---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/08/06: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:01 AM - Pneumatic squeezer (Michael Wellenzohn) 2. 12:36 AM - Re: Pneumatic squeezer (PJ Seipel) 3. 05:56 AM - Re: Pneumatic squeezer (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com) 4. 07:10 AM - Re: Pneumatic squeezer (Mike Lauritsen - Work) 5. 08:35 AM - Fuel Valve Extension (Conti, Rick) 6. 09:11 AM - Re: Fuel Valve Extension (Tim Olson) 7. 02:26 PM - fire supression (David McNeill) 8. 04:21 PM - Re: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies (McGANN, Ron) 9. 05:03 PM - Re: Performance numbers at highter alt. (Randy DeBauw) 10. 05:39 PM - Tank Baffle Orientation (Jeff Carpenter) 11. 06:04 PM - Off Field Landing (Robin Marks) 12. 06:10 PM - Re: Tank Baffle Orientation (Rick) 13. 06:14 PM - Re: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies (Rick) 14. 06:16 PM - Mag harness (Marcus Cooper) 15. 06:28 PM - Re: Off Field Landing (John W. Cox) 16. 06:35 PM - Re: Mag harness (Rob Kermanj) 17. 06:42 PM - Re: Mag harness (Marcus Cooper) 18. 07:00 PM - Re: Off Field Landing (David McNeill) 19. 07:14 PM - Re: Tank Baffle Orientation (Jesse Saint) 20. 07:39 PM - Re: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies (John Dunne) 21. 08:04 PM - [ Richard Dudley ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 22. 08:15 PM - Re: Mag harness (Tim Olson) 23. 09:54 PM - Re: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies (Eric Panning) 24. 10:19 PM - Re: Off Field Landing (Eric Panning) 25. 10:22 PM - Re: Performance numbers at highter alt. (Eric Panning) 26. 11:05 PM - Re: Off Field Landing (Ben Westfall) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:11 AM PST US From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Subject: RV10-List: Pneumatic squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: "Michael Wellenzohn" Hello everybody, after having solved my priming issue I started to hit my first rivets and it worked out pretty good. I still have one issue. I tried to use the pneumatic squeezer to squeeze the rivets AD4-7 but it didn't work. The squeezer didn't seem to have enough power although I set the pressure to 8 bar. Anybody any idea why it's not working? Michael Wellenzohn #40511 (VS) Zurich,Switzerland michael@wellenzohn.net www.wellenzohn.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:04 AM PST US From: PJ Seipel Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pneumatic squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: PJ Seipel You have the dies too close together, and the cam inside the squeezer can't get over center. The squeezer develops all of its force in the last 1/8" or so of travel. If you're using an adjustable set, back it off some. If you're using washers, take one or two out. PJ RV-10 #40032 Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Michael Wellenzohn" > > Hello everybody, after having solved my priming issue I started to hit my > first rivets and it worked out pretty good. I still have one issue. I tried > to use the pneumatic squeezer to squeeze the rivets AD4-7 but it didn't > work. The squeezer didn't seem to have enough power although I set the > pressure to 8 bar. Anybody any idea why it's not working? > > > Michael Wellenzohn > #40511 (VS) > Zurich,Switzerland > michael@wellenzohn.net > www.wellenzohn.net > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:17 AM PST US From: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pneumatic squeezer In a message dated 5/8/2006 3:02:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, michael@wellenzohn.net writes: The squeezer didn't seem to have enough power although I set the pressure to 8 bar. Anybody any idea why it's not working? The squeezer has its most power at the end of the stroke. If it hits the rivet too soon, it wont compress. Try on a scrap piece and open the gap up on the squezer... and make small incremental changes until it works,..... then rivet away. I remember a few places where i set a bunch of rivets and then reset the depth and re-squeezed to get the shop head to the right size... very easy second hit, as the rivet is not able to move. Steve ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:42 AM PST US From: "Mike Lauritsen - Work" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pneumatic squeezer The other replies are correct... The following table is a good starting place. It says hand squeezer but applies to both hand and pneumatic. If the list won't pass the table it can be found here: http://www.cleavelandtool.com/instructions/squeezer_setup_table.html Table Shows Mathematically Derived Gap Between Squeezer Sets for Various Rivet Sizes -3 Rivet Length -3.5 Rivet Length -4 Rivet Length -4.5 Rivet Length -5 Rivet Length -6 Rivet Length -7 Rivet Length 3/32" Diameter Rivet 3/32" 1/8" 5/32" 3/16" 7/32" 9/32" 11/32" 1/8" Diameter Rivet 1/16" 3/32" 1/8" 5/32" 3/16" 1/4" 5/16" The "Gap" referred to is the distance between the flat or cup sets when the handle is fully closed on the hand squeezer, and when the trigger is fully depressed on the pneumatic squeezer. These measurements are just a place to start and will vary with the exact material thickness, the flex of the squeezer yoke, mounting pins, internal part loading, and compression of the sets in the yoke and ram. If you start with these measurements you can measure the finished rivet with the rivet gauge, and adjust to fine tune. Mike Lauritsen Cleaveland Aircraft Tool 2225 First St. Boone, Iowa 50036 515-432-6794 mike@cleavelandtool.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wellenzohn Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:57 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pneumatic squeezer --> RV10-List message posted by: "Michael Wellenzohn" Hello everybody, after having solved my priming issue I started to hit my first rivets and it worked out pretty good. I still have one issue. I tried to use the pneumatic squeezer to squeeze the rivets AD4-7 but it didn't work. The squeezer didn't seem to have enough power although I set the pressure to 8 bar. Anybody any idea why it's not working? Michael Wellenzohn #40511 (VS) Zurich,Switzerland michael@wellenzohn.net www.wellenzohn.net = = = = ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:34 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Extension From: "Conti, Rick" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" Tim Olsen, I believe it was you who extended the fuel value stem to allow lowering the unit. Can you provide some info on the extension? Thank You Rick Conti Senior Engineering Manager The Boeing Company office: 703 - 414 - 6141 blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:58 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Extension --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Well, I was one of the early ones, or maybe the first...not sure, but it's gained a following... ;) Everyone I know of who's doing this is using the Andair valve, for which you can order a valve handle extension rod. You also get a different valve handle and bezel kit for use with the extension. In addition, depending on how you locate the valve, you may want the coupler or universal joint, but in my install I didn't use them. There are also a few misc. fitting changes you can do to further make the whole change, but that is on my site. You may wish to check with Neal George for the extensions if he has them in stock. Home - 334-262-8993 Cell - 334-546-2033 neal@appaero.com If not, you can get them from Andair http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html directly. Don't bother trying to call them as it's hard to get a hold of them. Just place the order via the web, but it may take a few weeks to get. Tim Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Conti, Rick wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" > > Tim Olsen, > > I believe it was you who extended the fuel value stem to allow lowering > the unit. Can you provide some info on the extension? > > Thank You > Rick Conti > Senior Engineering Manager > The Boeing Company > office: 703 - 414 - 6141 > blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:03 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Cc: Subject: RV10-List: fire supression Aileron Pushrod AssembliesHere is a picture of my system. lines will go though the firewall and be split between the air intake and the top of the engine; possibly a third line will go into the tunnel. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:49 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies From: "McGANN, Ron" All, For those yet to hit this point, response from Vans: "Current DWG 39-5 (Rev 1) shows 1064 13 1/8 for hex rod and overall length 14 7/8. F-1065 is hex rod: 20 1/2 and overall: 22 5/8. There are no sleeves, just rod-end bearings and jam nuts. If these lengths of pushrod are in your kit, I would expect DWG 39-5 to show this. Check to see if you have revision 1." I have rev 0 of the plans. Checked Vans website and there is no rev 1 in the "Service Information/Revisions" Section. Does anyone have a list of the CURRENT drawings by any chance? I wonder how many other drawings are out of date (a good chunk of Sections 26 and 29 I bet!) Ron -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Rosen Sent: Monday, 8 May 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen I actually got one rod 12 5/8" and one 13 1/16", so I called Vans. They said they were changing to the longer rod and eliminating the sleeves. Just put them together with out the sleeves. Larry Rosen #356 McGANN, Ron wrote: > > Howdy all, > > I was working the aileron pushrod assemblies yesterday. Figure 2 of > 39-2 indicates an F-1064 length of 12 5/8". The supplied F-1064 in my > kit is 13 1/16" (for both pushrods). Interestingly, the supplied > F-1065 is 20 1/2", the same as called for in the plans. > > When the 30 1/16" F-1064s are used with the 1/2" pushrod sleeves, the > total assembly length comes in at 15 1/2", well over the 14 7/8" > called for in the plans. If the two pushrod sleeves are removed, the > assembly can easily be adjusted to 14 7/8". Photos attached. > > Obvious solution is to trim the F-1064s to the correct length. But > these are pre drilled and threaded and trimming will also remove some > of the thread. I don't know whether there will be sufficient thread > depth if trimmed. The other option is to halve the size of the > sleeves, or exclude them all together. > > Pictures on other web sites (eg Tim O.'s) have the collars included. > If the F-1064 length is maintained at 13 1/16", why are the collars > required? Have others experienced this problem? > > as always, thanks in advance > > Ron > 187 fuse. > > = = = = ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:40 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt. From: "Randy DeBauw" The 198 mph number on my plane was before I found the rigging problem. After running the numbers Ken Kruger recommended that I check the rigging. On the way home from Oshkosh I found that the Ailerons were 3/8" of an inch down from the flaps. I must not of had the flaps all of the way up when I set the Ailerons to match. I have not rerun the flight test to get a more accurate number. Randy ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Verizon Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt. Randy; I saw this report about props somewhere in my researching the RV-10 to death. Seeing your plane was compared to Vic Syracuse and the company plane, wondering if you could expand on this report, how valid is it? Didn't see anything in the archives that covered if it did, please let me know where to look as I find the 11mph loss of the MT prop on Vic's plane compared to the 2 blade rather interesting. Thanks! Pascal ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy DeBauw To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt. 10.500 alt 20.6 mp 2300 rpm 12.4 gph 136 ind 162 adj 159 gs 10,520 alt. 11,390 density alt Dynon 136kts ind 160 kts adj. 155 kts gs. 12.2 gph 62% power 13,500 13,610 adj dynon 11.3 gph 18.3 mp 2300 rpm 130 kts ind. 162 kts adj 12 gph 151 kts gs (headwind) Randy N610RV ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:07 PM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: RV10-List: Tank Baffle Orientation --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter The lower flange of the tank baffle has two closely spaced holes at the center that match up with two closely spaced holes on the bottom of the tank skin. I've managed to assemble and drill the tank baffle to the ribs, Attach Z's and skin with the two closely spaced holes of the baffle facing up instead of down. This is the only asymmetrical aspect of the baffle orientation that I can see. It seems that the solution is to drill out the 2nd holes and put in an extra rivet. Does anyone see a problem with this? Jeff Carpenter 40304 N410CF ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:35 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Off Field Landing From: "Robin Marks" Does anyone have information about an off field landing of an RV-10 in the west about 2 weeks ago? I heard from a local pilot that a -10 that had recently visited SBP (San Luis Obispo) then later in the week made a forced landing due to engine failure. The local pilot had strong feelings that the failure was related to fuel vapor lock. I am sorry for the sketchy information but it would be of benefit to learn the particulars. Robin RV-6A 300 hours RV-10 Tail Feathers ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:15 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tank Baffle Orientation --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Jeff, That extra hole determines the top of the baffle, look at your skins and you will see that there are two holes close to each other on one side of the skin about midway and not the other side of the skin. Make sure you get the baffle in the right orientation or you will match drill an extra hole where you don't need one....ask me how I know. Rick S. 40185 Fuse/finishing ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:49 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:13 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RV10-List: Mag harness --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" This is probably going to fall under the "stupid question" category, but I have a Slick Magneto and the wiring harness came separately. There doesn't seem to be any key or marking showing what direction it should be mounted, although it could be I just can't see it due to the proximity to the firewall. My obvious choice was to put the "LH" label on the outside. Any other suggestions. Thanks, Marcus Fuselage going to the hanger soon, wiring almost complete ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:14 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Off Field Landing From: "John W. Cox" James Rore (N728DD), Albert Cook (N329BC), Leroy Williams (N231LD), Ed McGinty (N770BD), Mark Christiansen (N104ML), Doug Petersen (N410DP), or Randy DeBauw (N610RV) would be the seven logicals on the West Coast (from the builder names in my database). Sounds like Randy is fine. Mark are you out there? John - KUAO Do not Archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: Off Field Landing Does anyone have information about an off field landing of an RV-10 in the west about 2 weeks ago? I heard from a local pilot that a -10 that had recently visited SBP (San Luis Obispo) then later in the week made a forced landing due to engine failure. The local pilot had strong feelings that the failure was related to fuel vapor lock. I am sorry for the sketchy information but it would be of benefit to learn the particulars. Robin RV-6A 300 hours RV-10 Tail Feathers ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:30 PM PST US From: "Rob Kermanj" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mag harness --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" I believe that there is only one way that the harness will fit the back of the mags. Look carefully and you might be able to match the screw pattern and back of the mag with the aid of a mirror. Do not archive. On 5/8/06, Marcus Cooper wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" > > This is probably going to fall under the "stupid question" category, but I > have a Slick Magneto and the wiring harness came separately. There doesn't > seem to be any key or marking showing what direction it should be mounted, > although it could be I just can't see it due to the proximity to the > firewall. My obvious choice was to put the "LH" label on the outside. Any > other suggestions. > > Thanks, > Marcus > Fuselage going to the hanger soon, wiring almost complete > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:25 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Mag harness --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" Thanks, I figured it would be something like that but the screw pattern SEEMED symmetrical. I'll take a closer look. Marcus Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:34 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mag harness --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" I believe that there is only one way that the harness will fit the back of the mags. Look carefully and you might be able to match the screw pattern and back of the mag with the aid of a mirror. Do not archive. On 5/8/06, Marcus Cooper wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" > > This is probably going to fall under the "stupid question" category, but I > have a Slick Magneto and the wiring harness came separately. There doesn't > seem to be any key or marking showing what direction it should be mounted, > although it could be I just can't see it due to the proximity to the > firewall. My obvious choice was to put the "LH" label on the outside. Any > other suggestions. > > Thanks, > Marcus > Fuselage going to the hanger soon, wiring almost complete > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:21 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Off Field Landing I just ran the NTSB stats for the last two months. About 25 accidents/incidents for homebuilts but no RV10s. ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. Cox To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Off Field Landing James Rore (N728DD), Albert Cook (N329BC), Leroy Williams (N231LD), Ed McGinty (N770BD), Mark Christiansen (N104ML), Doug Petersen (N410DP), or Randy DeBauw (N610RV) would be the seven logicals on the West Coast (from the builder names in my database). Sounds like Randy is fine. Mark are you out there? John - KUAO Do not Archive ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:03 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Off Field Landing Does anyone have information about an off field landing of an RV-10 in the west about 2 weeks ago? I heard from a local pilot that a -10 that had recently visited SBP (San Luis Obispo) then later in the week made a forced landing due to engine failure. The local pilot had strong feelings that the failure was related to fuel vapor lock. I am sorry for the sketchy information but it would be of benefit to learn the particulars. Robin RV-6A 300 hours RV-10 Tail Feathers ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:48 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tank Baffle Orientation --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" We put it in wrong to start with, but then realized the error and flipped it, drilled the extra hole in the side that didn't need it, and riveted it correctly as it should have been. The plans don't say anything about that orientation and I couldn't see any difference, but just to be safe, we riveted it the way it should have been based on the holes and now have an extra rivet on the other side. Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org 352-465-4545 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 7:37 PM Subject: RV10-List: Tank Baffle Orientation --> RV10-List message posted by: Jeff Carpenter The lower flange of the tank baffle has two closely spaced holes at the center that match up with two closely spaced holes on the bottom of the tank skin. I've managed to assemble and drill the tank baffle to the ribs, Attach Z's and skin with the two closely spaced holes of the baffle facing up instead of down. This is the only asymmetrical aspect of the baffle orientation that I can see. It seems that the solution is to drill out the 2nd holes and put in an extra rivet. Does anyone see a problem with this? Jeff Carpenter 40304 N410CF -- -- ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:44 PM PST US From: "John Dunne" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies RE: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod AssembliesRon, My plans are marked 39-5 Rev 1. As for sections 26 thru 29 revs as per the Vans web listing. John 40315 ----- Original Message ----- From: McGANN, Ron To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies All, For those yet to hit this point, response from Vans: "Current DWG 39-5 (Rev 1) shows 1064 13 1/8 for hex rod and overall length 14 7/8. F-1065 is hex rod: 20 1/2 and overall: 22 5/8. There are no sleeves, just rod-end bearings and jam nuts. If these lengths of pushrod are in your kit, I would expect DWG 39-5 to show this. Check to see if you have revision 1." I have rev 0 of the plans. Checked Vans website and there is no rev 1 in the "Service Information/Revisions" Section. Does anyone have a list of the CURRENT drawings by any chance? I wonder how many other drawings are out of date (a good chunk of Sections 26 and 29 I bet!) Ron -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Rosen Sent: Monday, 8 May 2006 10:31 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen I actually got one rod 12 5/8" and one 13 1/16", so I called Vans. They said they were changing to the longer rod and eliminating the sleeves. Just put them together with out the sleeves. Larry Rosen #356 McGANN, Ron wrote: > > Howdy all, > > I was working the aileron pushrod assemblies yesterday. Figure 2 of > 39-2 indicates an F-1064 length of 12 5/8". The supplied F-1064 in my > kit is 13 1/16" (for both pushrods). Interestingly, the supplied > F-1065 is 20 1/2", the same as called for in the plans. > > When the 30 1/16" F-1064s are used with the 1/2" pushrod sleeves, the > total assembly length comes in at 15 1/2", well over the 14 7/8" > called for in the plans. If the two pushrod sleeves are removed, the > assembly can easily be adjusted to 14 7/8". Photos attached. > > Obvious solution is to trim the F-1064s to the correct length. But > these are pre drilled and threaded and trimming will also remove some > of the thread. I don't know whether there will be sufficient thread > depth if trimmed. The other option is to halve the size of the > sleeves, or exclude them all together. > > Pictures on other web sites (eg Tim O.'s) have the collars included. > If the F-1064 length is maintained at 13 1/16", why are the collars > required? Have others experienced this problem? > > as always, thanks in advance > > Ron > 187 fuse. > > > > > > > browse Subscriptions page, Chat, FAQ, HREF"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.c= om/Navigator?RV10-List Wiki! HREF"http://wiki.matronics.com">http://wiki.matronics.com support! HREF"http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/cont= ribution ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:41 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: [ Richard Dudley ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> RV10-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Richard Dudley Lists: AeroElectric-List,RV3-List,RV4-List,RV6-List,RV7-List,RV8-List,RV9-List,RV10-List,RV-List Subject: Groundpower jack http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/rhdudley1@bellsouth.net.05.08.2006/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:49 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mag harness --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Marcus, Rob's right, there's definitely only one way that will properly fit. Other orientations look close, but none will be just right except for the one. It is definitely very hard to see from the angles you're able to get to look. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Marcus Cooper wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" > > Thanks, I figured it would be something like that but the screw pattern > SEEMED symmetrical. I'll take a closer look. > > Marcus > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:34 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mag harness > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" > > I believe that there is only one way that the harness will fit the > back of the mags. Look carefully and you might be able to match the > screw pattern and back of the mag with the aid of a mirror. > > Do not archive. > > On 5/8/06, Marcus Cooper wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" >> >> This is probably going to fall under the "stupid question" category, but I >> have a Slick Magneto and the wiring harness came separately. There > doesn't >> seem to be any key or marking showing what direction it should be mounted, >> although it could be I just can't see it due to the proximity to the >> firewall. My obvious choice was to put the "LH" label on the outside. > Any >> other suggestions. >> >> Thanks, >> Marcus >> Fuselage going to the hanger soon, wiring almost complete >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:05 PM PST US From: Eric Panning Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning The next "challenge" you will find is when aileron pushrods get installed onto the wing. I suspect that everyone without a teardrop shaped aperture on the rear spar will be doing some grinding soon... The point of the "drop" goes a little into the hinge itself. You can mount it up and see the clearance issue right away with the retangular hole that came stock from Van's. Randy had to widen. I will on kit 40150. Factory plane also has this cut out to a tear drop shape to prevent rubbing/binding. I snapped a pic of this awhile ago on the factory plane. Not sure why this is not a revision from Van's. Perhaps it has changed on kits beyond mine? I pointed it out here about 2-3 months ago when I was worried about the range of travel for autopilots and worked with Randy to get the numbers for his. Make sure you have full range of travel without any rubbing or binding. To check full range to need wings linked or measure angles. There is only one hard stop for travel per wing (together they are full stops) Eric --- Rick wrote: --------------------------------- --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Ron, I love when you get to the next step the day before me!!! :) My 1064 rods are 13-1/8" if I went off the plans I would have had to cut them to 12-5/8" and use bushings. Thanks to your post...I don't have to make the bushings or cut the rods!!!! Thanks Mate!!! This time you saved me!! One more Shrimp on the Barbie I owe ya!! Rick S. 40185 Fuse/Finishing ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:15 PM PST US From: Eric Panning Subject: Re: RV10-List: Off Field Landing --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning Might not have been reported. Even if it did not happen, or was not fuel system related it is worth mentioning that it is shaping up to be a hot summer. As was discussed earlier - autofuel has higher vapor pressure but even 100LL can run into problems. High alt, high temp (+ a hot tunnel) can contribute. I believe the Eggenfellner crowd discovered one weakness of pumps is they will not pump vapor... One of the reasons I'm considering a return line to the tank (New ECi systems requires this). More flow of "cool" fuel and an outlet for vapor. Perhaps someone has or could build a table of fuel temp, altitude and risk of vapor lock? anyone measure fuel temps at the pump or ? I think the conclusion of the Egg crowd was to minimize any obstructions before the pump inlet (as this is usually at an even lower pressure). They also added a bypass line to the fuel rail to allow some fuel (or vapor) to bypass the regulator. Weakness of an auto regulator is it will hold vapor just as well as fuel at line pressure.... Car's solved this problem years ago - they put the high pressure pump in the gas tank and also use a check valve to maintain line pressure. This keeps line pressurized even with high vapor pressure winter mix in hot climates. Petersen (sp?) has a number of STC's for GA auto fuel and some systems don't qualify as the stock system is judged marginal with 100LL. My cherokee 180 fits this description. I recall if vapor lock is suspected the recovery is to apply > 75% power, full rich, with cowl vents open, etc. and level flight or decent as able, etc. Idea is to get more "cool" fuel from the tank to an engine set up for a configuration that has max air cooling. Pulling power might makes things worse as line pressure drops. Stock RV-10 config is low pressure to the engine pump with a back up electric (in a hot tunnel for some people) There is a fuel temp where safe flight is not possible - it would be good for the RV-10 crowd to work out what that is and make sure there is a comfortable margin. Eric (40150) --- David McNeill wrote: > I just ran the NTSB stats for the last two months. > About 25 accidents/incidents for homebuilts but no > RV10s. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John W. Cox > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:27 PM > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Off Field Landing > > > James Rore (N728DD), Albert Cook (N329BC), Leroy > Williams (N231LD), Ed McGinty (N770BD), Mark > Christiansen (N104ML), Doug Petersen (N410DP), or > Randy DeBauw (N610RV) would be the seven logicals on > the West Coast (from the builder names in my > database). Sounds like Randy is fine. Mark are you > out there? > > > > John - KUAO > > Do not Archive > > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:03 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Off Field Landing > > > > Does anyone have information about an off field > landing of an RV-10 in the west about 2 weeks ago? I > heard from a local pilot that a -10 that had > recently visited SBP (San Luis Obispo) then later in > the week made a forced landing due to engine > failure. The local pilot had strong feelings that > the failure was related to fuel vapor lock. > > I am sorry for the sketchy information but it > would be of benefit to learn the particulars. > > > > Robin > > RV-6A 300 hours > > RV-10 Tail Feathers > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:03 PM PST US From: Eric Panning Subject: RE: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter alt. --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning I thought at one point the RV-10 was going to have a negative flap position for better cruise speeds. Does anyone recall this as well? is full up zero or slightly negative? Eric --- Randy DeBauw wrote: > The 198 mph number on my plane was before I found > the rigging problem. > After running the numbers Ken Kruger recommended > that I check the > rigging. On the way home from Oshkosh I found that > the Ailerons were > 3/8" of an inch down from the flaps. I must not of > had the flaps all of > the way up when I set the Ailerons to match. I have > not rerun the > flight test to get a more accurate number. Randy > > > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Verizon > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:17 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance numbers at > highter alt. > > > > Randy; > > I saw this report about props somewhere in my > researching the RV-10 to > death. Seeing your plane was compared to Vic > Syracuse and the company > plane, wondering if you could expand on this report, > how valid is it? > > Didn't see anything in the archives that covered if > it did, please let > me know where to look as I find the 11mph loss of > the MT prop on Vic's > plane compared to the 2 blade rather interesting. > > Thanks! > > Pascal > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Randy DeBauw > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 10:35 AM > > Subject: RV10-List: Performance numbers at highter > alt. > > > > 10.500 alt > > 20.6 mp > > 2300 rpm > > 12.4 gph > > 136 ind > > 162 adj > > 159 gs > > > > 10,520 alt. > > 11,390 density alt Dynon > > 136kts ind > > 160 kts adj. > > 155 kts gs. > > 12.2 gph > > 62% power > > > > 13,500 > > 13,610 adj dynon > > 11.3 gph > > 18.3 mp > > 2300 rpm > > 130 kts ind. > > 162 kts adj > > 12 gph > > 151 kts gs (headwind) > > > > Randy N610RV > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:32 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Off Field Landing When I test flew the 10 on April 21st and ordered my kit the guys at Van's had just heard about it. Whoever's plane it was called to order a new gear leg. Apparently that was the only part "tweaked" in the incident. I think they said it was one that was built by a guy in California and then sold? Tough to say if I have the story right cause I was still grinning from ear to ear after the "launch" off the runway in 410RV. Ben Westfall #40579 VS ready for rivets. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: Off Field Landing Does anyone have information about an off field landing of an RV-10 in the west about 2 weeks ago? I heard from a local pilot that a -10 that had recently visited SBP (San Luis Obispo) then later in the week made a forced landing due to engine failure. The local pilot had strong feelings that the failure was related to fuel vapor lock. I am sorry for the sketchy information but it would be of benefit to learn the particulars. Robin RV-6A 300 hours RV-10 Tail Feathers