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1. 02:19 AM - Re: GPS Antenna location (Russell Daves)
2. 04:17 AM - Re: GPS Antenna location (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 04:17 AM - Re: GPS Antenna location (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 04:49 AM - Re: GPS Antenna location (Tim Olson)
5. 05:33 AM - Re: GPS Antenna location (Jerry Grimmonpre)
6. 07:00 AM - Re: tunnel heat (Jesse Saint)
7. 07:01 AM - Re: RV10 Flys (Wayne Edgerton)
8. 07:08 AM - My 2 Cents on the Landing Gear (Conti, Rick)
9. 07:31 AM - Re: My 2 Cents on the Landing Gear (Rob Kermanj)
10. 07:33 AM - Re: RV10 Flys (Rob Kermanj)
11. 07:46 AM - Re: My 2 Cents on the Landing Gear (Conti, Rick)
12. 07:52 AM - Re: GPS Antenna location (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 08:07 AM - Re: RV10 Flys (Tim Olson)
14. 08:34 AM - Re: RV10 Flys (Rob Kermanj)
15. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: GPS Antenna location ()
16. 10:04 AM - Re: GPS Antenna location (Werner Schneider)
17. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: GPS Antenna location (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
18. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Weight in the front (seanblair@adelphia.net)
19. 11:54 AM - Re: Weight in the front (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
20. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: Weight in the front (Jesse Saint)
21. 12:29 PM - Model - I can't resist this (Jesse Saint)
22. 12:38 PM - Partain Quick Build Delivery (Bill Reining)
23. 12:41 PM - Re: Weight in the front (Tim Olson)
24. 12:43 PM - Re: Your bucking bar input please. (Nikolaos Napoli)
25. 12:53 PM - Re: Weight in the front (Ralph E. Capen)
26. 01:11 PM - Re: Model - I can't resist this (Tim Olson)
27. 01:25 PM - New fuel valve handle (Mike Lauritsen - Work)
28. 02:00 PM - Re: Weight in the front (Marcus Cooper)
29. 04:24 PM - Extra fuel tanks ()
30. 04:50 PM - Re: GPS Antenna location (Dan Masys)
31. 05:41 PM - Re: Thoughts (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
32. 06:18 PM - Re: Extra fuel tanks (LessDragProd@aol.com)
33. 06:18 PM - Re: Extra fuel tanks (John Lenhardt)
34. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Weight in the front (jerry petersen)
35. 06:46 PM - Re: GPS Antenna location (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com)
36. 07:42 PM - Re: Partain Quick Build Delivery (Robert G. Wright)
37. 09:44 PM - Re: Weight in the front (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
38. 09:44 PM - Re: Re: Weight in the front (Jesse Saint)
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
I cut out two openings in the upper forward fuse skin. One on the left and
one on the right side of the center line. I then took some left over
fiberglass from cutting out the door windows and riveted it underneath the
skin holes and fiberglassed over the holes to create two openings of
fiberglass. Next, I installed a tray underneath each fiberglassed cut out
to mount the GPS antennas.
They look up directly through the fiberglass cutouts just as they would if
underneath the cowl or on top of the canopy. I hope to fly in the next
month so I will keep you posted on performance.
Russ Daves
#40044
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:32 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: GPS Antenna location
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> Is there any really good reason that it couldn't go on the upper forward
> fuse skin right in front of the windshield and aft of the firewall? That
> would not obstruct the pilot's view, and the cable would only need to be
> about 18 inches or so. N256H has it on the glareshield inside the cabin
> (avoids any problems with water getting in through a bad seal), and it
> works
> great. Would it look terrible in front of the windshield?
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> 352-465-4545
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| Subject: | GPS Antenna location |
The reality is that GPS signals are basically immune to any type of
fiberglass or plastic as long as it isn't covered with a metallic paint
or anything else electrically conductive. Carbon fiber and metal will
block most of the frequencies we deal with. Sure you will get some tiny
amount of degradation from mounting it under glass but nothing worth
mentioning usually. Lot's of people have made a little shelf just
forward of the firewall to mount it on under the cowl and probably just
as many have mounted it under their canopy. Both are as good of spots
as mounting it on the exterior. If you do decide to mount on the
exterior the drag will not amount to much, probably less than a knot
depending on where you put it. It's more of a "clean look" type of
decision. But if you are worried about it and on the fence, just mount
it on the exterior as you can't go wrong.
As far as the engine cooking the antenna, most GPS (and XM/Sirius)
antennas are amplified so there are some electronics in the antenna
head. As with any other piece of electronic gear performance can suffer
if it becomes too hot, just make sure it isn't mounted next to anything
that radiates a bunch of heat like the exhaust headers.
Lastly GPS, and most satellite antennas we consumers deal with for
that matter, are circularly polarized and do not require ground planes.
Hope that helps. I'm not an expert but I slept at a Holiday Inn
Express last night.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Recent RV-10 Build Activity
<http://www.mykitlog.com/display_project.php?project_id=3D22>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS Antenna location
I'm just throwing this out because no one else has mentioned it - I'm
putting my GPS antennas on the glareshield. The antennas will certainly
have a great view of the sky up through the plexi-glass, the install is
easy and there is no concern about engine heat cooking them.
Jim McGrew
40134
In a message dated 4/25/2006 6:12:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
coop85@bellsouth.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
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is the
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| Subject: | GPS Antenna location |
My 'puter has a coffee cup holder when I press a button on the front,
bet that there could work in da airplane. :-D
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:38 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: GPS Antenna location
Where do you put your coffee cup, then? : )
TDT
40025, firewall forward
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Tue 4/25/2006 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS Antenna location
I'm just throwing this out because no one else has mentioned it - I'm
putting my GPS antennas on the glareshield. The antennas will certainly
have a great view of the sky up through the plexi-glass, the install is
easy and there is no concern about engine heat cooking them.
Jim McGrew
40134
In a message dated 4/25/2006 6:12:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
coop85@bellsouth.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper"
--> <coop85@bellsouth.net>
I know this has been addressed before, but I was wondering if any of
you that opted to put the GPS antenna under the cowling have any
feedback, good or bad, on the idea? I suspect reception is okay, my
biggest concern is the heat in that area affecting the not so cheap
antenna.
Thanks,
Marcus
Do not archive
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
jsmcgrew@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
One thing that turns me off about mounting it under a panel
somewhere (less of an issues perhaps than mounting it under
the cabin top, is that it could be harder to get a total
clear view of the sky in all directions. Imagine yourself
digging a 6' deep square hole in your yard, 8' x 8' wide.
Sure, you'll see some satellites, because a few of them are
high above the horizon. Will you see those that are low
on the horizon....well, at a certain point, no.
I'm not saying that it's crazy to mount the antenna elsewhere.
Certainly under the cowl will be better than under the
aluminum of the forward fuselage from the above scenario.
Everyone has their choice. The part that I find hard to
swallow when I think about doing this myself is that I
for the life of me can't figure out why anyone would
accept even the slightest degradation from mounting
location in a system that's designed to keep them locked
into a system that supposedly is to help them stay alive
by navigating to the runway through a cloud. If it
was a VFR install, I'd have much less concern.
Is "pretty good", or "fairly well", or "most of the time"
reliable enough for you?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> The reality is that GPS signals are basically immune to any type of
> fiberglass or plastic as long as it isn't covered with a metallic paint
> or anything else electrically conductive. Carbon fiber and metal will
> block most of the frequencies we deal with. Sure you will get some tiny
> amount of degradation from mounting it under glass but nothing worth
> mentioning usually. Lot's of people have made a little shelf just
> forward of the firewall to mount it on under the cowl and probably just
> as many have mounted it under their canopy. Both are as good of spots
> as mounting it on the exterior. If you do decide to mount on the
> exterior the drag will not amount to much, probably less than a knot
> depending on where you put it. It's more of a "clean look" type of
> decision. But if you are worried about it and on the fence, just mount
> it on the exterior as you can't go wrong.
>
> As far as the engine cooking the antenna, most GPS (and
> XM/Sirius) antennas are amplified so there are some electronics in the
> antenna head. As with any other piece of electronic gear performance
> can suffer if it becomes too hot, just make sure it isn't mounted next
> to anything that radiates a bunch of heat like the exhaust headers.
>
> Lastly GPS, and most satellite antennas we consumers deal with for
> that matter, are circularly polarized and do not require ground planes.
>
>
> Hope that helps. I'm not an expert but I slept at a Holiday Inn
> Express last night.
>
>
>
> Michael Sausen
>
> RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
>
> Recent RV-10 Build Activity
> <http://www.mykitlog.com/display_project.php?project_id=22>
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:35 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: GPS Antenna location
>
> I'm just throwing this out because no one else has mentioned it - I'm
> putting my GPS antennas on the glareshield. The antennas will certainly
> have a great view of the sky up through the plexi-glass, the install is
> easy and there is no concern about engine heat cooking them.
>
> Jim McGrew
> 40134
>
> In a message dated 4/25/2006 6:12:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> coop85@bellsouth.net writes:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> I know this has been addressed before, but I was wondering if any of you
> that opted to put the GPS antenna under the cowling have any
> feedback, good
> or bad, on the idea? I suspect reception is okay, my biggest
> concern is the
> heat in that area affecting the not so cheap antenna.
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna location |
Gents ...
Check out Dan Checkoway's site on how he created removable glass panels
between windshield and cowling area.
http://www.rvproject.com/hidden_antennas.html
Refer your questions to Dan ... dan@rvproject.com ...
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A Electrical
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N256H #40241 has the dual muffler and I assume 40415 will as well, but
we
don=92t have it yet.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: tunnel heat
Are you speaking of your current #40415 project or your father=92s
#40241
(N256H) or both when you say =93We Have=94? Randy=92s thought that both
#241 and
his #006 had the earlier cross muffler design was a logical answer to
less
of a problem comparison with either the valve design or scat ductwork.
Rather new twin muffler design.
John - $00.02
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: tunnel heat
We have the dual muffler setup.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: tunnel heat
Jesse, I am just fishing here. What exhaust system do you have? I have
the
AWI system with one muffler running crosswise under the engine and do
not
have a heating issue. Randy
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Congratulations Rob, I can see your RV grin in your e-mail. It must be
great to be near the end of the building journey.
It would be great if you could post any info you find during your fly
off time, such as performance.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
do not archive
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| Subject: | My 2 Cents on the Landing Gear |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
Whenever I start a new "kit", I review the instructions several times,
once to ensure I have the necessary tools and parts. The .311" drill
bit appeared to be a problem. I called Van's and received an
interesting answer: I was told a 5/16 bit would be okay. I haven't
installed the gear yet and after reading about loose landing gear I had
second thoughts. I received my .311" reamer from McMaster-Carr (thanks
for the info) yesterday. But is has occurred to me, that 5/16" would be
fine provided the bolt matched. Drilling with a 5/16" bit though the
leg and support would not cause a problem. The problem would be from an
undersized bolt. Would everyone agree 5/16" would be okay with a proper
(precise fit) bolt?
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
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| Subject: | Re: My 2 Cents on the Landing Gear |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
I used the same reamer as you have purchased. I found it easier to
insert the reamer from the button, chuck it and pull it through the
hole. If you decide to do this, you may need to grind the blade
shoulders at the reamer stem side to be able to pull up through.
On 4/26/06, Conti, Rick <rick.conti@boeing.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
>
> Whenever I start a new "kit", I review the instructions several times,
> once to ensure I have the necessary tools and parts. The .311" drill
> bit appeared to be a problem. I called Van's and received an
> interesting answer: I was told a 5/16 bit would be okay. I haven't
> installed the gear yet and after reading about loose landing gear I had
> second thoughts. I received my .311" reamer from McMaster-Carr (thanks
> for the info) yesterday. But is has occurred to me, that 5/16" would be
> fine provided the bolt matched. Drilling with a 5/16" bit though the
> leg and support would not cause a problem. The problem would be from an
> undersized bolt. Would everyone agree 5/16" would be okay with a proper
> (precise fit) bolt?
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> Senior Engineering Manager
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 414 - 6141
> blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Thank you. I have so far been concentrating on breaking-in the
engine. The two numbers I have are 57 KTS (netural flaps) for buffet
and I use 80 KTS for approch.
I do not have the fairings on. As soon as I do, I will do an speed
calibration and post some numbers.
On 4/26/06, Wayne Edgerton <weeav8ter@grandecom.net> wrote:
>
> Congratulations Rob, I can see your RV grin in your e-mail. It must be great
> to be near the end of the building journey.
>
> It would be great if you could post any info you find during your fly off
> time, such as performance.
>
> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | My 2 Cents on the Landing Gear |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
Thanks for the advice.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Kermanj [mailto:flysrv10@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: My 2 Cents on the Landing Gear
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
I used the same reamer as you have purchased. I found it easier to
insert the reamer from the button, chuck it and pull it through the
hole. If you decide to do this, you may need to grind the blade
shoulders at the reamer stem side to be able to pull up through.
On 4/26/06, Conti, Rick <rick.conti@boeing.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
>
> Whenever I start a new "kit", I review the instructions several times,
> once to ensure I have the necessary tools and parts. The .311" drill
> bit appeared to be a problem. I called Van's and received an
> interesting answer: I was told a 5/16 bit would be okay. I haven't
> installed the gear yet and after reading about loose landing gear I
had
> second thoughts. I received my .311" reamer from McMaster-Carr
(thanks
> for the info) yesterday. But is has occurred to me, that 5/16" would
be
> fine provided the bolt matched. Drilling with a 5/16" bit though the
> leg and support would not cause a problem. The problem would be from
an
> undersized bolt. Would everyone agree 5/16" would be okay with a
proper
> (precise fit) bolt?
>
> Thank You
> Rick Conti
> Senior Engineering Manager
> The Boeing Company
> office: 703 - 414 - 6141
> blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
>
>
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| Subject: | GPS Antenna location |
One trick to determine your field of view is to tape a long piece of
string to the center of the antenna and hold it a various angles. If at
any point one of those angles intersect something that blocks that view
of the sky you have your answer on if it's a good spot. Short of
mounting the antenna at the absolute highest point of your airframe, you
will have some of the sky view blocked. In most cases it's almost
nothing but in some locations it can be substantial.
Another thing to remember is those big sacs of water in the cabin (us)
do a much better job at blocking many types of signals than the
fiberglass or plastic. Keep that in mind as you decide where to put
your antennas. In the same respect traveling below or around massive
buildups (not someplace I would want to be anyway) would be much more
effective at blocking your GPS than the fiberglass cabin lid. Either
way if you are getting any amount of regular RAIM messages with modern
GPS receivers you have a major installation problem in either the
equipment or location. You can effectively block half of the sky view
and you should still maintain a positive 3D lock almost the entire time
with the possible exception of when sats are setting or rising over the
horizon.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS Antenna location
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
One thing that turns me off about mounting it under a panel somewhere
(less of an issues perhaps than mounting it under the cabin top, is that
it could be harder to get a total
clear view of the sky in all directions. Imagine yourself
digging a 6' deep square hole in your yard, 8' x 8' wide.
Sure, you'll see some satellites, because a few of them are
high above the horizon. Will you see those that are low
on the horizon....well, at a certain point, no.
I'm not saying that it's crazy to mount the antenna elsewhere.
Certainly under the cowl will be better than under the aluminum of the
forward fuselage from the above scenario.
Everyone has their choice. The part that I find hard to swallow when I
think about doing this myself is that I for the life of me can't figure
out why anyone would accept even the slightest degradation from mounting
location in a system that's designed to keep them locked into a system
that supposedly is to help them stay alive
by navigating to the runway through a cloud. If it
was a VFR install, I'd have much less concern.
Is "pretty good", or "fairly well", or "most of the time"
reliable enough for you?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> The reality is that GPS signals are basically immune to any type of
> fiberglass or plastic as long as it isn't covered with a metallic
> paint or anything else electrically conductive. Carbon fiber and
> metal will block most of the frequencies we deal with. Sure you will
> get some tiny amount of degradation from mounting it under glass but
> nothing worth mentioning usually. Lot's of people have made a little
> shelf just forward of the firewall to mount it on under the cowl and
> probably just as many have mounted it under their canopy. Both are as
> good of spots as mounting it on the exterior. If you do decide to
> mount on the exterior the drag will not amount to much, probably less
> than a knot depending on where you put it. It's more of a "clean
> look" type of decision. But if you are worried about it and on the
> fence, just mount it on the exterior as you can't go wrong.
>
> As far as the engine cooking the antenna, most GPS (and
> XM/Sirius) antennas are amplified so there are some electronics in the
> antenna head. As with any other piece of electronic gear performance
> can suffer if it becomes too hot, just make sure it isn't mounted next
> to anything that radiates a bunch of heat like the exhaust headers.
>
> Lastly GPS, and most satellite antennas we consumers deal with for
> that matter, are circularly polarized and do not require ground
planes.
>
>
> Hope that helps. I'm not an expert but I slept at a Holiday Inn
> Express last night.
>
>
> Michael Sausen
>
> RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
>
> Recent RV-10 Build Activity
> <http://www.mykitlog.com/display_project.php?project_id=3D22>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *JSMcGrew@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:35 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: GPS Antenna location
>
> I'm just throwing this out because no one else has mentioned it - I'm
> putting my GPS antennas on the glareshield. The antennas will
> certainly have a great view of the sky up through the plexi-glass, the
> install is easy and there is no concern about engine heat cooking
them.
>
> Jim McGrew
> 40134
>
> In a message dated 4/25/2006 6:12:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> coop85@bellsouth.net writes:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper"
> <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> I know this has been addressed before, but I was wondering if any
of you
> that opted to put the GPS antenna under the cowling have any
> feedback, good
> or bad, on the idea? I suspect reception is okay, my biggest
> concern is the
> heat in that area affecting the not so cheap antenna.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
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Rob,
80Kts is a bit fast. 80mph would be closer. After you get
comfortable with some approach speeds, try 70-75kts. I find
it is easier in that range with less float. I try for
70kts on smooth days, and keep 75 on real bumpy ones.
<70 and it starts coming down faster and harder if you don't
hold good speed.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
>
> Thank you. I have so far been concentrating on breaking-in the
> engine. The two numbers I have are 57 KTS (netural flaps) for buffet
> and I use 80 KTS for approch.
>
> I do not have the fairings on. As soon as I do, I will do an speed
> calibration and post some numbers.
>
> On 4/26/06, Wayne Edgerton <weeav8ter@grandecom.net> wrote:
>> Congratulations Rob, I can see your RV grin in your e-mail. It must be great
>> to be near the end of the building journey.
>>
>> It would be great if you could post any info you find during your fly off
>> time, such as performance.
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>> Wayne Edgerton #40336
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Thanks. I will try it today. I need all the help I can get
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Rob,
>
> 80Kts is a bit fast. 80mph would be closer. After you get
> comfortable with some approach speeds, try 70-75kts. I find
> it is easier in that range with less float. I try for
> 70kts on smooth days, and keep 75 on real bumpy ones.
> <70 and it starts coming down faster and harder if you don't
> hold good speed.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> Rob Kermanj wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
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> > Thank you. I have so far been concentrating on breaking-in the
> > engine. The two numbers I have are 57 KTS (netural flaps) for buffet
> > and I use 80 KTS for approch.
> >
> > I do not have the fairings on. As soon as I do, I will do an speed
> > calibration and post some numbers.
> >
> > On 4/26/06, Wayne Edgerton <weeav8ter@grandecom.net> wrote:
> >> Congratulations Rob, I can see your RV grin in your e-mail. It must be great
> >> to be near the end of the building journey.
> >>
> >> It would be great if you could post any info you find during your fly off
> >> time, such as performance.
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gorejr@bellsouth.net>
That was slick. I thought the XM and GPS receivers could not be enclosed in metal.
Thought they had to have a clear view of the sky. Thanks
Jim Gore RV-10
Georgia
>
> From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
> Date: 2006/04/26 Wed AM 08:30:37 EDT
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS Antenna location
>
> Gents ...
> Check out Dan Checkoway's site on how he created removable glass panels between
windshield and cowling area.
>
> http://www.rvproject.com/hidden_antennas.html
>
> Refer your questions to Dan ... dan@rvproject.com ...
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> Jerry Grimmonpre'
> RV8A Electrical
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
My Garmin 196 with Antenna under the windshield had no issue in the
south of NSW, Victoria and South Australia.
Werner
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McGANN, Ron wrote:
> I have checked the -10 archive and there is some confusing info there.
>
> Both the Garmin and Comant antennas '. . . must be mounted on top of
> the aircraft . . . '[Comant ref and GNS430 Installation manual]. The
> Comant manual explicitly states a ground plane is NOT required. The
> GNS 430 does not say that a ground plane is required. The Comant
> reference http://www.comant.com/htmls/guide2.html even counsels
> against painting the antenna.
>
> Why wouldn't the best place for a GPS antenna be on top of the cabin
> cover (just aft of the windshield)? The antenna cable could be fed
> down through the WD-1043 Centre Cabin Brace (which could also serve as
> a local ground point).
>
> I have heard (rumour only) that GPS satellite coverage is not the best
> in the southern parts of Australia. Mounting the antenna under the
> cowl with airframe obscuration behind may further compromise
> performance. Mounting the antenna with the best view of the sky is
> the least risk option for me.
>
> cheers,
> Ron
> 187 fuse
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 April 2006 9:39 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: GPS Antenna location
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
>
> I know this has been addressed before, but I was wondering if any of you
> that opted to put the GPS antenna under the cowling have any feedback,
> good
> or bad, on the idea? I suspect reception is okay, my biggest concern
> is the
> heat in that area affecting the not so cheap antenna.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna location |
They actually aren't. The top cover is fiberglass so their sky view is
unimpeded for the most part.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gorejr@bellsouth.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Re: RV10-List: GPS Antenna location
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gorejr@bellsouth.net>
That was slick. I thought the XM and GPS receivers could not be
enclosed in metal. Thought they had to have a clear view of the sky.
Thanks Jim Gore RV-10 Georgia
>
> From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
> Date: 2006/04/26 Wed AM 08:30:37 EDT
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: GPS Antenna location
>
> Gents ...
> Check out Dan Checkoway's site on how he created removable glass
panels between windshield and cowling area.
>
> http://www.rvproject.com/hidden_antennas.html
>
> Refer your questions to Dan ... dan@rvproject.com ...
>
> Jerry Grimmonpre'
> RV8A Electrical
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--> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
I'm getting in the neighborhood of joining the fuselage to the tailcone and would
like to put the plane on its gear. Does anyone have any creative ideas for
placing weight on the engine mount until I get my engine bolted on? It will be
awhile before I get to the engine, so I need a fairly long-term solution.
I'm not a big fan of bracing the tail of the plane as a primary plan, only if needed.
It seems with any movement, a tail brace could slip and/or cause damage.
Lead shot bags? Any other ideas? About how much weight would be good to place
replicating the engine and enough that I don't cause it to nose up getting in
and out? Considerations also for working in the backseat area too.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Sean
#40225
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| Subject: | Re: Weight in the front |
I put a saw horse underneath one of the frames/bulkheads in the tailcone. I
had foam padding on top of the saw horse to spread the load out a bit. Even
with the engine in place, I keep it there when I am crawling in the tailcone.
Keep it simple...
Jim
40134
In a message dated 4/26/2006 12:22:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
seanblair@adelphia.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
I'm getting in the neighborhood of joining the fuselage to the tailcone and
would like to put the plane on its gear. Does anyone have any creative ideas
for placing weight on the engine mount until I get my engine bolted on? It
will be awhile before I get to the engine, so I need a fairly long-term
solution.
I'm not a big fan of bracing the tail of the plane as a primary plan, only
if needed. It seems with any movement, a tail brace could slip and/or cause
damage.
Lead shot bags? Any other ideas? About how much weight would be good to
place replicating the engine and enough that I don't cause it to nose up
getting in and out? Considerations also for working in the backseat area too.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Sean
#40225
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jsmcgrew@aol.com
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We took one of the boxes, I think from the wing kit, and put legs on it at
different lengths so they support the tail at a normal angle the entire
length. That works really really well to hold the tail and support the
fuse. We have the main gear legs on, without wheels, and have those
strapped onto wooden blocks and sitting on the floor. That makes it really
nice to work on without having it want to roll around on you.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
seanblair@adelphia.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: Re: RV10-List: Weight in the front
--> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
I'm getting in the neighborhood of joining the fuselage to the tailcone and
would like to put the plane on its gear. Does anyone have any creative ideas
for placing weight on the engine mount until I get my engine bolted on? It
will be awhile before I get to the engine, so I need a fairly long-term
solution.
I'm not a big fan of bracing the tail of the plane as a primary plan, only
if needed. It seems with any movement, a tail brace could slip and/or cause
damage.
Lead shot bags? Any other ideas? About how much weight would be good to
place replicating the engine and enough that I don't cause it to nose up
getting in and out? Considerations also for working in the backseat area
too.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Sean
#40225
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| Subject: | Model - I can't resist this |
Here=92s 40415, just a little undersized so far.
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Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
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| Subject: | Partain Quick Build Delivery |
My son and I received our Quick Build fuselage and wings yesterday, at my
home here in Walnut Creek, California, via Partain Transport and laptop GPS.
All I can say is "super service". Be prepared - it arrived several hours
sooner than anticipated. The trailer is 70 feet long (he had two RV-10 QB's
and one RV-7 QB on board) - so don't expect him to back into your
residential driveway. Make sure to have a couple of healthy helpers on hand
- especially to lift the fuselage off of the transport stand onto your
stand. The fuselage transport stand has rollers, and does in fact roll
right down the driveway. The wings are carried in the trailer mounted via
straps to the side wall, so you and your helper will need to lift them while
the driver unstraps them and removes the pads. You and your helper then
carry them off the trailer onto your wing stand. Bruce was very helpful -
it was comforting to see his "Sun and Fun - 2006" tee shirt and know that he
was a fellow aviation enthusiast (and helicopter pilot). But don't count on
Bruce staying around too long - he is under DOT regulations as a truck
driver and has to keep moving, lest he run out of duty time. Everything
arrived in perfect order, well padded and protected. It was $1580 well
spent - highly recommended.
Bill & Jon Reining
#40514 - elevators
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
To temporarily move it around on wheels without an engine, I
put about 75lbs of lead shot on the engine mount using SCUBA
weight belts. When crawling around inside, I had a 5 gallon
pail filled with concrete with a T-shaped tail stand that fit right
under the tail to support it...with foam on top of the stand.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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seanblair@adelphia.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
>
> I'm getting in the neighborhood of joining the fuselage to the
> tailcone and would like to put the plane on its gear. Does anyone
> have any creative ideas for placing weight on the engine mount until
> I get my engine bolted on? It will be awhile before I get to the
> engine, so I need a fairly long-term solution.
>
> I'm not a big fan of bracing the tail of the plane as a primary plan,
> only if needed. It seems with any movement, a tail brace could slip
> and/or cause damage.
>
> Lead shot bags? Any other ideas? About how much weight would be
> good to place replicating the engine and enough that I don't cause it
> to nose up getting in and out? Considerations also for working in
> the backseat area too.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
>
> Sean #40225
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| Subject: | Re: Your bucking bar input please. |
Indran,
No it doesn't mean they will fall out of the sky, if they are designed properly.
A designer using pop rivets without locking mechanisms assumes the stem has
fallen off and thus uses a reduced strength allowable for them. You can design
an aeroplane out of almost any hardware as long as you understand its limitations
and account for them.
Those aeroplanes have been designed for reduced strength rivets, the RV10 has
been designed for solid rivets in most of the structurally significant areas.
As a rough number a solid rivet is about 3 times as strong as a pop rivet (this
does not refer to the locking Cherrymax rivets.) So the designer could choose
to use more rivets to account for the reduced strength or use larger diameter
rivets or a combination of both. In a lot of areas the number of rivets used
is determined by smoothness or other requirements besides strength. In those
cases it might be okay to substitute pop rivets.
The area in question here is a major joint in the aircraft. It carries part of
the engine loads. If the engine falls off during flight you will have a bad
day. The only way I would use a pop rivets in this area is if I performed a structural
analysis and found the reduced capability to be acceptable or specifically
got an okay from Vans. I would not assume that I can use something having
about 1/3 of the strength and everything would be okay.
By the way some of the stems in the rivets Vans provided have come off during installation
without even being exposed to any vibration or use.
Niko
40188
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From: Indran Chelvanayagam <ichelva@netspace.net.au>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:17:14 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Your bucking bar input please.
Does this mean that aeroplanes with pop rivets (eg Zenith, Zodiac, upcoming RV12)
will eventually fall apart?
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nikolaos Napoli
Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Your bucking bar input please.
Hi Deems,
I finished that section about 2 months ago and have allready forgotten exactly
what I did. I did use the empennage bucking bar in a lot of places and a steel
plate about 1/4 " thick by about 2 inches wide and about 8 inches long which
a shoved into tight areas. I believe I might have squeezed some of the rivets
in the area you are talking about. I would caution against using blind rivets
in this area as some of the engine loads are coming through that joint. If
you absolutely must use blind rivets make sure you use something like the CherryMax
ones that have a locking feature that keeps the stem in place. The problem
with most of the pop rivets is that if subjected to vibration the steel stem
falls off and you are left with a hollow aluminum cylinder as your fastener
that has a much reduced strength.
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| Subject: | Re: Weight in the front |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
FWIW...I had my -6A tail up on a large homemade sawhorse for years and I wasn't
worried about it slipping after I danced around it gingerly for a while - then
bumped in to it accidently a couple of times and had it knock me over.....YMMV
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>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>Sent: Apr 26, 2006 3:41 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weight in the front
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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>To temporarily move it around on wheels without an engine, I
>put about 75lbs of lead shot on the engine mount using SCUBA
>weight belts. When crawling around inside, I had a 5 gallon
>pail filled with concrete with a T-shaped tail stand that fit right
>under the tail to support it...with foam on top of the stand.
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>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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>seanblair@adelphia.net wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
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>> I'm getting in the neighborhood of joining the fuselage to the
>> tailcone and would like to put the plane on its gear. Does anyone
>> have any creative ideas for placing weight on the engine mount until
>> I get my engine bolted on? It will be awhile before I get to the
>> engine, so I need a fairly long-term solution.
>>
>> I'm not a big fan of bracing the tail of the plane as a primary plan,
>> only if needed. It seems with any movement, a tail brace could slip
>> and/or cause damage.
>>
>> Lead shot bags? Any other ideas? About how much weight would be
>> good to place replicating the engine and enough that I don't cause it
>> to nose up getting in and out? Considerations also for working in
>> the backseat area too.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help,
>>
>> Sean #40225
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| Subject: | Re: Model - I can't resist this |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Wow, they did a beautiful job. That obviously isn't
the first one that they've ever done (not just RV-10 but any),
right? It looks fantastic.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jesse Saint wrote:
> Heres 40415, just a little undersized so far.
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| Subject: | New fuel valve handle |
We have designed a new fuel handle for those using Van's stock fuel valve.
They will be available in a few weeks for $47.
See our website for more info or to pre-order at:
http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=RVFS1
RV Fuel Selector Handle
Mike
Mike Lauritsen
Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
2225 First St.
Boone, Iowa 50036
515-432-6794
mike@cleavelandtool.com
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| Subject: | Weight in the front |
I used a couple of full 6 gallon gas cans with a cargo strap around the
mount at first and it worked well. I also went a different route and
put a
strap under the longerons in the tail and attached them to the workshop
rafter, it has also worked very well and I continue to use that as an
extra
safety margin even with the engine mounted while I'm working in the
tailcone.
Marcus
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JSMcGrew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Weight in the front
I put a saw horse underneath one of the frames/bulkheads in the
tailcone. I
had foam padding on top of the saw horse to spread the load out a bit.
Even
with the engine in place, I keep it there when I am crawling in the
tailcone.
Keep it simple...
Jim
40134
In a message dated 4/26/2006 12:22:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
seanblair@adelphia.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
I'm getting in the neighborhood of joining the fuselage to the tailcone
and
would like to put the plane on its gear. Does anyone have any creative
ideas
for placing weight on the engine mount until I get my engine bolted on?
It
will be awhile before I get to the engine, so I need a fairly long-term
solution.
I'm not a big fan of bracing the tail of the plane as a primary plan,
only
if needed. It seems with any movement, a tail brace could slip and/or
cause
damage.
Lead shot bags? Any other ideas? About how much weight would be good
to
place replicating the engine and enough that I don't cause it to nose up
getting in and out? Considerations also for working in the backseat
area
too.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Sean
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| Subject: | Extra fuel tanks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gorejr@bellsouth.net>
Is it possible to add the 15 gallon extra fuel with the quickbuild wing? I know
alot of the fuel system is in place. Thanks!
Jim Gore RV-10
Griffin GA
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Antenna location |
Cc: Marcus Cooper <coop85@bellsouth.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
---- Marcus Cooper <coop85@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> I know this has been addressed before, but I was wondering if any of you
> that opted to put the GPS antenna under the cowling have any feedback, good
> or bad, on the idea? I suspect reception is okay, my biggest concern is the
> heat in that area affecting the not so cheap antenna.
I have my GPS antenna under the cowl on my -7A, and connected to a GX-60. In 200
flight hours the GPS has never been anything but rock stable and available.
It may be that whatever signal attenuation accrues to being beneath the cowl
is offset by the fact that the cable run to the back of the GPS unit is only
about 18 inches. In the SoCal RV group, there are at least 8 or 10 RVs configured
this way and to my knowledge no one has ever reported and problems with the
arrangement. Will do the same for the -10.
-Dan Masys
#40448
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Gary,
We also plan to be there in a motorhome (hopefully a couple days early).
Your location was great last year!
Bob #40105
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Specketer
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Thoughts
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Gary Specketer" <speckter@comcast.net>
We will again have out motor home at OSH and use it as a connecting
point
for RV10 builders. When I know more details I will post.
Gary
Just hung engine
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Thoughts
--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
Yes, Rick will be missed. 24 volt, Blue Mountain screens and probably
only 6 to 9 months from flying.
John C, It could be a long night toasting each of the 10 that show up at
OSH. Let me know when and I will help.
John J. For me, working on finishing up the canopy fit, it is difficult
to get pack into the garage and make more dust. It is pretty bad when
my new Permagrit sanding block in my new favorite tool.
Larry
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>Kit #40330 is the highest number kit now flying. Congrats again Debby.
>There are more than 18 who have filed registration in the last six
>weeks (all the way up into the 400th), which is a step toward DAR
>Inspection. I am tracking 12 that are all scheduled for completion
>prior. Far more who are staying off the radar screen like John Nys did
>with Randy's progress last year. I'll buy a beer for every 10 builder
>who sandbags my estimate at OSH and toast one for every one of the 50
>who are there. "the glass IS half FULL".
>
>Oh yeh, and on the empty side... there has been less than a 0.40%
>sellout rate of those abandoning the pursuit to date going all the way
>back to James McClow. Rick, you are going to be missed.
>
>Check Six!
>
>John
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>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>Dawson-Townsend
>Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:12 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Thoughts
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>50 flying RV-10s AT Oshkosh, or just flying somewhere?
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| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tanks |
How long did you want to sit?
At full throttle at 2100 RPM and 60 gallons, you can sit for 4 1/2 hours and
still have a half hour reserve.
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 04/26/2006 4:25:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
gorejr@bellsouth.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gorejr@bellsouth.net>
Is it possible to add the 15 gallon extra fuel with the quickbuild wing? I
know alot of the fuel system is in place. Thanks!
Jim Gore RV-10
Griffin GA
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| Subject: | Re: Extra fuel tanks |
Yes, the system is designed to be added to aircraft already completed if
you are talking about the ones in January's 2006 Sport Aviation by
SafeAir1.
JT Lenhardt
#40262
----- Original Message -----
From: gorejr@bellsouth.net
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 7:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Extra fuel tanks
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gorejr@bellsouth.net>
Is it possible to add the 15 gallon extra fuel with the quickbuild
wing? I know alot of the fuel system is in place. Thanks!
Jim Gore RV-10
Griffin GA
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| Subject: | Re: Weight in the front |
--> RV10-List message posted by: jerry petersen <bldanrv9a@yahoo.com>
We put ours on a temporary gear. It was great to have
everything at the lower height while we did everything
from fuel lines, panel, interior, cabin cover, doors,
and windows. We just put it on the gear and I can't
imagine the amount of extra time and work it would be
to have done everything with it on the gear.
--- seanblair@adelphia.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by:
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> I'm getting in the neighborhood of joining the
> fuselage to the tailcone and would like to put the
> plane on its gear. Does anyone have any creative
> ideas for placing weight on the engine mount until I
> get my engine bolted on? It will be awhile before I
> get to the engine, so I need a fairly long-term
> solution.
>
> I'm not a big fan of bracing the tail of the plane
> as a primary plan, only if needed. It seems with
> any movement, a tail brace could slip and/or cause
> damage.
>
> Lead shot bags? Any other ideas? About how much
> weight would be good to place replicating the engine
> and enough that I don't cause it to nose up getting
> in and out? Considerations also for working in the
> backseat area too.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
>
> Sean
> #40225
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| Subject: | GPS Antenna location |
--> RV10-List message posted by: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com
I fly my C-170 with a Garmin 196 in WAAS mode, suction cupped to the
windshield on the pilots side. We use the built in antenna and have never needed
the external antenna ( and that is with a high wing). I would have a
concern putting the antenna in a glass hole under forward of the windshield with
metal on the sides and firewall. Base of windshield above the level of the front
section or over head would be the logical choices.
Steve
Port St. Lucie, FL #40499
772-475-5556
Sent from my Treo 600
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| Subject: | Partain Quick Build Delivery |
Bill,
Thanks for this timely post. Tony's driver with my (and other's) kit on it
should be leaving for AL either today or tomorrow. I've got my help laid on
and was wondering if I was gonna have to take down some of my chain link
fence to get him in the backyard. Seems Tony's updated rolling stands are
making things even easier. Imagine my paying more money for a freight
company to mishandle it and then dump it off the load dock in my driveway!
Rob
#392
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Reining
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Partain Quick Build Delivery
My son and I received our Quick Build fuselage and wings yesterday, at my
home here in Walnut Creek, California, via Partain Transport and laptop GPS.
All I can say is "super service". Be prepared - it arrived several hours
sooner than anticipated. The trailer is 70 feet long (he had two RV-10 QB's
and one RV-7 QB on board) - so don't expect him to back into your
residential driveway. Make sure to have a couple of healthy helpers on hand
- especially to lift the fuselage off of the transport stand onto your
stand. The fuselage transport stand has rollers, and does in fact roll
right down the driveway. The wings are carried in the trailer mounted via
straps to the side wall, so you and your helper will need to lift them while
the driver unstraps them and removes the pads. You and your helper then
carry them off the trailer onto your wing stand. Bruce was very helpful -
it was comforting to see his "Sun and Fun - 2006" tee shirt and know that he
was a fellow aviation enthusiast (and helicopter pilot). But don't count on
Bruce staying around too long - he is under DOT regulations as a truck
driver and has to keep moving, lest he run out of duty time. Everything
arrived in perfect order, well padded and protected. It was $1580 well
spent - highly recommended.
Bill & Jon Reining
#40514 - elevators
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| Subject: | Re: Weight in the front |
Sean,
Keeping the plane off the gear and lower is a great option after you mount
the tailcone. I used temporary gear until it was almost time to mount the
engine. In the front I used a piece of plywood bolted to the wing spar to mount
a
piece of steel with swivel rollers on them. In the back I used a steel pipe
through the step holes and supported it with a 2x4 stand. Not very good
explanations, but here are pictures of what I'm talking about.
And yes, based on my extensive testing pictured here, the back seats ARE
very comfortable.
Jim
40134 - Firewall forward
In a message dated 4/26/2006 7:23:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
bldanrv9a@yahoo.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: jerry petersen <bldanrv9a@yahoo.com>
We put ours on a temporary gear. It was great to have
everything at the lower height while we did everything
from fuel lines, panel, interior, cabin cover, doors,
and windows. We just put it on the gear and I can't
imagine the amount of extra time and work it would be
to have done everything with it on the gear.
--- seanblair@adelphia.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by:
> seanblair@adelphia.net
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> I'm getting in the neighborhood of joining the
> fuselage to the tailcone and would like to put the
> plane on its gear. Does anyone have any creative
> ideas for placing weight on the engine mount until I
> get my engine bolted on? It will be awhile before I
> get to the engine, so I need a fairly long-term
> solution.
>
> I'm not a big fan of bracing the tail of the plane
> as a primary plan, only if needed. It seems with
> any movement, a tail brace could slip and/or cause
> damage.
>
> Lead shot bags? Any other ideas? About how much
> weight would be good to place replicating the engine
> and enough that I don't cause it to nose up getting
> in and out? Considerations also for working in the
> backseat area too.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help,
>
> Sean
> #40225
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| Subject: | Re: Weight in the front |
Here's a pic. It really works well this way and isn't in the way. Also a
great place to put the water picture and cups.
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Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: Re: RV10-List: Weight in the front
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We took one of the boxes, I think from the wing kit, and put legs on it at
different lengths so they support the tail at a normal angle the entire
length. That works really really well to hold the tail and support the
fuse. We have the main gear legs on, without wheels, and have those
strapped onto wooden blocks and sitting on the floor. That makes it really
nice to work on without having it want to roll around on you.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
seanblair@adelphia.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: Re: RV10-List: Weight in the front
--> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
I'm getting in the neighborhood of joining the fuselage to the tailcone and
would like to put the plane on its gear. Does anyone have any creative ideas
for placing weight on the engine mount until I get my engine bolted on? It
will be awhile before I get to the engine, so I need a fairly long-term
solution.
I'm not a big fan of bracing the tail of the plane as a primary plan, only
if needed. It seems with any movement, a tail brace could slip and/or cause
damage.
Lead shot bags? Any other ideas? About how much weight would be good to
place replicating the engine and enough that I don't cause it to nose up
getting in and out? Considerations also for working in the backseat area
too.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Sean
#40225
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