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1. 01:56 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Werner Schneider)
2. 02:45 AM - Re: Flap hing bracket bearings (Rob Kermanj)
3. 04:24 AM - Re: Flap hing bracket bearings (Rob Kermanj)
4. 04:54 AM - Re: Rain Repellant (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
5. 04:56 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Patrick Thyssen)
6. 05:43 AM - Re: Flap hing bracket bearings (Richard Reynolds)
7. 06:11 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Patrick Thyssen)
8. 06:34 AM - Re: Rain Repellant (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk))
9. 07:34 AM - Re: Flap hing bracket bearings (John Hilger)
10. 11:25 AM - Re: Zenith-List Sun-N-Fun F-22/F-15/P-51 fly by pictures Raptor (Condon, Philip M.)
11. 11:27 AM - IFR related cockpit stuff (Chris Johnston)
12. 11:51 AM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Jesse Saint)
13. 11:52 AM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Olson)
14. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Sun-N-Fun F-22/F-15/P-51 fly by pictures Raptor (Tim Olson)
15. 12:02 PM - Re: Flap hing bracket bearings (Rob Kermanj)
16. 12:10 PM - 540 Crank drawing or dimensions (Jesse Saint)
17. 12:13 PM - Re: 540 Crank drawing or dimensions (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
18. 12:26 PM - Re: 540 Crank drawing or dimensions (Rhonda Bewley)
19. 12:29 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (John Jessen)
20. 12:43 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
21. 12:54 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Olson)
22. 01:03 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Olson)
23. 01:06 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (John Jessen)
24. 01:06 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
25. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Sun-N-Fun F-22/F-15/P-51 fly by pictures Raptor (Conti, Rick)
26. 01:27 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
27. 01:51 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (John Jessen)
28. 01:52 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Brinker)
29. 02:00 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Chris Johnston)
30. 02:56 PM - IFR related cockpit stuff (John Cram)
31. 03:02 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
32. 03:12 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
33. 03:18 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (John Dunne)
34. 03:18 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Randy DeBauw)
35. 03:22 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Olson)
36. 03:24 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Chris Johnston)
37. 03:24 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Brinker)
38. 03:25 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Olson)
39. 03:27 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Olson)
40. 03:27 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (John Jessen)
41. 03:28 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
42. 03:37 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
43. 03:55 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (John Jessen)
44. 03:59 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
45. 03:59 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
46. 04:20 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Nick Nafsinger)
47. 04:40 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (Randy DeBauw)
48. 05:18 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (John Dunne)
49. 05:18 PM - Re: 540 Crank drawing or dimensions (Jesse Saint)
50. 05:25 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Jesse Saint)
51. 05:33 PM - OSH '06 (Jesse Saint)
52. 05:39 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (John Jessen)
53. 05:46 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Dan Masys)
54. 05:46 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (John W. Cox)
55. 06:00 PM - Re: Twenty Nine Palms (John W. Cox)
56. 06:04 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments (John W. Cox)
57. 06:14 PM - Re: planning (John W. Cox)
58. 06:34 PM - Re: ELT Antenna (William)
59. 06:37 PM - Re: Rain Repellant (Patrick Pulis)
60. 06:40 PM - Re: planning (Tim Olson)
61. 07:07 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (David McNeill)
62. 07:16 PM - Re: Back Seat Strap Protection was Sun-N-Fun my comments (LarryRosen@comcast.net)
63. 07:22 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Robert G. Wright)
64. 07:29 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
65. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (David McNeill)
66. 07:43 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
67. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: ELT Antenna (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
68. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (David McNeill)
69. 09:00 PM - Re: IFR related cockpit stuff (Kelly McMullen)
70. 10:22 PM - Re: Back Seat Strap Protection was Sun-N-Fun my comments (John W. Cox)
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
What about designing a NACA Inlet for that?
Werner
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
>
> Yes, it does seem like a bummer to have that air inlet there and it
> looks much too large for air moving at say 180mph or more. (Drag
> bucket) I also wonder whether the propeller swirl (P-factor)will
> cause some of the exhaust gasses to find there way up into that air
> scoop.
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> I also wonder about moisture.
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> The overhead does look great however.
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> John G. #409
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> No not archive
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>> From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:44:36 -0700
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>
>> Hey all -
>>
>> Is there a way to get air into the overhead panel without putting an
>> inlet on the intersection fairing? Does that inlet on the fairing seem
>> like a bummer to anyone else? I really like the look of the overhead
>> panel though. What is the difference between the 3 flavors? Anyone?
>>
>> cj
>> #40410
>> wings
>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:24 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>>
>> From below
>>
>> The package comes in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List price
>> is $1,295,
>> $2,295, and $2,495 respectively.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>>
>> >Larry:
>> >
>> >What were the prices on the 3 flavors of overhead panel?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >TDT
>> >
>> >do not archive
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Larry Rosen
>> >Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 5:45 PM
>> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >Subject: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>> >
>> >--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
>> >
>> >It was great to get down to Sun-N-Fun. In the past there was not much
>> >there and one day was enough, but now that I am building the two days
>> >was just not enough. Too much to do and see. You can see some of my
>> >photos here
>> <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/index.html>.
>> >
>> >There were 3 customer built RV-10 at the show when I was there.
>> >Unfortunately I did not get t a close look at the TruTrak RV. But both
>>
>> >Vic and Tim 10s are great looking. A special thanks to Tim for letting
>>
>> >me sit in the pilots seat while he turned on the Cheltons and avionics.
>>
>> >I sat there making airplane noises and dreaming I was flying my
>> >completed 10.
>> >
>> >As you know Tim's panel is has the Cheltons side by side and Vic's are
>> >up and down, and both would not change the layout. After sitting in
>> >Tim's plane, side by side works best for me. It sure is great to have
>> >the flexibility to make your own choice and put the plane together as
>> >you want.
>> >
>> >I had thought that I would put inertial reals in for the seat belts.
>> >But with the Tims seat belts on tight I could easily reach the panel
>> and
>> >the avionics stack over to the right. Vic's Crow Enterprizes belts
>> with
>> >the rotary latch look very comfortable. For me it will be fixed belts,
>>
>> >but the wider hooker or crow type with rotary latches.
>> >
>> >Paint cracking happens where the windows meet the fiberglass canopy.
>> >Vic suggested putting e-glass around the exterior of the window which
>> >may stop or reduce the cracking.
>> >
>> >Vic has his oxygen bottle mounted between the passenger seats. It
>> >looked like a good place to mount it in lieu of hanging in on the
>> >co-pilot seat
>> ><http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Vic%20RV10/slides/2006
>> -04-07-SnF-25.html>.
>> >Cirrus has a similar install. If anyone can take a picture of the
>> >Cirrus O2 installation and email them to me, it would be greatly
>> >appreciated.
>> >
>> >Accuracy Avionics has an overhead console for the 10. I bought one. I
>>
>> >have pictures and comments on my web site you can see them here
>> ><http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Overhead/index.html>.
>>
>> >Tony and Eric have put together a nice product. It has six cockpit
>> >lights for the pilot & co-pilot, rear passengers and the baggage area.
>>
>> >Four vents for overhead ventilation and a bar to hang clothing in the
>> >baggage area. A scoop mounts to the intersecting fairing and scat
>> tubes
>> >connect to the overhead console to pressurize it. There is an area to
>>
>> >mount an overhead DVD player that flips down (cool). The package comes
>>
>> >in 3 flavors. Basic, standard and deluxe. List price is $1,295,
>> >$2,295, and $2,495 respectively. The basic is the console straight
>> from
>> >the mold and primed. Standard adds the DVD player, six cockpit lights
>> >and 4 eyeball vents. Deluxe adds installation of the components
>> >including the nut plates & seal. I bought the standard. Tony and Eric
>>
>> >are also putting together a center console and a variety of fiberglass
>> >panels. I cannot wait to see the rest of their offerings.
>> >Contact information is: Tony Sustare, Accuracy Avionics, 63020 Powel
>> >Butte Highway, Suite 1, Bend, Oregon 97701
>> >Phone 866/KIT-PANL email: TonyS at accuracy avionics dot com
>> >
>> >Josh from Direct2 had the Chelton SV-10 wire harness there. It looked
>> >complete and well put together, but it was hard to tell with everything
>>
>> >curled up. They even have mounts for the GADAHRS and magnetometer
>> >Hopefully the wire harness will ship to me soon. Chelton is working on
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>> >integrating XM weather in addition to WSI weather to give you a choice.
>> >
>> >Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com/> has a modular molded
>> >fiberglass panel that allows the avionics stack to be located anywhere
>> >on the panel. They has a system on display with the avionics stack to
>> >the right of the center rib. If anyone has a photo of this panel
>> please
>> >email it to me.
>> >
>> >Advanced Flight Systems new EFIS & Engine monitoring graphics are
>> >outstanding. Grand Rapids better watch out. Currently the AFS system
>> >does not have all the functionality as the GRT system, but with the
>> >better screen it has the potential to blow away the GRT and challenge
>> >the Chelton systems. But, this will be too late for me.
>> >
>> >TruTrak is also entering the EFIS marked, but not much info on there
>> >system. Maybe at OSH. They did announce a RV-10 autopilot. I guess
>> it
>> >positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV.
>> >
>> >Plane Power's development of a vacuum pad mounted alternator is not
>> >going to happen in the near future. They are working on STC's for
>> their
>> >existing products. They want the alternator to work at low engine RPM
>> >settings and that will take a while.
>> >
>> >E-Mag/P-Mag was not at the show. Sure wish they were. I need to make
>> a
>> >decision on an ignition system.
>> >
>> >Sorry for the long email. There is probably more that I forgot. Any
>> >comments or additional observations would be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Flap hing bracket bearings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Thanks again. I will look for them.
Do not archive
On 4/11/06, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I think the're Bronze, and they aren't fabricated, but they
> come complete.
>
> I see them on page 22-8, BUSHING 1/4x3/8x.250.
>
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> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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> Rob Kermanj wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> >
> > Thanks for the quick reply. What kind of bushing are they? Bronze?
> > Brass? aluminum? Do they need to be fabricated by me?
> >
> > I have checked the plans and cannot find ANY references (in
> > related/logical sections) to the part and installation instruction.
> > Can you point me to the right place in the manual?
> >
> > My bottom skin is installed and as I said, I am assembling the plane
> > for it's first flight.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> >
> > On 4/11/06, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >>
> >> Yep, the brackets get bushings. You'll need to carefully use a reamer
> >> on those hole so they are nice and snug when you press them in. They
> >> should be in some parts bag. The plans show them, so check the
> >> list against the part number. FYI: You can't have the bushings
> >> installed until the bottom skins go on, or the skin won't fit over
> >> the brackets.
> >>
> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> >> do not archive
> >>
> >>
> >> Rob Kermanj wrote:
> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>> Hello Everyone. I am in process of installing my flaps in
> >>> anticipation of flying the 10 REALLY soon. I purchased the QB wings
> >>> and the hinge brackets were of course installed. The holes in the
> >>> flap brackets are larger than an AN$ bolt which tells me that there
> >>> is supposed to be a bearing inserted in them.
> >>>
> >>> I cannot however locate any bearings or bushing on the parts list or
> >>> reference to them in the Manual. Can someone tell me if they are
> >>> supposed to come installed in the brackets (perhaps they forgot to
> >>> install them) or a part no so that I can call Van and ask for them.
> >>>
> >>> The Van guys are traveling and Bruce (at Vans) was unable to help. I
> >>> am so close that I can taste the first flight and don't want to wait
> >>> a couple of more days for the guys at Van to return.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Do not Archive.
> >>>
> >>> Kermanj Rob
> >>> robkermanj at gmail dot com
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| Subject: | Re: Flap hing bracket bearings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Thank you all for your response. I found the reference to these
bushings on a revision sheet.
Do not archive
On 4/12/06, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks again. I will look for them.
>
> Do not archive
>
> On 4/11/06, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > I think the're Bronze, and they aren't fabricated, but they
> > come complete.
> >
> > I see them on page 22-8, BUSHING 1/4x3/8x.250.
> >
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > Rob Kermanj wrote:
> > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Thanks for the quick reply. What kind of bushing are they? Bronze?
> > > Brass? aluminum? Do they need to be fabricated by me?
> > >
> > > I have checked the plans and cannot find ANY references (in
> > > related/logical sections) to the part and installation instruction.
> > > Can you point me to the right place in the manual?
> > >
> > > My bottom skin is installed and as I said, I am assembling the plane
> > > for it's first flight.
> > >
> > > Thanks again.
> > >
> > > Do not archive.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/11/06, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > >>
> > >> Yep, the brackets get bushings. You'll need to carefully use a reamer
> > >> on those hole so they are nice and snug when you press them in. They
> > >> should be in some parts bag. The plans show them, so check the
> > >> list against the part number. FYI: You can't have the bushings
> > >> installed until the bottom skins go on, or the skin won't fit over
> > >> the brackets.
> > >>
> > >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > >> do not archive
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Rob Kermanj wrote:
> > >>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello Everyone. I am in process of installing my flaps in
> > >>> anticipation of flying the 10 REALLY soon. I purchased the QB wings
> > >>> and the hinge brackets were of course installed. The holes in the
> > >>> flap brackets are larger than an AN$ bolt which tells me that there
> > >>> is supposed to be a bearing inserted in them.
> > >>>
> > >>> I cannot however locate any bearings or bushing on the parts list or
> > >>> reference to them in the Manual. Can someone tell me if they are
> > >>> supposed to come installed in the brackets (perhaps they forgot to
> > >>> install them) or a part no so that I can call Van and ask for them.
> > >>>
> > >>> The Van guys are traveling and Bruce (at Vans) was unable to help. I
> > >>> am so close that I can taste the first flight and don't want to wait
> > >>> a couple of more days for the guys at Van to return.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks.
> > >>>
> > >>> Do not Archive.
> > >>>
> > >>> Kermanj Rob
> > >>> robkermanj at gmail dot com
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| Subject: | Re: Rain Repellant |
Just beware that Pledge has a high amount of alcohol in it plus a good slug
of water...it could cause your plexiglass to soften or haze...I know the Pledge
trick has been used by a lot of owners but it may not be the best way to
clean or keep the windscreen clean...sort of an old wives tale cure...you might
contact SC Johnson--they have a phone number on each can--and ask them for their
advise on using using Pledge on Plexiglass/planes to see if they've tested it
long term.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
About the yaw Damper, about six weeks ago myself and another -10 builder went
up to tru trak and got a flight in theirs. They have the rv10 autpilot in it
and the weather was bumpy to say the least and we certainly could tell the difference
when the yaw was turned on and not turned on. It was not so bad in the
front but my partner said he could reallly tell the difference. We both decided
at that point we would get it.
That's my .02.
Pat
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John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
A long time ago, now, after riding in back of Van's demo -10 (son in front),
I posted on this site that when we hit a light bump or two I noticed a
wiggle. At that time there weren't any other -10's flying and my email went
nowhere. However, I made a note that if I could afford a yaw dampener, I'd
get one. Given that one is going to have inexperienced light plane riders
in the back, and I've had one too many lose their cookies in the back of a
182, I suggest seriously thinking about adding one if at all possible. Not
sure about losing functionality in the autopilot, but those implications
need more time to sink into the gray matter.
Remember, us folks who fly regularly have our sea legs. Those poor folks
who sit in the back probably do not have theirs.
John Jessen
~328 (heading into serious buildus interruptus yet again)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
So far I haven't had any complaints from passengers. I myself did comment
when I did the demo flight that the -10 seemed to have a bit of a tail
waggle oscillation in turbulence....and I wondered if a yaw dampener might
not be a bad idea someday.
That said, from the flight down and back, I rode turbulence all the way down
and didn't experience anything that would cause me to think a dampener was
needed. On the way home, in the last few miles, we got tossed around quite
a bit and at that time I could see a use for it...but considering the
turbulence I was ok with how it performed without. It may be a long term
goal.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Robert G. Wright wrote:
> Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer's VOR/ILS/GS functions
> are removed, a yaw dampener is added. Alex's wife felt a lot of
> waggle in the back seat since it's behind the spar, so he adjusted the
> software for the price of the VOR/ILS/GS. In his -10 he can overlay
> any approach he wants to using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of
> functionality, and he gains the yaw dampener.
>
>
>
> Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters'
> experiences?
>
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>
> Rob #392
>
> Waiting QB shipment
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *GRANSCOTT@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>
>
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> Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of
> last week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I
> was aware of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final
> approach course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS
> approach...but I'm not really sure that is correct.
>
>
>
> Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.
>
>
>
> P
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> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flap hing bracket bearings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds@macs.net>
They are in Bag 1255, 6X BUSHING 1/4X3/8X.250 FLAP BUSHING
Richard Reynolds
On Apr 12, 2006, at 5:43 AM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
>
> Thanks again. I will look for them.
>
> Do not archive
>
> On 4/11/06, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> I think the're Bronze, and they aren't fabricated, but they
>> come complete.
>>
>> I see them on page 22-8, BUSHING 1/4x3/8x.250.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Rob Kermanj wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the quick reply. What kind of bushing are they? Bronze?
>>> Brass? aluminum? Do they need to be fabricated by me?
>>>
>>> I have checked the plans and cannot find ANY references (in
>>> related/logical sections) to the part and installation instruction.
>>> Can you point me to the right place in the manual?
>>>
>>> My bottom skin is installed and as I said, I am assembling the plane
>>> for it's first flight.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Do not archive.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/11/06, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, the brackets get bushings. You'll need to carefully use a
>>>> reamer
>>>> on those hole so they are nice and snug when you press them in.
>>>> They
>>>> should be in some parts bag. The plans show them, so check the
>>>> list against the part number. FYI: You can't have the bushings
>>>> installed until the bottom skins go on, or the skin won't fit over
>>>> the brackets.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob Kermanj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj"
>>>>> <flysrv10@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Everyone. I am in process of installing my flaps in
>>>>> anticipation of flying the 10 REALLY soon. I purchased the QB
>>>>> wings
>>>>> and the hinge brackets were of course installed. The holes in the
>>>>> flap brackets are larger than an AN$ bolt which tells me that
>>>>> there
>>>>> is supposed to be a bearing inserted in them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I cannot however locate any bearings or bushing on the parts
>>>>> list or
>>>>> reference to them in the Manual. Can someone tell me if they are
>>>>> supposed to come installed in the brackets (perhaps they forgot to
>>>>> install them) or a part no so that I can call Van and ask for
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Van guys are traveling and Bruce (at Vans) was unable to
>>>>> help. I
>>>>> am so close that I can taste the first flight and don't want to
>>>>> wait
>>>>> a couple of more days for the guys at Van to return.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do not Archive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kermanj Rob
>>>>> robkermanj at gmail dot com
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
That is get the Yaw damper.
Pat
Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
About the yaw Damper, about six weeks ago myself and another -10 builder went
up to tru trak and got a flight in theirs. They have the rv10 autpilot in
it and the weather was bumpy to say the least and we certainly could tell the
difference when the yaw was turned on and not turned on. It was not so bad in
the front but my partner said he could reallly tell the difference. We both
decided at that point we would get it.
That's my .02.
Pat
257
John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen"
A long time ago, now, after riding in back of Van's demo -10 (son in front),
I posted on this site that when we hit a light bump or two I noticed a
wiggle. At that time there weren't any other -10's flying and my email went
nowhere. However, I made a note that if I could afford a yaw dampener, I'd
get one. Given that one is going to have inexperienced light plane riders
in the back, and I've had one too many lose their cookies in the back of a
182, I suggest seriously thinking about adding one if at all possible. Not
sure about losing functionality in the autopilot, but those implications
need more time to sink into the gray matter.
Remember, us folks who fly regularly have our sea legs. Those poor folks
who sit in the back probably do not have theirs.
John Jessen
~328 (heading into serious buildus interruptus yet again)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
So far I haven't had any complaints from passengers. I myself did comment
when I did the demo flight that the -10 seemed to have a bit of a tail
waggle oscillation in turbulence....and I wondered if a yaw dampener might
not be a bad idea someday.
That said, from the flight down and back, I rode turbulence all the way down
and didn't experience anything that would cause me to think a dampener was
needed. On the way home, in the last few miles, we got tossed around quite
a bit and at that time I could see a use for it...but considering the
turbulence I was ok with how it performed without. It may be a long term
goal.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Robert G. Wright wrote:
> Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer's VOR/ILS/GS functions
> are removed, a yaw dampener is added. Alex's wife felt a lot of
> waggle in the back seat since it's behind the spar, so he adjusted the
> software for the price of the VOR/ILS/GS. In his -10 he can overlay
> any approach he wants to using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of
> functionality, and he gains the yaw dampener.
>
>
>
> Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters'
> experiences?
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> Rob #392
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> Waiting QB shipment
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>
> --
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *GRANSCOTT@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
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> Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of
> last week, and other
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Motorcycle stores and aircraft suppliers have spray plexi cleaners and
polish that are readily available for your windscreens. Also, mcguires
makes similar products available at auto body supply store and auto
parts stores.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rain Repellant
Just beware that Pledge has a high amount of alcohol in it plus a good
slug of water...it could cause your plexiglass to soften or haze...I
know the Pledge trick has been used by a lot of owners but it may not be
the best way to clean or keep the windscreen clean...sort of an old
wives tale cure...you might contact SC Johnson--they have a phone number
on each can--and ask them for their advise on using using Pledge on
Plexiglass/planes to see if they've tested it long term.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Flap hing bracket bearings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hilger" <ninepapa@bendbroadband.com>
Page 22-8
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap hing bracket bearings
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
>
> Thanks for the quick reply. What kind of bushing are they? Bronze?
> Brass? aluminum? Do they need to be fabricated by me?
>
> I have checked the plans and cannot find ANY references (in
> related/logical sections) to the part and installation instruction.
> Can you point me to the right place in the manual?
>
> My bottom skin is installed and as I said, I am assembling the plane
> for it's first flight.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> On 4/11/06, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> >
> > Yep, the brackets get bushings. You'll need to carefully use a reamer
> > on those hole so they are nice and snug when you press them in. They
> > should be in some parts bag. The plans show them, so check the
> > list against the part number. FYI: You can't have the bushings
> > installed until the bottom skins go on, or the skin won't fit over
> > the brackets.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > Rob Kermanj wrote:
> > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Hello Everyone. I am in process of installing my flaps in
> > > anticipation of flying the 10 REALLY soon. I purchased the QB wings
> > > and the hinge brackets were of course installed. The holes in the
> > > flap brackets are larger than an AN$ bolt which tells me that there
> > > is supposed to be a bearing inserted in them.
> > >
> > > I cannot however locate any bearings or bushing on the parts list or
> > > reference to them in the Manual. Can someone tell me if they are
> > > supposed to come installed in the brackets (perhaps they forgot to
> > > install them) or a part no so that I can call Van and ask for them.
> > >
> > > The Van guys are traveling and Bruce (at Vans) was unable to help. I
> > > am so close that I can taste the first flight and don't want to wait
> > > a couple of more days for the guys at Van to return.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Do not Archive.
> > >
> > > Kermanj Rob
> > > robkermanj at gmail dot com
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Sun-N-Fun F-22/F-15/P-51 fly by pictures |
Raptor
Cc: <rv10-list@matronics.com>, <rv-list@matronics.com>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
Can anyone host the two Raptor pictures from last week sun-n-fun for
the group ??
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| Subject: | IFR related cockpit stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Hey all -
For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's thoughts
about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or enroute charts?
I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument rated
pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm tired of
lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the chelton will tell
you all you need to know about the approach, and the Trutrak autopilot
will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being able to see the plate
on the screen, possibly with a little airplane super-imposed on it. So
do you go "electronic flightbag" with a tablet computer? MX20 is a
thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be using it for.
Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution? Be
gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
cj
#40410
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | IFR related cockpit stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
You could look into the Flight Cheetah by true
flight(www.aviationsafety.com). The problem we found out on using plates
with the plane superimposed is that the plates are not to scale. I think
Anywhere's Pocket Plates has that option, but you have to calibrate every
plate before using it. That on a pocket PC or a tablet PC would also be
good. True Flight's GPS, weather and plates are really nice to have. They
have some great ways of displaying info like winds aloft, echo tops, metars,
etc that I have not seen elsewhere. They will calculate for you the fastest
and cheapest flight level based on winds aloft over your route, fuel burn at
different altitudes (you plug in fuel available at the beginning of the
flight), etc. I don't know how much the weather option costs for the
Chelton, but this may be an alternative, with a backup moving map as well,
and the plates, of course. The updates are the cheapest I have seen for the
plates and the software.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Hey all -
For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's thoughts
about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or enroute charts?
I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument rated
pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm tired of
lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the chelton will tell
you all you need to know about the approach, and the Trutrak autopilot
will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being able to see the plate
on the screen, possibly with a little airplane super-imposed on it. So
do you go "electronic flightbag" with a tablet computer? MX20 is a
thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be using it for.
Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution? Be
gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
cj
#40410
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | Re: IFR related cockpit stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
actually gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach,
including flying the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll
still want to have some sort of chart. What I've done so far is
to start using a tablet PC. I need to get out now and fly with
it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD charts, by the way, are
very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got the DVD,
and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
good at entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches
and just put desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time
got eaten up and I ended up not being able to get much info.
For the time being though, what I have now would work in a
pinch.
FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts
on his Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what
most people would want to try....hardware mods and additions.
PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Chris Johnston wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>
> Hey all -
>
> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's thoughts
> about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or enroute charts?
> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument rated
> pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm tired of
> lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the chelton will tell
> you all you need to know about the approach, and the Trutrak autopilot
> will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being able to see the plate
> on the screen, possibly with a little airplane super-imposed on it. So
> do you go "electronic flightbag" with a tablet computer? MX20 is a
> thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be using it for.
> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution? Be
> gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>
> cj
> #40410
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Zenith-List Sun-N-Fun F-22/F-15/P-51 fly by pictures |
Raptor
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/SNF2006/index.html
do not archive
Condon, Philip M. wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon@mitre.org>
>
> Can anyone host the two Raptor pictures from last week sun-n-fun for
> the group ??
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap hing bracket bearings |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Thank you. I did not get them in my Kit but was able to locate them
locally. Thanks again.
Do not archive.
On 4/12/06, John Hilger <ninepapa@bendbroadband.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hilger" <ninepapa@bendbroadband.com>
>
> Page 22-8
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:13 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap hing bracket bearings
>
>
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> >
> > Thanks for the quick reply. What kind of bushing are they? Bronze?
> > Brass? aluminum? Do they need to be fabricated by me?
> >
> > I have checked the plans and cannot find ANY references (in
> > related/logical sections) to the part and installation instruction.
> > Can you point me to the right place in the manual?
> >
> > My bottom skin is installed and as I said, I am assembling the plane
> > for it's first flight.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> >
> > On 4/11/06, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > >
> > > Yep, the brackets get bushings. You'll need to carefully use a reamer
> > > on those hole so they are nice and snug when you press them in. They
> > > should be in some parts bag. The plans show them, so check the
> > > list against the part number. FYI: You can't have the bushings
> > > installed until the bottom skins go on, or the skin won't fit over
> > > the brackets.
> > >
> > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob Kermanj wrote:
> > > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > Hello Everyone. I am in process of installing my flaps in
> > > > anticipation of flying the 10 REALLY soon. I purchased the QB wings
> > > > and the hinge brackets were of course installed. The holes in the
> > > > flap brackets are larger than an AN$ bolt which tells me that there
> > > > is supposed to be a bearing inserted in them.
> > > >
> > > > I cannot however locate any bearings or bushing on the parts list or
> > > > reference to them in the Manual. Can someone tell me if they are
> > > > supposed to come installed in the brackets (perhaps they forgot to
> > > > install them) or a part no so that I can call Van and ask for them.
> > > >
> > > > The Van guys are traveling and Bruce (at Vans) was unable to help. I
> > > > am so close that I can taste the first flight and don't want to wait
> > > > a couple of more days for the guys at Van to return.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Do not Archive.
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> > > > robkermanj at gmail dot com
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| Subject: | 540 Crank drawing or dimensions |
Does anybody have a drawing or at least detailed dimensions of the 540
parallel valve crank shaft? We have found a case to use for fitting out
cowl, but haven't found a crank yet. If we could have a piece machined that
would fit from the case to where we will need to measure for the cowling,
that would work for us. Or, does anybody have a bad crank that they would
be willing to loan, donate or sell cheaply to the cause?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
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| Subject: | 540 Crank drawing or dimensions |
Ha ha! The supply of junk Lycoming cranks should be fairly plentiful!
: )
TDT
Do not archive
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 540 Crank drawing or dimensions
Does anybody have a drawing or at least detailed dimensions of the 540
parallel valve crank shaft? We have found a case to use for fitting out
cowl, but haven't found a crank yet. If we could have a piece machined
that would fit from the case to where we will need to measure for the
cowling, that would work for us. Or, does anybody have a bad crank that
they would be willing to loan, donate or sell cheaply to the cause?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can
check from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC
office at 352-465-4545.
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OK. Even I have a sense of humor, and that cracked me up, especially as
I sit here writing my FAA Training Program Manual. Ugh!!!!
Rhonda
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 540 Crank drawing or dimensions
Ha ha! The supply of junk Lycoming cranks should be fairly plentiful!
: )
TDT
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________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 540 Crank drawing or dimensions
Does anybody have a drawing or at least detailed dimensions of the 540
parallel valve crank shaft? We have found a case to use for fitting out
cowl, but haven't found a crank yet. If we could have a piece machined
that would fit from the case to where we will need to measure for the
cowling, that would work for us. Or, does anybody have a bad crank that
they would be willing to loan, donate or sell cheaply to the cause?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can
check from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC
office at 352-465-4545.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th, because
none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken me by
surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states "It's
loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight planning...."
I assumed charts. Yeow.
John Jessen
~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations of
various equipment.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it actually
gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including flying
the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have some
sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC. I need
to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD charts,
by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got the
DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very good at
entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just put
desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got eaten up
and I ended up not being able to get much info.
For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would want to
try....hardware mods and additions.
PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Chris Johnston wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>
> Hey all -
>
> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or enroute
charts?
> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and the
> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what little
I'd be using it for.
> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>
> cj
> #40410
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
NavData is used by moving maps and GPS units and is a database of
navaids, airports, etc, and their lat/lons.
If you want terminal charts, you need "JeppView" - a separate (and
pricier) subscription, as well as something that is compatible to
display them. (How about a nice Avidyne EX500?)
BTW, when Jesse said the government charts available on many tablets
aren't "to scale" he really meant they aren't "geo-referenced". That's
what allows ownships and flightplans to be overlaid on top.
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
because
none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken me
by
surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states "It's
loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
planning...."
I assumed charts. Yeow.
John Jessen
~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations of
various equipment.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
actually
gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including
flying
the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have
some
sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC. I
need
to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
charts,
by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got
the
DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very good
at
entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
put
desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got eaten
up
and I ended up not being able to get much info.
For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
want to
try....hardware mods and additions.
PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Chris Johnston wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>
> Hey all -
>
> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
enroute
charts?
> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and the
> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
little
I'd be using it for.
> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>
> cj
> #40410
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That's correct. Considering the cost of Jepp updates though,
I'm ok with doing some of this using a tablet where the cost
can be cheap. The subscriptions and cost of doing it
on the MX-20 is not at all a cheap solution....you should
price it sometime.
All the approach Jepp navdata is on the screen, and I know I
could comfortably fly an entire approach without a chart in
hand at all. The nice thing about the chart though is
having the info like MDA and other things quickly available
in a standardized format. I haven't found the MDA on
an approach on screen yet, and don't know that it's there.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th, because
> none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken me by
> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states "It's
> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight planning...."
> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations of
> various equipment.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it actually
> gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including flying
> the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have some
> sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC. I need
> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD charts,
> by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got the
> DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very good at
> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just put
> desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got eaten up
> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>
> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would want to
> try....hardware mods and additions.
>
> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>
>> Hey all -
>>
>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or enroute
> charts?
>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and the
>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what little
> I'd be using it for.
>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>
>> cj
>> #40410
>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oooooh oooooh, I almost forgot to say that.... The EX500 is
a beautiful piece of equipment. If charting is really what you
want on one of those boxes, go for the EX500. Now, Tim, fill
us in on the costs of the box plus JeppView and a subscription.
I do think that would be sweet though.
The tablet option, with a little scripting work, will cost me
the price of a laptop/tablet to run the charts on, plus
about $10. Annual cost....so far $0-10 if you're willing to
do a tiny bit of legwork with an old scrap PC.
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
> NavData is used by moving maps and GPS units and is a database of
> navaids, airports, etc, and their lat/lons.
>
> If you want terminal charts, you need "JeppView" - a separate (and
> pricier) subscription, as well as something that is compatible to
> display them. (How about a nice Avidyne EX500?)
>
> BTW, when Jesse said the government charts available on many tablets
> aren't "to scale" he really meant they aren't "geo-referenced". That's
> what allows ownships and flightplans to be overlaid on top.
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
> because
> none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken me
> by
> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states "It's
> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
> planning...."
> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations of
> various equipment.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
> actually
> gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including
> flying
> the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have
> some
> sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC. I
> need
> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
> charts,
> by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got
> the
> DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very good
> at
> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
> put
> desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got eaten
> up
> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>
> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
> want to
> try....hardware mods and additions.
>
> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>
>> Hey all -
>>
>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
> enroute
> charts?
>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and the
>
>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
> little
> I'd be using it for.
>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>
>> cj
>> #40410
>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Yeah, I even knew this, but for some reason jumped to the conclusion that,
with all that horsepower, one could just add JeppView and be done with it.
One of the benefits of going glass, in my mind, is the ability to do away
with the paper charts. You might still have them stowed in the back as
ballast. As everyone has surely done, I'm going to put together some
combinations of things and see what I come up with that can include
electronic charts. What would I lose, other than HITS, if I went with an
MX20, 480, two of Rob's new units, SL30, etc? I've got to do some more
research and costing out.
John Jessen
~328 (cross-eyed at the moment)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
--> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
NavData is used by moving maps and GPS units and is a database of navaids,
airports, etc, and their lat/lons.
If you want terminal charts, you need "JeppView" - a separate (and
pricier) subscription, as well as something that is compatible to display
them. (How about a nice Avidyne EX500?)
BTW, when Jesse said the government charts available on many tablets aren't
"to scale" he really meant they aren't "geo-referenced". That's what allows
ownships and flightplans to be overlaid on top.
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th, because
none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken me by
surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states "It's
loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight planning...."
I assumed charts. Yeow.
John Jessen
~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations of
various equipment.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it actually
gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including flying
the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have some
sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC. I need
to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD charts,
by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got the
DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very good at
entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just put
desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got eaten up
and I ended up not being able to get much info.
For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would want to
try....hardware mods and additions.
PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Chris Johnston wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>
> Hey all -
>
> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
enroute
charts?
> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and the
> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
little
I'd be using it for.
> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>
> cj
> #40410
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Your local Flight Standards office might have something to say about
flying IFR without either paper or electronic approach charts in hand .
. .
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That's correct. Considering the cost of Jepp updates though,
I'm ok with doing some of this using a tablet where the cost
can be cheap. The subscriptions and cost of doing it
on the MX-20 is not at all a cheap solution....you should
price it sometime.
All the approach Jepp navdata is on the screen, and I know I
could comfortably fly an entire approach without a chart in
hand at all. The nice thing about the chart though is
having the info like MDA and other things quickly available
in a standardized format. I haven't found the MDA on
an approach on screen yet, and don't know that it's there.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
because
> none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken
me by
> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states
"It's
> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
planning...."
> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations
of
> various equipment.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
actually
> gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including
flying
> the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have
some
> sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC.
I need
> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
charts,
> by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got
the
> DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
good at
> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
put
> desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got
eaten up
> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>
> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
want to
> try....hardware mods and additions.
>
> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>
>> Hey all -
>>
>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
enroute
> charts?
>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and
the
>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
little
> I'd be using it for.
>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>
>> cj
>> #40410
>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List Sun-N-Fun F-22/F-15/P-51 fly by pictures |
Raptor
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
Tim,
As I viewed the pictures of the Raptor, I noticed the pilot side step on
your 10 "hangs" straight down. Mine are at a slight angle, with the
step aft of the connecting rod. I believe I installed them according to
the instructions (don't have them or the plane here). Did you install
yours other than per instruction or did I make mistake?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Zenith-List Sun-N-Fun F-22/F-15/P-51 fly by
pictures Raptor
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/SNF2006/index.html
do not archive
Condon, Philip M. wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condon, Philip M."
<pcondon@mitre.org>
>
> Can anyone host the two Raptor pictures from last week sun-n-fun for
> the group ??
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Okay, but you're not going to like it!
EX500: $8,995
Includes XM weather, Traffic interfaces, Stormscope interface,
"Multilink" two-way Datalink.
(or spend $16,985 and get a package with also a TAS600 (formerly TCAD)
ACTIVE traffic sensor)
Plus:
JeppView chart function (we call it "CMax"): $2,495
Jeppesen subscriptions for terminal charts range from $376 for "US West"
to $965 for "48 states" . . .
But it's certified and since most charts are geo-referenced, you can
overlay ownship and flightplans! It supports "day" and "night" color
palettes, too.
One cool thing that is useful on a handful of charts is that Visual
approaches are also geo-referenced. So we can overlay your ownship on
the chart for the Roaring Fork Visual approach to Aspen. This give you
great situational awareness, since you're no longer dependent on
identifying one named mountain from another . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oooooh oooooh, I almost forgot to say that.... The EX500 is
a beautiful piece of equipment. If charting is really what you
want on one of those boxes, go for the EX500. Now, Tim, fill
us in on the costs of the box plus JeppView and a subscription.
I do think that would be sweet though.
The tablet option, with a little scripting work, will cost me
the price of a laptop/tablet to run the charts on, plus
about $10. Annual cost....so far $0-10 if you're willing to
do a tiny bit of legwork with an old scrap PC.
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
> NavData is used by moving maps and GPS units and is a database of
> navaids, airports, etc, and their lat/lons.
>
> If you want terminal charts, you need "JeppView" - a separate (and
> pricier) subscription, as well as something that is compatible to
> display them. (How about a nice Avidyne EX500?)
>
> BTW, when Jesse said the government charts available on many tablets
> aren't "to scale" he really meant they aren't "geo-referenced".
That's
> what allows ownships and flightplans to be overlaid on top.
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
> because
> none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken
me
> by
> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states
"It's
> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
> planning...."
> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations
of
> various equipment.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
> actually
> gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including
> flying
> the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have
> some
> sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC.
I
> need
> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
> charts,
> by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got
> the
> DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
good
> at
> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
> put
> desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got
eaten
> up
> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>
> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
> want to
> try....hardware mods and additions.
>
> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>
>> Hey all -
>>
>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
> enroute
> charts?
>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and
the
>
>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
> little
> I'd be using it for.
>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>
>> cj
>> #40410
>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
This may indeed be an option, a direction, one avenue to pursue. Thanks for
the info!
John Jessen
~328 (rethinking everything...ah the joys of experimental daydreaming!)
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
--> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Okay, but you're not going to like it!
EX500: $8,995
Includes XM weather, Traffic interfaces, Stormscope interface, "Multilink"
two-way Datalink.
(or spend $16,985 and get a package with also a TAS600 (formerly TCAD)
ACTIVE traffic sensor)
Plus:
JeppView chart function (we call it "CMax"): $2,495
Jeppesen subscriptions for terminal charts range from $376 for "US West"
to $965 for "48 states" . . .
But it's certified and since most charts are geo-referenced, you can overlay
ownship and flightplans! It supports "day" and "night" color palettes, too.
One cool thing that is useful on a handful of charts is that Visual
approaches are also geo-referenced. So we can overlay your ownship on the
chart for the Roaring Fork Visual approach to Aspen. This give you great
situational awareness, since you're no longer dependent on identifying one
named mountain from another . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oooooh oooooh, I almost forgot to say that.... The EX500 is
a beautiful piece of equipment. If charting is really what you want on one
of those boxes, go for the EX500. Now, Tim, fill us in on the costs of the
box plus JeppView and a subscription.
I do think that would be sweet though.
The tablet option, with a little scripting work, will cost me the price of a
laptop/tablet to run the charts on, plus about $10. Annual cost....so far
$0-10 if you're willing to do a tiny bit of legwork with an old scrap PC.
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
> NavData is used by moving maps and GPS units and is a database of
> navaids, airports, etc, and their lat/lons.
>
> If you want terminal charts, you need "JeppView" - a separate (and
> pricier) subscription, as well as something that is compatible to
> display them. (How about a nice Avidyne EX500?)
>
> BTW, when Jesse said the government charts available on many tablets
> aren't "to scale" he really meant they aren't "geo-referenced".
That's
> what allows ownships and flightplans to be overlaid on top.
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
> because none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This
> has taken
me
> by
> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states
"It's
> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
> planning...."
> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations
of
> various equipment.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
> actually gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach,
> including flying the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll
> still want to have some sort of chart. What I've done so far is to
> start using a tablet PC.
I
> need
> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
> charts, by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the
> approaches. I got the DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually
> from the FAA site.
> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
good
> at
> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
> put desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got
eaten
> up
> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>
> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
> want to try....hardware mods and additions.
>
> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>
>> Hey all -
>>
>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
> enroute
> charts?
>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and
the
>
>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
> little
> I'd be using it for.
>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>
>> cj
>> #40410
>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
I am working on a 12v computer system with 8" touch screen.
With True Flight software. So far I am impressed with all the capabilities
it provides including showing the accual approach charts as well as
overlaying them on the flight plan. Although True Flight does have a
disclaimer stating the approach plates are not intended to replace the paper
ones. Just trying to cover they're tail from a possible law suite I suppose.
I would think it to be a good idea to print out (which can be done with the
software)whatever charts we're required for the flight plan just in case the
computer fails. So far I have only used it at home just to check it out and
get fimiliar with it. But I think it will be very useful once I get my IFR
rating. I believe it will be a nice addition to and add even more redundancy
to the GRT 3 screen dual ahrs I am planning on.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> That's correct. Considering the cost of Jepp updates though,
> I'm ok with doing some of this using a tablet where the cost
> can be cheap. The subscriptions and cost of doing it
> on the MX-20 is not at all a cheap solution....you should
> price it sometime.
>
> All the approach Jepp navdata is on the screen, and I know I
> could comfortably fly an entire approach without a chart in
> hand at all. The nice thing about the chart though is
> having the info like MDA and other things quickly available
> in a standardized format. I haven't found the MDA on
> an approach on screen yet, and don't know that it's there.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John Jessen wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
>> because
>> none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken me
>> by
>> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states "It's
>> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
>> planning...."
>> I assumed charts. Yeow. John Jessen ~328 (amazed...and am doing some
>> recalculations and recombinations of
>> various equipment.)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
>> actually
>> gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including
>> flying
>> the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have some
>> sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC. I
>> need
>> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
>> charts,
>> by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got
>> the
>> DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
>> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very good
>> at
>> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
>> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
>> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just put
>> desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
>> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
>> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
>> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
>> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got eaten
>> up
>> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
>> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>>
>> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
>> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would want
>> to
>> try....hardware mods and additions.
>>
>> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Chris Johnston wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" -->
>>> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>>
>>> Hey all -
>>>
>>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's thoughts
>>> about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or enroute
>> charts?
>>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument rated
>>> pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm tired of
>>> lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the chelton will tell
>>> you all you need to know about the approach, and the Trutrak autopilot
>>> will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being able to see the plate
>>> on the screen, possibly with a little airplane super-imposed on it. So
>>> do you go "electronic flightbag" with a tablet computer? MX20 is a
>>> thought but is a little pricey for what little
>> I'd be using it for.
>>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution? Be
>>> gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>>
>>> cj
>>> #40410
>>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>>>
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
http://www.flightprep.com/rootpage.php?page=chartcaseinfo
I did see these guys at S-N-F and liked it. Maybe a tablet pc kneeboard
with Bluetooth GPS running this. The only thing is that I like the jepp
stuff better. Harrumph.
cj
#40410
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Okay, but you're not going to like it!
EX500: $8,995
Includes XM weather, Traffic interfaces, Stormscope interface,
"Multilink" two-way Datalink.
(or spend $16,985 and get a package with also a TAS600 (formerly TCAD)
ACTIVE traffic sensor)
Plus:
JeppView chart function (we call it "CMax"): $2,495
Jeppesen subscriptions for terminal charts range from $376 for "US West"
to $965 for "48 states" . . .
But it's certified and since most charts are geo-referenced, you can
overlay ownship and flightplans! It supports "day" and "night" color
palettes, too.
One cool thing that is useful on a handful of charts is that Visual
approaches are also geo-referenced. So we can overlay your ownship on
the chart for the Roaring Fork Visual approach to Aspen. This give you
great situational awareness, since you're no longer dependent on
identifying one named mountain from another . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oooooh oooooh, I almost forgot to say that.... The EX500 is
a beautiful piece of equipment. If charting is really what you
want on one of those boxes, go for the EX500. Now, Tim, fill
us in on the costs of the box plus JeppView and a subscription.
I do think that would be sweet though.
The tablet option, with a little scripting work, will cost me
the price of a laptop/tablet to run the charts on, plus
about $10. Annual cost....so far $0-10 if you're willing to
do a tiny bit of legwork with an old scrap PC.
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
> NavData is used by moving maps and GPS units and is a database of
> navaids, airports, etc, and their lat/lons.
>
> If you want terminal charts, you need "JeppView" - a separate (and
> pricier) subscription, as well as something that is compatible to
> display them. (How about a nice Avidyne EX500?)
>
> BTW, when Jesse said the government charts available on many tablets
> aren't "to scale" he really meant they aren't "geo-referenced".
That's
> what allows ownships and flightplans to be overlaid on top.
>
> TDT
> 40025
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
> because
> none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken
me
> by
> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states
"It's
> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
> planning...."
> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations
of
> various equipment.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
> actually
> gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including
> flying
> the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have
> some
> sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC.
I
> need
> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
> charts,
> by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got
> the
> DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
good
> at
> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
> put
> desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got
eaten
> up
> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>
> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
> want to
> try....hardware mods and additions.
>
> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>
>> Hey all -
>>
>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
> enroute
> charts?
>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and
the
>
>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
> little
> I'd be using it for.
>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>
>> cj
>> #40410
>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | IFR related cockpit stuff |
Guess I would be considered one of the newest on the list due to the fact that
I placed my order at SNF. But am looking at an EFIS that I have seen no one mention.
The OP Technologies display. 1. it is larger than Chelton 2. Has an internal
GPS. 3. you can mount radios and Transponder remotely. 4. It displays
approach plates. Oh yeah is a lot cheaper than the chelton system. Will forward
first panel draft by Nick at Park Rapids Avionics.
John Cram
40569 ( waiting on the Emp)
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| Subject: | IFR related cockpit stuff |
Look at that! Builder 569!
It would be interesting to plot the time distribution of kit orders and
kit completions for the -10. I predict there is a wave of -10s that
will be flying between now and the end of this year.
Then one could cross-correlate the price of used IO-540s against that
chart, too!
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cram
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
Guess I would be considered one of the newest on the list due to the
fact that I placed my order at SNF. But am looking at an EFIS that I
have seen no one mention. The OP Technologies display. 1. it is larger
than Chelton 2. Has an internal GPS. 3. you can mount radios and
Transponder remotely. 4. It displays approach plates. Oh yeah is a lot
cheaper than the chelton system. Will forward first panel draft by Nick
at Park Rapids Avionics.
John Cram
40569 ( waiting on the Emp)
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| Subject: | Re: IFR related cockpit stuff |
In a message dated 4/12/2006 2:30:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CJohnston@popsound.com writes:
MX20 is a
thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be using it for.
Is Garmin selling the MX 20 screen to experimental's??? I thought they would
only market this to certified GA aircraft??? The MX 20 screen is an awsome
system.
Patrick Scott
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| Subject: | IFR related cockpit stuff |
John,
Is this some new OP Tech gear?
I did some price comparisons on OP and Chelton six months ago and found they
were about the same price when you compared capabilities and numbers of
screens etc.
John
40315
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cram
Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 7:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
Guess I would be considered one of the newest on the list due to the fact
that I placed my order at SNF. But am looking at an EFIS that I have seen no
one mention. The OP Technologies display. 1. it is larger than Chelton 2.
Has an internal GPS. 3. you can mount radios and Transponder remotely. 4.
It displays approach plates. Oh yeah is a lot cheaper than the chelton
system. Will forward first panel draft by Nick at Park Rapids Avionics.
John Cram
40569 ( waiting on the Emp)
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
The wiggle is only when it is windy. Other than that it is smooth.
Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G.
Wright
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer's VOR/ILS/GS functions
are removed, a yaw dampener is added. Alex's wife felt a lot of waggle
in the back seat since it's behind the spar, so he adjusted the software
for the price of the VOR/ILS/GS. In his -10 he can overlay any approach
he wants to using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of functionality,
and he gains the yaw dampener.
Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters'
experiences?
Rob #392
Waiting QB shipment
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of
last week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I
was aware of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final
approach course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS
approach...but I'm not really sure that is correct.
Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.
P
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'm not sure this was to me or not, but, if it was, I agree. That's
why I'm going the tablet chart route. I only illustrated that I
think I could fly the approach fine without the charts, but there
is necessary information on there to do it properly and safely.
I used to be a Jepp Chart subscriber. Now though, after paying
for Jepp databases, I'll be happy to use FAA charts, paper or
electronic.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Your local Flight Standards office might have something to say about
> flying IFR without either paper or electronic approach charts in hand .
> . .
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:54 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> That's correct. Considering the cost of Jepp updates though,
> I'm ok with doing some of this using a tablet where the cost
> can be cheap. The subscriptions and cost of doing it
> on the MX-20 is not at all a cheap solution....you should
> price it sometime.
>
> All the approach Jepp navdata is on the screen, and I know I
> could comfortably fly an entire approach without a chart in
> hand at all. The nice thing about the chart though is
> having the info like MDA and other things quickly available
> in a standardized format. I haven't found the MDA on
> an approach on screen yet, and don't know that it's there.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John Jessen wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
> because
>> none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken
> me by
>> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states
> "It's
>> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
> planning...."
>> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>>
>> John Jessen
>> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations
> of
>> various equipment.)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
> actually
>> gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including
> flying
>> the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have
> some
>> sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC.
> I need
>> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
> charts,
>> by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got
> the
>> DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
>> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
> good at
>> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
>> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
>> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
> put
>> desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
>> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
>> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
>> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
>> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got
> eaten up
>> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
>> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>>
>> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
>> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
> want to
>> try....hardware mods and additions.
>>
>> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Chris Johnston wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>>
>>> Hey all -
>>>
>>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
> enroute
>> charts?
>>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and
> the
>>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
> little
>> I'd be using it for.
>>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>
>>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>>
>>> cj
>>> #40410
>>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | IFR related cockpit stuff |
I think there's one in the Vans factory 10. no?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
In a message dated 4/12/2006 2:30:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CJohnston@popsound.com writes:
MX20 is a
thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be using it
for.
Is Garmin selling the MX 20 screen to experimental's??? I thought they
would only market this to certified GA aircraft??? The MX 20 screen is
an awsome system.
Patrick Scott
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| Subject: | Re: IFR related cockpit stuff |
They can be bought from Stark for $5476
----- Original Message -----
From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
In a message dated 4/12/2006 2:30:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, CJohnston@popsound.com
writes:
MX20 is a
thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be using it for.
Is Garmin selling the MX 20 screen to experimental's??? I thought they would
only market this to certified GA aircraft??? The MX 20 screen is an awsome system.
Patrick Scott
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I consider that very reasonable, and if it fits the panel's
design and integration well with what someone wants,
they'd have a great system. The only difference is you
don't have an EFIS mode on it to display attitude and
all that other stuff. With that, it would be nearly
perfect.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Okay, but you're not going to like it!
>
> EX500: $8,995
> Includes XM weather, Traffic interfaces, Stormscope interface,
> "Multilink" two-way Datalink.
> (or spend $16,985 and get a package with also a TAS600 (formerly TCAD)
> ACTIVE traffic sensor)
>
> Plus:
> JeppView chart function (we call it "CMax"): $2,495
>
> Jeppesen subscriptions for terminal charts range from $376 for "US West"
> to $965 for "48 states" . . .
>
> But it's certified and since most charts are geo-referenced, you can
> overlay ownship and flightplans! It supports "day" and "night" color
> palettes, too.
>
> One cool thing that is useful on a handful of charts is that Visual
> approaches are also geo-referenced. So we can overlay your ownship on
> the chart for the Roaring Fork Visual approach to Aspen. This give you
> great situational awareness, since you're no longer dependent on
> identifying one named mountain from another . . .
>
> TDT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Oooooh oooooh, I almost forgot to say that.... The EX500 is
> a beautiful piece of equipment. If charting is really what you
> want on one of those boxes, go for the EX500. Now, Tim, fill
> us in on the costs of the box plus JeppView and a subscription.
> I do think that would be sweet though.
>
> The tablet option, with a little scripting work, will cost me
> the price of a laptop/tablet to run the charts on, plus
> about $10. Annual cost....so far $0-10 if you're willing to
> do a tiny bit of legwork with an old scrap PC.
> Tim
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>> NavData is used by moving maps and GPS units and is a database of
>> navaids, airports, etc, and their lat/lons.
>>
>> If you want terminal charts, you need "JeppView" - a separate (and
>> pricier) subscription, as well as something that is compatible to
>> display them. (How about a nice Avidyne EX500?)
>>
>> BTW, when Jesse said the government charts available on many tablets
>> aren't "to scale" he really meant they aren't "geo-referenced".
> That's
>> what allows ownships and flightplans to be overlaid on top.
>>
>> TDT
>> 40025
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:29 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
>> because
>> none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken
> me
>> by
>> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states
> "It's
>> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
>> planning...."
>> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>>
>> John Jessen
>> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations
> of
>> various equipment.)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
>> actually
>> gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including
>> flying
>> the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have
>> some
>> sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC.
> I
>> need
>> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
>> charts,
>> by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got
>> the
>> DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
>> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
> good
>> at
>> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
>> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
>> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
>> put
>> desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
>> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
>> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
>> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
>> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got
> eaten
>> up
>> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
>> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>>
>> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
>> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
>> want to
>> try....hardware mods and additions.
>>
>> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Chris Johnston wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>>
>>> Hey all -
>>>
>>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
>> enroute
>> charts?
>>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and
> the
>>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
>> little
>> I'd be using it for.
>>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>
>>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>>
>>> cj
>>> #40410
>>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oh yeah, you can easily buy that. Try Stark.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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GRANSCOTT@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 4/12/2006 2:30:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> CJohnston@popsound.com writes:
>
> MX20 is a
> thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be using it for.
>
> Is Garmin selling the MX 20 screen to experimental's??? I thought they
> would only market this to certified GA aircraft??? The MX 20 screen is
> an awsome system.
>
> Patrick Scott
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| Subject: | IFR related cockpit stuff |
Yes. Randy DeBauw has one. Check it out on Tim's site.
http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/20050404/index.html
John Jessen
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
In a message dated 4/12/2006 2:30:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CJohnston@popsound.com writes:
MX20 is a
thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be using it for.
Is Garmin selling the MX 20 screen to experimental's??? I thought they
would only market this to certified GA aircraft??? The MX 20 screen is an
awsome system.
Patrick Scott
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
I figured that's what you meant, but I wanted to make sure any readers
got the gist correctly . . . : )
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'm not sure this was to me or not, but, if it was, I agree. That's
why I'm going the tablet chart route. I only illustrated that I
think I could fly the approach fine without the charts, but there
is necessary information on there to do it properly and safely.
I used to be a Jepp Chart subscriber. Now though, after paying
for Jepp databases, I'll be happy to use FAA charts, paper or
electronic.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Your local Flight Standards office might have something to say about
> flying IFR without either paper or electronic approach charts in hand
.
> . .
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:54 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> That's correct. Considering the cost of Jepp updates though,
> I'm ok with doing some of this using a tablet where the cost
> can be cheap. The subscriptions and cost of doing it
> on the MX-20 is not at all a cheap solution....you should
> price it sometime.
>
> All the approach Jepp navdata is on the screen, and I know I
> could comfortably fly an entire approach without a chart in
> hand at all. The nice thing about the chart though is
> having the info like MDA and other things quickly available
> in a standardized format. I haven't found the MDA on
> an approach on screen yet, and don't know that it's there.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John Jessen wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
> because
>> none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken
> me by
>> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states
> "It's
>> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
> planning...."
>> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>>
>> John Jessen
>> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations
> of
>> various equipment.)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
> actually
>> gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including
> flying
>> the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have
> some
>> sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC.
> I need
>> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
> charts,
>> by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I
got
> the
>> DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
>> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
> good at
>> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
>> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
>> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
> put
>> desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
>> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
>> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
>> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
>> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got
> eaten up
>> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
>> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>>
>> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
>> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
> want to
>> try....hardware mods and additions.
>>
>> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Chris Johnston wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>>
>>> Hey all -
>>>
>>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
> enroute
>> charts?
>>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and
> the
>>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
> little
>> I'd be using it for.
>>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the
panel.
>>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>
>>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>>
>>> cj
>>> #40410
>>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | Re: IFR related cockpit stuff |
Thanks guys...I know what I was thinking, they are not selling the G 1000
with the two MX 20 screens except to GA folks...or at least I was told that...
P
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
I can just see the grin. John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
The wiggle is only when it is windy. Other than that it is smooth. Randy
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer's VOR/ILS/GS functions are
removed, a yaw dampener is added. Alex's wife felt a lot of waggle in the
back seat since it's behind the spar, so he adjusted the software for the
price of the VOR/ILS/GS. In his -10 he can overlay any approach he wants to
using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of functionality, and he gains the
yaw dampener.
Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters'
experiences?
Rob #392
Waiting QB shipment
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of last
week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I was aware
of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final approach
course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS approach...but
I'm not really sure that is correct.
Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.
P
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| Subject: | IFR related cockpit stuff |
I like the OP stuff and have been keeping an eye on it for a while now, especially
with the major jump in Chelton prices. It's still a option for me but I probably
won't do the integrated version. They also don't seem to be real good
about getting any info out to the market about their going on's but then again
neither is the D2AV guys.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cram
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
Guess I would be considered one of the newest on the list due to the fact that
I placed my order at SNF. But am looking at an EFIS that I have seen no one mention.
The OP Technologies display. 1. it is larger than Chelton 2. Has an internal
GPS. 3. you can mount radios and Transponder remotely. 4. It displays
approach plates. Oh yeah is a lot cheaper than the chelton system. Will forward
first panel draft by Nick at Park Rapids Avionics.
John Cram
40569 ( waiting on the Emp)
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| Subject: | IFR related cockpit stuff |
So Tim, what's your panel going to look like? You've been awfully quiet about
the details of your own config. ;-)
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
--> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Okay, but you're not going to like it!
EX500: $8,995
Includes XM weather, Traffic interfaces, Stormscope interface, "Multilink" two-way
Datalink.
(or spend $16,985 and get a package with also a TAS600 (formerly TCAD) ACTIVE traffic
sensor)
Plus:
JeppView chart function (we call it "CMax"): $2,495
Jeppesen subscriptions for terminal charts range from $376 for "US West"
to $965 for "48 states" . . .
But it's certified and since most charts are geo-referenced, you can overlay ownship
and flightplans! It supports "day" and "night" color palettes, too.
One cool thing that is useful on a handful of charts is that Visual approaches
are also geo-referenced. So we can overlay your ownship on the chart for the
Roaring Fork Visual approach to Aspen. This give you great situational awareness,
since you're no longer dependent on identifying one named mountain from another
. . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oooooh oooooh, I almost forgot to say that.... The EX500 is
a beautiful piece of equipment. If charting is really what you want on one of
those boxes, go for the EX500. Now, Tim, fill us in on the costs of the box plus
JeppView and a subscription.
I do think that would be sweet though.
The tablet option, with a little scripting work, will cost me the price of a laptop/tablet
to run the charts on, plus about $10. Annual cost....so far $0-10
if you're willing to do a tiny bit of legwork with an old scrap PC.
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
> NavData is used by moving maps and GPS units and is a database of
> navaids, airports, etc, and their lat/lons.
>
> If you want terminal charts, you need "JeppView" - a separate (and
> pricier) subscription, as well as something that is compatible to
> display them. (How about a nice Avidyne EX500?)
>
> BTW, when Jesse said the government charts available on many tablets
> aren't "to scale" he really meant they aren't "geo-referenced".
That's
> what allows ownships and flightplans to be overlaid on top.
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
> because none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This
> has taken
me
> by
> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states
"It's
> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
> planning...."
> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations
of
> various equipment.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
> actually gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach,
> including flying the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll
> still want to have some sort of chart. What I've done so far is to
> start using a tablet PC.
I
> need
> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
> charts, by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the
> approaches. I got the DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually
> from the FAA site.
> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
good
> at
> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
> put desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got
eaten
> up
> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>
> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
> want to try....hardware mods and additions.
>
> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>
>> Hey all -
>>
>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
> enroute
> charts?
>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and
the
>
>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
> little
> I'd be using it for.
>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>
>> cj
>> #40410
>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>>
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>From what I've been able to find in my research. Yes the Dual Screen OP
(Dual 10.4") and the Dual Screen Chelton (Dual 7"?) do come out about the
same price. What is steering me to recommend the OP is the added features.
The OP has a built in Eng Monitor, the screens are roughly twice the size,
and the system integration is just awesome. It will remote tune any of the
old Apollo radios (and hopefully soon the Garmin GTX327 / 330 TXP's) and the
initial system usage is (in my opinion) much easier. It reminds me of the
G1000 in a lot of ways. Don't misunderstand, I like the Chelton; I've had
the honor of driving my Employer's Baron around with Dual Certified Cheltons
for the last 80 hours or so. It's a great unit and would not complain about
flying one, it just looks to me that the OP boys are getting the edge on em.
Hopefully this explains some things without sounding like a rambling idiot!
Nick
Approach FastStack / Park Rapids Avionics
** The views expressed are mine and mine alone and do not in anyway express
the view and or opinion of my employer **
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
John,
Is this some new OP Tech gear?
I did some price comparisons on OP and Chelton six months ago and found they
were about the same price when you compared capabilities and numbers of
screens etc.
John
40315
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cram
Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 7:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
Guess I would be considered one of the newest on the list due to the fact
that I placed my order at SNF. But am looking at an EFIS that I have seen no
one mention. The OP Technologies display. 1. it is larger than Chelton 2.
Has an internal GPS. 3. you can mount radios and Transponder remotely. 4.
It displays approach plates. Oh yeah is a lot cheaper than the chelton
system. Will forward first panel draft by Nick at Park Rapids Avionics.
John Cram
40569 ( waiting on the Emp)
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Jesse, I used some weather strip that has adhesive back. It is white and about
=BC" in diameter. I did get some water in through the door at Oshkosh last year
and the carpet was wet about an 1" inside the door. If you remember it REALLY
POURED. Hope all is well. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
I haven't spent much time in the back seat except one time that I climbed from
the front to the back to test the different in C/G, but there was no turbulence
then. I haven't heard any complaints at all from back seat passengers, at least
not about waggle.
By the way, Tim and Randy, can you post a picture of how you sealed your baggage
door? We are getting water back there that I assume comes from the door.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of May.
You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check from down
here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at 352-465-4545.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer's VOR/ILS/GS functions are removed,
a yaw dampener is added. Alex's wife felt a lot of waggle in the back seat
since it's behind the spar, so he adjusted the software for the price of the
VOR/ILS/GS. In his -10 he can overlay any approach he wants to using the GNS480,
so he sees no real loss of functionality, and he gains the yaw dampener.
Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters' experiences?
Rob #392
Waiting QB shipment
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of last week,
and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I was aware of, so
the fellow said that it would not intercept the final approach course...I was
assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS approach...but I'm not really sure
that is correct.
Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.
P
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
Randy is the top of your baggage door hinge further outboard than the
bottom?
I noticed Tim mentioned this and I=92ve got the same result although I
couldn=92t see how you would insert the hinge pin unless one end wasn=92t
sitting flush?
John 40315 Fuel system
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Jesse, I used some weather strip that has adhesive back. It is white and
about =BC=94 in diameter. I did get some water in through the door at Oshkosh
last year and the carpet was wet about an 1=94 inside the door. If you
remember it REALLY POURED. Hope all is well. Randy
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
I haven=92t spent much time in the back seat except one time that I climbed
from the front to the back to test the different in C/G, but there was no
turbulence then. I haven=92t heard any complaints at all from back seat
passengers, at least not about waggle.
By the way, Tim and Randy, can you post a picture of how you sealed your
baggage door? We are getting water back there that I assume comes from the
door.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer=92s VOR/ILS/GS functions are
removed, a yaw dampener is added. Alex=92s wife felt a lot of waggle in the
back seat since it=92s behind the spar, so he adjusted the software for the
price of the VOR/ILS/GS. In his -10 he can overlay any approach he wants to
using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of functionality, and he gains the
yaw dampener.
Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters=92
experiences?
Rob #392
Waiting QB shipment
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of last
week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I was aware
of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final approach
course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS approach...but
I'm not really sure that is correct.
Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.
P
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| Subject: | 540 Crank drawing or dimensions |
Unfortunately for me, they all have to be "destroyed" when replaced.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Bewley
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 540 Crank drawing or dimensions
OK. Even I have a sense of humor, and that cracked me up, especially as I
sit here writing my FAA Training Program Manual. Ugh!!!!
Rhonda
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 540 Crank drawing or dimensions
Ha ha! The supply of junk Lycoming cranks should be fairly plentiful! : )
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 540 Crank drawing or dimensions
Does anybody have a drawing or at least detailed dimensions of the 540
parallel valve crank shaft? We have found a case to use for fitting out
cowl, but haven't found a crank yet. If we could have a piece machined that
would fit from the case to where we will need to measure for the cowling,
that would work for us. Or, does anybody have a bad crank that they would
be willing to loan, donate or sell cheaply to the cause?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Jepp's a lot better, and costs a lot more. It's all a trade-off.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
http://www.flightprep.com/rootpage.php?page=chartcaseinfo
I did see these guys at S-N-F and liked it. Maybe a tablet pc kneeboard
with Bluetooth GPS running this. The only thing is that I like the jepp
stuff better. Harrumph.
cj
#40410
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Okay, but you're not going to like it!
EX500: $8,995
Includes XM weather, Traffic interfaces, Stormscope interface,
"Multilink" two-way Datalink.
(or spend $16,985 and get a package with also a TAS600 (formerly TCAD)
ACTIVE traffic sensor)
Plus:
JeppView chart function (we call it "CMax"): $2,495
Jeppesen subscriptions for terminal charts range from $376 for "US West"
to $965 for "48 states" . . .
But it's certified and since most charts are geo-referenced, you can
overlay ownship and flightplans! It supports "day" and "night" color
palettes, too.
One cool thing that is useful on a handful of charts is that Visual
approaches are also geo-referenced. So we can overlay your ownship on
the chart for the Roaring Fork Visual approach to Aspen. This give you
great situational awareness, since you're no longer dependent on
identifying one named mountain from another . . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oooooh oooooh, I almost forgot to say that.... The EX500 is
a beautiful piece of equipment. If charting is really what you
want on one of those boxes, go for the EX500. Now, Tim, fill
us in on the costs of the box plus JeppView and a subscription.
I do think that would be sweet though.
The tablet option, with a little scripting work, will cost me
the price of a laptop/tablet to run the charts on, plus
about $10. Annual cost....so far $0-10 if you're willing to
do a tiny bit of legwork with an old scrap PC.
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
> NavData is used by moving maps and GPS units and is a database of
> navaids, airports, etc, and their lat/lons.
>
> If you want terminal charts, you need "JeppView" - a separate (and
> pricier) subscription, as well as something that is compatible to
> display them. (How about a nice Avidyne EX500?)
>
> BTW, when Jesse said the government charts available on many tablets
> aren't "to scale" he really meant they aren't "geo-referenced".
That's
> what allows ownships and flightplans to be overlaid on top.
>
> TDT
> 40025
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
> because
> none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken
me
> by
> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states
"It's
> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
> planning...."
> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations
of
> various equipment.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
> actually
> gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including
> flying
> the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have
> some
> sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC.
I
> need
> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
> charts,
> by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got
> the
> DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
good
> at
> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
> put
> desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got
eaten
> up
> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>
> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
> want to
> try....hardware mods and additions.
>
> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>
>> Hey all -
>>
>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
> enroute
> charts?
>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and
the
>
>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
> little
> I'd be using it for.
>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>
>> cj
>> #40410
>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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Thanks. All is well. Hope to see you again at OSH this year. You planning
on being there? While we are on this, what new -10=92s are hoping to be at
Osh this year that weren=92t last year? I hope to have N415EC there, that=92s
kit 40415 built in Ecuador. I am sure we will be seeing N104CD there.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Jesse, I used some weather strip that has adhesive back. It is white and
about =BC=94 in diameter. I did get some water in through the door at Oshkosh
last year and the carpet was wet about an 1=94 inside the door. If you
remember it REALLY POURED. Hope all is well. Randy
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
I haven=92t spent much time in the back seat except one time that I climbed
from the front to the back to test the different in C/G, but there was no
turbulence then. I haven=92t heard any complaints at all from back seat
passengers, at least not about waggle.
By the way, Tim and Randy, can you post a picture of how you sealed your
baggage door? We are getting water back there that I assume comes from the
door.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer=92s VOR/ILS/GS functions are
removed, a yaw dampener is added. Alex=92s wife felt a lot of waggle in the
back seat since it=92s behind the spar, so he adjusted the software for the
price of the VOR/ILS/GS. In his -10 he can overlay any approach he wants to
using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of functionality, and he gains the
yaw dampener.
Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters=92
experiences?
Rob #392
Waiting QB shipment
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of last
week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I was aware
of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final approach
course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS approach...but
I'm not really sure that is correct.
Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.
P
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I hate list monitor types, but it might help in later searches if guys
change the subject line when you switching topics? Thanks.
Sorry.
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Randy is the top of your baggage door hinge further outboard than the
bottom?
I noticed Tim mentioned this and I=92ve got the same result although I
couldn=92t see how you would insert the hinge pin unless one end wasn=92t
sitting flush?
John 40315 Fuel system
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Jesse, I used some weather strip that has adhesive back. It is white and
about =BC=94 in diameter. I did get some water in through the door at Oshkosh
last year and the carpet was wet about an 1=94 inside the door. If you
remember it REALLY POURED. Hope all is well. Randy
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
I haven=92t spent much time in the back seat except one time that I climbed
from the front to the back to test the different in C/G, but there was no
turbulence then. I haven=92t heard any complaints at all from back seat
passengers, at least not about waggle.
By the way, Tim and Randy, can you post a picture of how you sealed your
baggage door? We are getting water back there that I assume comes from the
door.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@itecusa.org> jesse@itecusa.org
<http://www.itecusa.org> www.itecusa.org
I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of
May. You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check
from down here. Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at
352-465-4545.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer=92s VOR/ILS/GS functions are
removed, a yaw dampener is added. Alex=92s wife felt a lot of waggle in the
back seat since it=92s behind the spar, so he adjusted the software for the
price of the VOR/ILS/GS. In his -10 he can overlay any approach he wants to
using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of functionality, and he gains the
yaw dampener.
Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters=92
experiences?
Rob #392
Waiting QB shipment
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of last
week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I was aware
of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final approach
course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS approach...but
I'm not really sure that is correct.
Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.
P
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| Subject: | Re: IFR related cockpit stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
> From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
> Date: 2006/04/12 Wed PM 02:27:13 EDT
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution? Be gentle
with me. I'm new to this stuff.
My current solution is not elegant, but seems reasonably functional. I have an
approach certified GPS (GX-60) and a Jepp online subscription for updates that
includes nav data for approaches (but not electronic chart views); this is about
$300/yr. Before an IFR flight I print just the destination plates and a
couple of plausible alternate airport's approaches if it really looks like hardball
IFR, from either Airnav.com or AOPA's sites.
Now, this leaves me out in the cold if I have an emergency and have to make an
IFR approach to some airport along the way, but at that point, since the approach
fix names are in the GPS, I figure I would just ask ATC for the crossing altitudes
and MDA/DH for the approach, and the missed approach procedure. Since
I'm gonna be talking to them about the emergency anyway, and they're going to
be watching me closer in this circumstance, it should plausibly work out. Have
had two engine failures in the past 35 years of flying, (one IFR) and both
times ATC was very accommodating about working with me to find a realtime way
to minimize the risks and get down safely.
Just my $0.02 until the economical perfect panel arrives...
-Dan Masys
#40448
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| Subject: | Sun-N-Fun my comments |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
So far there have been no problems with Lancairs running NACA ducts on
the vertical with rear fed overhead plenums. The other location is to
cut into the aluminum on the high pressure side of the vertical.
Remember that N410RV and N220RV have differing forces due to lower
engine output.
Ed got a lot of help from VANS on the correct location. It's a great
product offering. He is going with both left and right dual NACA fed
sources.
John Cox - KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez"
<indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Yes, it does seem like a bummer to have that air inlet there and it
looks
much too large for air moving at say 180mph or more. (Drag bucket) I
also
wonder whether the propeller swirl (P-factor)will cause some of the
exhaust
gasses to find there way up into that air scoop.
I also wonder about moisture.
The overhead does look great however.
John G. #409
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>From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:44:36 -0700
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
<CJohnston@popsound.com>
>
>Hey all -
>
>Is there a way to get air into the overhead panel without putting an
>inlet on the intersection fairing? Does that inlet on the fairing seem
>like a bummer to anyone else? I really like the look of the overhead
>panel though. What is the difference between the 3 flavors? Anyone?
>
>cj
>#40410
>wings
>www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
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| Subject: | Twenty Nine Palms |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Stay well away from the leeward back burbles, the turbulence can be
teeth rattling. Be mindful of correct ridgeline crossing heading and
altitudes. I had a friend who was knocked out cold from a smack from
both an errant mike and baggage as we ventured through the pass. Early
AM is best.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Twenty Nine Palms
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Nothing special about the airport itself, I took my multiegine training
nearby @ salton sea (below sea level) and we used it for some IFR
approaches. Depending upon your route takes you pass through the Banning
Pass, just north of Palm Springs, you can expect some bumps,
particularly if late in the day or if there is any wind (very common).
if you come down through the Calif inland valleys and come on the
backside of mtns you will avoid that and most of the Trafic associated
with the LAX and Ontario/Riverside approaches.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Randy DeBauw wrote:
> I am heading to Twenty Nine Palms Ca. this Friday. Is there anyone who
> has used that airport? Any thing I should know about it. Thanks,
Randy
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Tim didn't post but as a backseat ballast on his (turbulence) transition
training you should all address protective covering of the shoulder
harness strap mount in the overhead.
Nuf Said.
John - $00.02
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
So far I haven't had any complaints from passengers. I myself did
comment when I did the demo flight that the -10 seemed to have a bit
of a tail waggle oscillation in turbulence....and I wondered if a
yaw dampener might not be a bad idea someday.
That said, from the flight down and back, I rode turbulence all the
way down and didn't experience anything that would cause me to
think a dampener was needed. On the way home, in the last few
miles, we got tossed around quite a bit and at that time I could
see a use for it...but considering the turbulence I was ok with
how it performed without. It may be a long term goal.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Let me add a new fraction in the sphere of EFIS and glass cockpits.
1/4 cost = airframe kit
1/4 cost = engine with FWF
1/2 = prop, paint, panel, avionics, accessories and interior finish.
VANS estimates of 90K, Randy's costs and Tim's costs might just shed a
more useable light on the RV-10 when estimating. The rest of you flying
might through your fractions out for discussion.
John - $00.02
Do not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: planning
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
As you might expect there's a wide variation based upon options that you
have available to you and the decisions you make relative to those
options.
Some rules of thumb:
1/3 cost = kit
1/3 cost = engine & prop
1/3 cost = panel
The cost of the kit itself is pretty well established, however Van does
increaase his prices at the beginning of every year. There are options
available for the airframe, (lighting, fuel valve, cowls,plenum,
interior panels/ducts/lights that all add cost.
Engine, a WIDE variation from used Lycomings (teens $K) to new Lycomings
($40k+) and then Alternative (mostly auto conversions) and then there
are options that will add to this (electronic ingition, balancing, cold
air induction,oil coolers, & more)
Props - again options used to new 2 blade vs 3 blade, metal vs
composite, cost range (4-5kused - $15k)
Panel - How much money have you got? basic VFR could be done relatively
inexpensively, particularly if you scrounge for used instruments, new
glass IFR upwards of$40-50k +
Tools - you'll buy more along the way.
Plug in your decisions and you'll get an ESTIMATE.
Then add 10-15% for stuff you didn't think about.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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>You Chelton EFIS guys should have an Artex ELT and an
>S-Tec autopilot, since they all belong to the Chelton family!
Tim,
This is the second time you have made this statement, so I'm compelled to inquire.
All my research indicates that the Chelton Group (Artex, Chelton Avionics,
Comant, NAT, etc) and Meggitt (UK) Ltd. (Meggitt Avionics, S-Tec, etc) are NOT
the same company. Also, D2A is NOT part of the Chelton group, they only have
a dealer relationship with Chelton Flight Systems. Can you point me to the
relationship between Meggitt (S-Tec) and Chelton?
http://www.chelton.com/common/group_chart.asp
Chelton has the EFIS SV line of EFIS, and Meggit has the MAGIC line (http://www.magic.aero/) of EFIS.
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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Guys, we have been using Plexus on glider canopies here in South
Australia for years and they look as good as new and crystal clear all
the time.
Regards
Patrick
South Australia
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From: Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) [mailto:BSchroeder@uta.cog.ut.us]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 11:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rain Repellant
Motorcycle stores and aircraft suppliers have spray plexi cleaners and
polish that are readily available for your windscreens. Also, mcguires
makes similar products available at auto body supply store and auto
parts stores.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rain Repellant
Just beware that Pledge has a high amount of alcohol in it plus a good
slug of water...it could cause your plexiglass to soften or haze...I
know the Pledge trick has been used by a lot of owners but it may not be
the best way to clean or keep the windscreen clean...sort of an old
wives tale cure...you might contact SC Johnson--they have a phone number
on each can--and ask them for their advise on using using Pledge on
Plexiglass/planes to see if they've tested it long term.
Patrick
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Acutally, that's probably more correct, except in some cases
the 2nd line should read 1/4 cost = engine (No FWF).
1/4 Airframe
1/4 Engine
1/8 Prop, Paint, Accessories, Interior, FWF
3/8 Avionics, Panel wiring and assembly
Or something to that effect.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John W. Cox wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Let me add a new fraction in the sphere of EFIS and glass cockpits.
> 1/4 cost = airframe kit
> 1/4 cost = engine with FWF
> 1/2 = prop, paint, panel, avionics, accessories and interior finish.
>
> VANS estimates of 90K, Randy's costs and Tim's costs might just shed a
> more useable light on the RV-10 when estimating. The rest of you flying
> might through your fractions out for discussion.
>
> John - $00.02
> Do not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 7:07 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: planning
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> As you might expect there's a wide variation based upon options that you
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> have available to you and the decisions you make relative to those
> options.
> Some rules of thumb:
> 1/3 cost = kit
> 1/3 cost = engine & prop
> 1/3 cost = panel
>
> The cost of the kit itself is pretty well established, however Van does
> increaase his prices at the beginning of every year. There are options
> available for the airframe, (lighting, fuel valve, cowls,plenum,
> interior panels/ducts/lights that all add cost.
> Engine, a WIDE variation from used Lycomings (teens $K) to new Lycomings
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> ($40k+) and then Alternative (mostly auto conversions) and then there
> are options that will add to this (electronic ingition, balancing, cold
> air induction,oil coolers, & more)
> Props - again options used to new 2 blade vs 3 blade, metal vs
> composite, cost range (4-5kused - $15k)
> Panel - How much money have you got? basic VFR could be done relatively
> inexpensively, particularly if you scrounge for used instruments, new
> glass IFR upwards of$40-50k +
> Tools - you'll buy more along the way.
>
> Plug in your decisions and you'll get an ESTIMATE.
>
> Then add 10-15% for stuff you didn't think about.
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com/
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
another approach. I print the origin/destination/planned alternates from
Airnav or AOPA; update the DBs in the GPS twice a year and carry a DVD with
the low altitude enroutes and approach plates for backup. A notebook
computer allows retrieval of other info off the flight plan route.
- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Masys" <dmasys@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
>> From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>> Date: 2006/04/12 Wed PM 02:27:13 EDT
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>>
>> Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution? Be
>> gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>
> My current solution is not elegant, but seems reasonably functional. I
> have an approach certified GPS (GX-60) and a Jepp online subscription for
> updates that includes nav data for approaches (but not electronic chart
> views); this is about $300/yr. Before an IFR flight I print just the
> destination plates and a couple of plausible alternate airport's
> approaches if it really looks like hardball IFR, from either Airnav.com or
> AOPA's sites.
>
> Now, this leaves me out in the cold if I have an emergency and have to
> make an IFR approach to some airport along the way, but at that point,
> since the approach fix names are in the GPS, I figure I would just ask ATC
> for the crossing altitudes and MDA/DH for the approach, and the missed
> approach procedure. Since I'm gonna be talking to them about the
> emergency anyway, and they're going to be watching me closer in this
> circumstance, it should plausibly work out. Have had two engine failures
> in the past 35 years of flying, (one IFR) and both times ATC was very
> accommodating about working with me to find a realtime way to minimize the
> risks and get down safely.
>
> Just my $0.02 until the economical perfect panel arrives...
>
> -Dan Masys
> #40448
>
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| Subject: | Back Seat Strap Protection was Sun-N-Fun my comments |
--> RV10-List message posted by: LarryRosen@comcast.net
John,
Any suggestions on how to protect the nut that stick out into the passanger area?
Larry
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Tim didn't post but as a backseat ballast on his (turbulence) transition
> training you should all address protective covering of the shoulder
> harness strap mount in the overhead.
>
> Nuf Said.
>
> John - $00.02
> Do not Archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:36 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> So far I haven't had any complaints from passengers. I myself did
> comment when I did the demo flight that the -10 seemed to have a bit
> of a tail waggle oscillation in turbulence....and I wondered if a
> yaw dampener might not be a bad idea someday.
>
> That said, from the flight down and back, I rode turbulence all the
> way down and didn't experience anything that would cause me to
> think a dampener was needed. On the way home, in the last few
> miles, we got tossed around quite a bit and at that time I could
> see a use for it...but considering the turbulence I was ok with
> how it performed without. It may be a long term goal.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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| Subject: | IFR related cockpit stuff |
Have you noticed that Garmin has released the GMX-200, larger screen size
than MX-20, with all the amenities (XM/Wx/etc)
Rob #392
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
In a message dated 4/12/2006 2:30:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CJohnston@popsound.com writes:
MX20 is a
thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be using it for.
Is Garmin selling the MX 20 screen to experimental's??? I thought they
would only market this to certified GA aircraft??? The MX 20 screen is an
awsome system.
Patrick Scott
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In a message dated 4/12/2006 10:08:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dlm46007@cox.net writes:
A notebook
computer allows retrieval of other info off the flight plan route.
Most computer hard drive heads ride on an air cushion just off the surface
of the disk platter. Above 10,000', expect the hard drive to crash (less air),
and be permanently damaged. This ONLY matters if your laptop is running.
There are chip based devices (no moving drive parts) that will work fine
at altitude. I found a hand held device that included a GPS and approach
plates for $1499 at Sun n Fun.... I just cant remember the name!!! Very nice
diaplay and it put your plane on the approach plate. No need to spend millions
if you have an IFR system already on board, like a Garmin 430, etc... The hand
held can give you all the plates for the country, and "situational
awareness" verified by the certified device, then ride the glide slope down once
established.
Steve
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Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder #40499 / Cessna 170B flyer
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell - evenings and weekends
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all the plates and charts are on a 1GB SDD memory. So we don't have a hard drive
running or a DVD running.
----- Original Message -----
From: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:28 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: IFR related cockpit stuff
In a message dated 4/12/2006 10:08:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlm46007@cox.net
writes:
A notebook
computer allows retrieval of other info off the flight plan route.
Most computer hard drive heads ride on an air cushion just off the surface
of the disk platter. Above 10,000', expect the hard drive to crash (less air),
and be permanently damaged. This ONLY matters if your laptop is running.
There are chip based devices (no moving drive parts) that will work fine at
altitude. I found a hand held device that included a GPS and approach plates
for $1499 at Sun n Fun.... I just cant remember the name!!! Very nice diaplay
and it put your plane on the approach plate. No need to spend millions if you
have an IFR system already on board, like a Garmin 430, etc... The hand held
can give you all the plates for the country, and "situational awareness" verified
by the certified device, then ride the glide slope down once established.
Steve
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder #40499 / Cessna 170B flyer
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell - evenings and weekends
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| Subject: | IFR related cockpit stuff |
Heh heh.
Avidyne Entegra PFD
Avidyne Entegra MFD
Avidyne TAS600 traffic
Avidyne MHD
GRT EIS 6000
SL30
GX60
GTX330
TruTrak Pictorial Pilot
That should be about enough toys . . . : )
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wed 4/12/2006 6:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
So Tim, what's your panel going to look like? You've been awfully quiet about
the details of your own config. ;-)
Michael
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
--> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Okay, but you're not going to like it!
EX500: $8,995
Includes XM weather, Traffic interfaces, Stormscope interface, "Multilink" two-way
Datalink.
(or spend $16,985 and get a package with also a TAS600 (formerly TCAD) ACTIVE traffic
sensor)
Plus:
JeppView chart function (we call it "CMax"): $2,495
Jeppesen subscriptions for terminal charts range from $376 for "US West"
to $965 for "48 states" . . .
But it's certified and since most charts are geo-referenced, you can overlay ownship
and flightplans! It supports "day" and "night" color palettes, too.
One cool thing that is useful on a handful of charts is that Visual approaches
are also geo-referenced. So we can overlay your ownship on the chart for the
Roaring Fork Visual approach to Aspen. This give you great situational awareness,
since you're no longer dependent on identifying one named mountain from another
. . .
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Oooooh oooooh, I almost forgot to say that.... The EX500 is
a beautiful piece of equipment. If charting is really what you want on one of
those boxes, go for the EX500. Now, Tim, fill us in on the costs of the box plus
JeppView and a subscription.
I do think that would be sweet though.
The tablet option, with a little scripting work, will cost me the price of a laptop/tablet
to run the charts on, plus about $10. Annual cost....so far $0-10
if you're willing to do a tiny bit of legwork with an old scrap PC.
Tim
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
> NavData is used by moving maps and GPS units and is a database of
> navaids, airports, etc, and their lat/lons.
>
> If you want terminal charts, you need "JeppView" - a separate (and
> pricier) subscription, as well as something that is compatible to
> display them. (How about a nice Avidyne EX500?)
>
> BTW, when Jesse said the government charts available on many tablets
> aren't "to scale" he really meant they aren't "geo-referenced".
That's
> what allows ownships and flightplans to be overlaid on top.
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
> because none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This
> has taken
me
> by
> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states
"It's
> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
> planning...."
> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>
> John Jessen
> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations
of
> various equipment.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
> actually gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach,
> including flying the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll
> still want to have some sort of chart. What I've done so far is to
> start using a tablet PC.
I
> need
> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
> charts, by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the
> approaches. I got the DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually
> from the FAA site.
> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
good
> at
> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
> put desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got
eaten
> up
> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>
> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
> want to try....hardware mods and additions.
>
> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Chris Johnston wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>
>> Hey all -
>>
>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
> enroute
> charts?
>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and
the
>
>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
> little
> I'd be using it for.
>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>
>> cj
>> #40410
>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>>
>
>
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I may have been overcome by the fumes off the new office carpet when I wrote that
. . .
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of William
Sent: Wed 4/12/2006 9:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: ELT Antenna
>You Chelton EFIS guys should have an Artex ELT and an
>S-Tec autopilot, since they all belong to the Chelton family!
Tim,
This is the second time you have made this statement, so I'm compelled to inquire.
All my research indicates that the Chelton Group (Artex, Chelton Avionics,
Comant, NAT, etc) and Meggitt (UK) Ltd. (Meggitt Avionics, S-Tec, etc) are NOT
the same company. Also, D2A is NOT part of the Chelton group, they only have
a dealer relationship with Chelton Flight Systems. Can you point me to the
relationship between Meggitt (S-Tec) and Chelton?
http://www.chelton.com/common/group_chart.asp
Chelton has the EFIS SV line of EFIS, and Meggit has the MAGIC line (http://www.magic.aero/) of EFIS.
William Curtis
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: IFR related cockpit stuff |
check this
http://store.myairplane.com/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?&rrc=3DN&affl=3D&act=3D&aff=3D&pg=3Dprod&ref=3DDTPP&cat=3DCDTPP&catstr=3DHOME:CDTPP
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: IFR related cockpit stuff
all the plates and charts are on a 1GB SDD memory. So we don't have a hard drive
running or a DVD running.
----- Original Message -----
From: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:28 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: IFR related cockpit stuff
In a message dated 4/12/2006 10:08:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlm46007@cox.net
writes:
A notebook
computer allows retrieval of other info off the flight plan route.
Most computer hard drive heads ride on an air cushion just off the surface
of the disk platter. Above 10,000', expect the hard drive to crash (less air),
and be permanently damaged. This ONLY matters if your laptop is running.
There are chip based devices (no moving drive parts) that will work fine
at altitude. I found a hand held device that included a GPS and approach plates
for $1499 at Sun n Fun.... I just cant remember the name!!! Very nice diaplay
and it put your plane on the approach plate. No need to spend millions if
you have an IFR system already on board, like a Garmin 430, etc... The hand held
can give you all the plates for the country, and "situational awareness" verified
by the certified device, then ride the glide slope down once established.
Steve
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder #40499 / Cessna 170B flyer
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell - evenings and weekends
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| Subject: | Re: IFR related cockpit stuff |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
If you choose to memorize the chart, there is nothing illegal about
flying an approach without the chart. I used to do it all the time at
airport where I was an approach controller and job required memorizing
every airway and approach within our airspace. 91.103 is the only reg
that applies. It references reviewing all available information BEFORE
flight, not during. There are a couple articles in the member section of
AOPA on this topic, including one by Barry Schiff that say the same
thing while strongly encouraging you to carry current charts.
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> Your local Flight Standards office might have something to say about
> flying IFR without either paper or electronic approach charts in hand .
> . .
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:54 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> That's correct. Considering the cost of Jepp updates though,
> I'm ok with doing some of this using a tablet where the cost
> can be cheap. The subscriptions and cost of doing it
> on the MX-20 is not at all a cheap solution....you should
> price it sometime.
>
> All the approach Jepp navdata is on the screen, and I know I
> could comfortably fly an entire approach without a chart in
> hand at all. The nice thing about the chart though is
> having the info like MDA and other things quickly available
> in a standardized format. I haven't found the MDA on
> an approach on screen yet, and don't know that it's there.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John Jessen wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>>
>> I'm confused. You have 3 screens, an you need, essentially, a 4th,
> because
>> none of the Cheltons can show Jepp or FAA IFR charts? This has taken
> me by
>> surprise. For some reason, when I read their brochure that states
> "It's
>> loaded with Jeppesen NavData that allows for onscreen flight
> planning...."
>> I assumed charts. Yeow.
>>
>> John Jessen
>> ~328 (amazed...and am doing some recalculations and recombinations
> of
>> various equipment.)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:53 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR related cockpit stuff
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> You're right that it will draw the approach on the screen, and it
> actually
>> gives a fair amount of the required info for the approach, including
> flying
>> the missed approach. But, as you noticed, you'll still want to have
> some
>> sort of chart. What I've done so far is to start using a tablet PC.
> I need
>> to get out now and fly with it and see how it goes. The sportys DVD
> charts,
>> by the way, are very nice. $10 gets you all of the approaches. I got
> the
>> DVD, and I'll keep the files updated manually from the FAA site.
>> The thing is, with the stinkin' pen I haven't been able to be very
> good at
>> entering the stuff into the tablet....mine is an old
>> Compaq TC1000. So, I think what I'm going to end up with is
>> maybe a nicer tablet, or I'll pre-plan most of my approaches and just
> put
>> desktop icons linking me to that particular airport
>> before each trip. For local flying, I'll probably just grab
>> a few paper charts printer from the FAA site and use those.
>> For X/C, you never know what you'll need. It was my intention
>> to shop for good tablet charting solutions at SNF, but my time got
> eaten up
>> and I ended up not being able to get much info.
>> For the time being though, what I have now would work in a pinch.
>>
>> FYI: There is one guy who figured out how to display charts on his
>> Chelton...but I think it's complicated beyond what most people would
> want to
>> try....hardware mods and additions.
>>
>> PS: Congrats on the rating....use it often and wisely.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Chris Johnston wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston"
>>> --> <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>>>
>>> Hey all -
>>>
>>> For those going/have gone the chelton route - what are anyone's
>>> thoughts about displaying/viewing things like approach plates or
> enroute
>> charts?
>>> I put my deposit down on the chelton stuff the day I got back from
>>> S-N-F, and I got to thinking about it. I'm a brand new instrument
>>> rated pilot (took my checkride the day I left for S-N-F), and I'm
>>> tired of lugging around the super-heavy flight bag. I know the
>>> chelton will tell you all you need to know about the approach, and
> the
>>> Trutrak autopilot will fly it for you, but I like the idea of being
>>> able to see the plate on the screen, possibly with a little airplane
>>> super-imposed on it. So do you go "electronic flightbag" with a
>>> tablet computer? MX20 is a thought but is a little pricey for what
> little
>> I'd be using it for.
>>> Plus, I'll be using the freeflight IFR GPS, and 2 SL30s in the panel.
>>> No garmin GPS. Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought
>>> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?
>
>>> Be gentle with me. I'm new to this stuff.
>>>
>>> cj
>>> #40410
>>> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>>>
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| Subject: | Back Seat Strap Protection was Sun-N-Fun my comments |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Don't let Tim use your head for the padding. Actually though, I didn't
hit it but in the spirit of safety and prevention a simple snap-on
rubber cap with an I.D. the same as the bolt O.D. would be a start.
Secondly would be acoustical material the thickness of the fastener
build up depth and covered with finish material.
As Randy takes on the San Jacinto mountains - Friday, I reflect back on
what reality was when FSS reported only "Moderate". I still remember
the locked controls, maneuvering speed entry, sounds of the cables in
the Spamcan and wondering if my passenger had died. And I thought Palm
Springs would be such a pretty place laying by the pool this time of
year. Dates anyone?
John
Do not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LarryRosen@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Back Seat Strap Protection was Sun-N-Fun my
comments
--> RV10-List message posted by: LarryRosen@comcast.net
John,
Any suggestions on how to protect the nut that stick out into the
passanger area?
Larry
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox"
<johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Tim didn't post but as a backseat ballast on his (turbulence)
transition
> training you should all address protective covering of the shoulder
> harness strap mount in the overhead.
>
> Nuf Said.
>
> John - $00.02
> Do not Archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:36 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-N-Fun my comments
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> So far I haven't had any complaints from passengers. I myself did
> comment when I did the demo flight that the -10 seemed to have a bit
> of a tail waggle oscillation in turbulence....and I wondered if a
> yaw dampener might not be a bad idea someday.
>
> That said, from the flight down and back, I rode turbulence all the
> way down and didn't experience anything that would cause me to
> think a dampener was needed. On the way home, in the last few
> miles, we got tossed around quite a bit and at that time I could
> see a use for it...but considering the turbulence I was ok with
> how it performed without. It may be a long term goal.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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