---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/16/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:36 AM - Re: Removable Rear Windows? (Wayne Edgerton) 2. 07:36 AM - RV10 Fuel Tanks (zackrv8) 3. 10:20 AM - Re: FAB Instructions (Cal Hoffman) 4. 11:33 AM - Low Drag VHF Antenna (Roger Standley) 5. 12:03 PM - Re: Low Drag VHF Antenna (JSMcGrew@aol.com) 6. 12:52 PM - Re: Low Drag VHF Antenna (Roger Standley) 7. 02:52 PM - Re: Low Drag VHF Antenna (JSMcGrew@aol.com) 8. 03:19 PM - Re: Low Drag VHF Antenna (Chris , Susie Darcy) 9. 03:22 PM - Re: FAB Instructions (Chris , Susie Darcy) 10. 03:34 PM - Re: Low Drag VHF Antenna (Chris , Susie Darcy) 11. 04:12 PM - Re: Low Drag VHF Antenna (Roger Standley) 12. 04:30 PM - Re: Low Drag VHF Antenna (Conti, Rick) 13. 06:06 PM - RV 10 Empenage Kit For Sale (Frank Dombroski) 14. 06:25 PM - Re: Low Drag VHF Antenna (JSMcGrew@aol.com) 15. 09:17 PM - light aircraft shootdown (David McNeill) 16. 10:04 PM - Re: Tru Trak's RV10 (Deems Davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:44 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Removable Rear Windows? I would possible be interested in the window trim pieces also. Wayne Edgerton #40336 do no archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:57 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RV10 Fuel Tanks From: "zackrv8" --> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" For those of you "lucky" enough to have the luxury of building your own fuel tanks, here's a tip that might save you some time. The plans have you rivet the J channel in the tanks after the ribs. Don't have to. Check it out for yourself before you proseal. Put the J channel in place with clecos. Now, put one or all of the ribs in place just to see if you can do it. It is very easy and you will find works. I prosealed and back riveted all bottom and top tank stiffners in first (as per plans) but also riveted and prosealed the J channel. Then I installed the ribs. With an "acid brush" with the hairs cut off half way, I painted the ribs and skin with proseal. Now, slide the rib onto skin. You cock the rib 45 degrees, put the J channel end on the skin first, then put the rib straight in place. It works guys! The best part about this procedure is that you can back rivet the J channel in place and not worry about sliding that proseal mess in later. Zack -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28717#28717 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:46 AM PST US From: "Cal Hoffman" Subject: Re: RV10-List: FAB Instructions MessageI would also like a copy, please. Cal Hoffman (cehoffman@bellsouth.net) ----- Original Message ----- From: Indran Chelvanayagam To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: FAB Instructions I can email these instructions (577Kb file) to anyone else if requested - I haven't posted them here in deference to those with dial-up (Chris McG - you listening?) Indran Chelvanayagam From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kraus Sent: Sunday, 16 April 2006 6:29 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: FAB Instructions Can someone tell me where the Filtered Airbox Instructions are located? The FAB kit did not include any, and they are not in the FWF instructions that I have. Does someone have a set the can scan and e-mail to me? Or enlighten me on where I may find them? Thanks -Mike Kraus ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:16 AM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Message Is anyone using the Van's Low Drag VHF Antenna? Any tips on installation? Roger Standley #40291 - fuselage, wiring ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:38 PM PST US From: JSMcGrew@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Roger, I mounted the low drag VHF comm antenna in the canopy for use with my #2 radio. I have a bent whip on the belly of the plane for my #1 radio. I glassed it to the inside of the canopy top, just aft of the right door. This antenna is supposed to be vertical as much as possible and that is the best place I could find an almost vertical 23" surface. After sanding, filling and painting it just disappeared and looks great. I hooked it up to my VHF handheld and have been listening to airline traffic in and out of Boise from my garage... as far as I can tell it works great. Fiberglass does not blank VHF transmissions - however I believe certain exterior paints (metallics?) might have some effect. The reason I did not want to use this for my primary radio is the considerable blanking you get from the aluminum portion of the fuselage, but it should be fine for a backup. Additionally, I plan on glassing the VOR antenna in the wingtip. That is a horizontally polarized signal and should work great there. Plus there is much less blanking from aluminum structures way out on the wing tip. Pictures attached. Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew _jsmcgrew@aol.com_ (mailto:jsmcgrew@aol.com) In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:35:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Is anyone using the Van's Low Drag VHF Antenna? Any tips on installation? Roger Standley #40291 - fuselage, wiring ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:40 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Jim, Thank you for the response. Very clever installation. One more question, what did you do about a "ground plane"? Is one recommended? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMcGrew@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Roger, I mounted the low drag VHF comm antenna in the canopy for use with my #2 radio. I have a bent whip on the belly of the plane for my #1 radio. I glassed it to the inside of the canopy top, just aft of the right door. This antenna is supposed to be vertical as much as possible and that is the best place I could find an almost vertical 23" surface. After sanding, filling and painting it just disappeared and looks great. I hooked it up to my VHF handheld and have been listening to airline traffic in and out of Boise from my garage... as far as I can tell it works great. Fiberglass does not blank VHF transmissions - however I believe certain exterior paints (metallics?) might have some effect. The reason I did not want to use this for my primary radio is the considerable blanking you get from the aluminum portion of the fuselage, but it should be fine for a backup. Additionally, I plan on glassing the VOR antenna in the wingtip. That is a horizontally polarized signal and should work great there. Plus there is much less blanking from aluminum structures way out on the wing tip. Pictures attached. Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew jsmcgrew@aol.com In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:35:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Is anyone using the Van's Low Drag VHF Antenna? Any tips on installation? Roger Standley #40291 - fuselage, wiring ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:46 PM PST US From: JSMcGrew@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna I believe the ground plane requirement is covered by the antenna coax connector (included in the antenna kit) which is bolted to the aluminum part of the airframe. There is no mention of ground plane in the sheet Van's included with the antenna kit. Jim In a message dated 4/16/2006 1:55:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Jim, Thank you for the response. Very clever installation. One more question, what did you do about a "ground plane"? Is one recommended? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: _JSMcGrew@aol.com_ (mailto:JSMcGrew@aol.com) Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Roger, I mounted the low drag VHF comm antenna in the canopy for use with my #2 radio. I have a bent whip on the belly of the plane for my #1 radio. I glassed it to the inside of the canopy top, just aft of the right door. This antenna is supposed to be vertical as much as possible and that is the best place I could find an almost vertical 23" surface. After sanding, filling and painting it just disappeared and looks great. I hooked it up to my VHF handheld and have been listening to airline traffic in and out of Boise from my garage... as far as I can tell it works great. Fiberglass does not blank VHF transmissions - however I believe certain exterior paints (metallics?) might have some effect. The reason I did not want to use this for my primary radio is the considerable blanking you get from the aluminum portion of the fuselage, but it should be fine for a backup. Additionally, I plan on glassing the VOR antenna in the wingtip. That is a horizontally polarized signal and should work great there. Plus there is much less blanking from aluminum structures way out on the wing tip. Pictures attached. Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew _jsmcgrew@aol.com_ (mailto:jsmcgrew@aol.com) In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:35:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Is anyone using the Van's Low Drag VHF Antenna? Any tips on installation? Roger Standley #40291 - fuselage, wiring ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:22 PM PST US From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Most antenas need ground planes....the connector would not be enough. Chris VK3GI 40388 ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMcGrew@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna I believe the ground plane requirement is covered by the antenna coax connector (included in the antenna kit) which is bolted to the aluminum part of the airframe. There is no mention of ground plane in the sheet Van's included with the antenna kit. Jim In a message dated 4/16/2006 1:55:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Jim, Thank you for the response. Very clever installation. One more question, what did you do about a "ground plane"? Is one recommended? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMcGrew@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Roger, I mounted the low drag VHF comm antenna in the canopy for use with my #2 radio. I have a bent whip on the belly of the plane for my #1 radio. I glassed it to the inside of the canopy top, just aft of the right door. This antenna is supposed to be vertical as much as possible and that is the best place I could find an almost vertical 23" surface. After sanding, filling and painting it just disappeared and looks great. I hooked it up to my VHF handheld and have been listening to airline traffic in and out of Boise from my garage... as far as I can tell it works great. Fiberglass does not blank VHF transmissions - however I believe certain exterior paints (metallics?) might have some effect. The reason I did not want to use this for my primary radio is the considerable blanking you get from the aluminum portion of the fuselage, but it should be fine for a backup. Additionally, I plan on glassing the VOR antenna in the wingtip. That is a horizontally polarized signal and should work great there. Plus there is much less blanking from aluminum structures way out on the wing tip. Pictures attached. Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew jsmcgrew@aol.com In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:35:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Is anyone using the Van's Low Drag VHF Antenna? Any tips on installation? Roger Standley #40291 - fuselage, wiring ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:38 PM PST US From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" Subject: Re: RV10-List: FAB Instructions MessageIndran are you sending a 4-6 meg picture? Thats what the drama was not very useful files like this ....please put on list Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Indran Chelvanayagam To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:49 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: FAB Instructions I can email these instructions (577Kb file) to anyone else if requested - I haven't posted them here in deference to those with dial-up (Chris McG - you listening?) Indran Chelvanayagam From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Kraus Sent: Sunday, 16 April 2006 6:29 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: FAB Instructions Can someone tell me where the Filtered Airbox Instructions are located? The FAB kit did not include any, and they are not in the FWF instructions that I have. Does someone have a set the can scan and e-mail to me? Or enlighten me on where I may find them? Thanks -Mike Kraus ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:55 PM PST US From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Woops read where connector is attached to airframe....this should be enough....so disregard chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris , Susie Darcy To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:18 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Most antenas need ground planes....the connector would not be enough. Chris VK3GI 40388 ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMcGrew@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna I believe the ground plane requirement is covered by the antenna coax connector (included in the antenna kit) which is bolted to the aluminum part of the airframe. There is no mention of ground plane in the sheet Van's included with the antenna kit. Jim In a message dated 4/16/2006 1:55:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Jim, Thank you for the response. Very clever installation. One more question, what did you do about a "ground plane"? Is one recommended? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMcGrew@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Roger, I mounted the low drag VHF comm antenna in the canopy for use with my #2 radio. I have a bent whip on the belly of the plane for my #1 radio. I glassed it to the inside of the canopy top, just aft of the right door. This antenna is supposed to be vertical as much as possible and that is the best place I could find an almost vertical 23" surface. After sanding, filling and painting it just disappeared and looks great. I hooked it up to my VHF handheld and have been listening to airline traffic in and out of Boise from my garage... as far as I can tell it works great. Fiberglass does not blank VHF transmissions - however I believe certain exterior paints (metallics?) might have some effect. The reason I did not want to use this for my primary radio is the considerable blanking you get from the aluminum portion of the fuselage, but it should be fine for a backup. Additionally, I plan on glassing the VOR antenna in the wingtip. That is a horizontally polarized signal and should work great there. Plus there is much less blanking from aluminum structures way out on the wing tip. Pictures attached. Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew jsmcgrew@aol.com In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:35:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Is anyone using the Van's Low Drag VHF Antenna? Any tips on installation? Roger Standley #40291 - fuselage, wiring ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:04 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Jim, Makes sense that bolting the connector to the frame does the trick. I didn't receive a sheet with the kit from Vans. Guess that is why the questions. Could you please send a copy of it to me? Thanks a bunch. This list is great! Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMcGrew@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna I believe the ground plane requirement is covered by the antenna coax connector (included in the antenna kit) which is bolted to the aluminum part of the airframe. There is no mention of ground plane in the sheet Van's included with the antenna kit. Jim In a message dated 4/16/2006 1:55:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Jim, Thank you for the response. Very clever installation. One more question, what did you do about a "ground plane"? Is one recommended? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMcGrew@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Roger, I mounted the low drag VHF comm antenna in the canopy for use with my #2 radio. I have a bent whip on the belly of the plane for my #1 radio. I glassed it to the inside of the canopy top, just aft of the right door. This antenna is supposed to be vertical as much as possible and that is the best place I could find an almost vertical 23" surface. After sanding, filling and painting it just disappeared and looks great. I hooked it up to my VHF handheld and have been listening to airline traffic in and out of Boise from my garage... as far as I can tell it works great. Fiberglass does not blank VHF transmissions - however I believe certain exterior paints (metallics?) might have some effect. The reason I did not want to use this for my primary radio is the considerable blanking you get from the aluminum portion of the fuselage, but it should be fine for a backup. Additionally, I plan on glassing the VOR antenna in the wingtip. That is a horizontally polarized signal and should work great there. Plus there is much less blanking from aluminum structures way out on the wing tip. Pictures attached. Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew jsmcgrew@aol.com In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:35:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Is anyone using the Van's Low Drag VHF Antenna? Any tips on installation? Roger Standley #40291 - fuselage, wiring ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna From: "Conti, Rick" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" I'll keep this short. The antenna ground plane is critical. If the antenna is mounted on the rear of the fuselage the radiation pattern will greater In the forward direction and visa versa. Thank You Rick Conti The Boeing Company Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld -----Original Message----- From: Roger Standley Sent: Sun Apr 16 16:09:17 2006 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Jim, Makes sense that bolting the connector to the frame does the trick. I didn't receive a sheet with the kit from Vans. Guess that is why the questions. Could you please send a copy of it to me? Thanks a bunch. This list is great! Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMcGrew@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna I believe the ground plane requirement is covered by the antenna coax connector (included in the antenna kit) which is bolted to the aluminum part of the airframe. There is no mention of ground plane in the sheet Van's included with the antenna kit. Jim In a message dated 4/16/2006 1:55:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Jim, Thank you for the response. Very clever installation. One more question, what did you do about a "ground plane"? Is one recommended? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMcGrew@aol.com To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Roger, I mounted the low drag VHF comm antenna in the canopy for use with my #2 radio. I have a bent whip on the belly of the plane for my #1 radio. I glassed it to the inside of the canopy top, just aft of the right door. This antenna is supposed to be vertical as much as possible and that is the best place I could find an almost vertical 23" surface. After sanding, filling and painting it just disappeared and looks great. I hooked it up to my VHF handheld and have been listening to airline traffic in and out of Boise from my garage... as far as I can tell it works great. Fiberglass does not blank VHF transmissions - however I believe certain exterior paints (metallics?) might have some effect. The reason I did not want to use this for my primary radio is the considerable blanking you get from the aluminum portion of the fuselage, but it should be fine for a backup. Additionally, I plan on glassing the VOR antenna in the wingtip. That is a horizontally polarized signal and should work great there. Plus there is much less blanking from aluminum structures way out on the wing tip. Pictures attached. Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew jsmcgrew@aol.com In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:35:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Is anyone using the Van's Low Drag VHF Antenna? Any tips on installation? Roger Standley #40291 - fuselage, wiring ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:39 PM PST US From: Frank Dombroski Subject: RV10-List: RV 10 Empenage Kit For Sale HS complete and riveted. Rudder complete and ready to rivet. Remainder of empenage and rear fuse section still in crateAll parts primed and conditioned properly. Excellent workmanship. Easy assembly, but no time to build. Pictures available. Serious inquiries. Located in north central NJ 07090. $3000 Frank 908-577-1625 f.dombroski@yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:44 PM PST US From: JSMcGrew@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna File attached. -Jim Do not archive In a message dated 4/16/2006 5:13:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Jim, Makes sense that bolting the connector to the frame does the trick. I didn't receive a sheet with the kit from Vans. Guess that is why the questions. Could you please send a copy of it to me? Thanks a bunch. This list is great! Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: _JSMcGrew@aol.com_ (mailto:JSMcGrew@aol.com) Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna I believe the ground plane requirement is covered by the antenna coax connector (included in the antenna kit) which is bolted to the aluminum part of the airframe. There is no mention of ground plane in the sheet Van's included with the antenna kit. Jim In a message dated 4/16/2006 1:55:19 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Jim, Thank you for the response. Very clever installation. One more question, what did you do about a "ground plane"? Is one recommended? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: _JSMcGrew@aol.com_ (mailto:JSMcGrew@aol.com) Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna Roger, I mounted the low drag VHF comm antenna in the canopy for use with my #2 radio. I have a bent whip on the belly of the plane for my #1 radio. I glassed it to the inside of the canopy top, just aft of the right door. This antenna is supposed to be vertical as much as possible and that is the best place I could find an almost vertical 23" surface. After sanding, filling and painting it just disappeared and looks great. I hooked it up to my VHF handheld and have been listening to airline traffic in and out of Boise from my garage... as far as I can tell it works great. Fiberglass does not blank VHF transmissions - however I believe certain exterior paints (metallics?) might have some effect. The reason I did not want to use this for my primary radio is the considerable blanking you get from the aluminum portion of the fuselage, but it should be fine for a backup. Additionally, I plan on glassing the VOR antenna in the wingtip. That is a horizontally polarized signal and should work great there. Plus there is much less blanking from aluminum structures way out on the wing tip. Pictures attached. Jim 40134 Jim "Scooter" McGrew _jsmcgrew@aol.com_ (mailto:jsmcgrew@aol.com) In a message dated 4/16/2006 12:35:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com writes: Is anyone using the Van's Low Drag VHF Antenna? Any tips on installation? Roger Standley #40291 - fuselage, wiring ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:13 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: light aircraft shootdown --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" Hope our RV10 builder in Ecuador will be careful on his return to the states for OSH. Seems there is a news report of a Panamanian helicopter shooting down a suspected drug runner and killing one of the two occupants. Looked at the maps and see Ecuador is just south of Colombia and must cross Panamanian airspace to reach the US. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:39 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tru Trak's RV10 --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis Anybody know what kind of a prop they have on it? It's 3 blade is it an MT? or Aero Composite? Deems Davis # 406 Fuse http://deemsrv10.com