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1. 05:00 AM - Re: Off Field LandingOff Field Landing (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 07:03 AM - Re: Nose wheel stem clearance (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
3. 07:18 AM - Paint (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
4. 08:11 AM - Re: Paint (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
5. 08:24 AM - Re: Paint (Rene Felker)
6. 10:04 AM - Re: Nose wheel stem clearance (Tim Olson)
7. 10:38 AM - Re: Paint (Pascal Reid)
8. 10:46 AM - Re: Nose wheel stem clearance (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
9. 10:48 AM - Re: Extra Parts (was Nose wheel stem clearance) (Richard Reynolds)
10. 10:55 AM - Rear seat belts (John Hasbrouck)
11. 12:03 PM - Re: Rear seat belts (Chris Johnston)
12. 12:22 PM - Re: Rear seat belts (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
13. 04:35 PM - Engine prices (McGANN, Ron)
14. 04:52 PM - Re: Engine prices (Jesse Saint)
15. 04:55 PM - Re: Engine prices (Deems Davis)
16. 04:56 PM - Re: Rear seat belts (Tim Olson)
17. 05:11 PM - Re: Engine prices (McGANN, Ron)
18. 05:54 PM - Interior (Jesse Saint)
19. 06:47 PM - Re: Engine prices (Marcus Cooper)
20. 07:10 PM - Re: Engine prices (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
21. 07:38 PM - Re: Engine prices (Marcus Cooper)
22. 08:22 PM - Re: Engine prices (Tim Olson)
23. 08:39 PM - Re: Engine prices (McGANN, Ron)
24. 08:45 PM - Re: Engine prices (Richard Sipp)
25. 08:56 PM - Re: Engine prices (Richard Sipp)
26. 09:04 PM - Re: Engine prices (David McNeill)
27. 09:19 PM - Re: Engine prices (Tim Olson)
28. 09:21 PM - Re: Engine prices (Tim Olson)
29. 09:26 PM - Re: Rear seat belts (Robert G. Wright)
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| Subject: | Re: Off Field LandingOff Field Landing |
I for one have not flown in a 10. Alex De Dominicis and Rus Daves have
told me there going to fly over and give me a ride though.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Nose wheel stem clearance |
I've pretty well done with my RV-10 and I still have parts
left I haven't used. I have marked off each paragraph as I completed it
and then each page once I complete everything on it. I have not done
the wheel pants or gearleg fairing and intersect fairing yet, but I have
quantity 4 -> 3/8" nutplates that I haven't used yet and don't see
where they would be used on the wheel pants or gearleg fairing etc.
Does anyone have any idea where they would be used?
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (W & B this weekend)
N519RV
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Anyone have a recommendation for a book on "How to paint an airplane?"
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nose wheel stem clearance
I've pretty well done with my RV-10 and I still have parts
left I haven't used. I have marked off each paragraph as I completed it
and then each page once I complete everything on it. I have not done
the wheel pants or gearleg fairing and intersect fairing yet, but I have
quantity 4 -> 3/8" nutplates that I haven't used yet and don't see
where they would be used on the wheel pants or gearleg fairing etc.
Does anyone have any idea where they would be used?
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (W & B this weekend)
N519RV
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Good timing, I ordered some videos last week based on recommendations
on one of the other lists. They are the videos from
www.paintucation.com <http://www.paintucation.com/> and also the Sam
James vids, I think from Builders Bookstore. The James videos haven't
arrived yet but I have had a chance to watch some of the Paintucation
videos and found them to be very good. I consider myself to be at the
armature level (compared to knowing nothing or doing it for a living)
when it comes to painting and body work, and have had my share of
painting in the past, but still learned plenty of good stuff from these.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive
Recent RV-10 Build Activity
<http://www.mykitlog.com/display_project.php?project_id22>
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Paint
Anyone have a recommendation for a book on "How to paint an airplane?"
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nose wheel stem clearance
I've pretty well done with my RV-10 and I still have parts
left I haven't used. I have marked off each paragraph as I completed it
and then each page once I complete everything on it. I have not done
the wheel pants or gearleg fairing and intersect fairing yet, but I have
quantity 4 -> 3/8" nutplates that I haven't used yet and don't see
where they would be used on the wheel pants or gearleg fairing etc.
Does anyone have any idea where they would be used?
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (W & B this weekend)
N519RV
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I got the abbreviated version. Call local RV builders, get the name of the
person that painted their airplane. I am going with a local auto body shop
who has painted several RV's. I will have the first components to his shop
by the end of the month. Maybe I am just to chicken to do it myself, my
priming looks bad enough.
Rene' Felker
40322
Fuselage, bottom wing skins, finish
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Paint
Anyone have a recommendation for a book on "How to paint an airplane?"
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nose wheel stem clearance
I've pretty well done with my RV-10 and I still have parts left
I haven't used. I have marked off each paragraph as I completed it and then
each page once I complete everything on it. I have not done the wheel pants
or gearleg fairing and intersect fairing yet, but I have quantity 4 -> 3/8"
nutplates that I haven't used yet and don't see where they would be used on
the wheel pants or gearleg fairing etc. Does anyone have any idea where
they would be used?
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (W & B this weekend)
N519RV
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| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel stem clearance |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Are you sure they're 3/8" nutplates? That sounds huge.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> Ive pretty well done with my RV-10 and I still have parts
> left I havent used. I have marked off each paragraph as I completed it
> and then each page once I complete everything on it. I have not done
> the wheel pants or gearleg fairing and intersect fairing yet, but I have
> quantity 4 -> 3/8 nutplates that I havent used yet and dont see
> where they would be used on the wheel pants or gearleg fairing etc.
> Does anyone have any idea where they would be used?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You
>
> Ray Doerr
>
> 40250 (W & B this weekend)
>
> N519RV
>
>
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Assuming you're a EAA member there are numerous articles from Tony
Bengilis and Ron Alexander on this topic to get you started.
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/painting/articles.html
If the link doesn't work (should ask for you to log in than take you to
the articles)
it's under
Homebuilts/building/painting
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From: Tim Dawson-Townsend
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Paint
Anyone have a recommendation for a book on "How to paint an airplane?"
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:59 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nose wheel stem clearance
I've pretty well done with my RV-10 and I still have parts
left I haven't used. I have marked off each paragraph as I completed it
and then each page once I complete everything on it. I have not done
the wheel pants or gearleg fairing and intersect fairing yet, but I have
quantity 4 -> 3/8" nutplates that I haven't used yet and don't see
where they would be used on the wheel pants or gearleg fairing etc.
Does anyone have any idea where they would be used?
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (W & B this weekend)
N519RV
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| Subject: | Nose wheel stem clearance |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com>
They are. I suppose Van's could have sent me some -6 nutplates
3/8" instead of -06 which are 6/32.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nose wheel stem clearance
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Are you sure they're 3/8" nutplates? That sounds huge.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> I've pretty well done with my RV-10 and I still have parts
> left I haven't used. I have marked off each paragraph as I completed
it
> and then each page once I complete everything on it. I have not done
> the wheel pants or gearleg fairing and intersect fairing yet, but I
have
> quantity 4 -> 3/8" nutplates that I haven't used yet and don't see
> where they would be used on the wheel pants or gearleg fairing etc.
> Does anyone have any idea where they would be used?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You
>
> Ray Doerr
>
> 40250 (W & B this weekend)
>
> N519RV
>
>
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>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Extra Parts (was Nose wheel stem clearance) |
You could start another plane.
do not archive
Richard Reynolds
On May 10, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
> I=92ve pretty well done with my RV-10 and I still have
> parts left I haven=92t used. I have marked off each paragraph as I
> completed it and then each page once I complete everything on it.
> I have not done the wheel pants or gearleg fairing and intersect
> fairing yet, but I have quantity 4 -> 3/8=94 nutplates that I
> haven=92t used yet and don=92t see where they would be used on the
> wheel pants or gearleg fairing etc. Does anyone have any idea
> where they would be used?
>
>
> Thank You
>
> Ray Doerr
>
> 40250 (W & B this weekend)
>
> N519RV
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
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Looking for suggestions re: rear seat belts and the need to attach the
crotch strap lugs when building the fuse. Are you using belt systems
that require the crotch strap or is it just going to be in the way.
There was a little discussion about this a while back but I'm interested
in opinions now that more -10s are flying.
John Hasbrouck
#40264 ( fuse. guess which part )
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After a bit of thought and info, I've left my crotchstrap brackets off.
I've heard about people either removing them, not installing them, or
scraping their knees on them.
cj
#40410
wings/fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hasbrouck
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Rear seat belts
Looking for suggestions re: rear seat belts and the need to attach the
crotch strap lugs when building the fuse. Are you using belt systems
that require the crotch strap or is it just going to be in the way.
There was a little discussion about this a while back but I'm interested
in opinions now that more -10s are flying.
John Hasbrouck
#40264 ( fuse. guess which part )
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So you're saying you prefer to be "crotchless"? ; )
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Johnston
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear seat belts
After a bit of thought and info, I've left my crotchstrap brackets off.
I've heard about people either removing them, not installing them, or
scraping their knees on them.
cj
#40410
wings/fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hasbrouck
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Rear seat belts
Looking for suggestions re: rear seat belts and the need to attach the
crotch strap lugs when building the fuse. Are you using belt systems
that require the crotch strap or is it just going to be in the way.
There was a little discussion about this a while back but I'm interested
in opinions now that more -10s are flying.
John Hasbrouck
#40264 ( fuse. guess which part )
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G'day all,
Time to spend some BIG bucks.
Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential between
the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus Mattitucks TMXIO540
at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession (Electronic Systems) and
this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to me. I am totally ignorant on
all engine related issues, so be gentle . . .
thanks in advance,
Ron
#187
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Van=92s is a certified version of the IO-540. Mattituck is Lycoming=92s
experimental version. I don=92t know on the Aerosport, but I assume
they are
also with the experimental. Don=92t know the reason for the $8K
difference
between Mattituck and Aerosport. I know BPA costs more than Mattituck,
and
you get more services for the price, which Allen would be happy to
explain
if you contact him. I don=92t know almost anything about Aerosport.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine prices
G'day all,
Time to spend some BIG bucks.
Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential between
the
Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus Mattitucks TMXIO540 at
$34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession (Electronic Systems) and this
'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to me. I am totally ignorant on all
engine related issues, so be gentle . . .
thanks in advance,
Ron
#187
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| Subject: | Re: Engine prices |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Van's price is for a certified Lycoming. the Aero Sport and Mattituck
are experimantal (i.e. the name plate on the engine is from the engine
builder vs Lycoming. They are built from kits that the engine builders
get from Lycoming which contain new parts. There was a price increase
not too long ago and it has taken some time for the builders to update
their web sites. I suspect that Mattitucks price is now closer to
Aerosport, BPS, G&N etc.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
McGANN, Ron wrote:
> G'day all,
>
> Time to spend some BIG bucks.
>
> Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential
> between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus
> Mattitucks TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession
> (Electronic Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to
> me. I am totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle
> . . .
>
> thanks in advance,
> Ron
> #187
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rear seat belts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'd be interested to hear how many people actually put those knee
breaking lugs. I haven't ever heard much support for them.
Even my 4 and 7 year olds don't have a chance of submarining out
from the seats if they're buckled in properly. Personally,
there's no chance I'd ever put them in.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Hasbrouck wrote:
> Looking for suggestions re: rear seat belts and the need to attach the
> crotch strap lugs when building the fuse. Are you using belt systems
> that require the crotch strap or is it just going to be in the way.
> There was a little discussion about this a while back but I'm interested
> in opinions now that more -10s are flying.
>
> John Hasbrouck
> #40264 ( fuse. guess which part )
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There's only ~$1K difference between the Vans and Aerosport engines, yet
Vans is certified. Why would anyone buy an experimental from Aero
Sport?? What are the extra 'bangs' that you get for your Aero Sport
'bucks'??
The high performance BPA engine looks like a great package, but throw in
the required ceramic exhaust and a non standard cowl and it becomes an
expensive proposition.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Van's price is for a certified Lycoming. the Aero Sport and Mattituck
are experimantal (i.e. the name plate on the engine is from the engine
builder vs Lycoming. They are built from kits that the engine builders
get from Lycoming which contain new parts. There was a price increase
not too long ago and it has taken some time for the builders to update
their web sites. I suspect that Mattitucks price is now closer to
Aerosport, BPS, G&N etc.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
McGANN, Ron wrote:
> G'day all,
>
> Time to spend some BIG bucks.
>
> Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential
> between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus
> Mattitucks TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession
> (Electronic Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to
> me. I am totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle
> . . .
>
> thanks in advance,
> Ron
> #187
>
=
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Attached is a little picture of our seats. Gotta love that leather. Keep
working. It is a lot of fun when you get to this point.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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I haven't looked at the prices lately to be honest, but when I ordered
my
Aerosport it was quite a bit cheaper when you factor in all the options.
The trick is to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. For
example,
the Aerosport engines come balanced, the others (at least when I was
looking), charged extra and of course is not available on a factory
engine.
Electronic ignition is another differentiator. I would recommend
getting a
breakout of all the prices, options and what's included then do a good
comparison. One thing I was impressed with was Aerosport's 3 year
warranty
from first flight. That exceeded the others I looked at.
Marcus
Do Not Archive.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
There's only ~$1K difference between the Vans and Aerosport engines, yet
Vans is certified. Why would anyone buy an experimental from Aero
Sport??
What are the extra 'bangs' that you get for your Aero Sport 'bucks'??
The high performance BPA engine looks like a great package, but throw in
the
required ceramic exhaust and a non standard cowl and it becomes an
expensive
proposition.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Van's price is for a certified Lycoming. the Aero Sport and Mattituck
are experimantal (i.e. the name plate on the engine is from the engine
builder vs Lycoming. They are built from kits that the engine builders
get from Lycoming which contain new parts. There was a price increase
not too long ago and it has taken some time for the builders to update
their web sites. I suspect that Mattitucks price is now closer to
Aerosport, BPS, G&N etc.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
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McGANN, Ron wrote:
> G'day all,
>
> Time to spend some BIG bucks.
>
> Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential
> between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus
> Mattitucks TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession
> (Electronic Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to
> me. I am totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle
> . . .
>
> thanks in advance,
> Ron
> #187
>
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Aerosport does rebuilt engines, too, right?
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Wed 5/10/2006 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
I haven't looked at the prices lately to be honest, but when I ordered
my
Aerosport it was quite a bit cheaper when you factor in all the options.
The trick is to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. For
example,
the Aerosport engines come balanced, the others (at least when I was
looking), charged extra and of course is not available on a factory
engine.
Electronic ignition is another differentiator. I would recommend
getting a
breakout of all the prices, options and what's included then do a good
comparison. One thing I was impressed with was Aerosport's 3 year
warranty
from first flight. That exceeded the others I looked at.
Marcus
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
There's only ~$1K difference between the Vans and Aerosport engines, yet
Vans is certified. Why would anyone buy an experimental from Aero
Sport??
What are the extra 'bangs' that you get for your Aero Sport 'bucks'??
The high performance BPA engine looks like a great package, but throw in
the
required ceramic exhaust and a non standard cowl and it becomes an
expensive
proposition.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Van's price is for a certified Lycoming. the Aero Sport and Mattituck
are experimantal (i.e. the name plate on the engine is from the engine
builder vs Lycoming. They are built from kits that the engine builders
get from Lycoming which contain new parts. There was a price increase
not too long ago and it has taken some time for the builders to update
their web sites. I suspect that Mattitucks price is now closer to
Aerosport, BPS, G&N etc.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
McGANN, Ron wrote:
> G'day all,
>
> Time to spend some BIG bucks.
>
> Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential
> between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus
> Mattitucks TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession
> (Electronic Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to
> me. I am totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle
> . . .
>
> thanks in advance,
> Ron
> #187
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
Yes, they do sell rebuilt engines. The potential snag is a delay finding a
core. I wasn't willing to wait so went for the "kit" engine. When I
ordered the engine last Nov, the delay could be at least 3 months to find a
core. If not in a hurry I'm sure that would save some $$$.
Marcus
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From: Tim Dawson-Townsend [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
Aerosport does rebuilt engines, too, right?
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Wed 5/10/2006 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
I haven't looked at the prices lately to be honest, but when I ordered my
Aerosport it was quite a bit cheaper when you factor in all the options.
The trick is to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. For example,
the Aerosport engines come balanced, the others (at least when I was
looking), charged extra and of course is not available on a factory engine.
Electronic ignition is another differentiator. I would recommend getting a
breakout of all the prices, options and what's included then do a good
comparison. One thing I was impressed with was Aerosport's 3 year warranty
from first flight. That exceeded the others I looked at.
Marcus
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
There's only ~$1K difference between the Vans and Aerosport engines, yet
Vans is certified. Why would anyone buy an experimental from Aero Sport??
What are the extra 'bangs' that you get for your Aero Sport 'bucks'??
The high performance BPA engine looks like a great package, but throw in the
required ceramic exhaust and a non standard cowl and it becomes an expensive
proposition.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Van's price is for a certified Lycoming. the Aero Sport and Mattituck
are experimantal (i.e. the name plate on the engine is from the engine
builder vs Lycoming. They are built from kits that the engine builders
get from Lycoming which contain new parts. There was a price increase
not too long ago and it has taken some time for the builders to update
their web sites. I suspect that Mattitucks price is now closer to
Aerosport, BPS, G&N etc.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
McGANN, Ron wrote:
> G'day all,
>
> Time to spend some BIG bucks.
>
> Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential
> between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus
> Mattitucks TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession
> (Electronic Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to
> me. I am totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle
> . . .
>
> thanks in advance,
> Ron
> #187
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
When I bought, I paid many thousand less at the time. And Marcus
is right that it isn't really apples to apples. The new Lycs
would just come with mags, and nothing too special. On mine,
I got precision balancing, porting, flow matching injectors,
Titan cylinders....not standard, Lightspeed Plasma III including
having the system mounted and the ring gear drilled. Starter,
oil filter adapter, and reiff preheat system. All for the
price at the time of $33.5K ballpark. At that time, that
was a fairly good deal. Today it would be a steal. I actually
get some comfort from the fact that mine was a rebuild with
all parts to new limits....at least I know my crank isn't on
the lycoming list....not that the new ones are bad. But, in
order to make a brand new Lycoming equivalent to one of the
quality rebuilds from Aerosport or Barrett, you'd have to put
a bit more money into it and have someone tear it down and
start over on some items like the balancing. Also, ask about
3-angle valve jobs and such...you'll find comparing engine
deals gets a bit tougher when you look for some of the special
items.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Marcus Cooper wrote:
> I havent looked at the prices lately to be honest, but when I ordered
> my Aerosport it was quite a bit cheaper when you factor in all the
> options. The trick is to make sure you are comparing apples to apples.
> For example, the Aerosport engines come balanced, the others (at least
> when I was looking), charged extra and of course is not available on a
> factory engine. Electronic ignition is another differentiator. I would
> recommend getting a breakout of all the prices, options and whats
> included then do a good comparison. One thing I was impressed with was
> Aerosports 3 year warranty from first flight. That exceeded the others
> I looked at.
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Do Not Archive.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *McGANN, Ron
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:11 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
>
>
>
> There's only ~$1K difference between the Vans and Aerosport engines, yet
> Vans is certified. Why would anyone buy an experimental from Aero > Sport??
What are the extra 'bangs' that you get for your Aero Sport
> 'bucks'??
>
> The high performance BPA engine looks like a great package, but throw in
> the required ceramic exhaust and a non standard cowl and it becomes an
> expensive proposition.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 9:25 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
>
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> Van's price is for a certified Lycoming. the Aero Sport and Mattituck
> are experimantal (i.e. the name plate on the engine is from the engine
> builder vs Lycoming. They are built from kits that the engine builders
> get from Lycoming which contain new parts. There was a price increase
> not too long ago and it has taken some time for the builders to update
> their web sites. I suspect that Mattitucks price is now closer to
> Aerosport, BPS, G&N etc.
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> McGANN, Ron wrote:
>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> Time to spend some BIG bucks.
>>
>> Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential
>> between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus
>> Mattitucks TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession
>> (Electronic Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to
>> me. I am totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle
>> . . .
>>
>> thanks in advance,
>> Ron
>> #187
>>
>
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Great post Tim - but you did have to get your engine mount modified if I
remember right :-).
Being based in Australia, I'm not all that keen on having to return my
engine mount for modification. What should I look for to avoid the
issues you had (problem with the oil pan if I recall)? On the subject
of returns, a three year warranty period looks great, but not if the
engine needs to be returned to the States for a repair. One of my
deciding factors will be if the warranty is voided if repairs are
carried out by other than the engine builder.
cheers,
Ron
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
When I bought, I paid many thousand less at the time. And Marcus
is right that it isn't really apples to apples. The new Lycs
would just come with mags, and nothing too special. On mine,
I got precision balancing, porting, flow matching injectors,
Titan cylinders....not standard, Lightspeed Plasma III including
having the system mounted and the ring gear drilled. Starter,
oil filter adapter, and reiff preheat system. All for the
price at the time of $33.5K ballpark. At that time, that
was a fairly good deal. Today it would be a steal. I actually
get some comfort from the fact that mine was a rebuild with
all parts to new limits....at least I know my crank isn't on
the lycoming list....not that the new ones are bad. But, in
order to make a brand new Lycoming equivalent to one of the
quality rebuilds from Aerosport or Barrett, you'd have to put
a bit more money into it and have someone tear it down and
start over on some items like the balancing. Also, ask about
3-angle valve jobs and such...you'll find comparing engine
deals gets a bit tougher when you look for some of the special
items.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Engine prices |
Engine pricesI could be wrong and have not checked in a while but I
believe Van's engines are not "certified"ether at least in the sense you
could not put one on a certified airplane.
The primary difference in Van's engines and the Lycoming kit engines
being built by the 5 authorized shops, one of which is Aerosport is that
Van's is built by the factory and the others are assembled at the
authorized assemble shops. Only the 5 designated shops can do this, not
a private party or another shop.
I paid $31,500 base price for the 540 plus a few moods. The price on
the kit engines did go up substantially several weeks ago.
Dick Sipp
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
Van=92s is a certified version of the IO-540. Mattituck is
Lycoming=92s experimental version. I don=92t know on the Aerosport, but
I assume they are also with the experimental. Don=92t know the reason
for the $8K difference between Mattituck and Aerosport. I know BPA
costs more than Mattituck, and you get more services for the price,
which Allen would be happy to explain if you contact him. I don=92t
know almost anything about Aerosport.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:32 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Engine prices
G'day all,
Time to spend some BIG bucks.
Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential
between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus Mattitucks
TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession (Electronic
Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to me. I am
totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle . . .
thanks in advance,
Ron
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Tim,
The "kit" engines from Lycoming go the authorized builders as a parts kit,
so no tear down is required.
Each of the shops to the best of my knowlege can then apply any of their
favorite practices like balancing, your choice of injection, ignition etc.
I'm not sure if Lycoming has put any restrictions on the shops as far as
limits on what they can change, compression? I ordered mine with AFP fuel
injection, and one Lightspeed ignition.
Dick Sipp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> When I bought, I paid many thousand less at the time. And Marcus
> is right that it isn't really apples to apples. The new Lycs
> would just come with mags, and nothing too special. On mine,
> I got precision balancing, porting, flow matching injectors,
> Titan cylinders....not standard, Lightspeed Plasma III including
> having the system mounted and the ring gear drilled. Starter,
> oil filter adapter, and reiff preheat system. All for the
> price at the time of $33.5K ballpark. At that time, that
> was a fairly good deal. Today it would be a steal. I actually
> get some comfort from the fact that mine was a rebuild with
> all parts to new limits....at least I know my crank isn't on
> the lycoming list....not that the new ones are bad. But, in
> order to make a brand new Lycoming equivalent to one of the
> quality rebuilds from Aerosport or Barrett, you'd have to put
> a bit more money into it and have someone tear it down and
> start over on some items like the balancing. Also, ask about
> 3-angle valve jobs and such...you'll find comparing engine
> deals gets a bit tougher when you look for some of the special
> items.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Marcus Cooper wrote:
>> I havent looked at the prices lately to be honest, but when I ordered my
>> Aerosport it was quite a bit cheaper when you factor in all the options.
>> The trick is to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. For
>> example, the Aerosport engines come balanced, the others (at least when I
>> was looking), charged extra and of course is not available on a factory
>> engine. Electronic ignition is another differentiator. I would
>> recommend getting a breakout of all the prices, options and whats
>> included then do a good comparison. One thing I was impressed with was
>> Aerosports 3 year warranty from first flight. That exceeded the others
>> I looked at.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>> Do Not Archive.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *McGANN, Ron
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:11 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
>>
>> There's only ~$1K difference between the Vans and Aerosport engines, yet
>> Vans is certified. Why would anyone buy an experimental from Aero >
>> Sport?? What are the extra 'bangs' that you get for your Aero Sport
>> 'bucks'??
>>
>> The high performance BPA engine looks like a great package, but throw in
>> the required ceramic exhaust and a non standard cowl and it becomes an
>> expensive proposition.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>> Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 9:25 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>
>> Van's price is for a certified Lycoming. the Aero Sport and Mattituck
>> are experimantal (i.e. the name plate on the engine is from the engine
>> builder vs Lycoming. They are built from kits that the engine builders
>> get from Lycoming which contain new parts. There was a price increase
>> not too long ago and it has taken some time for the builders to update
>> their web sites. I suspect that Mattitucks price is now closer to
>> Aerosport, BPS, G&N etc.
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> Fuse
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>> McGANN, Ron wrote:
>>
>>> G'day all,
>>>
>>> Time to spend some BIG bucks.
>>>
>>> Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential
>>> between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus
>>> Mattitucks TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession
>>> (Electronic Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to
>>> me. I am totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle
>>> . . .
>>>
>>> thanks in advance,
>>> Ron
>>> #187
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> browse Subscriptions page, Chat, FAQ,
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| Subject: | Re: Engine prices |
Engine pricesThe Lycomings as delivered by Van's could be put directly
on any certified aircraft that has that engine on the type certificate.
example is the Piper Comanche 260.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Sipp
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
I could be wrong and have not checked in a while but I believe Van's
engines are not "certified"ether at least in the sense you could not put
one on a certified airplane.
The primary difference in Van's engines and the Lycoming kit engines
being built by the 5 authorized shops, one of which is Aerosport is that
Van's is built by the factory and the others are assembled at the
authorized assemble shops. Only the 5 designated shops can do this, not
a private party or another shop.
I paid $31,500 base price for the 540 plus a few moods. The price on
the kit engines did go up substantially several weeks ago.
Dick Sipp
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
Van=92s is a certified version of the IO-540. Mattituck is
Lycoming=92s experimental version. I don=92t know on the Aerosport, but
I assume they are also with the experimental. Don=92t know the reason
for the $8K difference between Mattituck and Aerosport. I know BPA
costs more than Mattituck, and you get more services for the price,
which Allen would be happy to explain if you contact him. I don=92t
know almost anything about Aerosport.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
---
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:32 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Engine prices
G'day all,
Time to spend some BIG bucks.
Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential
between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus Mattitucks
TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession (Electronic
Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to me. I am
totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle . . .
thanks in advance,
Ron
#187
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yeah, but that's probably a function of a couple things...variability in
the engine mount dimensions, and perhaps the fact that my sump may have
been of some older generation of slightly different dimensions.
I know they said that the new Lycomings don't have issues with the
mount, but so far I haven't really heard any evidence that there is
a highly significant difference between the "good" ones and
the "bad" ones. I think many of them are too close, but many people
are just continuing on. There is also a little variation depending
on what order you torque the mounts in, it seems. My guess is that
I probably would not have had a big problem at least right away
if I had left it. It's all a guess, because there just isn't enough
time experience in the fleet to know yet. Just remember that when
it comes to the sump and mount, there are not many "knowns". There
is the brand new lycoming way to go, and then "everything else",
because with any of the rebuilds you aren't guaranteed that you're
getting a sump of any particular year/model/size. It's not an
"Aerosport" engine...it's a previously run Lycoming engine, rebuilt
by Aerosport.
As far as you being on the upside down part of the world, I agree
with you in that I'd either stick with a really good reputation'd
rebuilder on the right-side-up part of the globe, or get one closer
to home. The kit is something you build, but since most people
don't build their engine, it would be nice to have it easily
supported from somewhere closer. The companies' quality though
is still a big factor. I've never heard anything bad about
Aerosport or Barrett, and that means something too. I was sold
on Aerosport the first time I heard one (before I knew that's
what I was hearing).
I don't know what the deal is on warranties carried out by
3rd parties.....I guess I didn't check that out. I figure
that once it runs, there's only so much I'd hold a company
accountable for anyway. It is nice to know they stand behind
their stuff though.
At any rate, when it comes to the engine mount, I still say it's
a crapshoot and that no matter what the engine, there's going to
be a few builders affected. Time will tell on that one, but I
sure think they should have changed the way they built them
when they saw the few instances of issues. From the gaps they
told me they had with their test jig, it isn't like the
good clearance ones were a huge amount better. But, some get
really close. I also get curious as to how much of this stuff
could be effects of the mounting ears and other things like
sump gasket materials, and many more...I don't know that anyone
knows the answers.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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McGANN, Ron wrote:
> Great post Tim - but you did have to get your engine mount modified if I
> remember right :-).
>
> Being based in Australia, I'm not all that keen on having to return my
> engine mount for modification. What should I look for to avoid the
> issues you had (problem with the oil pan if I recall)? On the subject
> of returns, a three year warranty period looks great, but not if the
> engine needs to be returned to the States for a repair. One of my
> deciding factors will be if the warranty is voided if repairs are
> carried out by other than the engine builder.
>
> cheers,
> Ron
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> When I bought, I paid many thousand less at the time. And Marcus
> is right that it isn't really apples to apples. The new Lycs
> would just come with mags, and nothing too special. On mine,
> I got precision balancing, porting, flow matching injectors,
> Titan cylinders....not standard, Lightspeed Plasma III including
> having the system mounted and the ring gear drilled. Starter,
> oil filter adapter, and reiff preheat system. All for the
> price at the time of $33.5K ballpark. At that time, that
> was a fairly good deal. Today it would be a steal. I actually
> get some comfort from the fact that mine was a rebuild with
> all parts to new limits....at least I know my crank isn't on
> the lycoming list....not that the new ones are bad. But, in
> order to make a brand new Lycoming equivalent to one of the
> quality rebuilds from Aerosport or Barrett, you'd have to put
> a bit more money into it and have someone tear it down and
> start over on some items like the balancing. Also, ask about
> 3-angle valve jobs and such...you'll find comparing engine
> deals gets a bit tougher when you look for some of the special
> items.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yeah, I was mainly talking about the non-kit version of the
Lycomings that Van's was selling back when I ordered my
engine (about a year ago). Now the whole market has changed.
I think the kit engine thing is a really big plus for the
current builders for the reasons you listed below, even if the
cost is higher now.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Richard Sipp wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
>
> Tim,
>
> The "kit" engines from Lycoming go the authorized builders as a parts
> kit, so no tear down is required.
> Each of the shops to the best of my knowlege can then apply any of their
> favorite practices like balancing, your choice of injection, ignition
> etc. I'm not sure if Lycoming has put any restrictions on the shops as
> far as limits on what they can change, compression? I ordered mine with
> AFP fuel injection, and one Lightspeed ignition.
>
> Dick Sipp
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:20 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> When I bought, I paid many thousand less at the time. And Marcus
>> is right that it isn't really apples to apples. The new Lycs
>> would just come with mags, and nothing too special. On mine,
>> I got precision balancing, porting, flow matching injectors,
>> Titan cylinders....not standard, Lightspeed Plasma III including
>> having the system mounted and the ring gear drilled. Starter,
>> oil filter adapter, and reiff preheat system. All for the
>> price at the time of $33.5K ballpark. At that time, that
>> was a fairly good deal. Today it would be a steal. I actually
>> get some comfort from the fact that mine was a rebuild with
>> all parts to new limits....at least I know my crank isn't on
>> the lycoming list....not that the new ones are bad. But, in
>> order to make a brand new Lycoming equivalent to one of the
>> quality rebuilds from Aerosport or Barrett, you'd have to put
>> a bit more money into it and have someone tear it down and
>> start over on some items like the balancing. Also, ask about
>> 3-angle valve jobs and such...you'll find comparing engine
>> deals gets a bit tougher when you look for some of the special
>> items.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>> I havent looked at the prices lately to be honest, but when I
>>> ordered my Aerosport it was quite a bit cheaper when you factor in
>>> all the options. The trick is to make sure you are comparing apples
>>> to apples. For example, the Aerosport engines come balanced, the
>>> others (at least when I was looking), charged extra and of course is
>>> not available on a factory engine. Electronic ignition is another
>>> differentiator. I would recommend getting a breakout of all the
>>> prices, options and whats included then do a good comparison. One
>>> thing I was impressed with was Aerosports 3 year warranty from first
>>> flight. That exceeded the others I looked at.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> Do Not Archive.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *McGANN, Ron
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:11 PM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
>>>
>>> There's only ~$1K difference between the Vans and Aerosport engines,
>>> yet Vans is certified. Why would anyone buy an experimental from
>>> Aero > Sport?? What are the extra 'bangs' that you get for your
>>> Aero Sport 'bucks'??
>>>
>>> The high performance BPA engine looks like a great package, but throw
>>> in the required ceramic exhaust and a non standard cowl and it
>>> becomes an expensive proposition.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>>> Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 9:25 AM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
>>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>>
>>> Van's price is for a certified Lycoming. the Aero Sport and Mattituck
>>> are experimantal (i.e. the name plate on the engine is from the engine
>>> builder vs Lycoming. They are built from kits that the engine builders
>>> get from Lycoming which contain new parts. There was a price increase
>>> not too long ago and it has taken some time for the builders to update
>>> their web sites. I suspect that Mattitucks price is now closer to
>>> Aerosport, BPS, G&N etc.
>>>
>>> Deems Davis # 406
>>> Fuse
>>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>>
>>> McGANN, Ron wrote:
>>>
>>>> G'day all,
>>>>
>>>> Time to spend some BIG bucks.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential
>>>> between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus
>>>> Mattitucks TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession
>>>> (Electronic Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to
>>>> me. I am totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle
>>>> . . .
>>>>
>>>> thanks in advance,
>>>> Ron
>>>> #187
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
John's post got me thinking, since of course my QB fuse has them
pre-installed. I wonder if I or someone could design some sort of
removable/collapsible desk tray for food, work, or play for the backseaters
that could use the lug for install and support. Not having seen the
backseats in action much, it sounds like the seat would get in the way of my
idea....
Rob #392
QB Wings enlarging conduit holes and making grommet holes for separate
strobe wire runs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear seat belts
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I'd be interested to hear how many people actually put those knee
breaking lugs. I haven't ever heard much support for them.
Even my 4 and 7 year olds don't have a chance of submarining out
from the seats if they're buckled in properly. Personally,
there's no chance I'd ever put them in.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Hasbrouck wrote:
> Looking for suggestions re: rear seat belts and the need to attach the
> crotch strap lugs when building the fuse. Are you using belt systems
> that require the crotch strap or is it just going to be in the way.
> There was a little discussion about this a while back but I'm interested
> in opinions now that more -10s are flying.
>
> John Hasbrouck
> #40264 ( fuse. guess which part )
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