Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:21 AM - Re: X/C into a convection oven (Tim Olson)
2. 04:44 AM - Re: QB (Chris , Susie Darcy)
3. 05:03 AM - Re: QB (David Hertner)
4. 05:46 AM - Gulf Coast lower price on Dynon avionics? (GRANSCOTT@AOL.COM)
5. 06:39 AM - Firesleeving (Ralph E. Capen)
6. 07:57 AM - Re: X/C into a convection oven (Tim Olson)
7. 10:56 AM - Re: Performance numbers at highter alt. (pilotdds@AOL.COM)
8. 11:21 AM - Re: Performance numbers at highter alt. (Rene Felker)
9. 11:47 AM - Re: Performance numbers at higher alt. (Conti, Rick)
10. 12:00 PM - Re: Performance numbers at highter alt. (Jerry Grimmonpre)
11. 12:00 PM - Re: Performance numbers at highter alt. (Jesse Saint)
12. 12:03 PM - Re: Performance numbers at higher alt. (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
13. 12:17 PM - Re: Performance numbers at higher alt. (Conti, Rick)
14. 12:34 PM - Re: Performance numbers at highter alt. (William)
15. 01:15 PM - Re: Performance numbers at higher alt. (William)
16. 01:27 PM - antenna grounding (David McNeill)
17. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: Performance numbers at higher alt. (Conti, Rick)
18. 01:52 PM - Re: Performance numbers at higher alt. (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
19. 02:05 PM - Re: Performance numbers at higher alt. (Dj Merrill)
20. 05:03 PM - Re: Performance numbers at higher alt. (Randy DeBauw)
21. 05:03 PM - Re: Performance numbers at highter alt. (Randy DeBauw)
22. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: Performance numbers at higher alt (NAV Antenna) (Marcus Cooper)
23. 06:39 PM - Re: Performance numbers at higher alt. (bob.kaufmann)
24. 07:49 PM - Re: RV-List: Firesleeving (Ross Scroggs)
25. 08:12 PM - Fw: [Team RV] Formation Clinic Wrap up post (Richard Sipp)
26. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Firesleeving (Jerry Grimmonpre)
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| Subject: | Re: X/C into a convection oven |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Well, it's not so much that I'm forced to take our plane. I'm the
one who refuses to go commercial for this trip...it's a waste of
cash to get no enjoyment. I figured I'll only go if I can fly
ourselves and see some sights, even if it costs double, which
it very well might. I'm not so much worried about the trip
pushing my personal limits as I am not knowing exactly what
to expect for that trip. That's a part of the country that
I've only been in once, driving from Vegas to San Fran as a
quick trip. And, been to Vegas a couple times but only in
that town. Other than that, I don't know that I've ever been
to New Mexico, and only once to Texas and I'm not sure about
Arizona. So I just don't know the area. You guys are great
at filling me in though. I'm learning that the main thing
is fly early, but other than that, it seems practical.
Maybe if you all turn your A/C on that day and leave the windows
open I could have a better ride. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Robert G. Wright wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
>
> If forced, then go commercial. Don't do anything in a small GA until you
> know you're ready to push _your_ limits.
>
> rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 1:26 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: X/C into a convection oven
>
> Ok, so I'm paranoid...
>
> There's a chance that I might be forcibly ordered to fly from
> Wisconsin to San Diego, CA for a wedding on July 1st. It's
> *only* a 12 hour flight, so that's no problem. The problem
> is, I'd be flying down to New Mexico, across the Grand Canyon,
> and then up to Vegas and down to San Diego. One thing I
> did some research on is the average daily temps, which get
> into the 102-108 degree F range in those SouthWest states...
> and that's "average". The other much more minor issue
> is the mountains, as it looks like on my route my max
> mountain height is 10,000'.
>
> What I'd like to know is, can someone who lives down there
> in those areas, or anywhere in between Wisconsin and there,
> tell me how bad of weather and it's effects am I likely
> to see during that time of year right around July 1st?
>
> I've attached a picture of my route. It's not straight,
> but that's so I can do some visiting and sightseeing.
>
> All I know is if it was 105 degrees up where I live, the
> last thing I'd want do do is climb in my airplane for
> a flight. You'd be cooking up here.
>
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Hey Rob weight till you have to pull the gear mounts out.......
Chris
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----- Original Message -----
From: Robert G. Wright
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: QB
QB fuse and wings arrived today! Inventory is done (check the
timestamp!) and I have no more room in my workshop. Cabin top will have
to go to the hangar for a while.My RV grin can only get bigger.
Rob
#392
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Rob,
Congratulations!!
I'm not too far behind you. My QB should be in my hands by the end of
the month.
Good luck!
Dave Hertner
#40164
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| Subject: | Gulf Coast lower price on Dynon avionics? |
I don't know if anyone has any interest...below is from Gulf Coast Avionics,
this came in this morning batch of commercials..don't know if this price is
good price or they are trolling...FYI...plus they showed a Garmin 396,
packaged with a number of other Garmin products that could make an interesting
pre-wired package. I've bought a couple of things from GCA over the years...no
affiliation, tho...FYI.
Dynon Avionics _EFIS-D10A_
(http://www.gulf-coast-avionics.com/detail.asp?id=6050) & _D100_ (http://www.gulf-coast-avionics.com/detail.asp?id=6390)
Electronic Flight Information System
* D10A New lower price - $2,149
* D100 New lower price - $2,349
Patrick Scott
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Folks,
>From what I've seen, most folks are not firesleeving their oil cooler feed/return/pressure
lines nor their fuel pressure line which I'm OK with.
Fuel feed/return lines I think need to be firesleeved.....
I'm having a problem determining what size firesleeve to use. The ACS website
has a table for their firesleeve parts which does not list the 303 hose that we're
supposed to use.
I'm getting ready to buy the stuff to build my fuel hoses - including the firesleeving.
I'll be building an assembly that includes a pair of hoses and a fuel
flow meter - I'm guessing that I'll need a larger chunk of firesleeve to go
over the flow meter.
Can anyone tell me what the correct size of Firesleeving is for a 303-4, 303-6,
and Flowscan 201 fuel flow meter?
Thanks,
Ralph
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CC: rv10-list@matronics.com
| Subject: | Re: X/C into a convection oven |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I just wanted to say thanks again for all the replies on the
trip through the Vegas area. I didn't reply to every one of
the personal off-list emails I got either, but I got a ton,
and even a phone call. You guys don't know how much I appreciate
this list, and I consider most everyone as a friend. It's
amazing the camaraderie this activity and list can generate.
Thanks for all the offers of places to stay, and everything
else. I know one thing for sure, if you're flying into
KVGT, you won't have problems finding a place to hanger and
RV-10's to see. ;)
If anyone is ever passing through MSP or Western Wisconsin,
I'll do what I can to make your stop good too. There aren't
open hangers at our field, but if it's only one plane I may
be able to get the FBO to take it overnight for free. He's
a good guy.
In addition, I'll mention this more later, but we're about
1 hour out of OSH to the West. For those flying into OSH
this year from the West, I'm hoping to gather a group
that flies in to KLUM on the night before, and then in the
a.m. we can all launch together and fly in as a group
of -10s. As I said, more details later. I've also contacted
the EAA (no reply yet) about getting a parking area all together.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Performance numbers at highter alt. |
Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am trying to mount Bob
archer ant and am curious how you grounded it given the fact the wingtips slide
inside the skin?Anyone else familiar and have suggestions?
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:35:46 -0700
Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
10.500 alt
20.6 mp
2300 rpm
12.4 gph
136 ind
162 adj
159 gs
10,520 alt.
11,390 density alt Dynon
136kts ind
160 kts adj.
155 kts gs.
12.2 gph
62% power
13,500
13,610 adj dynon
11.3 gph
18.3 mp
2300 rpm
130 kts ind.
162 kts adj
12 gph
151 kts gs (headwind)
Randy N610RV
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| Subject: | Performance numbers at highter alt. |
I can remember reading, but don't know where, that you ground it through the
nutplate. I.e. you rivet the antenna between the nutplates and the wingtip.
Rene' Felker
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am trying to
mount Bob archer ant and am curious how you grounded it given the fact the
wingtips slide inside the skin?Anyone else familiar and have suggestions?
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:35:46 -0700
Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
10.500 alt
20.6 mp
2300 rpm
12.4 gph
136 ind
162 adj
159 gs
10,520 alt.
11,390 density alt Dynon
136kts ind
160 kts adj.
155 kts gs.
12.2 gph
62% power
13,500
13,610 adj dynon
11.3 gph
18.3 mp
2300 rpm
130 kts ind.
162 kts adj
12 gph
151 kts gs (headwind)
Randy N610RV
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| Subject: | Performance numbers at higher alt. |
I would think an antenna lying on its side would not be as effective as
one protruding from the fuselage, if for no other reason the polarity
will be horizontal vice vertical and that can cause significant signal
loss. Also, the radiation pattern will be greater outward on the
aircraft side, since the aircraft is in fact the ground plane.
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
________________________________
From: Rene Felker [mailto:rene@felker.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
I can remember reading, but don't know where, that you ground it through
the nutplate. I.e. you rivet the antenna between the nutplates and the
wingtip.
Rene' Felker
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am trying to
mount Bob archer ant and am curious how you grounded it given the fact
the wingtips slide inside the skin?Anyone else familiar and have
suggestions?
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:35:46 -0700
Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
10.500 alt
20.6 mp
2300 rpm
12.4 gph
136 ind
162 adj
159 gs
10,520 alt.
11,390 density alt Dynon
136kts ind
160 kts adj.
155 kts gs.
12.2 gph
62% power
13,500
13,610 adj dynon
11.3 gph
18.3 mp
2300 rpm
130 kts ind.
162 kts adj
12 gph
151 kts gs (headwind)
Randy N610RV
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| Subject: | Re: Performance numbers at highter alt. |
Check this site ... www.rvproject.com ... Dan Checkoway has done the
grounding with wingtip antenna and reports good reception. I tried to
find the specific address relating to your request, but was unable. I
think there is a search function ... sorry I can't be of more help.
With patience you'll find it.
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A Electrical
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From: pilotdds@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am trying
to mount Bob archer ant and am curious how you grounded it given the
fact the wingtips slide inside the skin?Anyone else familiar and have
suggestions?
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| Subject: | Performance numbers at highter alt. |
We did it under the nutplates if I remember correctly, so it grounds
through
all of the screws and into the skin. I have seen another installation
that
uses aluminum angle on the outboard most rib and it doesn=92t remove
with the
wingtips. I think I am going that way with this one. Not going to do
another Wingtip COM, but the NAV seems to work great. Also going with
the
Marker antenna in the tip this time.
40415 in the paint and interior shop
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am trying to
mount Bob archer ant and am curious how you grounded it given the fact
the
wingtips slide inside the skin?Anyone else familiar and have
suggestions?
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:35:46 -0700
Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
10.500 alt
20.6 mp
2300 rpm
12.4 gph
136 ind
162 adj
159 gs
10,520 alt.
11,390 density alt Dynon
136kts ind
160 kts adj.
155 kts gs.
12.2 gph
62% power
13,500
13,610 adj dynon
11.3 gph
18.3 mp
2300 rpm
130 kts ind.
162 kts adj
12 gph
151 kts gs (headwind)
Randy N610RV
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| Subject: | Performance numbers at higher alt. |
Nah, I'd call THIS a ground plane . .
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at higher alt.
I would think an antenna lying on its side would not be as effective as
one protruding from the fuselage, if for no other reason the polarity
will be horizontal vice vertical and that can cause significant signal
loss. Also, the radiation pattern will be greater outward on the
aircraft side, since the aircraft is in fact the ground plane.
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
________________________________
From: Rene Felker [mailto:rene@felker.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
I can remember reading, but don't know where, that you ground it through
the nutplate. I.e. you rivet the antenna between the nutplates and the
wingtip.
Rene' Felker
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am trying to
mount Bob archer ant and am curious how you grounded it given the fact
the wingtips slide inside the skin?Anyone else familiar and have
suggestions?
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:35:46 -0700
Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
10.500 alt
20.6 mp
2300 rpm
12.4 gph
136 ind
162 adj
159 gs
10,520 alt.
11,390 density alt Dynon
136kts ind
160 kts adj.
155 kts gs.
12.2 gph
62% power
13,500
13,610 adj dynon
11.3 gph
18.3 mp
2300 rpm
130 kts ind.
162 kts adj
12 gph
151 kts gs (headwind)
Randy N610RV
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| Subject: | Performance numbers at higher alt. |
If you look closely, you'll see he doesn't need an antenna. All the
pilot has to do is stick his head out the door and yell for a taxi
clearance.
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
________________________________
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend [mailto:Tdawson@avidyne.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at higher alt.
Nah, I'd call THIS a ground plane . .
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at higher alt.
I would think an antenna lying on its side would not be as effective as
one protruding from the fuselage, if for no other reason the polarity
will be horizontal vice vertical and that can cause significant signal
loss. Also, the radiation pattern will be greater outward on the
aircraft side, since the aircraft is in fact the ground plane.
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
________________________________
From: Rene Felker [mailto:rene@felker.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
I can remember reading, but don't know where, that you ground it through
the nutplate. I.e. you rivet the antenna between the nutplates and the
wingtip.
Rene' Felker
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am trying to
mount Bob archer ant and am curious how you grounded it given the fact
the wingtips slide inside the skin?Anyone else familiar and have
suggestions?
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:35:46 -0700
Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
10.500 alt
20.6 mp
2300 rpm
12.4 gph
136 ind
162 adj
159 gs
10,520 alt.
11,390 density alt Dynon
136kts ind
160 kts adj.
155 kts gs.
12.2 gph
62% power
13,500
13,610 adj dynon
11.3 gph
18.3 mp
2300 rpm
130 kts ind.
162 kts adj
12 gph
151 kts gs (headwind)
Randy N610RV
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Cc: pilotdds@aol.com
| Subject: | Re: Performance numbers at highter alt. |
>Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am
>trying to mount Bob archer ant and am curious how you grounded it
>given the fact the wingtips slide inside the skin?Anyone else
>familiar and have suggestions?
Use Aluminum tape. That and the screws through the nutplate will ensure conductive
contact between the antenna and the wingtip.
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/07Wings/wings99y.html
William Curtis
40237 - Fuse
http://nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | RE: Performance numbers at higher alt. |
>I would think an antenna lying on its side would not be as
>effective as one protruding from the fuselage, if for no other
>reason the polarity will be horizontal vice vertical and that can
>cause significant signal loss. Also, the radiation pattern will be
>greater outward on the aircraft side, since the aircraft is in fact
>the ground plane.
Rick,
My assumption here is we are talking about the Bob Archer NAV antennas. That being
so, these operate best horizontally. Think of the "cat whiskers" and "bow
tie" NAV antennas in production aircraft. Comm antennas on the other hand, are
another story. They operate best vertically.
William Curtis
http://nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | antenna grounding |
nuff said?
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| Subject: | RE: Performance numbers at higher alt. |
Roger that.
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Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
________________________________
From: William [mailto:wcurtis@core.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Performance numbers at higher alt.
>I would think an antenna lying on its side would not be as
>effective as one protruding from the fuselage, if for no other
>reason the polarity will be horizontal vice vertical and that can
>cause significant signal loss. Also, the radiation pattern will be
>greater outward on the aircraft side, since the aircraft is in fact
>the ground plane.
Rick,
My assumption here is we are talking about the Bob Archer NAV antennas.
That being so, these operate best horizontally. Think of the "cat
whiskers" and "bow tie" NAV antennas in production aircraft. Comm
antennas on the other hand, are another story. They operate best
vertically.
William Curtis
http://nerv10.com/
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Nav, MB antennas =3D horizontally polarized
Com, transponder, =3D vertically polarized
Sat based antennas =3D circularly polarized (no ground plane)
Subspace antennas =3D strange polarization (quantum ground plane)
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive
Recent RV-10 Build Activity
<http://www.mykitlog.com/display_project.php?project_id=3D22>
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at higher alt.
I would think an antenna lying on its side would not be as effective as
one protruding from the fuselage, if for no other reason the polarity
will be horizontal vice vertical and that can cause significant signal
loss. Also, the radiation pattern will be greater outward on the
aircraft side, since the aircraft is in fact the ground plane.
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
________________________________
From: Rene Felker [mailto:rene@felker.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
I can remember reading, but don't know where, that you ground it through
the nutplate. I.e. you rivet the antenna between the nutplates and the
wingtip.
Rene' Felker
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am trying to
mount Bob archer ant and am curious how you grounded it given the fact
the wingtips slide inside the skin?Anyone else familiar and have
suggestions?
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:35:46 -0700
Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
10.500 alt
20.6 mp
2300 rpm
12.4 gph
136 ind
162 adj
159 gs
10,520 alt.
11,390 density alt Dynon
136kts ind
160 kts adj.
155 kts gs.
12.2 gph
62% power
13,500
13,610 adj dynon
11.3 gph
18.3 mp
2300 rpm
130 kts ind.
162 kts adj
12 gph
151 kts gs (headwind)
Randy N610RV
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> Subspace antennas = strange polarization (quantum ground plane)
Main deflector? *grin*
-Dj
do not archive
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| Subject: | Performance numbers at higher alt. |
Rick, I have 2 com antennas. One whip and one in the wing tip. The wing
tip is about 70% as good as the whip. Plenty good enough if you don't
want extra antenna hanging out. Personal choice. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at higher alt.
I would think an antenna lying on its side would not be as effective as
one protruding from the fuselage, if for no other reason the polarity
will be horizontal vice vertical and that can cause significant signal
loss. Also, the radiation pattern will be greater outward on the
aircraft side, since the aircraft is in fact the ground plane.
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
________________________________
From: Rene Felker [mailto:rene@felker.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
I can remember reading, but don't know where, that you ground it through
the nutplate. I.e. you rivet the antenna between the nutplates and the
wingtip.
Rene' Felker
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am trying to
mount Bob archer ant and am curious how you grounded it given the fact
the wingtips slide inside the skin?Anyone else familiar and have
suggestions?
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:35:46 -0700
Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
10.500 alt
20.6 mp
2300 rpm
12.4 gph
136 ind
162 adj
159 gs
10,520 alt.
11,390 density alt Dynon
136kts ind
160 kts adj.
155 kts gs.
12.2 gph
62% power
13,500
13,610 adj dynon
11.3 gph
18.3 mp
2300 rpm
130 kts ind.
162 kts adj
12 gph
151 kts gs (headwind)
Randy N610RV
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I grounded both through the nut plates. Nav and com work great. The
com needs to be lifted up so it is as vertical as possible. I riveted
an extra trip if alum to the bottom of the com antenna and then bent it
so the antenna could angle up. Randy
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
pilotdds@AOL.COM
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am trying to
mount Bob archer ant and am curious how you grounded it given the fact
the wingtips slide inside the skin?Anyone else familiar and have
suggestions?
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:35:46 -0700
Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
10.500 alt
20.6 mp
2300 rpm
12.4 gph
136 ind
162 adj
159 gs
10,520 alt.
11,390 density alt Dynon
136kts ind
160 kts adj.
155 kts gs.
12.2 gph
62% power
13,500
13,610 adj dynon
11.3 gph
18.3 mp
2300 rpm
130 kts ind.
162 kts adj
12 gph
151 kts gs (headwind)
Randy N610RV
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| Subject: | RE: Performance numbers at higher alt (NAV Antenna) |
Rick,
One other thought, I vaguely remember reading some instructions for
these
antennas and I think the intent was to install them under the nutplates
that
attach the tips to the wings. That way you get several grounding points
to
the wing. You may want to check out the aeroelectic listings on
Matronics
and his website as well.
Marcus
Do not archive in case I'm wrong!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:43 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RE: Performance numbers at higher alt.
Roger that.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
_____
From: William [mailto:wcurtis@core.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Performance numbers at higher alt.
>I would think an antenna lying on its side would not be as
>effective as one protruding from the fuselage, if for no other
>reason the polarity will be horizontal vice vertical and that can
>cause significant signal loss. Also, the radiation pattern will be
>greater outward on the aircraft side, since the aircraft is in fact
>the ground plane.
Rick,
My assumption here is we are talking about the Bob Archer NAV antennas.
That
being so, these operate best horizontally. Think of the "cat whiskers"
and
"bow tie" NAV antennas in production aircraft. Comm antennas on the
other
hand, are another story. They operate best vertically.
William Curtis
http://nerv10.com/
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I'd call it a job opening.
Bob K
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at higher alt.
Nah, I'd call THIS a ground plane . .
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti, Rick
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at higher alt.
I would think an antenna lying on its side would not be as effective as one
protruding from the fuselage, if for no other reason the polarity will be
horizontal vice vertical and that can cause significant signal loss. Also,
the radiation pattern will be greater outward on the aircraft side, since
the aircraft is in fact the ground plane.
Thank You
Rick Conti
Senior Engineering Manager
The Boeing Company
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
_____
From: Rene Felker [mailto:rene@felker.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
I can remember reading, but don't know where, that you ground it through the
nutplate. I.e. you rivet the antenna between the nutplates and the wingtip.
Rene' Felker
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
Randy,I have a flying Rv-10.Panel was built by aerocraft.I am trying to
mount Bob archer ant and am curious how you grounded it given the fact the
wingtips slide inside the skin?Anyone else familiar and have suggestions?
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy DeBauw <Randy@abros.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:35:46 -0700
Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt.
10.500 alt
20.6 mp
2300 rpm
12.4 gph
136 ind
162 adj
159 gs
10,520 alt.
11,390 density alt Dynon
136kts ind
160 kts adj.
155 kts gs.
12.2 gph
62% power
13,500
13,610 adj dynon
11.3 gph
18.3 mp
2300 rpm
130 kts ind.
162 kts adj
12 gph
151 kts gs (headwind)
Randy N610RV
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
Ralph,
According to the ACS catalog, page 122, the 303-4 hose uses AE102-9, the
303-6 uses
AE102-12. Both firesleeve's use the 900591B-2C clamp.
Don't think I've ever seen firesleeve on a flow meter/transducer.
Ross Scroggs
RV-4 #3911
Locust Grove, GA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
<rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:38 AM
Subject: RV-List: Firesleeving
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> Folks,
>
>>From what I've seen, most folks are not firesleeving their oil cooler
>>feed/return/pressure lines nor their fuel pressure line which I'm OK with.
>
> Fuel feed/return lines I think need to be firesleeved.....
>
> I'm having a problem determining what size firesleeve to use. The ACS
> website has a table for their firesleeve parts which does not list the 303
> hose that we're supposed to use.
>
> I'm getting ready to buy the stuff to build my fuel hoses - including the
> firesleeving. I'll be building an assembly that includes a pair of hoses
> and a fuel flow meter - I'm guessing that I'll need a larger chunk of
> firesleeve to go over the flow meter.
>
> Can anyone tell me what the correct size of Firesleeving is for a 303-4,
> 303-6, and Flowscan 201 fuel flow meter?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: [Team RV] Formation Clinic Wrap up post |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
RV10 group:
Here is a report of last weekend's formation training seminar hosted by the
Ohio Valley RVators.
I flew with these guys and TeamRV a lot with the 4. Formation can be a lot
of fun when done safely.
With more and more of these great airplanes being completed there will
certainly be opportunities to fly together.
Traveling with a group of airplanes is a hoot. Granted it is not for
everyone but if the bug gets you, you're hooked.
Dick Sipp
#40065
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
<rv-list@matronics.com>;
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 10:24 PM
Subject: [Team RV] Re: RV-List: Ohio Valley RVators Formation Clinic
> Thanks for the reports guys you have made me real homesick.
>
> Falcon/Kahuna, be thinking about how to incorporate at least a few of the
> bomber model RV10s into formations.
> There are already more than 30 flying and they are coming out of the
> garages at a good clip.
>
> 35th anniversary flight?
>
> Frogman
> Dick Sipp
> #40065
> do not archieve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Gray" <rgray67968@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: [Team RV] Formation Clinic Wrap up post
Team RV,
Below is my wrap up post from this weeks clinic sent to our OVRVators
site. It's long so delete NOW if not interested.
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - read on:
OK Gang...here's the POST FORMATION CLINIC WRAP-UP..for those of you
that missed it.....you know what I always say.."You Snooze.....You
Looze"!!
First.......thanks for all of the kind words on our 3rd Annual Ohio
Valley RVators Formation Clinic with Falcon and Team RV.......we DO
appreciate it!!
The weather for the 3 day clinic could not have been better....this
pretty much set the tone for the weekend!
Our theme for the Formation Clinic was the same as it always
is.....SAFETY.....together, we were successful (again) this year!
Here are a few examples of how folks reacted to our theme of SAFETY
at the clinic:
-While pulling an RV4 out of the hanger Lefty noticed that the
tailwheel was a little `cocked'.....it was immediately pointed out to
the owner and we pulled his bird into my hangar and made the
repairs.....20 minutes well spent!
-Another pilot noticed a `spongy' right brake...rather than
continuing the fly with `it'll be OK'....he pulled the plane in the
hanger and brake fluid was pumped back into the system and the air
removed. Time was also spent on filing a sharp corner from tailwheel
detent on the bird.
-Of course.....SAFETY was reinforced by the Flight Leads in each
Brief and Debrief as well.
The above translated into a successful formation clinic with
everybody returning home to their families.....and no touch up needed
on their wingtips!!
On with the wrap up:
We had about 44 RV's total at the clinic..38 of those being clinic
participants. Plus......one sweet Lancair Legacy photo ship. Right at
50 folks attended!
We ate about 150 donuts, drank about 100 bottles of water, 50 orange
juices, 50 apple juices, and lost count of the pop, coffee,
and `other' beverages during dinner Saturday night. I didn't get the
tally on the fuel yet....but let's say that the airport sold a few
gallons of Avgas...... $3.27 per gallon.
The clinic began with the arrivals on Friday (a few even came in on
Thursday). The tower frequency was buzzing with incoming traffic all
day...Keystone Flight, Buckeye Flight, Bulldog Flight, Hawk Flight,
Palmetto Flight, Rat Flight (no typo...smile), Speedy Flight,....you
name it..you heard it!! Incoming flights ranged from single to 8 ship
arrivals. In addition to the incoming traffic...we had quite a few
departure flights as well...we couldn't just `watch' the incoming
flights all day...we had to go up and get in some 4 ship practice as
well!
All planes were hangared or tied down then the Pizza Party
started.....right on time at about 6pm. We ate just about all of the
21 pizzas.......the noise of RV formation talk, and laughter in the
background as new friendships were in the making was music to the
ears!!
After our bellies were full..the ground school began. The `ground
rules'....(read: `SAFETY').... and agenda for the clinic were covered
..then I turned the ball over to Stu `Falcon' McCurdy (FFI) for his
segment of the Ground School. Stu's presentation dealt with the
basics and overview of formation flying including a background of
Formation Flying Inc. (FFI). This was followed up with the
introductions from the participants and the `nuts and bolts' (as Stu
calls it) of formation flying......a GREAT presentation from
Mike `Kahuna' Stewart.....founder of Team RV.
Saturday morning came early, with only about 5 hours of sleep for
many of us. Off to the airport..I love those clear, crisp mornings
with the sun coming up behind you as you preflight your RV..
especially when there are about 40 other RV's doing the same thing!!
I took Buckeye Flight of 4 up for some early morning practice which
included a photo pass prior to the carrier breaks...another flight
consisting of Kahuna, Dogg, Hooter, and Speedy were out for a
little `specialized' training as well. Nothing like standing on the
ramp early in the morning as the roar of the lycoming engines
overhead break the silence..this will really get the juices flowing!!
Briefs for exposure flights began right on time at 8am. Flights were
organized according to experience levels, with all new folks being
put in an aircraft with experienced formation pilots for one-on-one
training. We put up 4 `missions' throughout the day..each mission
contained between 8 and 10 flights.......flights consisting of mostly
4 ships with a couple 3 ships.......again..tailored to experience
levels. The `practice area' was divided into 10 sectors for the
different flights..each sector having an assigned frequency to keep
communications safe.
Of course, we took a well deserved lunch break in between the
missions :^)!! All this was observed by our beautiful Lancair Legacy
Photo Ship which was piloted by owner/builder Rob Logan. Dana Overall
from our group was snapping the photos and taking the video.
I'm sure we did a lot to promote general aviation over the course of
the day as LOTS of folks from the surrounding communities drove to
the airport and lined the fence to watch the `air show'.
Oh yea...I MUST comment on my last flight of the day on Saturday
(actually the 6th flight of the day for me....big smile). I know that
we are `all about' RV's...but, Rob Logan (photo ship) came up to me
and invited me for a ride in his Lancair Legacy......NO hesitation on
my part.....I was going to die if had to watch his bird make one more
Reno Air Race style pass down the runway from the ground! He did the
walk-around and strapped me in.....a couple minutes later and we were
rolling down the runway. All I can say is this is ONE SWEET
AIRPLANE!! And....FAST! Basically.it's a whole `nuther kind of
airplane than our RV's......and it's FAST! It's equipped for anything
that could come your way...and performs amazingly.....and did I
mention that it's FAST??? Thanks Rob....does anyone want to buy my F1
Rocket project??.....ha ha.
Saturday ended with a few FFI evaluations......then, dinner was
served at Mary's Plane View restaurant on the field. I'm not sure
what the folks did that were staying at the local hotel......but on
the way home to my place someone at the back of the minivan said they
wanted ice cream. Falcon, Kahuna, Speedy, and I stopped and topped
off the evening with `Flurrys' and cones......was nice to sit around
with all your buds eating ice cream like little kids. Falcon snapped
a once in a lifetime picture of Speedy eating a `playdough' cone that
I'm sure will pop up on a website sometime soon :^)!!
We got an extra hour of sleep on Saturday night...to bed at eleven
instead of midnight.......5 o'clock came real early. No biggie when
you know you're headed back to the airport for the `All Up' Formation
Sunday morning. For me....this is the climax of the weekend. Once at
the airport we had another great day ahead of us.....folks were
pulling their planes out of the hangars and the fuel island was
hopping. More donuts were being consumed as folks got ready for
the `All Up' briefing scheduled for 8am.
My daughters Lauren (11) and Kristen (9) were there as well...they
wanted to be the ones to draw the names for the giveaways that were
donated by Vans Aircraft, Cleaveland tools, Avery Tools, and PKB
airport. It was priceless to watch them as they handed out the gifts.
A HUGE thank you to those that contributed......be sure to buy your
tools from these folks.......and make your next aircraft purchase is
from Vans Aircraft.....yea right.....like I need to tell you that!
We went over the list of folks and came up with an experience level
that indicated 18 qualified pilots for the `All Up' formation. The
remaining pilots and passengers would ride right/back seat......this
would provide experience that they couldn't get anywhere else. I for
one was excited about the flight. I've flown in many large formations
in the past but have never been in the `Diamond of Diamonds'
formation....we had more than enough to satisfy my dream this Sunday
morning!
Falcon briefed the All Up formation..engine start time would be
10am...all watches were synchronized. As the seconds counted down,
the quiet morning was interrupted by the sound of 18 Lycomings coming
to life (sorry..no Subaru's or Rotarys were there this
weekend.....smile). Falcon called for the check in and Alpha, Bravo,
Charlie, Delta, and Echo flights responded as briefed. Falcon Flight
of 18 taxied into position on Runway 3 when cleared for take
off...that poor guy coming into the pattern in the Cessna 152 would
have to wait :^)!! We took off 4 x 4 x 4 x 4 x 2 then joined up for
the first of 4 passes in the racetrack pattern. The second pass was
the 'loose diamond of diamonds +2' followed by the 'arrowhead'
formation...then, we joined up for the 18 ship "diamond of
diamonds".....+2.(smile).
Our Lancair Photo Ship stayed busy taking pics of the various
formations from the air while other photos were being taken from the
ground. You should have seen most of the pics by now......if not..a
few of my favorites can be seen here (copied from Rob's site):
http://members9.clubphoto.com/rick398651/owner-e5f1-1.phtml
And Robert 'Salty' Saltsman's pics from the clinic can be seen here:
http://tny.se/19F
The rest are on Rob's site at:
http://rob.com/pix/pbk
The videos can be seen here:
http://rob.com/pix/pkb?page=11
Rob's favorite is this one:
http://rob.com/pix/pkb/2_G
Once the 18 aircraft were secured Falcon held the usual debrief with
all pilots and passengers from the flight.
After the debrief, it was time for lunch and departures. It was icing
on the cake to watch our Ohio Valley Rvators Cincinnati `Rats' 5 ship
depart in the 5 ship Vic formation. They did a textbook takeoff with
a left 270 degree turn over the tower and the ramp on the way out.
The flight looked and sounded awesome as they departed!! This was
followed by a 4 ship Team RV/Palmetto departure led by SuBob headed
back to the south. Blackhawk departures headed to the west, and folks
heading east formed up for multi-ship departures as well.....it was
bittersweet!!
It was a SUPER weekend.......and no incidents! We did some serious
flying and also some serious ribbing! Old friendships were rekindled
and new ones were formed.....all in the course of a 3 day weekend!
Thanks to Falcon, Kahuna and Team RV for their continued support of
our Ohio Valley RVators at the clinic (again).....you guys are
GREAT!! There is no one who does as much for the RV Formation Flying
community as these guys do!!
Thanks to PKB airport and their staff for a great facility and for
meeting all of our needs!!
Thanks again to Vans, Avery, and Cleaveland for their contributions!
Thanks to the unknown person (smile) that helped me with all of our
documents and materials.
Thanks to Dan `Danno' Lloyd our `Gadget Man' for ALL his help with
the audio/video......it don't happen without Danno'!!!
Thanks to Rob Logan for volunteering his time, gas, and Lancair for
the photo ship duties (and for the thriller ride)!
Thanks to Dana for taking the pics, Salty for his pics, and Dan
Woodfin for his pics....and any others who I missed :^)!
Thanks for all the GENEROUS DONATIONS that you folks offered to help
pay for all the incidentals...it looks like I won't go in the hole
this year..and, my little red haired wife says thanks too....big
smile!!
And....most of all......thanks to ALL of you that participated in the
clinic......there would be NO CLINIC without you!!!
He probably thought I'd forget....but, thanks to Bill `Lefty'
Connelly....my right hand man in running the clinic....YOU ARE THE
MAN!!!
Again, if you didn't make the clinic......hope to see you next
year....and remember....."You Snooze....You Looze"!!
Builders...Keep poundin' those rivets...it's all worth it!!
Rick at the Buffalo Farm
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
AFP recommends firesleeve on the flow meter/transducer.
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A Electrical
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From: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-List: Firesleeving
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ross Scroggs" <rv4ross@charter.net>
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> Ralph,
> According to the ACS catalog, page 122, the 303-4 hose uses AE102-9, the
> 303-6 uses
> AE102-12. Both firesleeve's use the 900591B-2C clamp.
> Don't think I've ever seen firesleeve on a flow meter/transducer.
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> Ross Scroggs
> RV-4 #3911
> Locust Grove, GA.
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> From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:38 AM
> Subject: RV-List: Firesleeving
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>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
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>> Folks,
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>>>From what I've seen, most folks are not firesleeving their oil cooler
>>>feed/return/pressure lines nor their fuel pressure line which I'm OK
>>>with.
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>> Fuel feed/return lines I think need to be firesleeved.....
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>> I'm having a problem determining what size firesleeve to use. The ACS
>> website has a table for their firesleeve parts which does not list the
>> 303 hose that we're supposed to use.
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>> I'm getting ready to buy the stuff to build my fuel hoses - including the
>> firesleeving. I'll be building an assembly that includes a pair of hoses
>> and a fuel flow meter - I'm guessing that I'll need a larger chunk of
>> firesleeve to go over the flow meter.
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>> Can anyone tell me what the correct size of Firesleeving is for a 303-4,
>> 303-6, and Flowscan 201 fuel flow meter?
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>> Thanks,
>> Ralph
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