---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/21/06: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:28 AM - Re: flap system install (Jack Sargeant) 2. 05:47 AM - Re: flap system install (linn Walters) 3. 06:55 AM - Re: flap system install (Sam Marlow) 4. 06:56 AM - Re: flap system install (John W. Cox) 5. 07:13 AM - Re: RV Assembly Workshop (Mike Lauritsen - Work) 6. 07:40 AM - Re: flap system install (GRANSCOTT@aol.com) 7. 08:34 AM - Fuel Injection Choices (Tom Gesele) 8. 08:52 AM - Kit 14 For Sale (Conti, Rick) 9. 09:35 AM - Re: Twenty Nine Palms (Randy DeBauw) 10. 09:37 AM - Re: Cowl fasteners (Randy DeBauw) 11. 09:45 AM - Re: Kit 14 For Sale (Ostategrad@cs.com) 12. 09:50 AM - Re: Kit 14 For Sale (Sam Marlow) 13. 10:11 AM - Re: empty weight (Randy DeBauw) 14. 10:37 AM - New web site address (John Jessen) 15. 11:21 AM - Re: New web site address (Phillips, Jack) 16. 12:01 PM - crotch strap bracket (Chris Johnston) 17. 12:22 PM - Re: crotch strap bracket (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 18. 02:31 PM - Attn Australians - tail kit and tools for sale (Mark Drury) 19. 02:35 PM - Overhead Console - Update (Larry Rosen) 20. 04:13 PM - Re: empty weight (Rob Kermanj) 21. 04:34 PM - Re: Attn Australians - tail kit and tools for sale (Paul Walter) 22. 04:43 PM - Re: Overhead Console - Update (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 23. 05:55 PM - Re: empty weight (Larry Rosen) 24. 05:55 PM - Your bucking bar input please. (Deems Davis) 25. 06:05 PM - Re: empty weight (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 26. 06:53 PM - Re: empty weight (Rob Kermanj) 27. 07:18 PM - Re: panel (Dan Masys) 28. 08:37 PM - Re: Kit 14 For Sale (John Testement) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:28:38 AM PST US From: "Jack Sargeant" Subject: RE: RV10-List: flap system install This could be a dangerous practice. At least with my shop vac any vapors which make it through the filter (and the filter is designed to trap particles, not vapor) will be exposed to the motor brushes. This could result in a rather large bang! Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/682-5268 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:54 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: flap system install just finishing the flap system install. a couple of pointers Ream all weldment holes to size: AN3 = #12 ream AN4 = .249 ream although the plans show installing by inserting through the rear floor area; they can be inserted more easily via the external hole and pushed to the center. The outer skin hole should be deburred and smooth. The key is marking all parts to location and orientation. then wax the torque tubes and insert. with reference to the flap horn bolts. leave the tunnel parts together but don't install tunnel bolts. install the flap horn outboard bolt first after sliding the torque tube as far into the center weldment as possible. then a wrench underneath and a ratchet extension will allow tightening. Then position the torque tube properly; the other bolt can be reached with a ratchet extension.vertically when drilling the flap motor for safety wire you will probably need to drill vertically about .050 and then horizontally to meet the vertical hole. lastly this applies to all corrosion treatment of tubes. I clean the inside with an acetone rinse then spray primer in the end. on the other end is an operating shop vacuum. the primer is quickly distributed down the pipe. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:44 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: flap system install Not true. Even with the most volatile stuff out there, there is so much air that the mixture is too lean to ignite. If I'm not totally mistaken .... 'Mythbusters' also came to the same conclusion. But having said that, all that paint in the vacuum cleaner can't be a good thing either. Linn Jack Sargeant wrote: > This could be a dangerous practice. At least with my shop vac any > vapors which make it through the filter (and the filter is designed to > trap particles, not vapor) will be exposed to the motor brushes. This > could result in a rather large bang! > > > Jack & Cecilia Sargeant > 1127 Patricia St. > Wichita, KS 67208-2642 > 316/682-5268 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David > McNeill > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:54 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: flap system install > > just finishing the flap system install. > > a couple of pointers > > Ream all weldment holes to size: AN3 = #12 ream AN4 = .249 ream > > although the plans show installing by inserting through the rear > floor area; they can be inserted more easily via the external hole > and pushed to the center. The outer skin hole should be deburred > and smooth. The key is marking all parts to location and > orientation. then wax the torque tubes and insert. > > with reference to the flap horn bolts. leave the tunnel parts > together but don't install tunnel bolts. install the flap horn > outboard bolt first after sliding the torque tube as far into the > center weldment as possible. then a wrench underneath and a > ratchet extension will allow tightening. Then position the torque > tube properly; the other bolt can be reached with a ratchet > extension.vertically > > when drilling the flap motor for safety wire you will probably > need to drill vertically about .050 and then horizontally to meet > the vertical hole. > > lastly this applies to all corrosion treatment of tubes. I clean > the inside with an acetone rinse then spray primer in the end. on > the other end is an operating shop vacuum. the primer is quickly > distributed down the pipe. > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:18 AM PST US From: Sam Marlow Subject: Re: RV10-List: flap system install Hey guy's, you can totally destroy a perfectly good vacuum, and scare the crap out of anyone within a 100ft or so, with flammable vapors. Don't ask me how I know! Sam Engine linn Walters wrote: > Not true. Even with the most volatile stuff out there, there is so > much air that the mixture is too lean to ignite. If I'm not totally > mistaken .... 'Mythbusters' also came to the same conclusion. But > having said that, all that paint in the vacuum cleaner can't be a good > thing either. > Linn > > > Jack Sargeant wrote: > >> This could be a dangerous practice. At least with my shop vac any >> vapors which make it through the filter (and the filter is designed >> to trap particles, not vapor) will be exposed to the motor brushes. >> This could result in a rather large bang! >> >> >> Jack & Cecilia Sargeant >> 1127 Patricia St. >> Wichita, KS 67208-2642 >> 316/682-5268 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David >> McNeill >> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:54 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: flap system install >> >> just finishing the flap system install. >> >> a couple of pointers >> >> Ream all weldment holes to size: AN3 = #12 ream AN4 = .249 ream >> >> although the plans show installing by inserting through the rear >> floor area; they can be inserted more easily via the external >> hole and pushed to the center. The outer skin hole should be >> deburred and smooth. The key is marking all parts to location and >> orientation. then wax the torque tubes and insert. >> >> with reference to the flap horn bolts. leave the tunnel parts >> together but don't install tunnel bolts. install the flap horn >> outboard bolt first after sliding the torque tube as far into the >> center weldment as possible. then a wrench underneath and a >> ratchet extension will allow tightening. Then position the torque >> tube properly; the other bolt can be reached with a ratchet >> extension.vertically >> >> when drilling the flap motor for safety wire you will probably >> need to drill vertically about .050 and then horizontally to >> meet the vertical hole. >> >> lastly this applies to all corrosion treatment of tubes. I clean >> the inside with an acetone rinse then spray primer in the end. on >> the other end is an operating shop vacuum. the primer is quickly >> distributed down the pipe. >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:32 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: flap system install From: "John W. Cox" Sure, and aluminum and steel grinding dust won't ignite cause there is too much air. Ask Hoyt Fleming of Boise how his brand new Lancair ES was burned to waste parts by just sanding. You need to do further research and not hold Myth Busters in such high esteem. That phrase " I didn't know it would do that.... Or Here, hold my beer and watch this" come to mind. John - $00.02 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:47 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: flap system install Not true. Even with the most volatile stuff out there, there is so much air that the mixture is too lean to ignite. If I'm not totally mistaken .... 'Mythbusters' also came to the same conclusion. But having said that, all that paint in the vacuum cleaner can't be a good thing either. Linn Jack Sargeant wrote: This could be a dangerous practice. At least with my shop vac any vapors which make it through the filter (and the filter is designed to trap particles, not vapor) will be exposed to the motor brushes. This could result in a rather large bang! Jack & Cecilia Sargeant 1127 Patricia St. Wichita, KS 67208-2642 316/682-5268 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:54 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: flap system install just finishing the flap system install. a couple of pointers Ream all weldment holes to size: AN3 =3D #12 ream AN4 =3D .249 ream although the plans show installing by inserting through the rear floor area; they can be inserted more easily via the external hole and pushed to the center. The outer skin hole should be deburred and smooth. The key is marking all parts to location and orientation. then wax the torque tubes and insert. with reference to the flap horn bolts. leave the tunnel parts together but don't install tunnel bolts. install the flap horn outboard bolt first after sliding the torque tube as far into the center weldment as possible. then a wrench underneath and a ratchet extension will allow tightening. Then position the torque tube properly; the other bolt can be reached with a ratchet extension.vertically when drilling the flap motor for safety wire you will probably need to drill vertically about .050 and then horizontally to meet the vertical hole. lastly this applies to all corrosion treatment of tubes. I clean the inside with an acetone rinse then spray primer in the end. on the other end is an operating shop vacuum. the primer is quickly distributed down the pipe. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:22 AM PST US From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Assembly Workshop --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" Just as a shameless self promotion... We teach a building class too. The last six months the schedule has been a little unpredictable but we have one going on yesterday and today. The next should be near the end of May, then one June 16th & 17th the days before Boone's annual RV Day Fly-In. We focus on teaching excellent quality of work, and what to look for when using tools. We have a high instructor to student ratio (usually 1:2) and are taught now by full time RV builders with multiple awards on their shelves. The class is located in a hangar with 8 RV's under construction (2 -10's). Everyone taking our classes have expressed that it was well worth the investment (including those that have taken other classes). Cost is $325 and if you bring your spouse, or building partner they are half price. I agree that this is a great way to motivate them. Please email me with any questions. Mike(at sign)CleavelandTool.com > > As a prospective RV-10 builder, I have a question of this group: Have > any of you taken the EAA Sportair Workshop on RV Assembly, and if so, > how helpful was it? I've built an airplane before, but have not done a > lot of sheetmetal work, and my wife has only bucked a handful of rivets. > I can teach her, but wondered if this group recommends the workshops or > to just dive in and get started. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:07 AM PST US From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: flap system install In a message dated 4/21/06 10:19:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, johnwcox@pacificnw.com writes: That phrase =E2=80=9C I didn=E2=80=99t know it would do that=E2=80=A6. Or Here, hold my beer and watch this=E2=80=9D come to mind. LOL...LOL...the problem with MythBusters is that they don't often actually replicate all conditions only the elements they find interesting and that they can easily do with their budget and facilities near by...it's entertainment not science. Patrick do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:21 AM PST US From: Tom Gesele Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Injection Choices --> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele Listers, Can someone with more experience/knowledge of the available fuel injection systems available help shed some light on the relative merits of the Precision SilverHawk -vs- the Airflow Performance Injection systems for the IO-540 engine? Any opinions/thoughts on choosing one over the other will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tom Gesele #473 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:44 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Kit 14 For Sale From: "Conti, Rick" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" I'm about to post my kit for sale on ASO next week. If anyone is interested, or knows someone, please contact me directly at my email address. DO NOT ARCHIVE Thank You Rick Conti Senior Engineering Manager The Boeing Company office: 703 - 414 - 6141 blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:05 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Twenty Nine Palms From: "Randy DeBauw" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" I am back now John but we can go together. I'll let you know. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Twenty Nine Palms --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" If I reimburse you for some of the gas, can we get high altitude performance numbers on both the Mountain High and VANS Engine Service Ceiling estimate for your engine? The headwinds don't look too bad. Gentle Breezes and Soft Landings John Cox - $00.02 Do not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Twenty Nine Palms --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" We had a nice flight down. It was a little bumpy all of the way down. We flew at 13,500 to Yerington for fuel and then at 11,500 into Bullhead City for the night. We landed after dark. That MX20 terrain feature was just the ticket with all of the mountains around that field. Short 50 min flight to TNP the next day. Leaving tomorrow am and flying on the west side of the mountains this time. I have written down all of my performance numbers and will post them when I get back. Randy ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:26 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cowl fasteners From: "Randy DeBauw" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" I would not change from that factory setup. It has been flawless, easy to install and remove. Randy -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:27 AM Subject: RV10-List: Cowl fasteners --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Where are people coming down on the decision of sticking with Van's cowl "hinge" design, or going with Cam-lok type cowl fasteners? Of the flying folks, anyone like to comment on the ease of use of the hinge fastener design? Thanks, TDT 40025 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:47 AM PST US From: Ostategrad@cs.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Kit 14 For Sale --> RV10-List message posted by: Ostategrad@cs.com A partner and I are interested in learning your asking price and if any construction has taken place could you include pics. We are considering a kit purchase in December, but if opportunity knocks we are prepared to act. If including pics, then please respond to tpierce@mcritx.com. Otherwise use this address ostategrad@cs.com (text only). Respectfully, Tim Pierce "Conti, Rick" wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" > >I'm about to post my kit for sale on ASO next week. If anyone is >interested, or knows someone, please contact me directly at my email >address. > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > >Thank You >Rick Conti >Senior Engineering Manager >The Boeing Company > office: 703 - 414 - 6141 >blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:07 AM PST US From: Sam Marlow Subject: Re: RV10-List: Kit 14 For Sale I may know someone who's interested. Can you give details? Conti, Rick wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" > >I'm about to post my kit for sale on ASO next week. If anyone is >interested, or knows someone, please contact me directly at my email >address. > >DO NOT ARCHIVE > >Thank You >Rick Conti >Senior Engineering Manager >The Boeing Company > office: 703 - 414 - 6141 >blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:30 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: empty weight From: "Randy DeBauw" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" ROB, mine came in at 1592 without wheel pants. 1626 with. Randy N610RV -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: RV10-List: empty weight --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" Hello everyone. Just weight my plane, empty, no paint. 1558 pounds. I wonder how it compares with the guys taht are flying. Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:08 AM PST US From: "John Jessen" Subject: RV10-List: New web site address --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" Ok, for what it's worth, I just figured out this web site forwarding thing, and I'm real excited by my technical acumen! New website address is now: www.jessen-rv10.com If it takes me this long to figure this out, my panel will be finished in the year 2020. Also, am putting some final touches on the ever expanding list of builders, so remember to send me your info. John Jessen ~328 (Just one more thing to do when you can't build......! ) do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:04 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: New web site address From: "Phillips, Jack" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Phillips, Jack" Wow! Great website John. One that I expect to come back to over and over. Jack Phillips -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: RV10-List: New web site address --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" Ok, for what it's worth, I just figured out this web site forwarding thing, and I'm real excited by my technical acumen! New website address is now: www.jessen-rv10.com If it takes me this long to figure this out, my panel will be finished in the year 2020. Also, am putting some final touches on the ever expanding list of builders, so remember to send me your info. John Jessen ~328 (Just one more thing to do when you can't build......! ) do not archive Working together. For life.(sm) This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:20 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: crotch strap bracket From: "Chris Johnston" hey all - am i right in thinking that if i'm using only a 3 or 4 point harness that i don't need the crotch strap bracket installed? does it do anything else? i think i remember that some were omitting it or removing it in the case of quickbuilds. it doesn't do some other important task like hold the plane up in the air does it? :) cj #40410 fuse!!! www.perfectlygoodairplane.net ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:09 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: crotch strap bracket From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" You can attach a leash to it to secure your iPod from flying about the cabin . . . : ) TDT 40025 Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:57 PM Subject: RV10-List: crotch strap bracket hey all - am i right in thinking that if i'm using only a 3 or 4 point harness that i don't need the crotch strap bracket installed? does it do anything else? i think i remember that some were omitting it or removing it in the case of quickbuilds. it doesn't do some other important task like hold the plane up in the air does it? :) cj #40410 fuse!!! www.perfectlygoodairplane.net ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:59 PM PST US From: "Mark Drury" Subject: RV10-List: Attn Australians - tail kit and tools for sale Unfortunately I need to sell my completed tail kit and tools. I'll part with the lot for $AU4500. The buyer will need to pay for freight costs and I'd say this will be expensive because of the volume of the completed parts (probably about $2000). Considering that with our dollar v's the US dollar you will pay about $10000 for kit, tools, transport from the States, GST and you will have a completed kit, this is good value for money. I have detailed pictures and a builders log and, if I do say so myself, the build quality is really good. My only reason for selling is that in the past three days I had an investment go belly up and have lost every cent I have. Please send me an email if interested. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:21 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: RV10-List: Overhead Console - Update --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen I spoke with Tony Sustare about the overhead console I ordered at Sun-N-Fun and they are finalizing the fit on Ed Hayden's plane and the overheads should be ready to ship in a few weeks. I anticipate that I will get mine mid May. They are also working on the interior window closeout rings to clean up interior boarder between the canopy liner and the windows. They are extending the Sun-N-Fun pricing. $994 (regular $1,295) for the overhead canopy straight from the mold and primed $1,995 (regular $2,295) for the overhead canopy with cockpit lights, eyeball vents and DVD player the components are not installed $2,195 (regular $2,495) canopy with the components above installed. Photos I took at SnF are on my website along with contact information. Larry Rosen I am not associated with Tony or Accuracy Avionics. I am purchasing one of their overhead consoles. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:13:54 PM PST US From: "Rob Kermanj" Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" Thanks Randy. Vans Site says 1500 empty. It was puzzeling since the weight on the 10 should be very close as avionics is almost the only variable. I started doubting the scale. Do not archive. On 4/21/06, Randy DeBauw wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > > ROB, mine came in at 1592 without wheel pants. 1626 with. Randy N610RV > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:02 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: empty weight > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" > > Hello everyone. Just weight my plane, empty, no paint. 1558 pounds. > I wonder how it compares with the guys taht are flying. > > Do not archive. > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:20 PM PST US From: "Paul Walter" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attn Australians - tail kit and tools for sale Hi mark, Where are you in Australia ? Paul Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Drury To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:36 AM Subject: RV10-List: Attn Australians - tail kit and tools for sale Unfortunately I need to sell my completed tail kit and tools. I'll part with the lot for $AU4500. The buyer will need to pay for freight costs and I'd say this will be expensive because of the volume of the completed parts (probably about $2000). Considering that with our dollar v's the US dollar you will pay about $10000 for kit, tools, transport from the States, GST and you will have a completed kit, this is good value for money. I have detailed pictures and a builders log and, if I do say so myself, the build quality is really good. My only reason for selling is that in the past three days I had an investment go belly up and have lost every cent I have. Please send me an email if interested. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:58 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead Console - Update From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Man I need to go into manufacturing fiberglass parts. ;-) Michael Sausen RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: RV10-List: Overhead Console - Update --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen I spoke with Tony Sustare about the overhead console I ordered at Sun-N-Fun and they are finalizing the fit on Ed Hayden's plane and the overheads should be ready to ship in a few weeks. I anticipate that I will get mine mid May. They are also working on the interior window closeout rings to clean up interior boarder between the canopy liner and the windows. They are extending the Sun-N-Fun pricing. $994 (regular $1,295) for the overhead canopy straight from the mold and primed $1,995 (regular $2,295) for the overhead canopy with cockpit lights, eyeball vents and DVD player the components are not installed $2,195 (regular $2,495) canopy with the components above installed. Photos I took at SnF are on my website along with contact information. Larry Rosen I am not associated with Tony or Accuracy Avionics. I am purchasing one of their overhead consoles. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:45 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen Tim 1,685 Randy 1,625 Vic 1,665 Chuck 1,615 Rob 1,558 Chuck and Vic weight from Rob, looks like you have the light weight machine. Which prop? With or without wheel pants? Larry Rosen http://lrosen.nerv10.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:45 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: RV10-List: Your bucking bar input please. I'm trying to finish off Sec 29 (fuse skins, !@#$$#@ %$!!!!!!! you know the one!) There are several rivets at the right angle juncture of the F -1041 fwd bottom longerons and the F1042 upright bulkhead. This is where a little triangular doubler goes to tie the pieces together (presumably) additionally there is a nutplate that gets fastened to the triangle and the whole joint. None of the bucking bars (or other shop paraphenalia that I have) will fit the limited access to use as bucking bars, what soulutions did some of you come up with? Deems Davis # 406 Fuse http://deemsrv10.com/ Sorry for the poor quality of the picture ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:20 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: empty weight From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Batteries can make a difference . . . . TDT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Rob Kermanj Sent: Fri 4/21/2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" Thanks Randy. Vans Site says 1500 empty. It was puzzeling since the weight on the 10 should be very close as avionics is almost the only variable. I started doubting the scale. Do not archive. On 4/21/06, Randy DeBauw wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" > > ROB, mine came in at 1592 without wheel pants. 1626 with. Randy N610RV > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:02 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: empty weight > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" > > Hello everyone. Just weight my plane, empty, no paint. 1558 pounds. > I wonder how it compares with the guys taht are flying. > > Do not archive. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:23 PM PST US From: "Rob Kermanj" Subject: Re: RV10-List: empty weight --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" I have the Hartzell prop. Two GRTs, SL30, SL40 along with a TXP and an audio panel. The wieght included everything except the paint and the radios. It included the GRTs. I have a Sears wheelchair battery (included in the weight also). This is not a fiberglass plane where there is the possibilty of large variations between plane weights. I weight the plane with (I believe) a very accurate racing car scales. Perhaps the discrepency is in our scales. I had plans for the first flight tommorow. It is postponed to Sunday. Do not archive. On 4/21/06, Larry Rosen wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen > > Tim 1,685 > Randy 1,625 > Vic 1,665 > Chuck 1,615 > Rob 1,558 > > Chuck and Vic weight from > > Rob, looks like you have the light weight machine. Which prop? With or > without wheel pants? > > Larry Rosen > http://lrosen.nerv10.com > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:27 PM PST US From: Dan Masys Subject: Re: RV10-List: panel --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys > FWIW, I'm also going to wire my own panel, and likely even > do all the cutouts myself as well. No great mystery, just > time and learning as with the rest of the project... :-) I cut the panel for my -7A and wired all of the avionics from schematics downloaded from the web. Result is at: http://array.ucsd.edu/rv7a/panel.html and http://array.ucsd.edu/rv7a/2003-02-16_panel2.jpg Took about 200 hours to do all of the design, cutting, wiring and painting, but it was one of the really fun parts of the project. Plan to do the same for the -10. -Dan Masys #40448 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:57 PM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Kit 14 For Sale --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Testement" Rick. Park and I may be interested. We are in Richmond and could pick it up. Please send details to jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com. John Testement/Park Dodd -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Kit 14 For Sale --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" I'm about to post my kit for sale on ASO next week. If anyone is interested, or knows someone, please contact me directly at my email address. DO NOT ARCHIVE Thank You Rick Conti Senior Engineering Manager The Boeing Company office: 703 - 414 - 6141 blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 -- --