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1. 03:37 AM - Re: Tru Trak's RV10 (Rob Kermanj)
2. 05:09 AM - Re: light aircraft shootdown (Jesse Saint)
3. 07:01 AM - Re: Tru Trak's RV10 (Andrew Barker)
4. 07:20 AM - Re: Low Drag VHF Antenna (Roger Standley)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: Tru Trak's RV10 (LessDragProd@aol.com)
6. 08:14 AM - Re: Tru Trak's RV10 (Tom Deutsch)
7. 08:27 AM - Starting on firewall - gotchas? (Jay Brinkmeyer)
8. 08:37 AM - low drag antenna (Chris Hukill)
9. 03:00 PM - SafeAir static ports & tubing (Jay Brinkmeyer)
10. 03:18 PM - Re: SafeAir static ports & tubing (Michael Schipper)
11. 05:34 PM - Re: Twenty Nine Palms (Randy DeBauw)
12. 06:13 PM - Re: Tru Trak's RV10 (John W. Cox)
13. 06:40 PM - Re: Tru Trak's RV10 (Mark Chamberlain)
14. 06:47 PM - Re: Tru Trak's RV10 (Deems Davis)
15. 06:48 PM - Re: Tru Trak's RV10 (Sean Stephens)
16. 07:01 PM - fuel caps (Robert G. Wright)
17. 07:11 PM - Re: Twenty Nine Palms (John W. Cox)
18. 07:17 PM - Re: Tru Trak's RV10 (John W. Cox)
19. 08:59 PM - Re: Starting on firewall - gotchas? (Rick)
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak's RV10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
If it was at Sin/Fun, it is a three blade MT.
On 4/17/06, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> Anybody know what kind of a prop they have on it? It's 3 blade is it an
> MT? or Aero Composite?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com
>
>
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| Subject: | light aircraft shootdown |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We'll be careful. It will be transported back unmanned. In a shipping
container, that is, to get the engine and instruments installed in the US.
Thanks for the concern.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: light aircraft shootdown
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Hope our RV10 builder in Ecuador will be careful on his return to the states
for OSH. Seems there is a news report of a Panamanian helicopter shooting
down a suspected drug runner and killing one of the two occupants. Looked at
the maps and see Ecuador is just south of Colombia and must cross Panamanian
airspace to reach the US.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker" <Andrew@trutrakap.com>
It is aero composite.
Andrew Barker
General Manager
TruTrak Flight Systems
"You build it...We fly it!"
PH:479-751-0250 Ext. 222
www.trutrakap.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tru Trak's RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
If it was at Sin/Fun, it is a three blade MT.
On 4/17/06, Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> Anybody know what kind of a prop they have on it? It's 3 blade is it an
> MT? or Aero Composite?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Low Drag VHF Antenna |
Jim,
THANK YOU!!!
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From: JSMcGrew@aol.com<mailto:JSMcGrew@aol.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Low Drag VHF Antenna
File attached.
-Jim
Do not archive
In a message dated 4/16/2006 5:13:11 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, taildragon@msn.com<mailto:taildragon@msn.com> writes:
Jim,
Makes sense that bolting the connector to the frame does the trick. I didn't
receive a sheet with the kit from Vans. Guess that is why the questions. Could
you please send a copy of it to me? Thanks a bunch. This list is great!
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak's RV10 |
I talked with one of the TruTrak employees about the propeller. The
propeller purchased is the most expensive propeller available. Aero Composites.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 04/16/2006 10:05:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
deemsdavis@cox.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Anybody know what kind of a prop they have on it? It's 3 blade is it an
MT? or Aero Composite?
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com
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Jim Ayers, call me sometime, I have a long lost cousin named Jim Ayers.
I wonder?????????????
#40545
Tom Deutsch
Office 913 451-1222
Fax 913 451-6493
Cell 913 908-7752
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LessDragProd@aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tru Trak's RV10
I talked with one of the TruTrak employees about the propeller. The
propeller purchased is the most expensive propeller available. Aero
Composites.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 04/16/2006 10:05:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
deemsdavis@cox.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
<deemsdavis@cox.net>
=09
Anybody know what kind of a prop they have on it? It's 3 blade
is it an
MT? or Aero Composite?
=09
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com
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| Subject: | Starting on firewall - gotchas? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
I'm starting part prep on my slow build firewall. Anyone have input on what
accouterments should be ordered and/or installed while there's still have good
access to everything? How 'bout conduit run locations and/or access panel
photos?
I visited a fellow -10 builder Saturday and he mentioned it might be a good
idea to fabricate a baggage floor panel to give access to the step bolts as
some have seen them loosen up over time.
Is there any concensus on installing the brake line bracket (or not) to allow
for parking brake? If a parking brake is installed then what sort of bracket is
required?
Cheers,
Jay
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| Subject: | low drag antenna |
Jim
Could you send me pictures of your installation of the low drag antenna?
Thanks
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | SafeAir static ports & tubing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
Is anyone flying using the SafeAir static ports? Searching the archives
revealed some interesting comments both pro and con. I like the promise of
one-stop-shopping, but would like to hear what others have to say before taking
the plunge.
Regards,
Jay
Message: #4747
Subject: Pitot lines - paper of plastic?
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Personally, I am running SafeAir's tubing all the way to the pitot and the
static heads. Can't remember what it's made of but it is plastic. They use the
exact same tubing that is used for air brake lines so I'm guessing that they
will be more than sufficient. I mainly went with theirs because it came with
all of the connectors along with static ports. If I had to do it again I would
probably just use 1/4" polyethylene tubing that you can get from any home
improvement store. PEX (polyethylene) tubing, and it's fast on connectors, are
more than adequate and I have yet to have a leak in one with water pressures
around 100psi. Not to mention it is now being used as primary water lines in
homes and is more commonly used as the hot glycol tubing in radiant concrete
floors. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: SafeAir static ports & tubing |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Schipper <mike@learningplanet.com>
I have installed the SafeAir1 kit in my RV-9A and I am glad I did.
When I had my pitot-static test done, the guy told me that the #1
problem with the static systems in RVs is the use of a pop rivet for
the static port. Mine are flush mounted (installed with proseal). My
pitot static system checked out perfectly the first time.
Additionally, the kit includes "quick connect" T-fittings, which make
maintenance an easy task. I like them a lot.
Mike Schipper
RV-9A - N63MS - Flying
www.my9a.com
On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Jay Brinkmeyer wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jay Brinkmeyer
> <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
>
> Is anyone flying using the SafeAir static ports? Searching the
> archives
> revealed some interesting comments both pro and con. I like the
> promise of
> one-stop-shopping, but would like to hear what others have to say
> before taking
> the plunge.
>
> Regards,
> Jay
>
>
> Message: #4747
> Subject: Pitot lines - paper of plastic?
> Date: Jan 18, 2006
> From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
>
> Personally, I am running SafeAir's tubing all the way to the
> pitot and the
> static heads. Can't remember what it's made of but it is plastic.
> They use the
> exact same tubing that is used for air brake lines so I'm guessing
> that they
> will be more than sufficient. I mainly went with theirs because it
> came with
> all of the connectors along with static ports. If I had to do it
> again I would
> probably just use 1/4" polyethylene tubing that you can get from
> any home
> improvement store. PEX (polyethylene) tubing, and it's fast on
> connectors, are
> more than adequate and I have yet to have a leak in one with water
> pressures
> around 100psi. Not to mention it is now being used as primary water
> lines in
> homes and is more commonly used as the hot glycol tubing in radiant
> concrete
> floors. Michael Sausen -10 #352 Fuselage
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Twenty Nine Palms |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
We had a nice flight down. It was a little bumpy all of the way down.
We flew at 13,500 to Yerington for fuel and then at 11,500 into Bullhead
City for the night. We landed after dark. That MX20 terrain feature was
just the ticket with all of the mountains around that field. Short 50
min flight to TNP the next day. Leaving tomorrow am and flying on the
west side of the mountains this time. I have written down all of my
performance numbers and will post them when I get back. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Twenty Nine Palms
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Stay well away from the leeward back burbles, the turbulence can be
teeth rattling. Be mindful of correct ridgeline crossing heading and
altitudes. I had a friend who was knocked out cold from a smack from
both an errant mike and baggage as we ventured through the pass. Early
AM is best.
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Twenty Nine Palms
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Nothing special about the airport itself, I took my multiegine training
nearby @ salton sea (below sea level) and we used it for some IFR
approaches. Depending upon your route takes you pass through the Banning
Pass, just north of Palm Springs, you can expect some bumps,
particularly if late in the day or if there is any wind (very common).
if you come down through the Calif inland valleys and come on the
backside of mtns you will avoid that and most of the Trafic associated
with the LAX and Ontario/Riverside approaches.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Randy DeBauw wrote:
> I am heading to Twenty Nine Palms Ca. this Friday. Is there anyone who
> has used that airport? Any thing I should know about it. Thanks,
Randy
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Andrew, there are a lot of lurkers on this list that would love to here
the performance specs when Jim is ready. There has yet to be a
comprehensive posting of the MT 3 blade performance and many of the 2
blade Hartzell's are just as silent. This will be the hottest topic at
OSH '06.
I for one would like to hear how Jim likes it.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Barker
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 6:59 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tru Trak's RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Andrew Barker" <Andrew@trutrakap.com>
It is aero composite.
Andrew Barker
General Manager
TruTrak Flight Systems
"You build it...We fly it!"
PH:479-751-0250 Ext. 222
www.trutrakap.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak's RV10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
The three blade MT is quiet, runs smooth and looks cool!!! What else do you
want!!
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak's RV10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Speed!
Mark Chamberlain wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
>
> The three blade MT is quiet, runs smooth and looks cool!!! What else
> do you want!!
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tru Trak's RV10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens <schmoboy@cox.net>
On Apr 17, 2006, at 6:38 PM, Mark Chamberlain wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain"
> <10flyer@verizon.net>
>
> The three blade MT is quiet, runs smooth and looks cool!!! What
> else do you want!!
>
Performance numbers.
-Sean #40303 (Closing Wings)
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Anyone who's received a QB kit recently - did you get the $100 fuel caps or
the $105 locking fuel caps?
Rob #392
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| Subject: | Twenty Nine Palms |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
If I reimburse you for some of the gas, can we get high altitude
performance numbers on both the Mountain High and VANS Engine Service
Ceiling estimate for your engine? The headwinds don't look too bad.
Gentle Breezes and Soft Landings
John Cox - $00.02
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Twenty Nine Palms
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
We had a nice flight down. It was a little bumpy all of the way down.
We flew at 13,500 to Yerington for fuel and then at 11,500 into Bullhead
City for the night. We landed after dark. That MX20 terrain feature was
just the ticket with all of the mountains around that field. Short 50
min flight to TNP the next day. Leaving tomorrow am and flying on the
west side of the mountains this time. I have written down all of my
performance numbers and will post them when I get back. Randy
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Coming from you Mark, a flying RV-10 owner, I am a most appreciative
builder. A head to head with another flying the 2 blade would be great.
Now if both you and Vic could just throw down the gauntlet to all these
New Hartzell boyz and girls (Debbie). It is a lot more useful than just
insults that the AeroComp is much more expensive. I am hoping Jim
Younkin will take the bruise and join the dialogue anyway.
Thanks Mark.
John - KUAO
Do not Archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Chamberlain
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tru Trak's RV10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain"
<10flyer@verizon.net>
The three blade MT is quiet, runs smooth and looks cool!!! What else do
you
want!!
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| Subject: | Re: Starting on firewall - gotchas? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Jay,
Mike Howe and several others have what seems to be the standard for the parking
brake valve. We used the bracket supplied by Vans for I think is a fuel pump
on the O-540 vs. the IO-540 where you don't need the bracket. I did mine after
the firewall was complete but you can save time by not putting the supplied brake
line bracket in place then having to remove it and fill the holes.
Deem's Davis has some good slow build pic's on his site too along with some of
his "Gotchas" It's weird for me to check out his site because his project really
mirrors my project to include the areas he removed the plastic and the primer
color, now he is using the same dolly for the Fuselage so it looks even more
like my garage!
You can make some pretty nice rivets using the C-Frame to in effect back rivet
areas where it is impractical to use the back rivet plate. Run your brake lines
and transponder ant. (if your mounting it under the tunnel) after the bottom
skin is on prior to joining the mid section. There are a lot of areas to watch
out for over the next few chapters. Especially the riveting of the upper/lower
fwd longerons to the firewall brackets. There is critical edge distance that
clamping will prevent problems when you get to that step. If you going to use
metal eyeball penetrations for your engine controls, don't follow Van's "Drill
3 each 5/8" holes in the recess", wait until you get the eyeballs to get proper
spacing.
That all I can think of currently....I could go page by page with you and point
out a whole bunch of "and oh yeah on this step" stuff.
Rick S.
40185
Fuse/Finish
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