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1. 04:12 AM - Re: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy (Tim Olson)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy (Ralph E. Capen)
3. 05:33 AM - Re: fiberglass panels (Wayne Edgerton)
4. 07:43 AM - ELT Antenna (JSMcGrew@AOL.COM)
5. 07:48 AM - Re: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy (Dan Masys)
6. 08:24 AM - Re: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy (Ralph E. Capen)
7. 09:02 AM - Re: ELT Antenna (John Jessen)
8. 09:41 AM - Sound Insulation (Conti, Rick)
9. 09:48 AM - GE 109 RTV (Conti, Rick)
10. 12:02 PM - Re: NAV Antenna Choices and Range (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
11. 12:39 PM - Overhead Air Unit (Scott Schmidt)
12. 01:38 PM - Re: NAV Antenna Choices and Range (Tim Olson)
13. 01:56 PM - Re: Overhead Air Unit (Larry Rosen)
14. 02:48 PM - Sun-N-Fun my comments (Larry Rosen)
15. 03:59 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (John Cleary)
16. 04:29 PM - Re: GE 109 RTV (John Dunne)
17. 04:31 PM - sections 11 and 12 (Eric_Kallio)
18. 04:59 PM - Re: sections 11 and 12 (Randy DeBauw)
19. 05:04 PM - Re: sections 11 and 12 (Larry Rosen)
20. 05:28 PM - Re: sections 11 and 12 (John Jessen)
21. 05:55 PM - Re: sections 11 and 12 (Tim Olson)
22. 06:15 PM - Re: sections 11 and 12 (Jesse Saint)
23. 06:31 PM - Cruise stats (Jesse Saint)
24. 07:11 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
25. 07:24 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Larry Rosen)
26. 07:43 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Tim Olson)
27. 07:55 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Larry Rosen)
28. 07:57 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
29. 07:57 PM - Tim's engine running hot (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
30. 08:44 PM - Re: Tim's engine running hot (Tim Olson)
31. 08:53 PM - RV-10 Flight Report (Chuck Spaur)
32. 08:53 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (John W. Cox)
33. 09:10 PM - Re: sections 11 and 12 (Robert G. Wright)
34. 10:00 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Werner Schneider)
35. 10:28 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
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| Subject: | Re: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Ralph, these 2 should help also:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/engine/20051127/RV200511260005.html
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20060129/RV200601260018.html
Tim
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
> This clears some of the mud....
>
> I'll take your pics too if you don't mind...
>
> Thanks
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Marcus Cooper <mailto:coop85@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:08 PM
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy
>
> Ralph,
>
> I got the Firewall Forward kit and it has the same oil cooler box
> you received. It uses the 20006A oil cooler and it works fits just
> fine. You bolt it to the firewall with the large duct fitting
> facing up using AN-3 bolts through the firewall into nut plates that
> should be in place by now. The oil cooler fits on the front with
> bolts to nut plates with the fittings on the top side. Hope this
> helps, if not I can zap a picture or two. Check out this link from
> Tim Olsons site of the box:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/engine/20051014/RV200510140214.html
>
>
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ralph
> E. Capen
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:11 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy
>
>
>
> Fellow listers,
>
>
>
> Has anyone out there used this thing for their oil cooler? It is
> supposed to be for the 20006A or 8604R oil cooler. I got this thing
> - no photos/instructions and it doesn't look right to do what I
> think its supposed to do.
>
>
>
> Any help would be appreciated,
>
> Ralph
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Thanks Tim....that Oil cooler is Huge!
Now I'm pretty sure I know how it works - I just gotta figure if it is the correct
setup for my 6A.
I have an Aerosport Power O360 with AFP injection and 9.2 pistons - so I think
I need more oil cooler than the average bear.
Is this your -10?
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>Sent: Apr 10, 2006 7:07 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>
>Ralph, these 2 should help also:
>
>http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/engine/20051127/RV200511260005.html
>http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/finishing/20060129/RV200601260018.html
>
>Tim
>
>
>Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>> This clears some of the mud....
>>
>> I'll take your pics too if you don't mind...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Marcus Cooper <mailto:coop85@bellsouth.net>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:08 PM
>> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy
>>
>> Ralph,
>>
>> I got the Firewall Forward kit and it has the same oil cooler box
>> you received. It uses the 20006A oil cooler and it works fits just
>> fine. You bolt it to the firewall with the large duct fitting
>> facing up using AN-3 bolts through the firewall into nut plates that
>> should be in place by now. The oil cooler fits on the front with
>> bolts to nut plates with the fittings on the top side. Hope this
>> helps, if not I can zap a picture or two. Check out this link from
>> Tim Olson?s site of the box:
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/engine/20051014/RV200510140214.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ralph
>> E. Capen
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:11 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy
>>
>>
>>
>> Fellow listers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone out there used this thing for their oil cooler? It is
>> supposed to be for the 20006A or 8604R oil cooler. I got this thing
>> - no photos/instructions and it doesn't look right to do what I
>> think its supposed to do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated,
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fiberglass panels |
If I'm not mistaken Alex De Dominicis has this A/C already installed in his 10. His web address is http://www.rvtraining.com/
Wayne Edgerton # 40336
do not ardhive
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Dick,
I put my ELT antenna in the right aft corner of the baggage compartment. I
riveted a small .063 plate with a hole in it onto the .125" aluminum angle. I
attached the antenna to that plate. I glassed an AN3 bolt onto the inside of
the canopy top just above and used this to bolt on a cushioned clamp that
secures the top end of the antenna. Since my ELT is just behind the baggage
compartment bulkhead there, the antenna wire run is all of about 3'.
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
40134
Time: 09:01:47 PM PST US
From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV10-List: ELT Antenna
Looking for some ideas on a location to mount the ELT antenna other than on
top
of the fuselage.
I am thinking about mounting on a corner plate where the top longeron meets
the
rear baggage bulkhead with the wire end secured in a cushion clamp.
Other ideas?
Thanks
Dick Sipp
40065
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| Subject: | Re: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
> From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> Date: 2006/04/10 Mon AM 08:17:12 EDT
> Thanks Tim....that Oil cooler is Huge!
>
> Now I'm pretty sure I know how it works - I just gotta figure if it is the correct
setup for my 6A.
>
> I have an Aerosport Power O360 with AFP injection and 9.2 pistons - so I think
I need more oil cooler than the average bear.
Ralph,
For the O-360 you really don't need the giant oil cooler used on the -10. I have
a 200hp IO-360 in my -7A and use a 7 row cooler (the O-320 model has 5 rows)
mounted to the left rear cylinder. Oil temps essentially never get above 210
even with sustained full power climbs at best rate in summer conditions. In
cruise the oil temp is always right at 170, which is the vernatherm opening temp.
Both Dan Checkoway and I had problems with the weight of the larger cooler causing
cracking of the baffle, so we both added a 3/4 angle brace from the inner
flange of the baffle to a midline bolt on the engine case.
On the other hand, mounting the oil cooler on the firewall rather than the engine
certainly saves stress on the cylinder it is bolted to, and the baffles.
-Dan Masys
RV-7A N747DL flying
RV-10A N104LD fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Dan,
Thanks for the info. I really like the oil cooler (whichever one) mounted on the
firewall as I am using a SamJames plenum and there just doesn't seem to be
enough room for the cooler up on the back of the baffling.
You are probably corect in that I could go with a smaller cooler - maybe a stewart
warner 8406R like some of the other 6A O360 guys are using.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>Sent: Apr 10, 2006 10:48 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans VA-186 Oil cooler box assy
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
>> From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>> Date: 2006/04/10 Mon AM 08:17:12 EDT
>
>> Thanks Tim....that Oil cooler is Huge!
>>
>> Now I'm pretty sure I know how it works - I just gotta figure if it is the correct
setup for my 6A.
>>
>> I have an Aerosport Power O360 with AFP injection and 9.2 pistons - so I think
I need more oil cooler than the average bear.
>
>Ralph,
>
>For the O-360 you really don't need the giant oil cooler used on the -10. I have
a 200hp IO-360 in my -7A and use a 7 row cooler (the O-320 model has 5 rows)
mounted to the left rear cylinder. Oil temps essentially never get above 210
even with sustained full power climbs at best rate in summer conditions. In
cruise the oil temp is always right at 170, which is the vernatherm opening
temp.
>
>Both Dan Checkoway and I had problems with the weight of the larger cooler causing
cracking of the baffle, so we both added a 3/4 angle brace from the inner
flange of the baffle to a midline bolt on the engine case.
>
>On the other hand, mounting the oil cooler on the firewall rather than the engine
certainly saves stress on the cylinder it is bolted to, and the baffles.
>
>-Dan Masys
>RV-7A N747DL flying
>RV-10A N104LD fuselage
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Jim,
Might you have a picture or two of the install?
John Jessen
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:41 AM
Subject: RV10-List: ELT Antenna
Dick,
I put my ELT antenna in the right aft corner of the baggage compartment. I
riveted a small .063 plate with a hole in it onto the .125" aluminum angle.
I attached the antenna to that plate. I glassed an AN3 bolt onto the inside
of the canopy top just above and used this to bolt on a cushioned clamp that
secures the top end of the antenna. Since my ELT is just behind the baggage
compartment bulkhead there, the antenna wire run is all of about 3'.
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
40134
Time: 09:01:47 PM PST US
From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV10-List: ELT Antenna
Looking for some ideas on a location to mount the ELT antenna other than on
top
of the fuselage.
I am thinking about mounting on a corner plate where the top longeron meets
the
rear baggage bulkhead with the wire end secured in a cushion clamp.
Other ideas?
Thanks
Dick Sipp
40065
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| Subject: | Sound Insulation |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
Did anyone install sound proofing on the cabin cover & doors before
installation? If so, what thickness and what did you use for adhesive?
Any suggestions on attaching overhead pilot and copilot lighting?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
Has anyone found a retailer in the US for GE 109 RTV? I bought 102 &
106 from Circuit Specialists on-line, but I can't find 109.
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
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| Subject: | NAV Antenna Choices and Range |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
Tim, this is good info but somewhat subjective because they are
two different radio's as well. What would be interesting is if you
could switch the antennas to the opposite radios's and try this same
test again. This will tell us if it is the antenna or the radio's that
are performing better.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250
First flight scheduled for May 26th.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: NAV Antenna Choices and Range
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Here's another Tidbit I learned from this trip...
I know that lots of people say the Bob Archer Nav antenna
is a fantastic piece of gear, and I have one in my left wingtip
and like it as well. I'm not a fan of splitting a NAV signal
and losing 50% of your signal trying to share it between receivers.
My NAV1 is an SL30 tied to my cat whiskers Comant antenna under
the tail, mounted backwards, incorrectly, but it looks ok.
My NAV2 is a GNS480 tied to my Bob Archer wingtip NAV on the
Left wing. It's invisible, so it looks great. It's harder
to mount than the tail mounted one, but not anything super
tough.
Well, on the way home today I tuned in a station 125 miles away with
both radios. I was at 6500', where ground is about 1000' MSL.
My NAV1 picked it up and displayed the radial reliably about 80
miles away. My NAV2, Archer wingtip Nav, picked it up about
20 miles closer.
I just had to post this because all you ever hear is "It works
great", or "It works better than anything else". What people
really need to know is, what kind of range are you really seeing.
This proved to me that I chose well when I set my cat whiskers
to be my main NAV1, integrated into my EFIS...which I'll use
more than the other NAV. Not knocking the archer Nav, and this
is only one datapoint, but I know some will appreciate some
hard numbers. To me, the most important thing about an antenna
is how it works, not how it looks, or if it saves me a knot or two.
Tim
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Overhead Air Unit |
Does anyone have any pictures of the overhead unit that Tony is making
now?
Scott Schmidt
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| Subject: | Re: NAV Antenna Choices and Range |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You are very correct. I would hope they would both be good, but it
could be the radio as well. I'll have to swap them and see and
will report back at a later date.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
>
> Tim, this is good info but somewhat subjective because they are
> two different radio's as well. What would be interesting is if you
> could switch the antennas to the opposite radios's and try this same
> test again. This will tell us if it is the antenna or the radio's that
> are performing better.
>
>
>
> Thank You
> Ray Doerr
> 40250
> First flight scheduled for May 26th.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:30 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: NAV Antenna Choices and Range
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Here's another Tidbit I learned from this trip...
>
> I know that lots of people say the Bob Archer Nav antenna
> is a fantastic piece of gear, and I have one in my left wingtip
> and like it as well. I'm not a fan of splitting a NAV signal
> and losing 50% of your signal trying to share it between receivers.
>
> My NAV1 is an SL30 tied to my cat whiskers Comant antenna under
> the tail, mounted backwards, incorrectly, but it looks ok.
>
> My NAV2 is a GNS480 tied to my Bob Archer wingtip NAV on the
> Left wing. It's invisible, so it looks great. It's harder
> to mount than the tail mounted one, but not anything super
> tough.
>
>
> Well, on the way home today I tuned in a station 125 miles away with
> both radios. I was at 6500', where ground is about 1000' MSL.
> My NAV1 picked it up and displayed the radial reliably about 80
> miles away. My NAV2, Archer wingtip Nav, picked it up about
> 20 miles closer.
>
> I just had to post this because all you ever hear is "It works
> great", or "It works better than anything else". What people
> really need to know is, what kind of range are you really seeing.
> This proved to me that I chose well when I set my cat whiskers
> to be my main NAV1, integrated into my EFIS...which I'll use
> more than the other NAV. Not knocking the archer Nav, and this
> is only one datapoint, but I know some will appreciate some
> hard numbers. To me, the most important thing about an antenna
> is how it works, not how it looks, or if it saves me a knot or two.
>
> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Air Unit |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
See some here
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Overhead/index.html>
Larry Rosen
Scott Schmidt wrote:
> Does anyone have any pictures of the overhead unit that Tony is making
> now?
>
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
It was great to get down to Sun-N-Fun. In the past there was not much
there and one day was enough, but now that I am building the two days
was just not enough. Too much to do and see. You can see some of my
photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/index.html>.
There were 3 customer built RV-10 at the show when I was there.
Unfortunately I did not get t a close look at the TruTrak RV. But both
Vic and Tim 10s are great looking. A special thanks to Tim for letting
me sit in the pilots seat while he turned on the Cheltons and avionics.
I sat there making airplane noises and dreaming I was flying my
completed 10.
As you know Tim's panel is has the Cheltons side by side and Vic's are
up and down, and both would not change the layout. After sitting in
Tim's plane, side by side works best for me. It sure is great to have
the flexibility to make your own choice and put the plane together as
you want.
I had thought that I would put inertial reals in for the seat belts.
But with the Tims seat belts on tight I could easily reach the panel and
the avionics stack over to the right. Vic's Crow Enterprizes belts with
the rotary latch look very comfortable. For me it will be fixed belts,
but the wider hooker or crow type with rotary latches.
Paint cracking happens where the windows meet the fiberglass canopy.
Vic suggested putting e-glass around the exterior of the window which
may stop or reduce the cracking.
Vic has his oxygen bottle mounted between the passenger seats. It
looked like a good place to mount it in lieu of hanging in on the
co-pilot seat
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Vic%20RV10/slides/2006-04-07-SnF-25.html>.
Cirrus has a similar install. If anyone can take a picture of the
Cirrus O2 installation and email them to me, it would be greatly
appreciated.
Accuracy Avionics has an overhead console for the 10. I bought one. I
have pictures and comments on my web site you can see them here
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Overhead/index.html>.
Tony and Eric have put together a nice product. It has six cockpit
lights for the pilot & co-pilot, rear passengers and the baggage area.
Four vents for overhead ventilation and a bar to hang clothing in the
baggage area. A scoop mounts to the intersecting fairing and scat tubes
connect to the overhead console to pressurize it. There is an area to
mount an overhead DVD player that flips down (cool). The package comes
in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List price is $1,295,
$2,295, and $2,495 respectively. The basic is the console straight from
the mold and primed. Standard adds the DVD player, six cockpit lights
and 4 eyeball vents. Deluxe adds installation of the components
including the nut plates & seal. I bought the standard. Tony and Eric
are also putting together a center console and a variety of fiberglass
panels. I cannot wait to see the rest of their offerings.
Contact information is: Tony Sustare, Accuracy Avionics, 63020 Powel
Butte Highway, Suite 1, Bend, Oregon 97701
Phone 866/KIT-PANL email: TonyS at accuracy avionics dot com
Josh from Direct2 had the Chelton SV-10 wire harness there. It looked
complete and well put together, but it was hard to tell with everything
curled up. They even have mounts for the GADAHRS and magnetometer
Hopefully the wire harness will ship to me soon. Chelton is working on
integrating XM weather in addition to WSI weather to give you a choice.
Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com/> has a modular molded
fiberglass panel that allows the avionics stack to be located anywhere
on the panel. They has a system on display with the avionics stack to
the right of the center rib. If anyone has a photo of this panel please
email it to me.
Advanced Flight Systems new EFIS & Engine monitoring graphics are
outstanding. Grand Rapids better watch out. Currently the AFS system
does not have all the functionality as the GRT system, but with the
better screen it has the potential to blow away the GRT and challenge
the Chelton systems. But, this will be too late for me.
TruTrak is also entering the EFIS marked, but not much info on there
system. Maybe at OSH. They did announce a RV-10 autopilot. I guess it
positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV.
Plane Power's development of a vacuum pad mounted alternator is not
going to happen in the near future. They are working on STC's for their
existing products. They want the alternator to work at low engine RPM
settings and that will take a while.
E-Mag/P-Mag was not at the show. Sure wish they were. I need to make a
decision on an ignition system.
Sorry for the long email. There is probably more that I forgot. Any
comments or additional observations would be appreciated.
--
Larry Rosen
RV-10 #356
http://lrosen.nerv10.com
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cleary" <johncleary@mangertonnsw.com>
Larry,
This is a wonderfully informative account for those of us who live on the
other side of the globe.
Thank you,
John and Jennifer Cleary
(Completing fairings on empennage)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Tuesday, 11 April 2006 7:46 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
It was great to get down to Sun-N-Fun. In the past there was not much
there and one day was enough, but now that I am building the two days
was just not enough. Too much to do and see. You can see some of my
photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/index.html>.
There were 3 customer built RV-10 at the show when I was there.
Unfortunately I did not get t a close look at the TruTrak RV. But both
Vic and Tim 10s are great looking. A special thanks to Tim for letting
me sit in the pilots seat while he turned on the Cheltons and avionics.
I sat there making airplane noises and dreaming I was flying my
completed 10.
As you know Tim's panel is has the Cheltons side by side and Vic's are
up and down, and both would not change the layout. After sitting in
Tim's plane, side by side works best for me. It sure is great to have
the flexibility to make your own choice and put the plane together as
you want.
I had thought that I would put inertial reals in for the seat belts.
But with the Tims seat belts on tight I could easily reach the panel and
the avionics stack over to the right. Vic's Crow Enterprizes belts with
the rotary latch look very comfortable. For me it will be fixed belts,
but the wider hooker or crow type with rotary latches.
Paint cracking happens where the windows meet the fiberglass canopy.
Vic suggested putting e-glass around the exterior of the window which
may stop or reduce the cracking.
Vic has his oxygen bottle mounted between the passenger seats. It
looked like a good place to mount it in lieu of hanging in on the
co-pilot seat
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Vic%20RV10/slides/2006-04-0
7-SnF-25.html>.
Cirrus has a similar install. If anyone can take a picture of the
Cirrus O2 installation and email them to me, it would be greatly
appreciated.
Accuracy Avionics has an overhead console for the 10. I bought one. I
have pictures and comments on my web site you can see them here
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Overhead/index.html>.
Tony and Eric have put together a nice product. It has six cockpit
lights for the pilot & co-pilot, rear passengers and the baggage area.
Four vents for overhead ventilation and a bar to hang clothing in the
baggage area. A scoop mounts to the intersecting fairing and scat tubes
connect to the overhead console to pressurize it. There is an area to
mount an overhead DVD player that flips down (cool). The package comes
in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List price is $1,295,
$2,295, and $2,495 respectively. The basic is the console straight from
the mold and primed. Standard adds the DVD player, six cockpit lights
and 4 eyeball vents. Deluxe adds installation of the components
including the nut plates & seal. I bought the standard. Tony and Eric
are also putting together a center console and a variety of fiberglass
panels. I cannot wait to see the rest of their offerings.
Contact information is: Tony Sustare, Accuracy Avionics, 63020 Powel
Butte Highway, Suite 1, Bend, Oregon 97701
Phone 866/KIT-PANL email: TonyS at accuracy avionics dot com
Josh from Direct2 had the Chelton SV-10 wire harness there. It looked
complete and well put together, but it was hard to tell with everything
curled up. They even have mounts for the GADAHRS and magnetometer
Hopefully the wire harness will ship to me soon. Chelton is working on
integrating XM weather in addition to WSI weather to give you a choice.
Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com/> has a modular molded
fiberglass panel that allows the avionics stack to be located anywhere
on the panel. They has a system on display with the avionics stack to
the right of the center rib. If anyone has a photo of this panel please
email it to me.
Advanced Flight Systems new EFIS & Engine monitoring graphics are
outstanding. Grand Rapids better watch out. Currently the AFS system
does not have all the functionality as the GRT system, but with the
better screen it has the potential to blow away the GRT and challenge
the Chelton systems. But, this will be too late for me.
TruTrak is also entering the EFIS marked, but not much info on there
system. Maybe at OSH. They did announce a RV-10 autopilot. I guess it
positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV.
Plane Power's development of a vacuum pad mounted alternator is not
going to happen in the near future. They are working on STC's for their
existing products. They want the alternator to work at low engine RPM
settings and that will take a while.
E-Mag/P-Mag was not at the show. Sure wish they were. I need to make a
decision on an ignition system.
Sorry for the long email. There is probably more that I forgot. Any
comments or additional observations would be appreciated.
--
Larry Rosen
RV-10 #356
http://lrosen.nerv10.com
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Rick,
Aviall are the distributors in Australia for certain GE and Dow Corning
sealants and they have plenty of retail branches throughout USA. They maybe
able to help.
John 40315
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Sent: Tuesday, 11 April 2006 2:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: GE 109 RTV
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
Has anyone found a retailer in the US for GE 109 RTV? I bought 102 &
106 from Circuit Specialists on-line, but I can't find 109.
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
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| Subject: | sections 11 and 12 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
For those of you who have allready moved on past the emmpenage kit and maybe even
flying or close to it, what is your experience on sections 11 and 12. I am
getting ready to rivet the tailcone in the upcoming weeks. Does it make sense
to complete the next 2 sections fully and then take it apart and keep it dis-assembled
for a while, or are those sections that should wait until perhaps the
finishing kit when I am assuming all the controls are rigged to the cyclic (forgive
that term it is the helicopter pilot in me coming out)? Just trying to
stay ahead of the game here. Thanks.
Eric
40518 Tailcone
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27444#27444
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| Subject: | sections 11 and 12 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Build it per the plans if room is not an issue. One section at a time.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: sections 11 and 12
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
For those of you who have allready moved on past the emmpenage kit and
maybe even flying or close to it, what is your experience on sections 11
and 12. I am getting ready to rivet the tailcone in the upcoming weeks.
Does it make sense to complete the next 2 sections fully and then take
it apart and keep it dis-assembled for a while, or are those sections
that should wait until perhaps the finishing kit when I am assuming all
the controls are rigged to the cyclic (forgive that term it is the
helicopter pilot in me coming out)? Just trying to stay ahead of the
game here. Thanks.
Eric
40518 Tailcone
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27444#27444
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| Subject: | Re: sections 11 and 12 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Since I was waiting on my QB wings and Fuselage I did most of sections
11 & 12, and then took it apart for storage. Ideally you would complete
the sections and keep them together, and for those working in a hanger
they can do that. It will not work in my garage. Another advantage of
doing most of 11 & 12 early is that it will speed up final assembly. In
my garage I would not be able to put the tail feathers on a fuselage
with the engine. Just not enough space.
Sorry not a definitive answer, but some things to think about.
Larry
Eric_Kallio wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
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>For those of you who have allready moved on past the emmpenage kit and maybe even
flying or close to it, what is your experience on sections 11 and 12. I am
getting ready to rivet the tailcone in the upcoming weeks. Does it make sense
to complete the next 2 sections fully and then take it apart and keep it dis-assembled
for a while, or are those sections that should wait until perhaps the
finishing kit when I am assuming all the controls are rigged to the cyclic (forgive
that term it is the helicopter pilot in me coming out)? Just trying to
stay ahead of the game here. Thanks.
>Eric
>40518 Tailcone
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| Subject: | sections 11 and 12 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I appreciate the advice from Larry and Randy, but being at that same stage,
and even having the room, I do not see what the rationale is to take my
pieces off the walls and expose them to hanger rash if I don't have to.
What is the "have to" rationale behind doing those two steps at this time,
other than Larry's good point about getting them done. I'd rather, I think,
move on to the wings and have the empennage pieces safely out of the way.
Is it okay to assemble them, then take them apart and store them, or is this
not a good thing to do?
John Jessen
~328 (Tailcone being disassembled soon for final deburrrrrrrring)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: sections 11 and 12
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Since I was waiting on my QB wings and Fuselage I did most of sections
11 & 12, and then took it apart for storage. Ideally you would complete the
sections and keep them together, and for those working in a hanger they can
do that. It will not work in my garage. Another advantage of doing most of
11 & 12 early is that it will speed up final assembly. In my garage I would
not be able to put the tail feathers on a fuselage with the engine. Just
not enough space.
Sorry not a definitive answer, but some things to think about.
Larry
Eric_Kallio wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
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>For those of you who have allready moved on past the emmpenage kit and
maybe even flying or close to it, what is your experience on sections 11 and
12. I am getting ready to rivet the tailcone in the upcoming weeks. Does it
make sense to complete the next 2 sections fully and then take it apart and
keep it dis-assembled for a while, or are those sections that should wait
until perhaps the finishing kit when I am assuming all the controls are
rigged to the cyclic (forgive that term it is the helicopter pilot in me
coming out)? Just trying to stay ahead of the game here. Thanks.
>Eric
>40518 Tailcone
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| Subject: | Re: sections 11 and 12 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I don't see any problem with doing it either way. There's nothing
really in section 11&12 that's too awful dependent on the rest
of the build. I did mine after the fact, and others did it
in order. I don't think there's a problem doing it and disassembling
them either, John...it just doesn't matter much at all. I, like
you and others, don't have room to have an assembled empennage
sitting around, which is why I did it that way. One other thing...
even if you assemble it all, it'll be a heck of a lot easier to
join the tailcone to the fuselage later if you don't have all
those tail feathers attached. That doesn't mean you can't
complete them, just something to think about. I guess I'd just
do whatever feels best, and if you choose to push on to the wings,
but have a hold-up of some sort, you can always touch on those
sections while you wait. One item that may be worth finishing off
in order is just to assemble the trim mechanism though...just so
you have fewer parts laying around to lose.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
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> I appreciate the advice from Larry and Randy, but being at that same stage,
> and even having the room, I do not see what the rationale is to take my
> pieces off the walls and expose them to hanger rash if I don't have to.
> What is the "have to" rationale behind doing those two steps at this time,
> other than Larry's good point about getting them done. I'd rather, I think,
> move on to the wings and have the empennage pieces safely out of the way.
> Is it okay to assemble them, then take them apart and store them, or is this
> not a good thing to do?
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (Tailcone being disassembled soon for final deburrrrrrrring)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: sections 11 and 12
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Since I was waiting on my QB wings and Fuselage I did most of sections
> 11 & 12, and then took it apart for storage. Ideally you would complete the
> sections and keep them together, and for those working in a hanger they can
> do that. It will not work in my garage. Another advantage of doing most of
> 11 & 12 early is that it will speed up final assembly. In my garage I would
> not be able to put the tail feathers on a fuselage with the engine. Just
> not enough space.
>
> Sorry not a definitive answer, but some things to think about.
>
> Larry
>
> Eric_Kallio wrote:
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> maybe even flying or close to it, what is your experience on sections 11 and
> 12. I am getting ready to rivet the tailcone in the upcoming weeks. Does it
> make sense to complete the next 2 sections fully and then take it apart and
> keep it dis-assembled for a while, or are those sections that should wait
> until perhaps the finishing kit when I am assuming all the controls are
> rigged to the cyclic (forgive that term it is the helicopter pilot in me
> coming out)? Just trying to stay ahead of the game here. Thanks.
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| Subject: | sections 11 and 12 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
There is no problem with assembling them in order and then either leaving
them or disassembling them and putting the tail feathers away. Personally,
I think it is a little bit of a bear to put them on in the first place.
This time, we are not going to do those sections, probably, until we
absolutely have to. It has to be done before painting because the
intersection fairing has to be fit, but beyond that, I don't see any reason
that it can't be done at the very end. Again, this is just an opinion. If
I could avoid putting them on until I am ready to fly, I would do so, except
for the fairing. Also, you really need to have them assembled part of the
way at least to fit the fairings of the individual pieces. I think they can
be temporarily fit for these stages, though, without torquing the nuts and
stuff like that.
My $.02
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: sections 11 and 12
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I appreciate the advice from Larry and Randy, but being at that same stage,
and even having the room, I do not see what the rationale is to take my
pieces off the walls and expose them to hanger rash if I don't have to.
What is the "have to" rationale behind doing those two steps at this time,
other than Larry's good point about getting them done. I'd rather, I think,
move on to the wings and have the empennage pieces safely out of the way.
Is it okay to assemble them, then take them apart and store them, or is this
not a good thing to do?
John Jessen
~328 (Tailcone being disassembled soon for final deburrrrrrrring)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: sections 11 and 12
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Since I was waiting on my QB wings and Fuselage I did most of sections
11 & 12, and then took it apart for storage. Ideally you would complete the
sections and keep them together, and for those working in a hanger they can
do that. It will not work in my garage. Another advantage of doing most of
11 & 12 early is that it will speed up final assembly. In my garage I would
not be able to put the tail feathers on a fuselage with the engine. Just
not enough space.
Sorry not a definitive answer, but some things to think about.
Larry
Eric_Kallio wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
>
>For those of you who have allready moved on past the emmpenage kit and
maybe even flying or close to it, what is your experience on sections 11 and
12. I am getting ready to rivet the tailcone in the upcoming weeks. Does it
make sense to complete the next 2 sections fully and then take it apart and
keep it dis-assembled for a while, or are those sections that should wait
until perhaps the finishing kit when I am assuming all the controls are
rigged to the cyclic (forgive that term it is the helicopter pilot in me
coming out)? Just trying to stay ahead of the game here. Thanks.
>Eric
>40518 Tailcone
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=27444#27444
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I know this isn't in a lot of detail, but here is an e-mail I just got from
my dad about a flight from FL to MI and back. He runs high and runs lean of
peak. Everything we have heard tells us that if you are under 55-75% power,
running LOP won't hurt the engine. It slows you down a little bit, but
saves a lot on fuel, and can save time if it saves a fuel stop. Anyway,
here is the report from him.
By the way: I flew with Mincaye and Menewa and books and bags from
Dunnellon non-stop to the far side of Grand Rapis in six hours and 20
minutes and had 10 gallons of fuel left when I got there.
Yesterday, we spoke in a church with multiple services in Flint Michigan,
about an hour or a little more (driving) north of Detroit. After the second
service they had pizza brought in and we visited until three PM. Then they
took us by the motel to change and pack and then to the airport to fuel and
pack. We took off just before four PM. This time we had a little tail wind
instead of the little headwind we had going up. We were at the fuel pumps
at X35 before 9:00 and I would guess I have about 20 gallons left.
That is really sweet.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
Larry:
What were the prices on the 3 flavors of overhead panel?
Thanks,
TDT
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Larry Rosen
Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 5:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
It was great to get down to Sun-N-Fun. In the past there was not much
there and one day was enough, but now that I am building the two days
was just not enough. Too much to do and see. You can see some of my
photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/index.html>.
There were 3 customer built RV-10 at the show when I was there.
Unfortunately I did not get t a close look at the TruTrak RV. But both
Vic and Tim 10s are great looking. A special thanks to Tim for letting
me sit in the pilots seat while he turned on the Cheltons and avionics.
I sat there making airplane noises and dreaming I was flying my
completed 10.
As you know Tim's panel is has the Cheltons side by side and Vic's are
up and down, and both would not change the layout. After sitting in
Tim's plane, side by side works best for me. It sure is great to have
the flexibility to make your own choice and put the plane together as
you want.
I had thought that I would put inertial reals in for the seat belts.
But with the Tims seat belts on tight I could easily reach the panel and
the avionics stack over to the right. Vic's Crow Enterprizes belts with
the rotary latch look very comfortable. For me it will be fixed belts,
but the wider hooker or crow type with rotary latches.
Paint cracking happens where the windows meet the fiberglass canopy.
Vic suggested putting e-glass around the exterior of the window which
may stop or reduce the cracking.
Vic has his oxygen bottle mounted between the passenger seats. It
looked like a good place to mount it in lieu of hanging in on the
co-pilot seat
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Vic%20RV10/slides/2006-04-07-SnF-25.html>.
Cirrus has a similar install. If anyone can take a picture of the
Cirrus O2 installation and email them to me, it would be greatly
appreciated.
Accuracy Avionics has an overhead console for the 10. I bought one. I
have pictures and comments on my web site you can see them here
<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Overhead/index.html>.
Tony and Eric have put together a nice product. It has six cockpit
lights for the pilot & co-pilot, rear passengers and the baggage area.
Four vents for overhead ventilation and a bar to hang clothing in the
baggage area. A scoop mounts to the intersecting fairing and scat tubes
connect to the overhead console to pressurize it. There is an area to
mount an overhead DVD player that flips down (cool). The package comes
in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List price is $1,295,
$2,295, and $2,495 respectively. The basic is the console straight from
the mold and primed. Standard adds the DVD player, six cockpit lights
and 4 eyeball vents. Deluxe adds installation of the components
including the nut plates & seal. I bought the standard. Tony and Eric
are also putting together a center console and a variety of fiberglass
panels. I cannot wait to see the rest of their offerings.
Contact information is: Tony Sustare, Accuracy Avionics, 63020 Powel
Butte Highway, Suite 1, Bend, Oregon 97701
Phone 866/KIT-PANL email: TonyS at accuracy avionics dot com
Josh from Direct2 had the Chelton SV-10 wire harness there. It looked
complete and well put together, but it was hard to tell with everything
curled up. They even have mounts for the GADAHRS and magnetometer
Hopefully the wire harness will ship to me soon. Chelton is working on
integrating XM weather in addition to WSI weather to give you a choice.
Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com/> has a modular molded
fiberglass panel that allows the avionics stack to be located anywhere
on the panel. They has a system on display with the avionics stack to
the right of the center rib. If anyone has a photo of this panel please
email it to me.
Advanced Flight Systems new EFIS & Engine monitoring graphics are
outstanding. Grand Rapids better watch out. Currently the AFS system
does not have all the functionality as the GRT system, but with the
better screen it has the potential to blow away the GRT and challenge
the Chelton systems. But, this will be too late for me.
TruTrak is also entering the EFIS marked, but not much info on there
system. Maybe at OSH. They did announce a RV-10 autopilot. I guess it
positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV.
Plane Power's development of a vacuum pad mounted alternator is not
going to happen in the near future. They are working on STC's for their
existing products. They want the alternator to work at low engine RPM
settings and that will take a while.
E-Mag/P-Mag was not at the show. Sure wish they were. I need to make a
decision on an ignition system.
Sorry for the long email. There is probably more that I forgot. Any
comments or additional observations would be appreciated.
--
Larry Rosen
RV-10 #356
http://lrosen.nerv10.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
From below
The package comes in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List price is $1,295,
$2,295, and $2,495 respectively.
Larry
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>Larry:
>
>What were the prices on the 3 flavors of overhead panel?
>
>Thanks,
>
>TDT
>
>do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Larry Rosen
>Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 5:45 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
>It was great to get down to Sun-N-Fun. In the past there was not much
>there and one day was enough, but now that I am building the two days
>was just not enough. Too much to do and see. You can see some of my
>photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/index.html>.
>
>There were 3 customer built RV-10 at the show when I was there.
>Unfortunately I did not get t a close look at the TruTrak RV. But both
>Vic and Tim 10s are great looking. A special thanks to Tim for letting
>me sit in the pilots seat while he turned on the Cheltons and avionics.
>I sat there making airplane noises and dreaming I was flying my
>completed 10.
>
>As you know Tim's panel is has the Cheltons side by side and Vic's are
>up and down, and both would not change the layout. After sitting in
>Tim's plane, side by side works best for me. It sure is great to have
>the flexibility to make your own choice and put the plane together as
>you want.
>
>I had thought that I would put inertial reals in for the seat belts.
>But with the Tims seat belts on tight I could easily reach the panel and
>the avionics stack over to the right. Vic's Crow Enterprizes belts with
>the rotary latch look very comfortable. For me it will be fixed belts,
>but the wider hooker or crow type with rotary latches.
>
>Paint cracking happens where the windows meet the fiberglass canopy.
>Vic suggested putting e-glass around the exterior of the window which
>may stop or reduce the cracking.
>
>Vic has his oxygen bottle mounted between the passenger seats. It
>looked like a good place to mount it in lieu of hanging in on the
>co-pilot seat
><http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Vic%20RV10/slides/2006-04-07-SnF-25.html>.
>Cirrus has a similar install. If anyone can take a picture of the
>Cirrus O2 installation and email them to me, it would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Accuracy Avionics has an overhead console for the 10. I bought one. I
>have pictures and comments on my web site you can see them here
><http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Overhead/index.html>.
>Tony and Eric have put together a nice product. It has six cockpit
>lights for the pilot & co-pilot, rear passengers and the baggage area.
>Four vents for overhead ventilation and a bar to hang clothing in the
>baggage area. A scoop mounts to the intersecting fairing and scat tubes
>connect to the overhead console to pressurize it. There is an area to
>mount an overhead DVD player that flips down (cool). The package comes
>in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List price is $1,295,
>$2,295, and $2,495 respectively. The basic is the console straight from
>the mold and primed. Standard adds the DVD player, six cockpit lights
>and 4 eyeball vents. Deluxe adds installation of the components
>including the nut plates & seal. I bought the standard. Tony and Eric
>are also putting together a center console and a variety of fiberglass
>panels. I cannot wait to see the rest of their offerings.
>Contact information is: Tony Sustare, Accuracy Avionics, 63020 Powel
>Butte Highway, Suite 1, Bend, Oregon 97701
>Phone 866/KIT-PANL email: TonyS at accuracy avionics dot com
>
>Josh from Direct2 had the Chelton SV-10 wire harness there. It looked
>complete and well put together, but it was hard to tell with everything
>curled up. They even have mounts for the GADAHRS and magnetometer
>Hopefully the wire harness will ship to me soon. Chelton is working on
>integrating XM weather in addition to WSI weather to give you a choice.
>
>Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com/> has a modular molded
>fiberglass panel that allows the avionics stack to be located anywhere
>on the panel. They has a system on display with the avionics stack to
>the right of the center rib. If anyone has a photo of this panel please
>email it to me.
>
>Advanced Flight Systems new EFIS & Engine monitoring graphics are
>outstanding. Grand Rapids better watch out. Currently the AFS system
>does not have all the functionality as the GRT system, but with the
>better screen it has the potential to blow away the GRT and challenge
>the Chelton systems. But, this will be too late for me.
>
>TruTrak is also entering the EFIS marked, but not much info on there
>system. Maybe at OSH. They did announce a RV-10 autopilot. I guess it
>positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV.
>
>Plane Power's development of a vacuum pad mounted alternator is not
>going to happen in the near future. They are working on STC's for their
>existing products. They want the alternator to work at low engine RPM
>settings and that will take a while.
>
>E-Mag/P-Mag was not at the show. Sure wish they were. I need to make a
>decision on an ignition system.
>
>Sorry for the long email. There is probably more that I forgot. Any
>comments or additional observations would be appreciated.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Larry,
I think Tim;s (TDT's) problem was that he speaks French, so
he didn't understand it the first time. Here, let me
help...
Le packet entre 3 parfums. Fondamental, standard et de luxe. Le prix de
liste est $1.295, $2.295, et $2.495 respectivement.
(All in good humor)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> From below
>
> The package comes in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List price
> is $1,295, $2,295, and $2,495 respectively.
>
> Larry
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>
>> Larry:
>>
>> What were the prices on the 3 flavors of overhead panel?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> TDT
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Larry Rosen
>> Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 5:45 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> It was great to get down to Sun-N-Fun. In the past there was not much
>> there and one day was enough, but now that I am building the two days
>> was just not enough. Too much to do and see. You can see some of my
>> photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/index.html>.
>>
>> There were 3 customer built RV-10 at the show when I was there.
>> Unfortunately I did not get t a close look at the TruTrak RV. But
>> both Vic and Tim 10s are great looking. A special thanks to Tim for
>> letting me sit in the pilots seat while he turned on the Cheltons and
>> avionics. I sat there making airplane noises and dreaming I was
>> flying my completed 10.
>>
>> As you know Tim's panel is has the Cheltons side by side and Vic's are
>> up and down, and both would not change the layout. After sitting in
>> Tim's plane, side by side works best for me. It sure is great to have
>> the flexibility to make your own choice and put the plane together as
>> you want.
>>
>> I had thought that I would put inertial reals in for the seat belts.
>> But with the Tims seat belts on tight I could easily reach the panel
>> and the avionics stack over to the right. Vic's Crow Enterprizes
>> belts with the rotary latch look very comfortable. For me it will be
>> fixed belts, but the wider hooker or crow type with rotary latches.
>>
>> Paint cracking happens where the windows meet the fiberglass canopy.
>> Vic suggested putting e-glass around the exterior of the window which
>> may stop or reduce the cracking.
>>
>> Vic has his oxygen bottle mounted between the passenger seats. It
>> looked like a good place to mount it in lieu of hanging in on the
>> co-pilot seat
>> <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Vic%20RV10/slides/2006-04-07-SnF-25.html>.
>> Cirrus has a similar install. If anyone can take a picture of the
>> Cirrus O2 installation and email them to me, it would be greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Accuracy Avionics has an overhead console for the 10. I bought one.
>> I have pictures and comments on my web site you can see them here
>> <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Overhead/index.html>.
>> Tony and Eric have put together a nice product. It has six cockpit
>> lights for the pilot & co-pilot, rear passengers and the baggage
>> area. Four vents for overhead ventilation and a bar to hang clothing
>> in the baggage area. A scoop mounts to the intersecting fairing and
>> scat tubes connect to the overhead console to pressurize it. There
>> is an area to mount an overhead DVD player that flips down (cool).
>> The package comes in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List
>> price is $1,295, $2,295, and $2,495 respectively. The basic is the
>> console straight from the mold and primed. Standard adds the DVD
>> player, six cockpit lights and 4 eyeball vents. Deluxe adds
>> installation of the components including the nut plates & seal. I
>> bought the standard. Tony and Eric are also putting together a center
>> console and a variety of fiberglass panels. I cannot wait to see the
>> rest of their offerings. Contact information is: Tony Sustare,
>> Accuracy Avionics, 63020 Powel Butte Highway, Suite 1, Bend, Oregon 97701
>> Phone 866/KIT-PANL email: TonyS at accuracy avionics dot com
>>
>> Josh from Direct2 had the Chelton SV-10 wire harness there. It looked
>> complete and well put together, but it was hard to tell with
>> everything curled up. They even have mounts for the GADAHRS and
>> magnetometer Hopefully the wire harness will ship to me soon.
>> Chelton is working on integrating XM weather in addition to WSI
>> weather to give you a choice.
>>
>> Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com/> has a modular molded
>> fiberglass panel that allows the avionics stack to be located anywhere
>> on the panel. They has a system on display with the avionics stack to
>> the right of the center rib. If anyone has a photo of this panel
>> please email it to me.
>>
>> Advanced Flight Systems new EFIS & Engine monitoring graphics are
>> outstanding. Grand Rapids better watch out. Currently the AFS system
>> does not have all the functionality as the GRT system, but with the
>> better screen it has the potential to blow away the GRT and challenge
>> the Chelton systems. But, this will be too late for me.
>>
>> TruTrak is also entering the EFIS marked, but not much info on there
>> system. Maybe at OSH. They did announce a RV-10 autopilot. I guess
>> it positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV.
>>
>> Plane Power's development of a vacuum pad mounted alternator is not
>> going to happen in the near future. They are working on STC's for
>> their existing products. They want the alternator to work at low
>> engine RPM settings and that will take a while.
>>
>> E-Mag/P-Mag was not at the show. Sure wish they were. I need to make
>> a decision on an ignition system.
>>
>> Sorry for the long email. There is probably more that I forgot. Any
>> comments or additional observations would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
WOW, he has a full time job, a flying RV-10, a killer web site, doesn't
sleep at night and speaks French. :-)
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Larry,
>
> I think Tim;s (TDT's) problem was that he speaks French, so
> he didn't understand it the first time. Here, let me
> help...
>
> Le packet entre 3 parfums. Fondamental, standard et de luxe. Le prix
> de liste est $1.295, $2.295, et $2.495 respectivement.
>
> (All in good humor)
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
Hey, golly, there's this scroll bar thingy here and if you move it, more words
show up!
I prefer:
Das Pauschalangebot hat drei Arten. Einfach, Standardmaessig, und Luxus. Der
Listenpreis steht beziehungsweise bei $1,295, $2,295, und $2,495.
TDT
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Larry,
I think Tim;s (TDT's) problem was that he speaks French, so
he didn't understand it the first time. Here, let me
help...
Le packet entre 3 parfums. Fondamental, standard et de luxe. Le prix de
liste est $1.295, $2.295, et $2.495 respectivement.
(All in good humor)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Larry Rosen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> From below
>
> The package comes in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List price
> is $1,295, $2,295, and $2,495 respectively.
>
> Larry
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>
>> Larry:
>>
>> What were the prices on the 3 flavors of overhead panel?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> TDT
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Larry Rosen
>> Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 5:45 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> It was great to get down to Sun-N-Fun. In the past there was not much
>> there and one day was enough, but now that I am building the two days
>> was just not enough. Too much to do and see. You can see some of my
>> photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/index.html>.
>>
>> There were 3 customer built RV-10 at the show when I was there.
>> Unfortunately I did not get t a close look at the TruTrak RV. But
>> both Vic and Tim 10s are great looking. A special thanks to Tim for
>> letting me sit in the pilots seat while he turned on the Cheltons and
>> avionics. I sat there making airplane noises and dreaming I was
>> flying my completed 10.
>>
>> As you know Tim's panel is has the Cheltons side by side and Vic's are
>> up and down, and both would not change the layout. After sitting in
>> Tim's plane, side by side works best for me. It sure is great to have
>> the flexibility to make your own choice and put the plane together as
>> you want.
>>
>> I had thought that I would put inertial reals in for the seat belts.
>> But with the Tims seat belts on tight I could easily reach the panel
>> and the avionics stack over to the right. Vic's Crow Enterprizes
>> belts with the rotary latch look very comfortable. For me it will be
>> fixed belts, but the wider hooker or crow type with rotary latches.
>>
>> Paint cracking happens where the windows meet the fiberglass canopy.
>> Vic suggested putting e-glass around the exterior of the window which
>> may stop or reduce the cracking.
>>
>> Vic has his oxygen bottle mounted between the passenger seats. It
>> looked like a good place to mount it in lieu of hanging in on the
>> co-pilot seat
>> <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Vic%20RV10/slides/2006-04-07-SnF-25.html>.
>> Cirrus has a similar install. If anyone can take a picture of the
>> Cirrus O2 installation and email them to me, it would be greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Accuracy Avionics has an overhead console for the 10. I bought one.
>> I have pictures and comments on my web site you can see them here
>> <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Overhead/index.html>.
>> Tony and Eric have put together a nice product. It has six cockpit
>> lights for the pilot & co-pilot, rear passengers and the baggage
>> area. Four vents for overhead ventilation and a bar to hang clothing
>> in the baggage area. A scoop mounts to the intersecting fairing and
>> scat tubes connect to the overhead console to pressurize it. There
>> is an area to mount an overhead DVD player that flips down (cool).
>> The package comes in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List
>> price is $1,295, $2,295, and $2,495 respectively. The basic is the
>> console straight from the mold and primed. Standard adds the DVD
>> player, six cockpit lights and 4 eyeball vents. Deluxe adds
>> installation of the components including the nut plates & seal. I
>> bought the standard. Tony and Eric are also putting together a center
>> console and a variety of fiberglass panels. I cannot wait to see the
>> rest of their offerings. Contact information is: Tony Sustare,
>> Accuracy Avionics, 63020 Powel Butte Highway, Suite 1, Bend, Oregon 97701
>> Phone 866/KIT-PANL email: TonyS at accuracy avionics dot com
>>
>> Josh from Direct2 had the Chelton SV-10 wire harness there. It looked
>> complete and well put together, but it was hard to tell with
>> everything curled up. They even have mounts for the GADAHRS and
>> magnetometer Hopefully the wire harness will ship to me soon.
>> Chelton is working on integrating XM weather in addition to WSI
>> weather to give you a choice.
>>
>> Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com/> has a modular molded
>> fiberglass panel that allows the avionics stack to be located anywhere
>> on the panel. They has a system on display with the avionics stack to
>> the right of the center rib. If anyone has a photo of this panel
>> please email it to me.
>>
>> Advanced Flight Systems new EFIS & Engine monitoring graphics are
>> outstanding. Grand Rapids better watch out. Currently the AFS system
>> does not have all the functionality as the GRT system, but with the
>> better screen it has the potential to blow away the GRT and challenge
>> the Chelton systems. But, this will be too late for me.
>>
>> TruTrak is also entering the EFIS marked, but not much info on there
>> system. Maybe at OSH. They did announce a RV-10 autopilot. I guess
>> it positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV.
>>
>> Plane Power's development of a vacuum pad mounted alternator is not
>> going to happen in the near future. They are working on STC's for
>> their existing products. They want the alternator to work at low
>> engine RPM settings and that will take a while.
>>
>> E-Mag/P-Mag was not at the show. Sure wish they were. I need to make
>> a decision on an ignition system.
>>
>> Sorry for the long email. There is probably more that I forgot. Any
>> comments or additional observations would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Tim's engine running hot |
Tim,
I was caught by your comments on the one flight where you had the hight CHTs
on climb out.
Have you experienced this before?
Those of us in the warmer southern climates will have to worry about heating
a lot, so if you can shed more light on the engine cooling issue, we'd all
appreciate it.
Thanks - Grumpy
#40404
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| Subject: | Re: Tim's engine running hot |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Well, the story isn't as big as I was worried it was. When in
Wisconsin, at 30F OAT, I was trying to keep the CHT's below 400
for the most part. #1 was my hottest, and just before the trip I
decided to trim the air dam in front of Cyl. 1 by about 3/8" to
give it more cooling. Well, now #2 is the hottest. I'll probably
trim 1/8" off of #2 as well. But, on climbouts with OAT's in
the 70's-80's, I was not able to keep it reasonably below 400.
I didn't know what the max was, so I called both Vic for
his opinion, and Bart at Aerosport for his. They both coincided.
They said I shouldn't worry about temps like 435F or more
on climbout and that engine can handle 500. So I tested the
theory. On
climbout from SNF and on my route home, I just climbed anyway,
ignoring my self-assigned warning of 400 and 417 on my EIS.
Sure enough, I only hit about 436, even in extended climbs,
and that's with a new engine. Vic says after about 50-60 hours,
the temps go down a bit yet too.
So, you *may* end up trimming your front cyl. air dams (or you
maybe won't, too), but I think you'll end up finding cooling
should be OK. My oil temps usually hung around 185, with
highs around 195-197 I think.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
GenGrumpy@aol.com wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I was caught by your comments on the one flight where you had the hight
> CHTs on climb out.
>
> Have you experienced this before?
>
> Those of us in the warmer southern climates will have to worry about
> heating a lot, so if you can shed more light on the engine cooling
> issue, we'd all appreciate it.
>
> Thanks - Grumpy
> #40404
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | RV-10 Flight Report |
Hi,
John Stewart was kind enough to give a fellow builder a ride in his
RV-10. Here are my impressions of the plane and the flight. Wow, is it
a wonderful machine.
Chuck Spaur
RV-6 N184CB 496 hours
RV-10 (QB wings)
RV-10 Flight Report
Saturday was a beautiful day in Eastern Colorado. The usual suspects
gathered at FTG near Denver and we headed for Goodland, KS for some
breakfast. On the way home we decided to stop at Burlington, Colorado
and look in on John Stewart and his Lindy Award winning RV-10. We had
visited Burlington a couple times during the construction of this
airplane but had not been there since it's been flying.
Our 4-ship squadron of RV-6's and -6A's rolled in and of course we
immediately started admiring the workmanship on the -10. Somehow it
came out (I'm really not sure how) that I'd never ridden in a -10, and
with my -10 tail-cone finished and QB wings well underway it might be a
great opportunity. John said he just needed an excuse to fly and that
was plenty.
We quickly situated our "little RV's" to allow the big -10 room to roll
by on the taxiway. A couple of us jumped in with John and got ready to
go. The first thing I noticed of course was all the room, and then the
visibility. The seat position and large windows allow great visibility
both forward and to the side. (RV-6 pilots are not used to seeing that
well in front of the wings). Strapped in and ready to go John fired up
the big fuel-injected Lycoming. This is the smoothest running aircraft
engine I've seen. And the airplane is remarkably quiet. We taxied out,
ran it up and in about 700 feet we were airborne. The fuel tanks were
pretty full and we were in Colorado with 3 souls on board, so that
performance is the familiar RV quality.
The flying qualities of this -10 are everything RV flyers have come to
expect. The airplane is smooth, quiet and does just what you tell it to
do. Not to anyone's surprise there was a good breeze from the Southwest
blowing across the runway at Burlington. Crosswind handling is very
nice in the -10 with the solid low-speed control authority, and where
the -6's had been cross-controlled pretty good to manage it, the -10
made it look easy. This is an example of an RV-10 that few of us will
match, but it's good to have someone set a high standard for us
builders. Thanks for the ride John.
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Paint cracking is a well documented problem with a clear solution in the
Lancair community. That subject will get some coverage in the next week
or two.
John - $00.02
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 2:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Paint cracking happens where the windows meet the fiberglass canopy.
Vic suggested putting e-glass around the exterior of the window which
may stop or reduce the cracking.
Sorry for the long email. There is probably more that I forgot. Any
comments or additional observations would be appreciated.
--
Larry Rosen
RV-10 #356
http://lrosen.nerv10.com
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| Subject: | sections 11 and 12 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
I've just completed this part, as much as I'm going to do for a while on it.
I went all the way up until where it starts you fitting gap seal and the emp
fairing, which I don't even have yet.
I also completed the trim mechanism/assembly, and am glad I did. It took me
a while to get the adjustments correct for full travel on the servo. I
noticed the motor would slow down and bind itself to a stop on one extreme,
yet at the other extreme it would shut itself off very smartly. My advice
on that is to once again take the initial measurements as a starting point
only, then adjust to get full range of travel both on the servo as well as
on the trim tabs.
My heartache with this though is having to remove the trim cables and
assembly - it sure was hard to get in there! Oh well, I've already got some
small gauge wire wrapped around the ends to pull back through later.
Rob #392
Working on QB shipment -- it's at Vans!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: sections 11 and 12
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I don't see any problem with doing it either way. There's nothing
really in section 11&12 that's too awful dependent on the rest
of the build. I did mine after the fact, and others did it
in order. I don't think there's a problem doing it and disassembling
them either, John...it just doesn't matter much at all. I, like
you and others, don't have room to have an assembled empennage
sitting around, which is why I did it that way. One other thing...
even if you assemble it all, it'll be a heck of a lot easier to
join the tailcone to the fuselage later if you don't have all
those tail feathers attached. That doesn't mean you can't
complete them, just something to think about. I guess I'd just
do whatever feels best, and if you choose to push on to the wings,
but have a hold-up of some sort, you can always touch on those
sections while you wait. One item that may be worth finishing off
in order is just to assemble the trim mechanism though...just so
you have fewer parts laying around to lose.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I appreciate the advice from Larry and Randy, but being at that same
stage,
> and even having the room, I do not see what the rationale is to take my
> pieces off the walls and expose them to hanger rash if I don't have to.
> What is the "have to" rationale behind doing those two steps at this time,
> other than Larry's good point about getting them done. I'd rather, I
think,
> move on to the wings and have the empennage pieces safely out of the way.
> Is it okay to assemble them, then take them apart and store them, or is
this
> not a good thing to do?
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (Tailcone being disassembled soon for final deburrrrrrrring)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: sections 11 and 12
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>
> Since I was waiting on my QB wings and Fuselage I did most of sections
> 11 & 12, and then took it apart for storage. Ideally you would complete
the
> sections and keep them together, and for those working in a hanger they
can
> do that. It will not work in my garage. Another advantage of doing most
of
> 11 & 12 early is that it will speed up final assembly. In my garage I
would
> not be able to put the tail feathers on a fuselage with the engine. Just
> not enough space.
>
> Sorry not a definitive answer, but some things to think about.
>
> Larry
>
> Eric_Kallio wrote:
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
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> maybe even flying or close to it, what is your experience on sections 11
and
> 12. I am getting ready to rivet the tailcone in the upcoming weeks. Does
it
> make sense to complete the next 2 sections fully and then take it apart
and
> keep it dis-assembled for a while, or are those sections that should wait
> until perhaps the finishing kit when I am assuming all the controls are
> rigged to the cyclic (forgive that term it is the helicopter pilot in me
> coming out)? Just trying to stay ahead of the game here. Thanks.
>> Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments |
Hi Tim,
this time bablefish goofed a bit, not as much as on the French but hey
that's limitation it is ;) what did we do before the Internet?
Werner
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>Hey, golly, there's this scroll bar thingy here and if you move it, more words
show up!
>
>
>I prefer:
>Das Pauschalangebot hat drei Arten. Einfach, Standardmaessig, und Luxus. Der
Listenpreis steht beziehungsweise bei $1,295, $2,295, und $2,495.
>
>TDT
>do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
>Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 10:42 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>Larry,
>
>I think Tim;s (TDT's) problem was that he speaks French, so
>he didn't understand it the first time. Here, let me
>help...
>
>Le packet entre 3 parfums. Fondamental, standard et de luxe. Le prix de
>liste est $1.295, $2.295, et $2.495 respectivement.
>
>(All in good humor)
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>Larry Rosen wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> From below
>>
>>The package comes in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List price
>>is $1,295, $2,295, and $2,495 respectively.
>>
>>Larry
>>
>>
>>Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Larry:
>>>
>>>What were the prices on the 3 flavors of overhead panel?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>TDT
>>>
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Larry Rosen
>>>Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 5:45 PM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>>
>>>It was great to get down to Sun-N-Fun. In the past there was not much
>>>there and one day was enough, but now that I am building the two days
>>>was just not enough. Too much to do and see. You can see some of my
>>>photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/index.html>.
>>>
>>>There were 3 customer built RV-10 at the show when I was there.
>>>Unfortunately I did not get t a close look at the TruTrak RV. But
>>>both Vic and Tim 10s are great looking. A special thanks to Tim for
>>>letting me sit in the pilots seat while he turned on the Cheltons and
>>>avionics. I sat there making airplane noises and dreaming I was
>>>flying my completed 10.
>>>
>>>As you know Tim's panel is has the Cheltons side by side and Vic's are
>>>up and down, and both would not change the layout. After sitting in
>>>Tim's plane, side by side works best for me. It sure is great to have
>>>the flexibility to make your own choice and put the plane together as
>>>you want.
>>>
>>>I had thought that I would put inertial reals in for the seat belts.
>>>But with the Tims seat belts on tight I could easily reach the panel
>>>and the avionics stack over to the right. Vic's Crow Enterprizes
>>>belts with the rotary latch look very comfortable. For me it will be
>>>fixed belts, but the wider hooker or crow type with rotary latches.
>>>
>>>Paint cracking happens where the windows meet the fiberglass canopy.
>>>Vic suggested putting e-glass around the exterior of the window which
>>>may stop or reduce the cracking.
>>>
>>>Vic has his oxygen bottle mounted between the passenger seats. It
>>>looked like a good place to mount it in lieu of hanging in on the
>>>co-pilot seat
>>><http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Vic%20RV10/slides/2006-04-07-SnF-25.html>.
>>>Cirrus has a similar install. If anyone can take a picture of the
>>>Cirrus O2 installation and email them to me, it would be greatly
>>>appreciated.
>>>
>>>Accuracy Avionics has an overhead console for the 10. I bought one.
>>>I have pictures and comments on my web site you can see them here
>>><http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Overhead/index.html>.
>>>Tony and Eric have put together a nice product. It has six cockpit
>>>lights for the pilot & co-pilot, rear passengers and the baggage
>>>area. Four vents for overhead ventilation and a bar to hang clothing
>>>in the baggage area. A scoop mounts to the intersecting fairing and
>>>scat tubes connect to the overhead console to pressurize it. There
>>>is an area to mount an overhead DVD player that flips down (cool).
>>>The package comes in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List
>>>price is $1,295, $2,295, and $2,495 respectively. The basic is the
>>>console straight from the mold and primed. Standard adds the DVD
>>>player, six cockpit lights and 4 eyeball vents. Deluxe adds
>>>installation of the components including the nut plates & seal. I
>>>bought the standard. Tony and Eric are also putting together a center
>>>console and a variety of fiberglass panels. I cannot wait to see the
>>>rest of their offerings. Contact information is: Tony Sustare,
>>>Accuracy Avionics, 63020 Powel Butte Highway, Suite 1, Bend, Oregon 97701
>>>Phone 866/KIT-PANL email: TonyS at accuracy avionics dot com
>>>
>>>Josh from Direct2 had the Chelton SV-10 wire harness there. It looked
>>>complete and well put together, but it was hard to tell with
>>>everything curled up. They even have mounts for the GADAHRS and
>>>magnetometer Hopefully the wire harness will ship to me soon.
>>>Chelton is working on integrating XM weather in addition to WSI
>>>weather to give you a choice.
>>>
>>>Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com/> has a modular molded
>>>fiberglass panel that allows the avionics stack to be located anywhere
>>>on the panel. They has a system on display with the avionics stack to
>>>the right of the center rib. If anyone has a photo of this panel
>>>please email it to me.
>>>
>>>Advanced Flight Systems new EFIS & Engine monitoring graphics are
>>>outstanding. Grand Rapids better watch out. Currently the AFS system
>>>does not have all the functionality as the GRT system, but with the
>>>better screen it has the potential to blow away the GRT and challenge
>>>the Chelton systems. But, this will be too late for me.
>>>
>>>TruTrak is also entering the EFIS marked, but not much info on there
>>>system. Maybe at OSH. They did announce a RV-10 autopilot. I guess
>>>it positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV.
>>>
>>>Plane Power's development of a vacuum pad mounted alternator is not
>>>going to happen in the near future. They are working on STC's for
>>>their existing products. They want the alternator to work at low
>>>engine RPM settings and that will take a while.
>>>
>>>E-Mag/P-Mag was not at the show. Sure wish they were. I need to make
>>>a decision on an ignition system.
>>>
>>>Sorry for the long email. There is probably more that I forgot. Any
>>>comments or additional observations would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
Unfortunately that's my own rusty German, not machine-translated!
TDT
40025
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Werner Schneider
Sent: Tue 4/11/2006 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Hi Tim,
this time bablefish goofed a bit, not as much as on the French but hey
that's limitation it is ;) what did we do before the Internet?
Werner
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>Hey, golly, there's this scroll bar thingy here and if you move it, more words
show up!
>
>
>I prefer:
>Das Pauschalangebot hat drei Arten. Einfach, Standardmaessig, und Luxus. Der
Listenpreis steht beziehungsweise bei $1,295, $2,295, und $2,495.
>
>TDT
>do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
>Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 10:42 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>Larry,
>
>I think Tim;s (TDT's) problem was that he speaks French, so
>he didn't understand it the first time. Here, let me
>help...
>
>Le packet entre 3 parfums. Fondamental, standard et de luxe. Le prix de
>liste est $1.295, $2.295, et $2.495 respectivement.
>
>(All in good humor)
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>Larry Rosen wrote:
>
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> From below
>>
>>The package comes in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List price
>>is $1,295, $2,295, and $2,495 respectively.
>>
>>Larry
>>
>>
>>Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Larry:
>>>
>>>What were the prices on the 3 flavors of overhead panel?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>TDT
>>>
>>>do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Larry Rosen
>>>Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 5:45 PM
>>>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>>>
>>>--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>>
>>>It was great to get down to Sun-N-Fun. In the past there was not much
>>>there and one day was enough, but now that I am building the two days
>>>was just not enough. Too much to do and see. You can see some of my
>>>photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/index.html>.
>>>
>>>There were 3 customer built RV-10 at the show when I was there.
>>>Unfortunately I did not get t a close look at the TruTrak RV. But
>>>both Vic and Tim 10s are great looking. A special thanks to Tim for
>>>letting me sit in the pilots seat while he turned on the Cheltons and
>>>avionics. I sat there making airplane noises and dreaming I was
>>>flying my completed 10.
>>>
>>>As you know Tim's panel is has the Cheltons side by side and Vic's are
>>>up and down, and both would not change the layout. After sitting in
>>>Tim's plane, side by side works best for me. It sure is great to have
>>>the flexibility to make your own choice and put the plane together as
>>>you want.
>>>
>>>I had thought that I would put inertial reals in for the seat belts.
>>>But with the Tims seat belts on tight I could easily reach the panel
>>>and the avionics stack over to the right. Vic's Crow Enterprizes
>>>belts with the rotary latch look very comfortable. For me it will be
>>>fixed belts, but the wider hooker or crow type with rotary latches.
>>>
>>>Paint cracking happens where the windows meet the fiberglass canopy.
>>>Vic suggested putting e-glass around the exterior of the window which
>>>may stop or reduce the cracking.
>>>
>>>Vic has his oxygen bottle mounted between the passenger seats. It
>>>looked like a good place to mount it in lieu of hanging in on the
>>>co-pilot seat
>>><http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Vic%20RV10/slides/2006-04-07-SnF-25.html>.
>>>Cirrus has a similar install. If anyone can take a picture of the
>>>Cirrus O2 installation and email them to me, it would be greatly
>>>appreciated.
>>>
>>>Accuracy Avionics has an overhead console for the 10. I bought one.
>>>I have pictures and comments on my web site you can see them here
>>><http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Overhead/index.html>.
>>>Tony and Eric have put together a nice product. It has six cockpit
>>>lights for the pilot & co-pilot, rear passengers and the baggage
>>>area. Four vents for overhead ventilation and a bar to hang clothing
>>>in the baggage area. A scoop mounts to the intersecting fairing and
>>>scat tubes connect to the overhead console to pressurize it. There
>>>is an area to mount an overhead DVD player that flips down (cool).
>>>The package comes in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List
>>>price is $1,295, $2,295, and $2,495 respectively. The basic is the
>>>console straight from the mold and primed. Standard adds the DVD
>>>player, six cockpit lights and 4 eyeball vents. Deluxe adds
>>>installation of the components including the nut plates & seal. I
>>>bought the standard. Tony and Eric are also putting together a center
>>>console and a variety of fiberglass panels. I cannot wait to see the
>>>rest of their offerings. Contact information is: Tony Sustare,
>>>Accuracy Avionics, 63020 Powel Butte Highway, Suite 1, Bend, Oregon 97701
>>>Phone 866/KIT-PANL email: TonyS at accuracy avionics dot com
>>>
>>>Josh from Direct2 had the Chelton SV-10 wire harness there. It looked
>>>complete and well put together, but it was hard to tell with
>>>everything curled up. They even have mounts for the GADAHRS and
>>>magnetometer Hopefully the wire harness will ship to me soon.
>>>Chelton is working on integrating XM weather in addition to WSI
>>>weather to give you a choice.
>>>
>>>Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com/> has a modular molded
>>>fiberglass panel that allows the avionics stack to be located anywhere
>>>on the panel. They has a system on display with the avionics stack to
>>>the right of the center rib. If anyone has a photo of this panel
>>>please email it to me.
>>>
>>>Advanced Flight Systems new EFIS & Engine monitoring graphics are
>>>outstanding. Grand Rapids better watch out. Currently the AFS system
>>>does not have all the functionality as the GRT system, but with the
>>>better screen it has the potential to blow away the GRT and challenge
>>>the Chelton systems. But, this will be too late for me.
>>>
>>>TruTrak is also entering the EFIS marked, but not much info on there
>>>system. Maybe at OSH. They did announce a RV-10 autopilot. I guess
>>>it positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV.
>>>
>>>Plane Power's development of a vacuum pad mounted alternator is not
>>>going to happen in the near future. They are working on STC's for
>>>their existing products. They want the alternator to work at low
>>>engine RPM settings and that will take a while.
>>>
>>>E-Mag/P-Mag was not at the show. Sure wish they were. I need to make
>>>a decision on an ignition system.
>>>
>>>Sorry for the long email. There is probably more that I forgot. Any
>>>comments or additional observations would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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