the reasons I go to OSH every year :-).
>
> -Dan Masys
>
>
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We have done this and I think a lot of others also, because we got the idea
from Randy. We mounted it on the tail under the fairing (the ELT, that is),
and mounted the antenna in the rear bulkhead that the aft most tailcone top
skin rivets to at the back. The antenna then is completely hidden by the
fairing and invisible. Also, if the plan crashes, the tail is most often
the part that is left in tact from what I have heard, so it will do its job
better.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sipp
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 10:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: ELT Antenna
Looking for some ideas on a location to mount the ELT antenna other than on
top of the fuselage.
I am thinking about mounting on a corner plate where the top longeron meets
the rear baggage bulkhead with the wire end secured in a cushion clamp.
Other ideas?
Thanks
Dick Sipp
40065
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| Subject: | Sun n Fun - Olsons Departing (Cruise #'s ??) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Tim,
Sorry I missed you at Sun-n-Fun, I was hoping to meet you. The airplane
looks fantastic and was highly motivational as I get into the final throws
of construction. A quick question on your trip, any chance you could share
your TAS and Fuel Flow experience on the trip (and any other useful or fun
data)? I have the same engine/prop so am anxious to get some real numbers
to keep the dream growing.
Thanks,
Marcus
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun - Olsons Departing (Cruise #'s ??) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Absolutely. Tonight and if I can't finish it, tomorrow, I'll be putting
together a couple of pages of stuff. One page about my trip, and one
I'll just keep building as people send stuff to add, with Sun-N-Fun
2006 photos...especially things related to what we need for -10's.
I took some notes on the return trip on fuel flows and such. Jesse's
dad must be doing some great planning and leaning to get from Grand
Rapids to X35 on one tank, which is encouraging. I haven't flown
over 9500' yet in the -10, so I haven't been able to experience
anything quite so close to what they did. My numbers will at least
reassure the people used to cruising in spam cans that the -10 will
be better for them that those. A Mooney is still kind of hard to
beat for the numbers, but the -10 should do good.
I'll post a note here when the page(s) are ready.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Marcus Cooper wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> Tim,
> Sorry I missed you at Sun-n-Fun, I was hoping to meet you. The airplane
> looks fantastic and was highly motivational as I get into the final throws
> of construction. A quick question on your trip, any chance you could share
> your TAS and Fuel Flow experience on the trip (and any other useful or fun
> data)? I have the same engine/prop so am anxious to get some real numbers
> to keep the dream growing.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy |
Fellow listers,
Has anyone out there used this thing for their oil cooler? It is supposed to be
for the 20006A or 8604R oil cooler. I got this thing - no photos/instructions
and it doesn't look right to do what I think its supposed to do.
Any help would be appreciated,
Ralph
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| Subject: | Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy |
Ralph,
I got the Firewall Forward kit and it has the same oil cooler box you
received. It uses the 20006A oil cooler and it works fits just fine. You
bolt it to the firewall with the large duct fitting facing up using AN-3
bolts through the firewall into nut plates that should be in place by now.
The oil cooler fits on the front with bolts to nut plates with the fittings
on the top side. Hope this helps, if not I can zap a picture or two. Check
out this link from Tim Olson's site of the box:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/engine/20051014/RV200510140214.html
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:11 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy
Fellow listers,
Has anyone out there used this thing for their oil cooler? It is supposed
to be for the 20006A or 8604R oil cooler. I got this thing - no
photos/instructions and it doesn't look right to do what I think its
supposed to do.
Any help would be appreciated,
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy |
This clears some of the mud....
I'll take your pics too if you don't mind...
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Cooper
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy
Ralph,
I got the Firewall Forward kit and it has the same oil cooler box you received.
It uses the 20006A oil cooler and it works fits just fine. You bolt it
to the firewall with the large duct fitting facing up using AN-3 bolts through
the firewall into nut plates that should be in place by now. The oil cooler
fits on the front with bolts to nut plates with the fittings on the top side.
Hope this helps, if not I can zap a picture or two. Check out this link from
Tim Olson's site of the box:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/engine/20051014/RV200510140214.html
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:11 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy
Fellow listers,
Has anyone out there used this thing for their oil cooler? It is supposed to
be for the 20006A or 8604R oil cooler. I got this thing - no photos/instructions
and it doesn't look right to do what I think its supposed to do.
Any help would be appreciated,
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: S&F - Tim's -10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> Date: 2006/04/08 Sat PM 08:52:46 EDT
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: O2 systems - Was: RV10-List: S&F - Tim's -10
> At present, I know that Dan has Mountain High's system (I'm
> assuming a portable, right Dan?),
Mine's sort of semi-portable. I have mounting brackets attached to the center
tower in the -7 where the flap motor is housed, and the tank stays clamped in
there. O2 lines are also fixed with guides and zipties.
I got the self-fill valve and use welder's O2 from a medium and large tank (step
filling) so keeping the O2 available is just a few cents a flight. And since
the -7 is happy cruising up in the teen's (still climbs at 500 fpm best rate
at 18,000 ft), and you never know when you might have to outclimb some weather,
it is a nice option to have.
Used to have SkyOx and it was fine, too. They're all fine :-).
-Dan Masys
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
I have mine mounted horizontally under the empennage fairing. Lots of RV'ers do
it that way.
(See http://www.romeolima.com/RV8/Pictures/Mvc-447x.jpg )
Probably not ideal for signal propogation, but it turns out nothing is ideal, since
any outside antenna has a chance of ending up under the plane and/or sheared
off after the crash.
-Dan Masys
> From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
> Date: 2006/04/08 Sat PM 11:57:42 EDT
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: ELT Antenna
>
> Looking for some ideas on a location to mount the ELT antenna other than on top
of the fuselage.
>
> I am thinking about mounting on a corner plate where the top longeron meets the
rear baggage bulkhead with the wire end secured in a cushion clamp.
>
> Other ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dick Sipp
> 40065
>
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun Trip Performance Notes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Ok all, I just got done throwing together my trip stuff from our
X/C to Sun-N-Fun and back, including a few performance notes and
some screenshots of the instruments. (Sorry, no videos)
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20060409/index.html
The trip was done with a fairly good load for weight, as we
don't travel too light. Performance was very good in climb,
maintaining somewhere around 1000-1100fpm even up to the
9000' density altitude range.
I know it's not a lot, but hopefully I can keep putting out some
numbers from various trips, and start a chart on one page,
so people can see some numbers. If any other builders can
provide the same number format for your flights, I'd be happy
to make a performance section so that we can compile useful data
from various builders. Just send it on as you get it. There
are many people dying for info.
For those just interested in the pretty pictures, check it
out. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: S&F - Tim's -10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Some day I'd like to make mine semi-portable too. I think that
would make it real convenient. Russ Daves did that with his too.
I used to have a dive shop and be in the SCUBA biz, doing lots
of technical and deep dives requiring various helium/oxygen/air
mixes. Had something like 26 cylinders in the 250-400 cf range.
I still own maybe 6 of them...with a couple dedicated to He,
a couple to air, and a couple to O2, so I should be able to
do the same as you and do my own fills. I know I can get
probably 300cf for about $20 locally, and I know for a fact
that their medical, aviation, and welding O2 all comes off the
same tap on the system...I've been in their back room.
That should help lower the ongoing costs of O2, except for
fills when away from home.
O2 in the cockpit will be a new thing for me though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Dan Masys wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
>
>> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> Date: 2006/04/08 Sat PM 08:52:46
>> EDT To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: O2 systems - Was:
>> RV10-List: S&F - Tim's -10
>
>
>> At present, I know that Dan has Mountain High's system (I'm
>> assuming a portable, right Dan?),
>
> Mine's sort of semi-portable. I have mounting brackets attached to
> the center tower in the -7 where the flap motor is housed, and the
> tank stays clamped in there. O2 lines are also fixed with guides and
> zipties.
>
> I got the self-fill valve and use welder's O2 from a medium and large
> tank (step filling) so keeping the O2 available is just a few cents a
> flight. And since the -7 is happy cruising up in the teen's (still
> climbs at 500 fpm best rate at 18,000 ft), and you never know when
> you might have to outclimb some weather, it is a nice option to have.
>
>
> Used to have SkyOx and it was fine, too. They're all fine :-).
>
>
> -Dan Masys
>
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| Subject: | NAV Antenna Choices and Range |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Here's another Tidbit I learned from this trip...
I know that lots of people say the Bob Archer Nav antenna
is a fantastic piece of gear, and I have one in my left wingtip
and like it as well. I'm not a fan of splitting a NAV signal
and losing 50% of your signal trying to share it between receivers.
My NAV1 is an SL30 tied to my cat whiskers Comant antenna under
the tail, mounted backwards, incorrectly, but it looks ok.
My NAV2 is a GNS480 tied to my Bob Archer wingtip NAV on the
Left wing. It's invisible, so it looks great. It's harder
to mount than the tail mounted one, but not anything super
tough.
Well, on the way home today I tuned in a station 125 miles away with
both radios. I was at 6500', where ground is about 1000' MSL.
My NAV1 picked it up and displayed the radial reliably about 80
miles away. My NAV2, Archer wingtip Nav, picked it up about
20 miles closer.
I just had to post this because all you ever hear is "It works
great", or "It works better than anything else". What people
really need to know is, what kind of range are you really seeing.
This proved to me that I chose well when I set my cat whiskers
to be my main NAV1, integrated into my EFIS...which I'll use
more than the other NAV. Not knocking the archer Nav, and this
is only one datapoint, but I know some will appreciate some
hard numbers. To me, the most important thing about an antenna
is how it works, not how it looks, or if it saves me a knot or two.
Tim
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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: NAV Antenna Choices and Range |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Here's another Tidbit I learned from this trip...
>
> My NAV1 picked it up and displayed the radial reliably about 80
> miles away. My NAV2, Archer wingtip Nav, picked it up about
> 20 miles closer.
Sounds like you have a wing root inline BNC on your Archer antenna, and a straight
run to your Commant. Each time you put a BNC connection in a line, there
is a 3-4 dB insertion loss (if you're lucky; can be worse). Am trying my best
to avoid putting a connector in the line to my Archer antenna way out there on
that wingtip; will see if it can be done.
-Dan Masys
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun Trip Performance Notes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun Trip Performance Notes
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Ok all, I just got done throwing together my trip stuff from our
> X/C to Sun-N-Fun and back, including a few performance notes and
> some screenshots of the instruments. (Sorry, no videos)
Great report Tim; and the real world screen shots were interesting. It was
fun seeing your route just east of WDR and LZU we often flew the 4 with the
TeamRV formation demo team out of those airports when we lived in GA.
A couple of questions: for the cruise fuel flows at 8500' where was the
mixture set relative to peak?
Do you have the 6.0 Chelton software installed?
Is the autopilot/Chelton integration working well?
It was interesting to see the "HITS" label in the lower right corner of the
PFD as the heading/nav mode enunciator. Some of the 6.0 changes
particularly enunciation of autopilot ouput modes should be a big help with
situational awareness. Your comments about becoming very comfortable with
your equipment before venturing into IFR or max range ops is great advice.
I've seen many cases with new technology (HUDS, EFIS etc.) where even with
extensive training, the question, "What's it doing now and why is it doing
it," came up all too often in the simulator and airplane.
Thanks for the motivation and keeping us in the loop as you learn your great
new airplane.
Dick Sipp
40065 110DV canoe stage systems installation
RV4 250DS sold :(
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| Subject: | Re: NAV Antenna Choices and Range |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Nope, no wing root connectors on anything, and all antennas are
direct runs from the radio. I left just enough antenna wire
at the tip so I can lay the tip on the wing. Hopefully
I won't have the tip off too often though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Dan Masys wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Here's another Tidbit I learned from this trip...
>>
>
>> My NAV1 picked it up and displayed the radial reliably about 80
>> miles away. My NAV2, Archer wingtip Nav, picked it up about 20
>> miles closer.
>
> Sounds like you have a wing root inline BNC on your Archer antenna,
> and a straight run to your Commant. Each time you put a BNC
> connection in a line, there is a 3-4 dB insertion loss (if you're
> lucky; can be worse). Am trying my best to avoid putting a connector
> in the line to my Archer antenna way out there on that wingtip; will
> see if it can be done.
>
> -Dan Masys
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun Trip Performance Notes |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Richard Sipp wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 10:09 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun Trip Performance Notes
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> Ok all, I just got done throwing together my trip stuff from our
>> X/C to Sun-N-Fun and back, including a few performance notes and
>> some screenshots of the instruments. (Sorry, no videos)
>
> Great report Tim; and the real world screen shots were interesting. It
> was fun seeing your route just east of WDR and LZU we often flew the 4
> with the TeamRV formation demo team out of those airports when we lived
> in GA.
>
> A couple of questions: for the cruise fuel flows at 8500' where was the
> mixture set relative to peak?
>
I can't say how many degrees exactly it was off peak, but it
was rich of peak....maybe 50 degrees or so.
> Do you have the 6.0 Chelton software installed?
Yep, It's 6.0A4. I hear there will be a new one coming
very soon.
>
> Is the autopilot/Chelton integration working well?
>
The GPSS part is working great. I can tell on the GPSV I have to
reduce some gain though, as it tends to not hold steady and
overshoots and undershoots a bit if I don't help buffer
the oscillations. The AP itself holds rock solid, but I know
that I have probably twice the gain that I want for the Chelton
pitch, so I'm going to do a few flights and try to tweak that
in now. Other than that, it works real well.
> It was interesting to see the "HITS" label in the lower right corner of
> the PFD as the heading/nav mode enunciator. Some of the 6.0 changes
> particularly enunciation of autopilot ouput modes should be a big help
> with situational awareness. Your comments about becoming very
> comfortable with your equipment before venturing into IFR or max range
> ops is great advice. I've seen many cases with new technology (HUDS,
> EFIS etc.) where even with extensive training, the question, "What's it
> doing now and why is it doing it," came up all too often in the
> simulator and airplane.
>
Very true...until I know what it's thinking when I hit
some button combos, I want to keep things a bit simple. I did
gain a lot of familiarity on this trip though, and so did
my wife. She is now starting to read charts and things real well.
> Thanks for the motivation and keeping us in the loop as you learn your
> great new airplane.
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No prob...it's all fun.
Tim
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