---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/07/06: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:36 AM - Re: Tank Skin Dimple Die Set (James Hein) 2. 09:58 AM - Re: QB Wings conduit (zackrv8) 3. 12:27 PM - Re: QB Wings conduit (Jesse Saint) 4. 04:41 PM - Aileron Pushrod Assemblies (McGANN, Ron) 5. 05:03 PM - Re: QB Wings conduit (Eric Large) 6. 05:07 PM - Cowl hinge shims (Chris , Susie Darcy) 7. 05:37 PM - Re: Cowl hinge shims (Tim Olson) 8. 05:38 PM - Re: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies (Tim Olson) 9. 06:02 PM - Re: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies (Larry Rosen) 10. 06:48 PM - Re: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies (John Dunne) 11. 08:12 PM - Re: QB Wings conduit (John Testement) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:04 AM PST US From: James Hein Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Skin Dimple Die Set --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein Jeff, I have already completed my tanks, and I did use the "tank dimple dies" for the ribs and stiffeners - but I used the regular dies for the skins so there would be room for the proseal between the parts. It worked great; No leaks at all when I tested the tanks. -Jim 40384 Jeff Carpenter wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter > > Cleaveland sells a "Tank Skin Dimple Die Set" that makes a deeper > dimple to allow room for the proseal. I'm about to dimple the tank > skins and am curious if those that have used it are happy they did > and those that didn't wish they had? Or, to ask the question another > way... is it worth the 36 bucks? > > The archive discusses this briefly... but the limited discussion > leads me to believe that most builders have done without it. > > Jeff Carpenter > 40304 > N410CF > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:31 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: QB Wings conduit From: "zackrv8" --> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" Rob, Get yourself a steel rod and make an extension for a UNIBIT. After enlarging the holes to 3/4 inch, put in Tenite Butyrate tubing. This stuff is very lightweight and strong, yet flexible. No snapbushing needed when using this tubing. Get the 1/32 wall thickness, 3/4 OD. Part number is 42124. http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=usplastic&category%5Fname=78&product%5Fid=4905 Joe -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=33258#33258 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:17 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Wings conduit Either an extension for a unibit or an angle drill that will hold it. For others, it would be a good idea to drill the holes to final size before riveting the ribs to the spar. Another suggestion is to cleco and match drill both top and bottom skins before riveting any of them. That makes it a lot easier to debur and dimple. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org 352-465-4545 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: QB Wings conduit Anyone with a tip for reaching the inboard ribs=92 snap bushing holes to enlarge them for conduit? Rob #392 Wings (and finishing a couple of empennage things) -- -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:58 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies From: "McGANN, Ron" Howdy all, I was working the aileron pushrod assemblies yesterday. Figure 2 of 39-2 indicates an F-1064 length of 12 5/8". The supplied F-1064 in my kit is 13 1/16" (for both pushrods). Interestingly, the supplied F-1065 is 20 1/2", the same as called for in the plans. When the 30 1/16" F-1064s are used with the 1/2" pushrod sleeves, the total assembly length comes in at 15 1/2", well over the 14 7/8" called for in the plans. If the two pushrod sleeves are removed, the assembly can easily be adjusted to 14 7/8". Photos attached. Obvious solution is to trim the F-1064s to the correct length. But these are pre drilled and threaded and trimming will also remove some of the thread. I don't know whether there will be sufficient thread depth if trimmed. The other option is to halve the size of the sleeves, or exclude them all together. Pictures on other web sites (eg Tim O.'s) have the collars included. If the F-1064 length is maintained at 13 1/16", why are the collars required? Have others experienced this problem? as always, thanks in advance Ron 187 fuse. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:51 PM PST US From: Eric Large Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Wings conduit I think I used the unibit in a small die grinder to add additional wire runs. Eric Large Jesse Saint wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Either an extension for a unibit or an angle drill that will hold it. For others, it would be a good idea to drill the holes to final size before riveting the ribs to the spar. Another suggestion is to cleco and match drill both top and bottom skins before riveting any of them. That makes it a lot easier to debur and dimple. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org 352-465-4545 --------------------------------- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: QB Wings conduit Anyone with a tip for reaching the inboard ribs snap bushing holes to enlarge them for conduit? Rob #392 Wings (and finishing a couple of empennage things) -- -- --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:25 PM PST US From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" Subject: RV10-List: Cowl hinge shims --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" Did anyone work out what you use for the shims for hinges on cowls.....checked archives and people seem to be using from trim bundle???? Chris 388 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:39 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cowl hinge shims --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Yep, use the trim bundle. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Chris , Susie Darcy wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" > > Did anyone work out what you use for the shims for hinges on > cowls.....checked archives and people seem to be using from trim bundle???? > > Chris 388 > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:48 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Ron, Wish I could be of more help and tell you if I cut them or not, but whatever I did, I had them be to the exact plans length, so there was no fudging involved. I wish I understood what that collar was for too. My only thought was that it perhaps shields things that could be rubbed by the threads on the rod end, but that would seem strange that you'd even have anything that close to the rod ends. Mine are loose on the part, since the jamb nut is up against the hex piece holding the rod end tight, so the other collars kind of float free a bit. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive McGANN, Ron wrote: > Howdy all, > > I was working the aileron pushrod assemblies yesterday. Figure 2 of > 39-2 indicates an F-1064 length of 12 5/8". The supplied F-1064 in my > kit is 13 1/16" (for both pushrods). Interestingly, the supplied F-1065 > is 20 1/2", the same as called for in the plans. > > When the 30 1/16" F-1064s are used with the 1/2" pushrod sleeves, the > total assembly length comes in at 15 1/2", well over the 14 7/8" called > for in the plans. If the two pushrod sleeves are removed, the assembly > can easily be adjusted to 14 7/8". Photos attached. > > Obvious solution is to trim the F-1064s to the correct length. But these > are pre drilled and threaded and trimming will also remove some of the > thread. I don't know whether there will be sufficient thread depth if > trimmed. The other option is to halve the size of the sleeves, or > exclude them all together. > > Pictures on other web sites (eg Tim O.'s) have the collars included. If > the F-1064 length is maintained at 13 1/16", why are the collars > required? Have others experienced this problem? > > as always, thanks in advance > > Ron > 187 fuse. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:38 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen I actually got one rod 12 5/8" and one 13 1/16", so I called Vans. They said they were changing to the longer rod and eliminating the sleeves. Just put them together with out the sleeves. Larry Rosen #356 McGANN, Ron wrote: > > Howdy all, > > I was working the aileron pushrod assemblies yesterday. Figure 2 of > 39-2 indicates an F-1064 length of 12 5/8". The supplied F-1064 in my > kit is 13 1/16" (for both pushrods). Interestingly, the supplied > F-1065 is 20 1/2", the same as called for in the plans. > > When the 30 1/16" F-1064s are used with the 1/2" pushrod sleeves, the > total assembly length comes in at 15 1/2", well over the 14 7/8" > called for in the plans. If the two pushrod sleeves are removed, the > assembly can easily be adjusted to 14 7/8". Photos attached. > > Obvious solution is to trim the F-1064s to the correct length. But > these are pre drilled and threaded and trimming will also remove some > of the thread. I don't know whether there will be sufficient thread > depth if trimmed. The other option is to halve the size of the > sleeves, or exclude them all together. > > Pictures on other web sites (eg Tim O.'s) have the collars included. > If the F-1064 length is maintained at 13 1/16", why are the collars > required? Have others experienced this problem? > > as always, thanks in advance > > Ron > 187 fuse. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:08 PM PST US From: "John Dunne" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies Hi Ron, I'm on this section as well. Mine were the longer rod and no collars (sleeves) John 40315 Do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron Sent: Monday, 8 May 2006 9:39 AM Subject: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies Howdy all, I was working the aileron pushrod assemblies yesterday. Figure 2 of 39-2 indicates an F-1064 length of 12 5/8". The supplied F-1064 in my kit is 13 1/16" (for both pushrods). Interestingly, the supplied F-1065 is 20 1/2", the same as called for in the plans. When the 30 1/16" F-1064s are used with the 1/2" pushrod sleeves, the total assembly length comes in at 15 1/2", well over the 14 7/8" called for in the plans. If the two pushrod sleeves are removed, the assembly can easily be adjusted to 14 7/8". Photos attached. Obvious solution is to trim the F-1064s to the correct length. But these are pre drilled and threaded and trimming will also remove some of the thread. I don't know whether there will be sufficient thread depth if trimmed. The other option is to halve the size of the sleeves, or exclude them all together. Pictures on other web sites (eg Tim O.'s) have the collars included. If the F-1064 length is maintained at 13 1/16", why are the collars required? Have others experienced this problem? as always, thanks in advance Ron 187 fuse. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:34 PM PST US From: "John Testement" Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Wings conduit I bought a long 3/8" bit to go through the 3 inboard ribs and a unibit with extension for the rest. John Testement HYPERLINK "mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com"jwt@roadmapscoaching.com 40321 Richmond, VA QB canopy install _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Large Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Wings conduit I think I used the unibit in a small die grinder to add additional wire runs. Eric Large Jesse Saint wrote: Either an extension for a unibit or an angle drill that will hold it. For others, it would be a good idea to drill the holes to final size before riveting the ribs to the spar. Another suggestion is to cleco and match drill both top and bottom skins before riveting any of them. That makes it a lot easier to debur and dimple. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org 352-465-4545 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: RV10-List: QB Wings conduit Anyone with a tip for reaching the inboard ribs=92 snap bushing holes to enlarge them for conduit? Rob #392 Wings (and finishing a couple of empennage things) -- -- _____ "http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt31132/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?pro= mote mail"Get it on your phone. -- --