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1. 03:24 AM - Re: Rear seat belts (Russell Daves)
2. 03:37 AM - QB bagage door seal angle (Chris , Susie Darcy)
3. 03:54 AM - Re: Engine prices (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 04:57 AM - Re: PaintPaintNose wheel stem clearance (Wayne Edgerton)
5. 05:05 AM - Re: Engine prices (Wayne Edgerton)
6. 05:27 AM - Re: Engine pricesEngine prices (Wayne Edgerton)
7. 05:29 AM - Re: Engine pricesEngine pricesEngine pricesEngine prices (Wayne Edgerton)
8. 06:31 AM - Re: Engine prices (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
9. 06:47 AM - Re: Engine prices (Rhonda Bewley)
10. 06:55 AM - FW: Engine prices (Rhonda Bewley)
11. 07:50 AM - Off Topic: Old Planes at Museum near Grand Canyon (John Jessen)
12. 07:58 AM - ADS-B Pull (Tim Olson)
13. 08:06 AM - Re: Engine prices (John W. Cox)
14. 08:07 AM - Off Topic: Old Planes at Museum near Grand Canyon (John Jessen)
15. 08:33 AM - Re: ADS-B Pull (John W. Cox)
16. 08:42 AM - Re: ADS-B Pull (Jeffery J. Morgan)
17. 09:13 AM - Re: ADS-B Pull (James Clark)
18. 09:24 AM - Re: Off Topic: Old Planes at Museum near Grand Canyon (Robert Dorsey)
19. 09:34 AM - Re: ADS-B Pull (Dj Merrill)
20. 10:00 AM - Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (seanblair@adelphia.net)
21. 10:11 AM - Re: ADS-B Pull (Tim Olson)
22. 10:12 AM - Re: ADS-B Pull (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
23. 10:13 AM - Re: QB bagage door seal angle (LarryRosen@comcast.net)
24. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (Jesse Saint)
25. 10:29 AM - Re: Engine Certification (LIKE2LOOP@AOL.COM)
26. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (John Jessen)
27. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (Tim Olson)
28. 11:28 AM - Re: QB bagage door seal angle (Deems Davis)
29. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (Bob Newman)
30. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (Tim Olson)
31. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (Tim Olson)
32. 12:17 PM - Re: PaintPaintNose wheel stem clearance (Rene Felker)
33. 12:20 PM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
34. 12:27 PM - Re: ADS-B Pull (John W. Cox)
35. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (John Jessen)
36. 12:37 PM - Re: ADS-B Pull (John W. Cox)
37. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (Marcus Cooper)
38. 02:23 PM - Re: QB bagage door seal angle (Chris , Susie Darcy)
39. 04:05 PM - Headliner Fabric (Jack Sparling)
40. 04:09 PM - Re: QB bagage door seal angle (James Hein)
41. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: tunnel heat (Roger Standley)
42. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: tunnel heat (Russell Daves)
43. 05:41 PM - Re: Headliner Fabric (Tim Olson)
44. 05:48 PM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (Jesse Saint)
45. 06:18 PM - Re: ADS-B Pull (Darton Steve)
46. 07:29 PM - Re: Off Field Landing (Mark Chamberlain)
47. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (Dan Masys)
48. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (Jesse Saint)
49. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (David McNeill)
50. 08:49 PM - Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip (Mark Chamberlain)
51. 09:27 PM - Re: Off Field Landing (Mark Chamberlain)
52. 09:53 PM - Re: QB bagage door seal angle (Chris , Susie Darcy)
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| Subject: | Re: Rear seat belts |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
I drilled out the lugs on my QB. I am also swapping the flap torque tube
covers L & R so that the hole in the torque tube covers DO NOT line up with
where the lug was drilled out. It looks better having the slot in the
torque tube cover but not slot underneath showing.
Russ Daves
Almost ready to fly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear seat belts
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright"
> <armywrights@adelphia.net>
>
> John's post got me thinking, since of course my QB fuse has them
> pre-installed. I wonder if I or someone could design some sort of
> removable/collapsible desk tray for food, work, or play for the
> backseaters
> that could use the lug for install and support. Not having seen the
> backseats in action much, it sounds like the seat would get in the way of
> my
> idea....
>
> Rob #392
> QB Wings enlarging conduit holes and making grommet holes for separate
> strobe wire runs
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:56 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear seat belts
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I'd be interested to hear how many people actually put those knee
> breaking lugs. I haven't ever heard much support for them.
> Even my 4 and 7 year olds don't have a chance of submarining out
> from the seats if they're buckled in properly. Personally,
> there's no chance I'd ever put them in.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> John Hasbrouck wrote:
>> Looking for suggestions re: rear seat belts and the need to attach the
>> crotch strap lugs when building the fuse. Are you using belt systems
>> that require the crotch strap or is it just going to be in the way.
>> There was a little discussion about this a while back but I'm interested
>> in opinions now that more -10s are flying.
>>
>> John Hasbrouck
>> #40264 ( fuse. guess which part )
>
>
>
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| Subject: | QB bagage door seal angle |
RE: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod AssembliesCould people have a look at
there F10102b bagage door seal angles please my QB is riveted outboard
of the F- 1046 mid fuse longeron instead of 1/16 inboard to line up with
the f-10102a????? Am I missing something?
Also found the F-10102a is to long so will not alow mating with tailcone
as it hits the tailcone longeron!!
I can disasemble both and fix however thought I might check if I am
missing something
regards Chris 40388
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I did some fast comparison shopping between several of the big
builders back when I heard about the price increase. Basically I looked
at Mattituck, Barrett, and Aerosport. When you actually compared what
each one did, they were all very, very close in price once you leveled
the playing field. I ended up choosing Barrett for a couple of reasons.
First he is only 300ish miles from me where Mattituck is considerably
farther and Aerosport is in Canada. I have directly heard of a couple
builders having problems with Aerosport's rebuilt engines, one was
rather serious and that builder ended up with a new kit built engine
from them in exchange and for the price difference. It seems they are
not real good about maintaining a model number with its model specific
parts as this appears to be the problem Tim also had. I wasn't about to
have a potential problem with an international company but I also have
never heard of a situation where they didn't right a wrong. Allen has a
very good reputation and I also trust he will make good on any promise.
With price out of the picture the single biggest thing for me was
comfort factor and BPA won out in that arena. Incidentally, my engine
will be on display at Barrett's booth at Airventure this year if anyone
wants to get an up close look at his work.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yeah, but that's probably a function of a couple things...variability in
the engine mount dimensions, and perhaps the fact that my sump may have
been of some older generation of slightly different dimensions.
I know they said that the new Lycomings don't have issues with the
mount, but so far I haven't really heard any evidence that there is
a highly significant difference between the "good" ones and
the "bad" ones. I think many of them are too close, but many people
are just continuing on. There is also a little variation depending
on what order you torque the mounts in, it seems. My guess is that
I probably would not have had a big problem at least right away
if I had left it. It's all a guess, because there just isn't enough
time experience in the fleet to know yet. Just remember that when
it comes to the sump and mount, there are not many "knowns". There
is the brand new lycoming way to go, and then "everything else",
because with any of the rebuilds you aren't guaranteed that you're
getting a sump of any particular year/model/size. It's not an
"Aerosport" engine...it's a previously run Lycoming engine, rebuilt
by Aerosport.
As far as you being on the upside down part of the world, I agree
with you in that I'd either stick with a really good reputation'd
rebuilder on the right-side-up part of the globe, or get one closer
to home. The kit is something you build, but since most people
don't build their engine, it would be nice to have it easily
supported from somewhere closer. The companies' quality though
is still a big factor. I've never heard anything bad about
Aerosport or Barrett, and that means something too. I was sold
on Aerosport the first time I heard one (before I knew that's
what I was hearing).
I don't know what the deal is on warranties carried out by
3rd parties.....I guess I didn't check that out. I figure
that once it runs, there's only so much I'd hold a company
accountable for anyway. It is nice to know they stand behind
their stuff though.
At any rate, when it comes to the engine mount, I still say it's
a crapshoot and that no matter what the engine, there's going to
be a few builders affected. Time will tell on that one, but I
sure think they should have changed the way they built them
when they saw the few instances of issues. From the gaps they
told me they had with their test jig, it isn't like the
good clearance ones were a huge amount better. But, some get
really close. I also get curious as to how much of this stuff
could be effects of the mounting ears and other things like
sump gasket materials, and many more...I don't know that anyone
knows the answers.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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McGANN, Ron wrote:
> Great post Tim - but you did have to get your engine mount modified if
I
> remember right :-).
>
> Being based in Australia, I'm not all that keen on having to return my
> engine mount for modification. What should I look for to avoid the
> issues you had (problem with the oil pan if I recall)? On the subject
> of returns, a three year warranty period looks great, but not if the
> engine needs to be returned to the States for a repair. One of my
> deciding factors will be if the warranty is voided if repairs are
> carried out by other than the engine builder.
>
> cheers,
> Ron
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
>
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> When I bought, I paid many thousand less at the time. And Marcus
> is right that it isn't really apples to apples. The new Lycs
> would just come with mags, and nothing too special. On mine,
> I got precision balancing, porting, flow matching injectors,
> Titan cylinders....not standard, Lightspeed Plasma III including
> having the system mounted and the ring gear drilled. Starter,
> oil filter adapter, and reiff preheat system. All for the
> price at the time of $33.5K ballpark. At that time, that
> was a fairly good deal. Today it would be a steal. I actually
> get some comfort from the fact that mine was a rebuild with
> all parts to new limits....at least I know my crank isn't on
> the lycoming list....not that the new ones are bad. But, in
> order to make a brand new Lycoming equivalent to one of the
> quality rebuilds from Aerosport or Barrett, you'd have to put
> a bit more money into it and have someone tear it down and
> start over on some items like the balancing. Also, ask about
> 3-angle valve jobs and such...you'll find comparing engine
> deals gets a bit tougher when you look for some of the special
> items.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: PaintPaintNose wheel stem clearance |
If you don't mind me asking, what price will the auto body painter
charge you for painting your plane?
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Re: Engine prices |
I purchased a New engine from Aerosport, which uses, per my
understanding, new certified parts from Lycoming. I was also told that
if I buy a certified engine from Van's that once I mount it on an
experimental plane it will no longer be considered certified. Don't know
for a fact that is true but that's what I was told.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Re: Engine pricesEngine prices |
When I bought my new engine from Aerosport there was quite a difference
in price from Van's at the time. Van's had just raised their price to
something like $42,000. I added Lazar electronic ignition to mine, which
was around a $2000 option, and if I remember correctly I paid a total of
$39,500. I ordered it in Nov 05 and received it March 06. The reason for
the length of time between order and delivery was that if I gave them a
down payment of $3000 they would lock in the price for me and then I
could tell them when I wanted it manufactured and delivered.
It appears that Aero Sport has decided to keep pace with Van's prices.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Re: Engine pricesEngine pricesEngine pricesEngine prices |
Yes
Wayne Edgerton
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Let's not get that started again! A certified engine is a certified
engine. The engine doesn't know what kind of plane it's in, and doesn't
care. You could have a certified factory engine that was installed on a
swamp boat and it's still a certified engine, as long as no one has
changed its parts. Engines and props are certified on their own in
their own right, and then also certified as a combination for a
particular aircraft model. But the base certification of an engine is
only dependent on the engine itself.
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
I purchased a New engine from Aerosport, which uses, per my
understanding, new certified parts from Lycoming. I was also told that
if I buy a certified engine from Van's that once I mount it on an
experimental plane it will no longer be considered certified. Don't know
for a fact that is true but that's what I was told.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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Van's is only authorized to sell as many engines as he has sold kits.
The engines are certified. However, in order to pull them from an
experimental and put it into a certified plane, one of two things would
have to be done. 1) The engine would have to be stock configuration,
absolutely no modifications, experimental processes or components (such
as experimental ignition systems, Precision Silverhawk of AFP fuel
system) and would have to be maintained as a certified engine (i.e.
maintenance by a licensed A&P, all SBs and ADs in compliance) or 2)
Overhauled before installation by a certified repair station to type
certificate limits.
Rhonda
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
The Lycomings as delivered by Van's could be put directly on any
certified aircraft that has that engine on the type certificate. example
is the Piper Comanche 260.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Sipp
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
I could be wrong and have not checked in a while but I believe
Van's engines are not "certified"ether at least in the sense you could
not put one on a certified airplane.
The primary difference in Van's engines and the Lycoming kit
engines being built by the 5 authorized shops, one of which is Aerosport
is that Van's is built by the factory and the others are assembled at
the authorized assemble shops. Only the 5 designated shops can do this,
not a private party or another shop.
I paid $31,500 base price for the 540 plus a few moods. The
price on the kit engines did go up substantially several weeks ago.
Dick Sipp
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
Van's is a certified version of the IO-540. Mattituck
is Lycoming's experimental version. I don't know on the Aerosport, but
I assume they are also with the experimental. Don't know the reason for
the $8K difference between Mattituck and Aerosport. I know BPA costs
more than Mattituck, and you get more services for the price, which
Allen would be happy to explain if you contact him. I don't know almost
anything about Aerosport.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:32 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Engine prices
G'day all,
Time to spend some BIG bucks.
Can anyone please explain why there is such a price
differential between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K,
versus Mattitucks TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession
(Electronic Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to me.
I am totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle . . .
thanks in advance,
Ron
#187
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Ron:
Let me clarify, the ceramic coated exhaust is not required with the BPE
IO-540-X, it is merely an option. The ceramic coating is designed to
keep radiant heat out of the cowl (there has been significant discussion
of this issue on the lists.) We like the Forsling exhaust, because we
have tested it on our dyno and found that it runs nice and gives a small
hp boost on the engine we ran (a new IO-540-X with 9.5:1 compression and
Barrett's Cold Air Induction.) You can use any exhaust you choose. You
would only need the modified cowl if you decided to run our Cold Air
Induction, which is a performance upgrade. It is my understanding that
the modified cowl is scheduled to be priced very similarly to Van's
standard cowl. The IO-540 without Cold Air does not require any
modifications. Hope this helps clarify.
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
2870-B N. Sheridan Rd.
Tulsa, OK 74115
(918) 835-1089 phone
(918) 835-1745 fax
www.barrettprecisionengines.com
<http://www.barrettprecisionengines.com/>
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine prices
There's only ~$1K difference between the Vans and Aerosport engines, yet
Vans is certified. Why would anyone buy an experimental from Aero
Sport?? What are the extra 'bangs' that you get for your Aero Sport
'bucks'??
The high performance BPA engine looks like a great package, but throw in
the required ceramic exhaust and a non standard cowl and it becomes an
expensive proposition.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Van's price is for a certified Lycoming. the Aero Sport and Mattituck
are experimantal (i.e. the name plate on the engine is from the engine
builder vs Lycoming. They are built from kits that the engine builders
get from Lycoming which contain new parts. There was a price increase
not too long ago and it has taken some time for the builders to update
their web sites. I suspect that Mattitucks price is now closer to
Aerosport, BPS, G&N etc.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
McGANN, Ron wrote:
> G'day all,
>
> Time to spend some BIG bucks.
>
> Can anyone please explain why there is such a price differential
> between the Vans and Aerosport Power IO540s at ~$42K, versus
> Mattitucks TMXIO540 at $34K? I am a 'queer trader' by profession
> (Electronic Systems) and this 'black hander' stuff is all voodoo to
> me. I am totally ignorant on all engine related issues, so be gentle
> . . .
>
> thanks in advance,
> Ron
> #187
>
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Old Planes at Museum near Grand Canyon |
Tim, you might want to stop here for a break when you come west. Not sure
where it is?
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Did anyone else catch the Avweb news on the FAA's disabling of
ADS-B in Alaska? No real comment other than to say that the
FAA must be pretty screwed up. IMHO, ADS-B and TIS both
should be turned on and enabled in all the states.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/634-full.html
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After the first Conditional (annual) Inspection, done by a non A &P that
could be true. After any needed repairs (beyond Part 43) done by the
owner/ non A & P that might be true. Certificated Engines remain so when
the maintenance actions they receive are compliant with Part 43, the
TCDS and the data plate attached. Being in a non certificated (VANS)
aircraft does not invalidate the certification.
Fly off hours are a whole different thing.
Remember, the supply of D4A5s is dwindling at a rapid rate. You only
get ONE new one through VANS discount. "Use the Force wisely Luke".
That is the course that Randy Debauw went and still has both the factory
new engine and prop options available. Visit Dan Checkoway's site and
you will see he has flown half his engine life away after just a short
period of time. In a best case scenario, the engine casing can go
through three lives (reassemblies) before being discarded. That being
conditional on no prop strikes, significant overheat, loss of moving
parts or massive loss of oil pressure.
John - KUAO
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine prices
I purchased a New engine from Aerosport, which uses, per my
understanding, new certified parts from Lycoming. I was also told that
if I buy a certified engine from Van's that once I mount it on an
experimental plane it will no longer be considered certified. Don't know
for a fact that is true but that's what I was told.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Off Topic: Old Planes at Museum near Grand Canyon |
Tim, you might want to stop here for a break when you come west. Not sure
where it is?
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
It was always the quiet little driver that ADS-B would extend coverage
over areas "Not covered by conventional radar". Alaska was selected for
Capstone for just this reason. The FAA has long wanted to move away from
installation of new, and maintenance of existing radar based services.
(It takes a horrendous amount of their systems budget.) This is kind of
like a carrier catapult launch. Many in the FAA engineering branch are
hopeful that Alaska will fair well and the system will be slowly
disconnected in many mid and low congestion areas.
I think it is a question of whether the airlines can win the political
power struggle. GA is clearly the dog's tail in this fight. It may
prove to be just a stub of a tail at that.
The FAA motto was to "stop looking at past technology and embrace the
future". Don't remain complacent with radar based data for traffic
separation - just weather.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:58 AM
Subject: RV10-List: ADS-B Pull
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Did anyone else catch the Avweb news on the FAA's disabling of
ADS-B in Alaska? No real comment other than to say that the
FAA must be pretty screwed up. IMHO, ADS-B and TIS both
should be turned on and enabled in all the states.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/634-full.html
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jeffery J. Morgan" <jmorgan@compnetconcepts.com>
I think that it just representative of the FAA under there current admin
and structure. This is one of the best things that have come along
since GPS, as far as I can see. There situational awareness is huge and
it is disappointing that the project has been put on hold, for what
appears very little reason.
Hopefully reason will step in and maybe AOPA and push a bit hard outside
the FAA to push this safety info back in.
Jeff
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Hmmmm.
I read the article and it ***APPEARS*** to me that they are saying " ...
hold on a second, we have some operational issues with how this integrates
with the controllers activities so we are going to tak a month or two to ge=
t
it all sorted out and back online ..".
**IF** this is the case, then it may very well be a **GOOD THING** that the=
y
are making sure it is all sorted out before a big rollout. Otherwise to fix
something later would be REALLY expensive **and** inconvenient.
Let's give the the chance to get it right before we say they have "pulled
the plug".
My comments are not directed at anyone in particular ... just an alternate
view.
James
On 5/11/06, Jeffery J. Morgan <jmorgan@compnetconcepts.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jeffery J. Morgan" <
> jmorgan@compnetconcepts.com>
>
>
> I think that it just representative of the FAA under there current admin
> and structure. This is one of the best things that have come along
> since GPS, as far as I can see. There situational awareness is huge and
> it is disappointing that the project has been put on hold, for what
> appears very little reason.
>
> Hopefully reason will step in and maybe AOPA and push a bit hard outside
> the FAA to push this safety info back in.
>
> Jeff
>
>
=
=
=
=
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Robert Dorsey <lnc2bldr@earthlink.net>
http://www.planesoffame.org/aircraft.php?site=Valle
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com>
>Sent: May 11, 2006 8:03 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Off Topic: Old Planes at Museum near Grand Canyon
>
>Tim, you might want to stop here for a break when you come west. Not sure
>where it is?
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Did anyone else catch the Avweb news on the FAA's disabling of
> ADS-B in Alaska? No real comment other than to say that the
I do not believe they disabled the whole ADS-B system, they simply
disabled it from being displayed on the radar controller's screen.
I believe the system is still up and running as far as the information
the pilot gets in the airplane, it is just that at the Anchorage
site only the controllers cannot see the blips on their screens.
>From the article, "Other ADS-B services remain available, he said.
"Users are getting traffic information services, flight following, etc."
Also new ground units that are due to go online in the next month will
be implemented on schedule, he said, and will provide expanded ADS-B
services."
My half cents, FWIW,
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
Hey everyone,
I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be what I want.
It looks like several builders have installed these as well. Could you flying
users of this equipment share your impressions and configurations of the buttons/switches?
Also, is there anything you would like to change about the configuration you chose?
Is it difficult to correct this after the installation?
Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you? Would you prefer having
a "neutral" grip?
Thanks!
Sean B.
#40225
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I very much agree with your general comments. The thing that's
crazy is, it ran for so long, yet suddenly it's time to
shut it off while they review it. Why can't they just conduct
their reviews and leave it run? It seems if controllers are
abusing their operational methods, those should be able to
be handled without taking a system down. I know at any
regular company we'd have internal discussions, and then follow
it up with new procedures, and then some consequences if the
procedures weren't followed. Working at a hospital I'm used to
a constant review and refinement process. It's just too
bad that the FAA apparently can't manage itself. I do hope
they work it out before rolling it out in the lower 48.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
James Clark wrote:
> Hmmmm.
>
> I read the article and it ***APPEARS*** to me that they are saying " ...
> hold on a second, we have some operational issues with how this
> integrates with the controllers activities so we are going to tak a
> month or two to get it all sorted out and back online ..".
>
> **IF** this is the case, then it may very well be a **GOOD THING** that
> they are making sure it is all sorted out before a big rollout.
> Otherwise to fix something later would be REALLY expensive **and**
> inconvenient.
>
> Let's give the the chance to get it right before we say they have
> "pulled the plug".
>
> My comments are not directed at anyone in particular ... just an
> alternate view.
>
>
> James
>
>
> On 5/11/06, *Jeffery J. Morgan* <jmorgan@compnetconcepts.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jeffery J. Morgan"
> <jmorgan@compnetconcepts.com>
>
>
> I think that it just representative of the FAA under there current
> admin
> and structure. This is one of the best things that have come along
> since GPS, as far as I can see. There situational awareness is huge and
> it is disappointing that the project has been put on hold, for what
> appears very little reason.
>
> Hopefully reason will step in and maybe AOPA and push a bit hard outside
> the FAA to push this safety info back i
> "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/
> p; -Matt Dralle, Li>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at
> james@nextupventures.com .
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My interpretation of this is that it is strictly a temporary procedural
issue. Go figure, the FAA bogging down in procedural issues. If you
read closely the program isn't shut down, nor is the service, it is
strictly the screens in ATC. Airborne equipment is still operating and
they are going forward with full roll out in Alaska. I agree that this
is reading as a bigger issue than it is as long as the airborne
equipment is still operating. It appears that ATC simply isn't seeing
the data nor could you expect advisories from ATC. While I am not
defending the FAA, remember that AVWEB is a media outlet and will go for
"shock & aw" for reader impact.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Clark
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Pull
Hmmmm.
I read the article and it ***APPEARS*** to me that they are saying " ...
hold on a second, we have some operational issues with how this
integrates with the controllers activities so we are going to tak a
month or two to get it all sorted out and back online ..".
**IF** this is the case, then it may very well be a **GOOD THING** that
they are making sure it is all sorted out before a big rollout.
Otherwise to fix something later would be REALLY expensive **and**
inconvenient.
Let's give the the chance to get it right before we say they have
"pulled the plug".
My comments are not directed at anyone in particular ... just an
alternate view.
James
On 5/11/06, Jeffery J. Morgan <jmorgan@compnetconcepts.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jeffery J. Morgan"
<jmorgan@compnetconcepts.com>
I think that it just representative of the FAA under there current admin
and structure. This is one of the best things that have come along
since GPS, as far as I can see. There situational awareness is huge and
it is disappointing that the project has been put on hold, for what
appears very little reason.
Hopefully reason will step in and maybe AOPA and push a bit hard outside
the FAA to push this safety info back i
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/
p; -Matt Dralle, Li>
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| Subject: | Re: QB bagage door seal angle |
I had the same problem with the angle on the fuselage being to long. You can see photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/Log/Fuselage/TailconeAttach/index.html>. I had to remove rivits from the QB fuselage to trim the angle to fit.
Larry Rosen
#356
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
> RE: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod AssembliesCould people have a look at there
> F10102b bagage door seal angles please my QB is riveted outboard of the F- 1046
> mid fuse longeron instead of 1/16 inboard to line up with the f-10102a????? Am
I
> missing something?
>
> Also found the F-10102a is to long so will not alow mating with tailcone as it
> hits the tailcone longeron!!
>
>
> I can disasemble both and fix however thought I might check if I am missing
> something
>
> regards Chris 40388
>
>
From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Subject: RV10-List: QB bagage door seal angle
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
We installed one in N256H and love it. In N415EC we are installing right
and left units. We have the following layout:
Left thumb - rudder trim
Coolie hat - aileron and elevator trim
Right thumb - flaps (momentary down - non-momentary up)
Trigger - PTT of course
Side thumb - Auto Pilot Control Wheel Steering
Pinky - flight timer on first, probably overhead LED panel lights on N415EC
We have the boost pump switch between the throttle and prop knobs, so
without moving your hands you have almost all of the important controls if
something happens. One option for the pinky is a starter solenoid button
so you could restart without moving your hands, especially with the boost
pump next to the throttle.
Hope this helps.
Jesse Saint
> --> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be what I
> want. It looks like several builders have installed these as well. Could
> you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and
> configurations of the buttons/switches?
>
> Also, is there anything you would like to change about the configuration
> you chose? Is it difficult to correct this after the installation?
>
> Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you? Would you prefer
> having a "neutral" grip?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sean B.
> #40225
>
>
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Certification |
In a message dated 5/11/2006 8:07:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
weeav8ter@grandecom.net writes:
I was also told that if I buy a certified engine from Van's that once I mount
it on an experimental plane it will no longer be considered certified
If your engine is a certifited engine with a log book, and all the
entries are by an A&P (P), and meet the required specs, then it remains a certified
engine, and can be sold as such and installed on any vertified plane that
specifies that engine.
If you choose to work on your certified engine yourself, like replacing a
jug, or doing the annual, and never have it signed off, it is NO longer a
certified engine. The value will go down. That is only an issue if you want to
sell it to someone for a certified use. So get the appropriate sign offs in a
log book, or dont waste the extra $$$ on a certifeid engine, unless it gives
you peace of mind. Kind of like buying TSO's instruments for an experimental,
they just cost more (maybe better or maybe just the right paper work).
Also, if you got your Airworthiness Certificate with a certified engine,
and then work on it yourself, verify with your FSDO that you dont need to fly
off more time, etc.... The danger comes with insurance.... if you change
something vs what you told them or the category of the engine (from certified to
experimental), they will then attempt to deny payment of any claim, based on
false info, even if it doesnt relate to the claim.
All that said, i want an engine that is zero timed, and i plan to do the
majority of the work myself, that is the whole idea of having an experimental.
I already own a certified plane that limits severely any changes i want to
make and costs more to operate.
Steve
Stephen G. Blank,DDS
RV-10 #40499 Finishing the HS
Cessna 170b Flyer
Port St Lucie, FL
772-475-5556 cell
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I'd also like to hear from those who've chosen to use some type of wooden
gripe, if anyone has. I'm interested in something simple, hardwood, but
with enough of a "head" to hold a hat switch, and maybe 1 or 2 other
buttons.
John J.
328
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
seanblair@adelphia.net
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip
--> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
Hey everyone,
I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be what I
want. It looks like several builders have installed these as well. Could
you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and configurations
of the buttons/switches?
Also, is there anything you would like to change about the configuration you
chose? Is it difficult to correct this after the installation?
Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you? Would you prefer
having a "neutral" grip?
Thanks!
Sean B.
#40225
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sean,
I started skeptically looking at the infinity. All the plastic
grips looked like toys to me, but now all that's changed.
In addition, I used to think I'd want a neutral grip, not left
or right. I also used to think I didn't need that many buttons.
Boy have I learned.
I am liking the right-hand/left-hand arrangement, as it's comfortable
and I find that I don't swap hands that much because you are more
or less required (not REQUIRED, but...) to use your right hand if
you're in the right seat and left if you're in the left, since
the throttle is in the middle. Being right handed, I think that
if you were doing lots of radio work from the right seat, you
may have other preferences, but I don't fly from the right in my
own plane, so I can't comment much on that.
I do use every switch, and wish I had one or two more. I am
using them as follows:
Hat switch - Aileron and Elevator trim
One top button - swap chelton screen modes
Other top switch (DPDT) - Com flip com1 (UP) / Com flip com2 (DN)
Thumb button - CWS/AP Disconnect
Trigger - PTT
Pinky button - EFIS MUTE
In addition, I wish I had another button to swap my 2nd
chelton screen mode.
I'm not a fan of putting flaps or engine start on the stick.
There are various reasons why, inadvertent activation being
the biggest, but if you talk to a bunch of people you'll
at least get thinking points.
I also have a locking-lever toggle on the panel that is used
to switch OFF the ground returns on some of the functions
on the co-pilot switch. This allows me to disable the
copilot's TRIM, so they can't mess with my trim (important
if you have kids over there).
I like the setup very much. I think other grips would be
nice too, but I do like what I have. The wires route
down the stick tube, and aren't visible at all in the cabin.
My biggest wish is that I would have either added one more
button to the stick for that 2nd screen swap, or perhaps
instead of had it be a button, I would have used a 2nd
DPDT toggle so the up and down could do it to either
screen.
Whatever multi-function stick you get, I think you'll
like having some of these things on the stick. EFIS
mute I use all the time.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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seanblair@adelphia.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be what
> I want. It looks like several builders have installed these as well.
> Could you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and
> configurations of the buttons/switches?
>
> Also, is there anything you would like to change about the
> configuration you chose? Is it difficult to correct this after the
> installation?
>
> Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you? Would you
> prefer having a "neutral" grip?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sean B. #40225
>
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| Subject: | Re: QB bagage door seal angle |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I helps a QB builder last week attach his tailcone, and he also had the
same issue. Drilled out the rivets attaching the angle and shortened it
and reriveted.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
LarryRosen@comcast.net wrote:
>I had the same problem with the angle on the fuselage being to long. You can see photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/Log/Fuselage/TailconeAttach/index.html>. I had to remove rivits from the QB fuselage to trim the angle to fit.
>
>Larry Rosen
>#356
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
>
>>RE: RV10-List: Aileron Pushrod AssembliesCould people have a look at there
>>F10102b bagage door seal angles please my QB is riveted outboard of the F- 1046
>>mid fuse longeron instead of 1/16 inboard to line up with the f-10102a????? Am
I
>>missing something?
>>
>>Also found the F-10102a is to long so will not alow mating with tailcone as it
>>hits the tailcone longeron!!
>>
>>
>>I can disasemble both and fix however thought I might check if I am missing
>>something
>>
>>regards Chris 40388
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Subject:
> RV10-List: QB bagage door seal angle
> From:
> "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
> Date:
> Thu, 11 May 2006 10:39:47 +0000
> To:
> <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>
> To:
> <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>
>
> Could people have a look at there F10102b bagage door seal angles
> please my QB is riveted outboard of the F- 1046 mid fuse longeron
> instead of 1/16 inboard to line up with the f-10102a????? Am I missing
> something?
>
> Also found the F-10102a is to long so will not alow mating with
> tailcone as it hits the tailcone longeron!!
>
>
> I can disasemble both and fix however thought I might check if I am
> missing something
>
> regards Chris 40388
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Newman" <rnewman@lutron.com>
Tim, What is EFIS mute??
Also, I second many of your opinions regarding the usefulness of the
buttons.
On our Glastar we have elev trim, PTT and autopilot disable, and com
swap. Its very manageable and intuitive.
Also, I fully agree that the need to switch hands is pretty much zero.
I've tried to fly with my right hand and that's about as awkward as
trying to write cursive with the wrong hand!
-Bob Newman
fuse slow build, going slowly :)
>>> Tim@MyRV10.com 5/11/2006 1:50:31 PM >>>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sean,
I started skeptically looking at the infinity. All the plastic
grips looked like toys to me, but now all that's changed.
In addition, I used to think I'd want a neutral grip, not left
or right. I also used to think I didn't need that many buttons.
Boy have I learned.
I am liking the right-hand/left-hand arrangement, as it's comfortable
and I find that I don't swap hands that much because you are more
or less required (not REQUIRED, but...) to use your right hand if
you're in the right seat and left if you're in the left, since
the throttle is in the middle. Being right handed, I think that
if you were doing lots of radio work from the right seat, you
may have other preferences, but I don't fly from the right in my
own plane, so I can't comment much on that.
I do use every switch, and wish I had one or two more. I am
using them as follows:
Hat switch - Aileron and Elevator trim
One top button - swap chelton screen modes
Other top switch (DPDT) - Com flip com1 (UP) / Com flip com2 (DN)
Thumb button - CWS/AP Disconnect
Trigger - PTT
Pinky button - EFIS MUTE
In addition, I wish I had another button to swap my 2nd
chelton screen mode.
I'm not a fan of putting flaps or engine start on the stick.
There are various reasons why, inadvertent activation being
the biggest, but if you talk to a bunch of people you'll
at least get thinking points.
I also have a locking-lever toggle on the panel that is used
to switch OFF the ground returns on some of the functions
on the co-pilot switch. This allows me to disable the
copilot's TRIM, so they can't mess with my trim (important
if you have kids over there).
I like the setup very much. I think other grips would be
nice too, but I do like what I have. The wires route
down the stick tube, and aren't visible at all in the cabin.
My biggest wish is that I would have either added one more
button to the stick for that 2nd screen swap, or perhaps
instead of had it be a button, I would have used a 2nd
DPDT toggle so the up and down could do it to either
screen.
Whatever multi-function stick you get, I think you'll
like having some of these things on the stick. EFIS
mute I use all the time.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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seanblair@adelphia.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be
what
> I want. It looks like several builders have installed these as
well.
> Could you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and
> configurations of the buttons/switches?
>
> Also, is there anything you would like to change about the
> configuration you chose? Is it difficult to correct this after the
> installation?
>
> Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you? Would you
> prefer having a "neutral" grip?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sean B. #40225
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
John,
I have no gripe about wood. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'd also like to hear from those who've chosen to use some type of wooden
> gripe, if anyone has. I'm interested in something simple, hardwood, but
> with enough of a "head" to hold a hat switch, and maybe 1 or 2 other
> buttons.
>
> John J.
> 328
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> seanblair@adelphia.net
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:59 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be what I
> want. It looks like several builders have installed these as well. Could
> you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and configurations
> of the buttons/switches?
>
> Also, is there anything you would like to change about the configuration you
> chose? Is it difficult to correct this after the installation?
>
> Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you? Would you prefer
> having a "neutral" grip?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sean B.
> #40225
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
See inline...
Bob Newman wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Newman" <rnewman@lutron.com>
>
> Tim, What is EFIS mute??
>
The EFIS will give voice warnings: "terrain", "traffic", "check
engine", "stall", and others. When setting up the system and
fine tuning it especially, you'll want to quickly be able to
mute this stuff. Esp. on the first flight when you have your
stall speed warning and some things maybe set a bit high.
It's very handy.
> Also, I second many of your opinions regarding the usefulness of the
> buttons.
>
> On our Glastar we have elev trim, PTT and autopilot disable, and com
> swap. Its very manageable and intuitive.
>
Yeah, the com swap really is cool. I can be viewing an airports
runway info on the chelton, scroll up to the CTAF freq. and hit
"TO COM1", then with my other hand that's on the stick, just flip
it and it'll be active without me moving over to the radio
and doing more work there. Great stuff.
> Also, I fully agree that the need to switch hands is pretty much zero.
> I've tried to fly with my right hand and that's about as awkward as
> trying to write cursive with the wrong hand!
>
Yep, you get used to whatever you do.
Tim
> -Bob Newman
> fuse slow build, going slowly :)
>
>
>
>>>> Tim@MyRV10.com 5/11/2006 1:50:31 PM >>>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Sean,
>
> I started skeptically looking at the infinity. All the plastic
> grips looked like toys to me, but now all that's changed.
> In addition, I used to think I'd want a neutral grip, not left
> or right. I also used to think I didn't need that many buttons.
> Boy have I learned.
>
> I am liking the right-hand/left-hand arrangement, as it's comfortable
> and I find that I don't swap hands that much because you are more
> or less required (not REQUIRED, but...) to use your right hand if
> you're in the right seat and left if you're in the left, since
> the throttle is in the middle. Being right handed, I think that
> if you were doing lots of radio work from the right seat, you
> may have other preferences, but I don't fly from the right in my
> own plane, so I can't comment much on that.
>
> I do use every switch, and wish I had one or two more. I am
> using them as follows:
>
> Hat switch - Aileron and Elevator trim
> One top button - swap chelton screen modes
> Other top switch (DPDT) - Com flip com1 (UP) / Com flip com2 (DN)
> Thumb button - CWS/AP Disconnect
> Trigger - PTT
> Pinky button - EFIS MUTE
>
> In addition, I wish I had another button to swap my 2nd
> chelton screen mode.
>
> I'm not a fan of putting flaps or engine start on the stick.
> There are various reasons why, inadvertent activation being
> the biggest, but if you talk to a bunch of people you'll
> at least get thinking points.
>
> I also have a locking-lever toggle on the panel that is used
> to switch OFF the ground returns on some of the functions
> on the co-pilot switch. This allows me to disable the
> copilot's TRIM, so they can't mess with my trim (important
> if you have kids over there).
>
> I like the setup very much. I think other grips would be
> nice too, but I do like what I have. The wires route
> down the stick tube, and aren't visible at all in the cabin.
> My biggest wish is that I would have either added one more
> button to the stick for that 2nd screen swap, or perhaps
> instead of had it be a button, I would have used a 2nd
> DPDT toggle so the up and down could do it to either
> screen.
>
> Whatever multi-function stick you get, I think you'll
> like having some of these things on the stick. EFIS
> mute I use all the time.
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> seanblair@adelphia.net wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be
> what
>> I want. It looks like several builders have installed these as
> well.
>> Could you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and
>> configurations of the buttons/switches?
>>
>> Also, is there anything you would like to change about the
>> configuration you chose? Is it difficult to correct this after the
>> installation?
>>
>> Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you? Would you
>> prefer having a "neutral" grip?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sean B. #40225
>>
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| Subject: | PaintPaintNose wheel stem clearance |
4-6k I think I will be closer to the 6K mark because of my choice in paint
and having he painter do the final 10% of the prep. I will know more next
month after he starts painting.
Rene' Felker
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: PaintPaintNose wheel stem clearance
If you don't mind me asking, what price will the auto body painter charge
you for painting your plane?
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
We've got some wood grips. I think they are in the Spruce catalog, but
I found them in a closet at work (long story).
We haven't flown yet, so I can't tell you how they are. Our right-side
just has PTT. Pilot has
Pushbutton on top - AP
Toggle on top - Flap
Coolie hat on top - Trim
PTT near the index finger
and a pinky button we haven't decided on what it will be used for yet.
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson
Sent: Thu 5/11/2006 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
John,
I have no gripe about wood. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'd also like to hear from those who've chosen to use some type of
wooden
> gripe, if anyone has. I'm interested in something simple, hardwood,
but
> with enough of a "head" to hold a hat switch, and maybe 1 or 2 other
> buttons.
>
> John J.
> 328
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> seanblair@adelphia.net
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:59 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be what
I
> want. It looks like several builders have installed these as well.
Could
> you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and
configurations
> of the buttons/switches?
>
> Also, is there anything you would like to change about the
configuration you
> chose? Is it difficult to correct this after the installation?
>
> Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you? Would you
prefer
> having a "neutral" grip?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sean B.
> #40225
>
>
=
=
=
=
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
A close friend works for the FAA in placement of largesse funds. Last
year she was roundly verbally abused by an aide from Sen. Gordon Smith's
office (R - OR) for her public comments on the ADS-B plan (and stating
the facts). Many smaller communities wanted radar investments in their
Podunk communities. We did a public presentation on ADS-B last May to
the Oregon Pilots Association and we publicly announced the move to
disconnect the radar surveillance portion (Long Term). Randy Kenagy from
AOPA was present.
It is my personal opinion that the excerpt from AVWEB is being
misquoted. ADS-B is alive and well in Alaska, as well as the Eastern
Seaboard from FL though MD. It provides a level of protection over DC
which is not being reported for homeland security reasons. Oregon is
finally getting on board to serve its Podunk communities (those without
multiple legacy carriers). Investments in radar should be considered
old technology and the link to radar with ADS-B was a short term trail
relationship. Trail is over. The ADS-B system will cost GA owners
billions with a B for the equipment and the disconnect of radar
repeaters will save the FAA billions. It's all about privatization.
Moving the cost burden to the end users. Oh Yeh, the air carriers will
still get radar services.
I think you will find ADS-B will remain alive and well in AK but without
the ATC controllers watching on their screens. Remember ADF and VOR A
approaches up north?
John Cox - don't shoot the messengers.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Pull
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I very much agree with your general comments. The thing that's
crazy is, it ran for so long, yet suddenly it's time to
shut it off while they review it. Why can't they just conduct
their reviews and leave it run? It seems if controllers are
abusing their operational methods, those should be able to
be handled without taking a system down. I know at any
regular company we'd have internal discussions, and then follow
it up with new procedures, and then some consequences if the
procedures weren't followed. Working at a hospital I'm used to
a constant review and refinement process. It's just too
bad that the FAA apparently can't manage itself. I do hope
they work it out before rolling it out in the lower 48.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
grape gripe pipe pip whatever. a contextual spell checker would be nice.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
John,
I have no gripe about wood. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> I'd also like to hear from those who've chosen to use some type of
> wooden gripe, if anyone has. I'm interested in something simple,
> hardwood, but with enough of a "head" to hold a hat switch, and maybe
> 1 or 2 other buttons.
>
> John J.
> 328
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> seanblair@adelphia.net
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:59 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be what
> I want. It looks like several builders have installed these as well.
> Could you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and
> configurations of the buttons/switches?
>
> Also, is there anything you would like to change about the
> configuration you chose? Is it difficult to correct this after the
installation?
>
> Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you? Would you
> prefer having a "neutral" grip?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sean B.
> #40225
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
"Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B)
What is ADS-B?
Simply put, ADS-B is the future of air traffic control. Instead of using
radar data to keep aircraft at safe distances from one another, in the
future, signals from Global Positioning Satellites will provide air
traffic controllers and pilots with much more accurate information that
will help keep aircraft safely separated in the sky and on runways.
Eventually, with ADS-B, some of the responsibility for keeping safe
distances between aircraft will shift from air traffic controllers on
the ground to pilots who will have displays in the cockpits pinpointing
all the air traffic around them, along with local weather displays."
Exact excerpt from FAA Fact Sheet
For Immediate Release
May 2, 2006
Contact: Rebecca Trexler
Phone: (202) 267-3883
This is consistent with public remarks at Oregon Pilots Association
meeting of May 5th, 2005 - ONE YEAR AGO.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Pull
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I very much agree with your general comments. The thing that's
crazy is, it ran for so long, yet suddenly it's time to
shut it off while they review it. Why can't they just conduct
their reviews and leave it run? It seems if controllers are
abusing their operational methods, those should be able to
be handled without taking a system down. I know at any
regular company we'd have internal discussions, and then follow
it up with new procedures, and then some consequences if the
procedures weren't followed. Working at a hospital I'm used to
a constant review and refinement process. It's just too
bad that the FAA apparently can't manage itself. I do hope
they work it out before rolling it out in the lower 48.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
I opted for the wood grips that Van's sells. One version has both a PTT and
a coolie hat switch. I used a similar stick in my RV-6 and really liked it.
Since I'm not starting with roll trim, I used the side position of the
coolie hat for the autopilot control wheel steering.
One consideration I'd like to offer. I know a number of folks have put the
flap control on grip but I chose not to in order to prevent an inadvertent
flap extension at cruise speed. I think it would really get your attention
to get the flaps rolling at 170 knots and could be pretty easy to do. Just
my .02 worth, and it's not a problem as long as you never hit the wrong
button.
Marcus
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
I'd also like to hear from those who've chosen to use some type of wooden
gripe, if anyone has. I'm interested in something simple, hardwood, but
with enough of a "head" to hold a hat switch, and maybe 1 or 2 other
buttons.
John J.
328
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
seanblair@adelphia.net
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip
--> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
Hey everyone,
I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be what I
want. It looks like several builders have installed these as well. Could
you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and configurations
of the buttons/switches?
Also, is there anything you would like to change about the configuration you
chose? Is it difficult to correct this after the installation?
Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you? Would you prefer
having a "neutral" grip?
Thanks!
Sean B.
#40225
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| Subject: | Re: QB bagage door seal angle |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>From Vans
Unfortunately, you have one of the QB fuselages that the
Philippines messed up. Your only option is to remove the parts
that are not assembled according to instructions and fix them. We
have since gotten them to build the baggage door area correctly,
but that doesn't help you. We apologize for their oversight and the
extra work that it has caused you.
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| Subject: | Headliner Fabric |
I have been looking at the photographs of John Stewarts RV-10 and would
like to use the headliner fabric he used. Does anyone know where he got it?
His e-mail address? Colors? How to order, etc?
Thanks,
Jack Sparling
#40487
Starting canopy installation
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| Subject: | Re: QB bagage door seal angle |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
There's an old saying... "If you want it done right, do it yourself..."
So, I guess it would be a quick-rebuild-kit then, eh?
-Jim 40384 Slow build all the way (Ain't got da money!)
do not archive the preceeding humor.
Chris , Susie Darcy wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy"
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
>> From Vans
>
>
> Unfortunately, you have one of the QB fuselages that the Philippines
> messed up. Your only option is to remove the parts that are not
> assembled according to instructions and fix them. We have since
> gotten them to build the baggage door area correctly, but that doesn't
> help you. We apologize for their oversight and the extra work that it
> has caused you.
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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How about a valve at the intake? Related question...where are builders
mounting the "Knob" end of the heater cables so they are accessable but
non-interferring in the cabin?
Roger Standley
40291 - panel / fuselage
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Kermanj<mailto:flysrv10@gmail.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: tunnel heat
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj"
<flysrv10@gmail.com<mailto:flysrv10@gmail.com>>
I don't think that there is much room to accomodate another valve.
You will actaullay need two of them, one for the front duct and one
for the back.
Do not acrchive
On 4/25/06, Mike Lauritsen - Work
<mike@cleavelandtool.com<mailto:mike@cleavelandtool.com>> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mike Lauritsen - Work"
<mike@cleavelandtool.com<mailto:mike@cleavelandtool.com>>
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> I had been planning on a second valve as a "heat dump" so the
firewall valve
> is cold. After hearing this it sounds like this is an even better
idea.
> Really shutting off the heat has always been a problem in the -4.
That
> said, any of you that have the engine install done... is there room
for
> another T valve?
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> Mike Lauritsen
> Cleaveland Aircraft Tool
> 2225 First St.
> Boone, Iowa 50036
> 515-432-6794
> mike@cleavelandtool.com<mailto:mike@cleavelandtool.com>
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Kermanj
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:19 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: tunnel heat
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj"
<flysrv10@gmail.com<mailto:flysrv10@gmail.com>>
>
> I taped my heater valves shut and the problem is essentially solved
> for the time being. I think that the problem is in the valves.
They
> do not seal. After hearing of the problem, I even created a gasket
to
> seal the valves when they are shut. Apprently not good enough.
>
> The solution might be in some talented person with a good machine
shop
> producing a valve with positive seal.
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> On 4/25/06, zackrv8
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> > Well....I'm not at that point of construction yet, but the tunnel
heat
> does concern me. Looking at many of the Rv10 projects on the web,
it seems
> Van's has the 2 triangular shaped heat valves (same one I have in my
RV8)
> aiming the exhaust port at each other. This hot air is always
pointing at
> each other until you open the valve for cabin heat.
> >
> > Part of the tunnel heat problem could be as what Tim ond others
have
> said...heat conducting through the valve and radiating into the
tunnel.
> Also, if the heat valve(s) are the very same ones that I bought from
Vans (I
> believe they are), then they don't "seal" very well. If you have a
blast of
> hot air aiming at them constantly, (try experimenting with the valve
in your
> hand and blow some air with your air hose at the outlet side and see
what
> happens) they could possible leak and that hot air is forced down
the tunnel
> through a "leaky" valve. Maybe a solution would be to not point the
exhaust
> ports at each other and/or make a gasket to provide a better seal.
> >
> > Just a thought but it's possible.
> >
> > Zack
> >
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> > RV8 #80125
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I mounted mine on the bottom section of the panel left side for pilot
and co-pilot and right side for rear passengers.
Russ Daves
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Standley
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: tunnel heat
How about a valve at the intake? Related question...where are
builders mounting the "Knob" end of the heater cables so they are
accessable but non-interferring in the cabin?
Roger Standley
40291 - panel / fuselage
Do not acrchive
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| Subject: | Re: Headliner Fabric |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
He got it from the Orndorffs. I used the same fabric. There might
be other stuff that would be easier to use. It looks nice, but
I've heard that my stuff doesn't conform quite as nicely around
the curves.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jack Sparling wrote:
> I have been looking at the photographs of John Stewarts RV-10 and would
> like to use the headliner fabric he used. Does anyone know where he got
> it? His e-mail address? Colors? How to order, etc?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
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>
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> Jack Sparling
>
> #40487
>
> Starting canopy installation
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Another thing with the left-right-handed grips is that you are not gripping
the whole thing the whole time you are flying. You rest your hand on your
lap and just hang on with two or three fingers to the bottom of the grip.
Flying this way it works with both hands. When you are gripping the whole
grip is when you need to focus and need to have your inside hand on the
throttle, for the most part. Also, the autopilot ends up doing a lot of the
flying anyway.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Newman
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Newman" <rnewman@lutron.com>
Tim, What is EFIS mute??
Also, I second many of your opinions regarding the usefulness of the
buttons.
On our Glastar we have elev trim, PTT and autopilot disable, and com
swap. Its very manageable and intuitive.
Also, I fully agree that the need to switch hands is pretty much zero.
I've tried to fly with my right hand and that's about as awkward as
trying to write cursive with the wrong hand!
-Bob Newman
fuse slow build, going slowly :)
>>> Tim@MyRV10.com 5/11/2006 1:50:31 PM >>>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sean,
I started skeptically looking at the infinity. All the plastic
grips looked like toys to me, but now all that's changed.
In addition, I used to think I'd want a neutral grip, not left
or right. I also used to think I didn't need that many buttons.
Boy have I learned.
I am liking the right-hand/left-hand arrangement, as it's comfortable
and I find that I don't swap hands that much because you are more
or less required (not REQUIRED, but...) to use your right hand if
you're in the right seat and left if you're in the left, since
the throttle is in the middle. Being right handed, I think that
if you were doing lots of radio work from the right seat, you
may have other preferences, but I don't fly from the right in my
own plane, so I can't comment much on that.
I do use every switch, and wish I had one or two more. I am
using them as follows:
Hat switch - Aileron and Elevator trim
One top button - swap chelton screen modes
Other top switch (DPDT) - Com flip com1 (UP) / Com flip com2 (DN)
Thumb button - CWS/AP Disconnect
Trigger - PTT
Pinky button - EFIS MUTE
In addition, I wish I had another button to swap my 2nd
chelton screen mode.
I'm not a fan of putting flaps or engine start on the stick.
There are various reasons why, inadvertent activation being
the biggest, but if you talk to a bunch of people you'll
at least get thinking points.
I also have a locking-lever toggle on the panel that is used
to switch OFF the ground returns on some of the functions
on the co-pilot switch. This allows me to disable the
copilot's TRIM, so they can't mess with my trim (important
if you have kids over there).
I like the setup very much. I think other grips would be
nice too, but I do like what I have. The wires route
down the stick tube, and aren't visible at all in the cabin.
My biggest wish is that I would have either added one more
button to the stick for that 2nd screen swap, or perhaps
instead of had it be a button, I would have used a 2nd
DPDT toggle so the up and down could do it to either
screen.
Whatever multi-function stick you get, I think you'll
like having some of these things on the stick. EFIS
mute I use all the time.
Tim
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
seanblair@adelphia.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: seanblair@adelphia.net
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be
what
> I want. It looks like several builders have installed these as
well.
> Could you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and
> configurations of the buttons/switches?
>
> Also, is there anything you would like to change about the
> configuration you chose? Is it difficult to correct this after the
> installation?
>
> Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you? Would you
> prefer having a "neutral" grip?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sean B. #40225
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Darton Steve <sfdarton@yahoo.com>
"FAA Management" is an oxymoron! We just barely
commissioned the STARS RADAR replacement system that
was supposed to be in use nearly 8 years ago. While it
was years behind schedule at least it was BILLIONS
over budget. I expect no less form "FAA Management" on
ADS-B.
Steve 40212
FAA Air Traffic Controller 25 years
--- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson
> <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I very much agree with your general comments. The
> thing that's
> crazy is, it ran for so long, yet suddenly it's time
> to
> shut it off while they review it. Why can't they
> just conduct
> their reviews and leave it run? It seems if
> controllers are
> abusing their operational methods, those should be
> able to
> be handled without taking a system down. I know at
> any
> regular company we'd have internal discussions, and
> then follow
> it up with new procedures, and then some
> consequences if the
> procedures weren't followed. Working at a hospital
> I'm used to
> a constant review and refinement process. It's just
> too
> bad that the FAA apparently can't manage itself. I
> do hope
> they work it out before rolling it out in the lower
> 48.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> James Clark wrote:
> > Hmmmm.
> >
> > I read the article and it ***APPEARS*** to me that
> they are saying " ...
> > hold on a second, we have some operational issues
> with how this
> > integrates with the controllers activities so we
> are going to tak a
> > month or two to get it all sorted out and back
> online ..".
> >
> > **IF** this is the case, then it may very well be
> a **GOOD THING** that
> > they are making sure it is all sorted out before a
> big rollout.
> > Otherwise to fix something later would be REALLY
> expensive **and**
> > inconvenient.
> >
> > Let's give the the chance to get it right before
> we say they have
> > "pulled the plug".
> >
> > My comments are not directed at anyone in
> particular ... just an
> > alternate view.
> >
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> > On 5/11/06, *Jeffery J. Morgan*
> <jmorgan@compnetconcepts.com> wrote:
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jeffery J.
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> under there current
> > admin
> > and structure. This is one of the best things
> that have come along
> > since GPS, as far as I can see. There
> situational awareness is huge and
> > it is disappointing that the project has been
> put on hold, for what
> > appears very little reason.
> >
> > Hopefully reason will step in and maybe AOPA
> and push a bit hard outside
> > the FAA to push this safety info back i
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Off Field Landing |
Just got home from a week long trip for work. Wasn't me, although I
haven't been to my hangar to see if my airplane is still there!! Don't
think it would have been Al Cook (my airport) as I don't think his
fly-off hours are done yet. My last name is actually "Chamberlain" for
who ever cares. Mark (N104ML)
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
Cc: seanblair@adelphia.net
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
I have the Infinity grip on my RV-7A and like it a lot, though I had to revise
the Coolie hat wiring. Originally had the fore and aft Coolie hat control pitch
trim, and moving it to the left swapped frequencies on the #1 Comm, while moving
it right swapped frequencies on the #2 Comm. Bad idea -- found I was inadvertently
changing frequencies whenever I changed the pitch trim.
I now have it set up with:
Top left = fuel boost pump
Coolie hat fore/aft = pitch trim. Don't have electric aileron trim so left/right
on Coolie hat doesn't do anything currently.
Top right = flaps. Here the folks at Infinity recommended that down be momentary,
and up be a locking position. I have that, but often find when I shut the
plane down that the up flap motor is still running. On the -10 I am going to
put an Infinity in, but the flap switch will be momentary on in both directions.
Trigger = PTT, like everybody
Thumb button = transponder ident
Pinkie button = A/P disconnect.
It's a very comfortable grip -- in the -7A I have the resting position rotated
45 degrees, so my elbow sits on the elbow rest with my forearm angled about 45
degrees.
(see http://array.ucsd.edu/rv7a/2003-02-16_stickgrip.jpg )
I normally fly the plane with two fingers on the grip (thumb and index finger of
left hand). Only grap a handful of grip for takeoff and landing.
-Dan Masys
#40448 installing autopilot servos and wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Remember, that if you have the flap positioning system, when it get to the
top the motor shuts off and doesn't draw almost any current, just enough to
verify that it is in the up position, unless I am mistaken. Yes, it often
happens that the flap switch is left up, but that only is a problem if there
are two switches, and one is left up while the other is trying to put the
flaps down. That can be solved by the "disable copilot switches" switch if
there are two stick grips. Otherwise, leaving the flap switch in the
up-locked position, it is a reminder that the flaps are up, especially if,
as in N256H, you don't have a flap position indicator.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:32 PM
Cc: seanblair@adelphia.net
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
I have the Infinity grip on my RV-7A and like it a lot, though I had to
revise the Coolie hat wiring. Originally had the fore and aft Coolie hat
control pitch trim, and moving it to the left swapped frequencies on the #1
Comm, while moving it right swapped frequencies on the #2 Comm. Bad idea --
found I was inadvertently changing frequencies whenever I changed the pitch
trim.
I now have it set up with:
Top left = fuel boost pump
Coolie hat fore/aft = pitch trim. Don't have electric aileron trim so
left/right on Coolie hat doesn't do anything currently.
Top right = flaps. Here the folks at Infinity recommended that down be
momentary, and up be a locking position. I have that, but often find when I
shut the plane down that the up flap motor is still running. On the -10 I
am going to put an Infinity in, but the flap switch will be momentary on in
both directions.
Trigger = PTT, like everybody
Thumb button = transponder ident
Pinkie button = A/P disconnect.
It's a very comfortable grip -- in the -7A I have the resting position
rotated 45 degrees, so my elbow sits on the elbow rest with my forearm
angled about 45 degrees.
(see http://array.ucsd.edu/rv7a/2003-02-16_stickgrip.jpg )
I normally fly the plane with two fingers on the grip (thumb and index
finger of left hand). Only grap a handful of grip for takeoff and landing.
-Dan Masys
#40448 installing autopilot servos and wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
For the problem of a running flap motor I have put a running light next to
the flap switch (DPDT momentary down and switched up). light will indicate
that switch needs to be returned to neutral (center) position
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Masys" <dmasys@cox.net>
Cc: <seanblair@adelphia.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
> I have the Infinity grip on my RV-7A and like it a lot, though I had to
> revise the Coolie hat wiring. Originally had the fore and aft Coolie hat
> control pitch trim, and moving it to the left swapped frequencies on the
> #1 Comm, while moving it right swapped frequencies on the #2 Comm. Bad
> idea -- found I was inadvertently changing frequencies whenever I changed
> the pitch trim.
>
> I now have it set up with:
>
> Top left = fuel boost pump
> Coolie hat fore/aft = pitch trim. Don't have electric aileron trim so
> left/right on Coolie hat doesn't do anything currently.
> Top right = flaps. Here the folks at Infinity recommended that down be
> momentary, and up be a locking position. I have that, but often find when
> I shut the plane down that the up flap motor is still running. On the -10
> I am going to put an Infinity in, but the flap switch will be momentary on
> in both directions.
>
> Trigger = PTT, like everybody
> Thumb button = transponder ident
> Pinkie button = A/P disconnect.
>
> It's a very comfortable grip -- in the -7A I have the resting position
> rotated 45 degrees, so my elbow sits on the elbow rest with my forearm
> angled about 45 degrees.
> (see http://array.ucsd.edu/rv7a/2003-02-16_stickgrip.jpg )
>
> I normally fly the plane with two fingers on the grip (thumb and index
> finger of left hand). Only grap a handful of grip for takeoff and
> landing.
>
> -Dan Masys
> #40448 installing autopilot servos and wiring
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
Jesse, can you tell me how you installed electric rudder trim. I'm assuming
it's electric if there is a switch on the stick for it. I have been messing
with a tab on my rudder and have finally got a fairly neutral force for
cruise, but the ball is out one way on climb out and out the other in higher
speed descents. Not a big deal, at some point you have to fly these things
like real airplanes, but I was considering building a new rudder and adding
a built in tab with a servo in the tail to drive it. Just curious what you
came up with. Mark.(N104ML)
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| Subject: | Re: Off Field Landing |
I heard through unnamed sources that it was an RV-10 involved in an off
field landing near Paso Robles, CA. No injuries (except to a squirrel
hole), some damage to wheel fairings and possibly a gear leg. Name of
pilot not known as they are not affiliated with any list or group.
Apparently, those involved in the investigation ( possibly Vans) are
aware that we all want info about the cause as soon as it is available.
At this point it sounds like it is engine related, not aircraft or
system specific. I'm sure those involved will share any information with
us should it be determined that the cause relates to the design or
construction of the 10 or is operating specific to the 10. Mark.
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| Subject: | Re: QB bagage door seal angle |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Been there done that!! QB this time!!
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hein" <n8vim@arrl.net>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB bagage door seal angle
> --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
>
>
> There's an old saying... "If you want it done right, do it yourself..."
>
> So, I guess it would be a quick-rebuild-kit then, eh?
>
> -Jim 40384 Slow build all the way (Ain't got da money!)
>
> do not archive the preceeding humor.
>
> Chris , Susie Darcy wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy"
>> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
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>> assembled according to instructions and fix them. We have since
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>> help you. We apologize for their oversight and the extra work that it
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