Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:33 AM - Re: I'm having trouble getting insurance on my RV-10 (steveadams)
2. 06:53 AM - Defrost Fans (Barry Marz or Amy Marz)
3. 07:11 AM - Re: Defrost Fans (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
4. 07:12 AM - Re: Defrost Fans (Ralph E. Capen)
5. 07:23 AM - Re: Defrost Fans (Jerry Grimmonpre)
6. 07:25 AM - Re: I'm having trouble getting insurance on my RV-10 (Conti, Rick)
7. 07:35 AM - Re: Recent pictures of N519RV (40250) and Weight and Balance (JSMcGrew@aol.com)
8. 07:43 AM - Re: Almost finished painting! (John Jessen)
9. 08:06 AM - Re: Almost finished painting! (Tom Deutsch)
10. 08:23 AM - Re: RV-10 hull protection (John Gonzalez)
11. 11:57 AM - Re: Almost finished painting! (Jesse Saint)
12. 11:57 AM - Re: Almost finished painting! (Jesse Saint)
13. 12:03 PM - Your advice please (Neil Colliver)
14. 12:38 PM - Re: Your advice please (John Jessen)
15. 12:45 PM - Re: Your advice please (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
16. 12:47 PM - Re: Your advice please (Rick)
17. 01:05 PM - Re: Your advice please (Tim Olson)
18. 01:12 PM - New Trip to Central Ca. (Randy DeBauw)
19. 01:18 PM - Re: Your advice please (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 01:19 PM - Re: Your advice please (Jesse Saint)
21. 01:33 PM - Re: Your advice please (Neil Colliver)
22. 01:35 PM - Re: Your advice please (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
23. 01:46 PM - Re: Your advice please (John Gonzalez)
24. 01:53 PM - Re: Your advice please (John Gonzalez)
25. 01:53 PM - Re: Your advice please (John Gonzalez)
26. 01:55 PM - Re: New Trip to Central Ca. (Deems Davis)
27. 02:02 PM - Re: Your advice please (John Jessen)
28. 02:19 PM - Re: New Trip to Central Ca. (Randy DeBauw)
29. 02:19 PM - Rv-10 advice (Neil Colliver)
30. 02:54 PM - Re: Rv-10 advice (Tim Olson)
31. 02:59 PM - Re: Rv-10 advice (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
32. 03:20 PM - Re: New Trip to Central Ca. (Deems Davis)
33. 03:32 PM - Re: Rv-10 advice (Jesse Saint)
34. 03:41 PM - Re: New Trip to Central Ca. (Randy DeBauw)
35. 05:23 PM - Re: New Trip to Central Ca. (Robin Marks)
36. 07:13 PM - ding (Robert G. Wright)
37. 07:14 PM - Re: New Trip to Central Ca. (Evan and Megan Johnson)
38. 09:44 PM - Re: New Trip to Central Ca. (Brian S Douglas)
39. 10:13 PM - Re: GARMIN GI-106A VS. MD200-306 CDI (DejaVu)
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| Subject: | Re: I'm having trouble getting insurance on my RV-10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
I didn't build an RV-10, but had similar issues with my CH640. I opted to go without
insurance until I had about 100 hrs in the plane. The quoted rates dropped
almost 50%. I know that this option is not for everyone, but you may want to
consider this, or getting liability only until you build some time in your plane.
They usually won't cover hull damage for the first 10-15 hours anyway, but
you are still paying for it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=34836#34836
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Barry Marz or Amy Marz" <blalmarz@earthlink.net>
Does anyone know a good make/model computer fan to use as a defroster?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost Fans |
Don't know make or model, just went to electronics store and bought 2, about
4" for less than $10 each. Work fine.
Doug
RV-7A N731VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost Fans |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I bought a bunch of the small fans from radio shack - that way - hopefully, I'll
be able to get replacements.....
You can check with digi-key, allied electronics, or mouser......
there are a gozillion choices.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry Marz or Amy Marz <blalmarz@earthlink.net>
>Sent: May 15, 2006 9:49 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Defrost Fans
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Barry Marz or Amy Marz" <blalmarz@earthlink.net>
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>Does anyone know a good make/model computer fan to use as a defroster?
>Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost Fans |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Barry ...
I don't have a name for the fan but I just bought a NEW one on ebay. Paid
8$ and change including delivery. This one is 5" in diameter and uses 1/2
of an amp. Enter your search with "computer fan" and you'll get several
hits.
Jerry Grimmonpre'
RV8A Huntley IL
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Barry Marz or Amy Marz"
> <blalmarz@earthlink.net>
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> Does anyone know a good make/model computer fan to use as a defroster?
> Thanks
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| Subject: | I'm having trouble getting insurance on my RV-10 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
I had a lengthy email exchange with my broker. He provided me all the
info I needed including required transition training. He is very
responsive and great to work with, I highly recommend him.
Tony Rukavina
Ajruk84@aol.com
866-296-9665
Thank You
Rick Conti
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hasbrouck [mailto:jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: I'm having trouble getting insurance on my RV-10
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
<jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
I was quoted $4000.00 at Sun-n-Fun by Avemco for 150K hull and 1mil
liability. No hull coverage in first 10 hours of test flight. I have
1000
hours, SEL, Inst. with high perf. and complex signoffs. Suspect that as
the
fleet builds time the rates will go down but you have to remember that
those
extra two seats make a big difference in rating. I wonder what effect
transition training would have?
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: Recent pictures of N519RV (40250) and Weight and Balance |
Ray,
Could you post the part # / where you bought your tow bar? Aircraft Spruce
sells a bunch of them, but I'm not sure which one works with the RV-10
Thanks
Jim
40134 Finishing kit / FW forward
In a message dated 5/15/2006 7:46:15 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
Ray.R.Doerr@sprint.com writes:
Here are a few recent pictures of N519RV (40250). I also completed the W &
B yesterday, which weighed in at 1587 lbs.
Nose Wheel 369 lbs Arm 49.82
Right Main 609 lbs Arm 123.82
Left Main 609 lbs Arm 123.69
For the Weight and Balance, the gear leg fairings, wheel pants and intersect
fairing were not installed. The exterior of the plane in not painted, but
the interior is complete with carpet interior panels all painted except the
insides of the doors.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (N519RV) (DAR scheduled for Mon May 22nd, First Flight scheduled for
Fri May 26th)
Jim "Scooter" McGrew
jsmcgrew@aol.com
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| Subject: | Almost finished painting! |
Are you doing the painting yourself, Jesse? This is just gorgeous!
John Jessen
~328 Tailcone
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Almost finished painting!
This is a great feeling. Almost done with the paint. Sorry, Tim, but you
picked about the best colors there are for an airplane, IMHO. For those
interested, it's Sikkens tri-coat.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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| Subject: | Almost finished painting! |
What are the wings going to look like?
Tom Deutsch
#40545
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Almost finished painting!
This is a great feeling. Almost done with the paint. Sorry, Tim, but
you picked about the best colors there are for an airplane, IMHO. For
those interested, it's Sikkens tri-coat.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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| Subject: | RV-10 hull protection |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Looking forward to hearing about it.
JG. #409
>From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 hull protection
>Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:17:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
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>--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
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>Myself and my partner are have been developing a program that is very
>exciting and beneficial to all RV builders. We have worked on this project
>for close to 2 years and we are very close to going public with it. It is
>not insurance but a similar product to provide hull protection with a
>limited liability option through regular carriers. We hope to speak with
>all interested parties at OSH in person. Once it is ready to go we will
>have information available through our web site and written brochures. Some
>may recall very early conversations on the old Yahoo site. We are almost
>ready to reveal the entire package. The only reason I even bring it up at
>this point is to let everyone know there is another option that will be
>available shortly and the discussions of late on the list proves there is a
>need for protection other than high insurance rates without representation
>or benefit. We look forward to meeting all of you in the future to discuss
>this.
>
>Rick Sked
>40185
>Fuse/Finish
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| Subject: | Almost finished painting! |
White wings. The will be a silver line on the VS and Rudder, but that
is
it. Nice and simple.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Deutsch
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Almost finished painting!
What are the wings going to look like?
Tom Deutsch
#40545
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Almost finished painting!
This is a great feeling. Almost done with the paint. Sorry, Tim, but
you
picked about the best colors there are for an airplane, IMHO. For those
interested, it=92s Sikkens tri-coat.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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| Subject: | Almost finished painting! |
We are doing it at an auto paint shop here in Quito. Thanks.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Almost finished painting!
Are you doing the painting yourself, Jesse? This is just gorgeous!
John Jessen
~328 Tailcone
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Almost finished painting!
This is a great feeling. Almost done with the paint. Sorry, Tim, but
you
picked about the best colors there are for an airplane, IMHO. For those
interested, it=92s Sikkens tri-coat.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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| Subject: | Your advice please |
Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.
Here are my plans & reasons.
We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250
hours complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short
strips / beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7!
(Something to do with having no TV ), so could do with something
bigger, and faster. (70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow to
get anywhere.
Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4
people & decent fuel)
An RV 10 would enable a good chunk of us to go places here in NZ.
My wife & I both have our PPL's, me with 250 hrs, her with 120 hours+2
babies in the same time span! - I know who worked harder!
We can't afford or justify the Cheltons & most, if not all of our
flying will be VFR around middle earth, often just for an hour locally.
So, our choice and reason are as follows.
RV-10 QB - so we can be flying in about 1300 hours - starting to build
in Jan 2007, full time, 2 people.
Also the prop & govenor cable, FWF kit, ES WH-10 wiring kit & some
antenas
IO540 from BRE, inc P-mags (available late this year I hope), cold air
(more power for a grass strip,) and the James cowl
Hartzel constant speed from Vans ( 3 blade composites too expensive)
LED lights from Thor LLC
Panel --Aaarrgggghhhhh!
Probably will get the lancair one. - any comments?
Every one speaks highly of the Cheltons, but I think even they have had
a recall recently. But too expensive anyway, unless they are about to
bring the price down by 50%, then I would grab a pair.
But I would love the highway in the sky, so it's got to be the Blue
Mountain G4 set up with the 6" screen, (& probably their autopilot).
Also gives GPS. (Advanced Flight Sys also came highly recommended, but
have no future plans for a 3d highway in the sky.)
Backing that up will be the Dynon EFIS D100 7" screen, so we have 2
completely separate EFIS's for safety.
Garmin DNS430 for nav / com / GPS
Garmin GTX330 for Mode S transponder - the our local radar station just
upgraded to mode S, making my Microair transponder very intermittent at
best. Also the 330 will display traffic on the 430.
EI MVP50 EIS - a little expensive, but seems what Vans recommends
PC Eng PMA 8000 - for the romance of music when flying beautiful NZ
Some kind of 406 ELT, because so many planes just simply disappear in
NZ, even with state of the art ELT's.
I know this all adds up to a fairly ugly looking panel, but I would
appreciate any helpful comments / /suggestions or dire warnings on the
whole set up. Have I missed anything obvious?
Thanks
Neil & Sarah Colliver+++++
N Island, NZ.
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| Subject: | Your advice please |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
What is the question? You want permission to do a -10? Yes! Do one!
Seats 4, though. Also, get a TV with a DVD player, in lieu of something
more permanent! (insert smiley face here)
John Jessen
328 Tailcone
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil Colliver
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Your advice please
Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.
Here are my plans & reasons.
We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250 hours
complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short strips /
beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7!
(Something to do with having no TV ), so could do with something bigger, and
faster. (70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow to get anywhere.
Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4
people & decent fuel)
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| Subject: | Your advice please |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
5 kids - better get a Murphy Moose . . . that would handle that strip,
too.
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Your advice please
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
What is the question? You want permission to do a -10? Yes! Do one!
Seats 4, though. Also, get a TV with a DVD player, in lieu of something
more permanent! (insert smiley face here)
John Jessen
328 Tailcone
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil Colliver
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Your advice please
Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.
Here are my plans & reasons.
We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250 hours
complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short strips /
beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7!
(Something to do with having no TV ), so could do with something bigger,
and
faster. (70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow to get
anywhere.
Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4
people & decent fuel)
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| Subject: | Re: Your advice please |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Your thoughts look ideal to me, heck a Garmin 396, transponder, radio stack, ACS
has a great engine monitor/EFIS that just came out and is very reasonable. You
don't need the Cheltons, you can still go all electric Heck your doing what
Van says his idea and RV should be. Use the standard panel that comes with the
kit, no need to spend a lot of money on an aftermarket panel. Look at the Colorada
-10's very conventional but great looking panels. There didn't look like
there were any obstructions at your field. I say go for.
Rick S.
40185
Fuse/finish
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| Subject: | Re: Your advice please |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I agree, a Murphy Moose, and a big case of condoms so you don't
need to buy a King Air and move to a big strip.
If not a Moose, maybe a pair of -10 so everyone can fly somewhere. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
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> 5 kids - better get a Murphy Moose . . . that would handle that strip,
> too.
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> TDT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:36 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Your advice please
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> What is the question? You want permission to do a -10? Yes! Do one!
> Seats 4, though. Also, get a TV with a DVD player, in lieu of something
> more permanent! (insert smiley face here)
>
> John Jessen
> 328 Tailcone
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil Colliver
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:01 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Your advice please
>
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> Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.
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> Here are my plans & reasons.
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> We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250 hours
> complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short strips /
> beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7!
> (Something to do with having no TV ), so could do with something bigger,
> and
> faster. (70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow to get
> anywhere.
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> people & decent fuel)
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| Subject: | New Trip to Central Ca. |
Well it is time to go flying again. Looking for a little wine country
tour. Is anyone familiar with Angwin-Parrett airport or Sonoma County.
Which is better for rental cars and hotel access. Randy 40006.
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| Subject: | Your advice please |
Neil,
If you are wondering weather or not a 550m strip is long enough, it
should be under most conditions if you are comfortable with grass. I
myself will be operating out of a 1400ft grass strip where the average
summer temps are around 100F. I have talked to several people that are
used to flying the -10 now and they don't think it will be a problem
most of the time. Exception would be heavy or a wet field on landing.
I am also building to that mission profile and going with a new engine
and a 3 blade prop for the climb performance. I will probably also be
extending out the runway to 2500ft in the future. If the -10 is making
it's published numbers, I feel fairly comfortable with a 1400' grass
strip. But I also flew skydivers for many years off of a grass strip in
a gross loaded C182 that had a beat engine.
Hope this helps!
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil Colliver
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Your advice please
Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.
Here are my plans & reasons.
We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250 hours
complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short strips /
beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7!
(Something to do with having no TV ), so could do with something bigger,
and faster. (70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow to get
anywhere.
Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4
people & decent fuel)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Whatever plane you decide to get, don't stop having kids, contrary to what
others may suggest. If not having a TV works, then don't buy one. :-) Not
having one seems to be working for us.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Your advice please
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I agree, a Murphy Moose, and a big case of condoms so you don't
need to buy a King Air and move to a big strip.
If not a Moose, maybe a pair of -10 so everyone can fly somewhere. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> 5 kids - better get a Murphy Moose . . . that would handle that strip,
> too.
>
> TDT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:36 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Your advice please
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> What is the question? You want permission to do a -10? Yes! Do one!
> Seats 4, though. Also, get a TV with a DVD player, in lieu of something
> more permanent! (insert smiley face here)
>
> John Jessen
> 328 Tailcone
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil Colliver
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:01 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Your advice please
>
>
> Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.
>
> Here are my plans & reasons.
>
> We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250 hours
> complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short strips /
> beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7!
> (Something to do with having no TV ), so could do with something bigger,
> and
> faster. (70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow to get
> anywhere.
>
> Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4
> people & decent fuel)
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Neil Colliver <neilcolliver@maxnet.co.nz>
John,
Permission not needed. We are all agreed. It's just finding the right
combination.
A good & fun wife who fly's is much more entertaining than a TV. Ever
had a good conversation with your TV?
More children is an excuse for more planes when your wife loves flying.
Early morning here in NZ, sun is rising on a beautiful cold clear day.
I am afraid to say I left my other half in bed keeping an an on the
children while I went for a fly.
do not archive
Neil
On 17 May 2006, at 7:36, John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> What is the question? You want permission to do a -10? Yes! Do one!
> Seats 4, though. Also, get a TV with a DVD player, in lieu of
> something
> more permanent! (insert smiley face here)
>
> John Jessen
> 328 Tailcone
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil
> Colliver
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:01 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Your advice please
>
>
> Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.
>
> Here are my plans & reasons.
>
> We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250
> hours
> complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short strips
> /
> beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7!
> (Something to do with having no TV ), so could do with something
> bigger, and
> faster. (70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow to get
> anywhere.
>
> Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4
> people & decent fuel)
>
>
Neil
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In a message dated 5/16/06 4:20:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rvbuilder@sausen.net writes:
If you are wondering weather or not a 550m strip is long enough
According to my calculator that 1,804' and I'm sure the DA in NZ is
certainly not the same as in summer AZ...
Patrick
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Look into a Sherpa, I think you can get all 7 in there. Awesome looking
aircraft with awesome STOL performance and great looks. Go light on the
panel to save $$$$ for the plane and engine.
Just my other wish list.
Do Not Archive.
John G. 409
>From: Neil Colliver <neilcolliver@maxnet.co.nz>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Your advice please
>Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 07:01:22 +1200
>
>
>Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.
>
>Here are my plans & reasons.
>
>We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250 hours
>complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short strips /
>beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7! (Something
>to do with having no TV ), so could do with something bigger, and faster.
>(70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow to get anywhere.
>
>Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4
>people & decent fuel)
><< DSCN0726.JPG >>
>
>
>An RV 10 would enable a good chunk of us to go places here in NZ.
>
>My wife & I both have our PPL's, me with 250 hrs, her with 120 hours+2
>babies in the same time span! - I know who worked harder!
>
>We can't afford or justify the Cheltons & most, if not all of our flying
>will be VFR around middle earth, often just for an hour locally.
>
>So, our choice and reason are as follows.
>
>
>RV-10 QB - so we can be flying in about 1300 hours - starting to build in
>Jan 2007, full time, 2 people.
>Also the prop & govenor cable, FWF kit, ES WH-10 wiring kit & some antenas
>
>IO540 from BRE, inc P-mags (available late this year I hope), cold air
>(more power for a grass strip,) and the James cowl
>
>Hartzel constant speed from Vans ( 3 blade composites too expensive)
>
>LED lights from Thor LLC
>
>
>Panel --Aaarrgggghhhhh!
>
>Probably will get the lancair one. - any comments?
>
>Every one speaks highly of the Cheltons, but I think even they have had a
>recall recently. But too expensive anyway, unless they are about to bring
>the price down by 50%, then I would grab a pair.
>
>But I would love the highway in the sky, so it's got to be the Blue
>Mountain G4 set up with the 6" screen, (& probably their autopilot). Also
>gives GPS. (Advanced Flight Sys also came highly recommended, but have no
>future plans for a 3d highway in the sky.)
>
>Backing that up will be the Dynon EFIS D100 7" screen, so we have 2
>completely separate EFIS's for safety.
>
>Garmin DNS430 for nav / com / GPS
>
>Garmin GTX330 for Mode S transponder - the our local radar station just
>upgraded to mode S, making my Microair transponder very intermittent at
>best. Also the 330 will display traffic on the 430.
>
>EI MVP50 EIS - a little expensive, but seems what Vans recommends
>
>PC Eng PMA 8000 - for the romance of music when flying beautiful NZ
>
>Some kind of 406 ELT, because so many planes just simply disappear in NZ,
>even with state of the art ELT's.
>
>I know this all adds up to a fairly ugly looking panel, but I would
>appreciate any helpful comments / /suggestions or dire warnings on the
>whole set up. Have I missed anything obvious?
>
>Thanks
>
>Neil & Sarah Colliver+++++
>N Island, NZ.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
One child and no T. V. 10 years now, and still having a lot of adult fun.
Everything on the tube is either negative news or makes you fearful to leave
the house for fear of death and having a CSI investigation in your front
yard.
Better to let the neighbors see the plane in the garage.
Jg. 409
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>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Your advice please
>Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:19:19 -0500
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
>Whatever plane you decide to get, don't stop having kids, contrary to what
>others may suggest. If not having a TV works, then don't buy one. :-) Not
>having one seems to be working for us.
>
>Do not archive.
>
>Jesse Saint
>I-TEC, Inc.
>jesse@itecusa.org
>www.itecusa.org
>352-465-4545
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:04 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Your advice please
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>I agree, a Murphy Moose, and a big case of condoms so you don't
>need to buy a King Air and move to a big strip.
>
>If not a Moose, maybe a pair of -10 so everyone can fly somewhere. ;)
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >
> >
> > 5 kids - better get a Murphy Moose . . . that would handle that strip,
> > too.
> >
> > TDT
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:36 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Your advice please
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
> >
> > What is the question? You want permission to do a -10? Yes! Do one!
> > Seats 4, though. Also, get a TV with a DVD player, in lieu of something
> > more permanent! (insert smiley face here)
> >
> > John Jessen
> > 328 Tailcone
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil Colliver
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:01 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Your advice please
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.
> >
> > Here are my plans & reasons.
> >
> > We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250 hours
> > complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short strips /
> > beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7!
> > (Something to do with having no TV ), so could do with something bigger,
> > and
> > faster. (70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow to get
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4
> > people & decent fuel)
> >
> >
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
One child and no T. V. 10 years now,(NPR only) and still having a lot of
adult fun. Everything on the tube is either negative news or makes you
fearful to leave the house for fear of death and having a CSI investigation
in your front yard.
Better to let the neighbors see the plane in the garage.
Jg. 409
Do Not archive
>From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Your advice please
>Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:19:19 -0500
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
>Whatever plane you decide to get, don't stop having kids, contrary to what
>others may suggest. If not having a TV works, then don't buy one. :-) Not
>having one seems to be working for us.
>
>Do not archive.
>
>Jesse Saint
>I-TEC, Inc.
>jesse@itecusa.org
>www.itecusa.org
>352-465-4545
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:04 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Your advice please
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>I agree, a Murphy Moose, and a big case of condoms so you don't
>need to buy a King Air and move to a big strip.
>
>If not a Moose, maybe a pair of -10 so everyone can fly somewhere. ;)
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
> >
> >
> > 5 kids - better get a Murphy Moose . . . that would handle that strip,
> > too.
> >
> > TDT
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:36 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Your advice please
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
> >
> > What is the question? You want permission to do a -10? Yes! Do one!
> > Seats 4, though. Also, get a TV with a DVD player, in lieu of something
> > more permanent! (insert smiley face here)
> >
> > John Jessen
> > 328 Tailcone
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil Colliver
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:01 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Your advice please
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.
> >
> > Here are my plans & reasons.
> >
> > We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250 hours
> > complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short strips /
> > beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under 7!
> > (Something to do with having no TV ), so could do with something bigger,
> > and
> > faster. (70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow to get
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4
> > people & decent fuel)
> >
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I used to live in Santa Rosa, and am pretty familiar with the area.
Angwin is a small airport located in the top of the hills on the east
side of the Sonoma valley. Services are limited there, I doubt that
they have rental cars available. Sonoma County (Charles Schultz)KSTS has
several rental car companies to choose from. Your other alternative
would be Napa airport where I'm sure they have rental cars. Depending
upon where you plan to stay either Sonoma county or Napa would be fine.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Randy DeBauw wrote:
> Well it is time to go flying again. Looking for a little wine country
> tour. Is anyone familiar with Angwin-Parrett airport or Sonoma
> County. Which is better for rental cars and hotel access. Randy
> 40006.
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Ah, so. Just saw your attachment. Yes, as Rick S stated, you don't have to
break the bank for a great panel. And, as Michael S pointed out, this is a
heavy hauler that may not take as much punishment as a 182, and not as
easily loaded, but can get in and out equally as well.
As for the rest, you describe a very wonderful life style choice and have
been blessed with a wonderful partner and children. Can't beat that. Enjoy
to the fullest!
John Jessen
~328 Tailcone
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil Colliver
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Your advice please
--> RV10-List message posted by: Neil Colliver
--> <neilcolliver@maxnet.co.nz>
John,
Permission not needed. We are all agreed. It's just finding the right
combination.
A good & fun wife who fly's is much more entertaining than a TV. Ever had a
good conversation with your TV?
More children is an excuse for more planes when your wife loves flying.
Early morning here in NZ, sun is rising on a beautiful cold clear day.
I am afraid to say I left my other half in bed keeping an an on the children
while I went for a fly.
do not archive
Neil
On 17 May 2006, at 7:36, John Jessen wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> What is the question? You want permission to do a -10? Yes! Do one!
> Seats 4, though. Also, get a TV with a DVD player, in lieu of
> something more permanent! (insert smiley face here)
>
> John Jessen
> 328 Tailcone
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil
> Colliver
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:01 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Your advice please
>
>
> Hi everyone. & especially those who have advised me off the list.
>
> Here are my plans & reasons.
>
> We currently have a Savannah microlight which went together in 250
> hours complete + paint. Brilliant little 2 seat metal plane for short
> strips / beaches / etc. But our family is now up to 5 children under
> 7!
> (Something to do with having no TV ), so could do with something
> bigger, and faster. (70knots cruise is great local fun, but sloooow
> to get anywhere.
>
> Our grass strip is 550m (ruling out a 2nd hand 50 year old C712 with 4
> people & decent fuel)
>
>
Neil
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Thanks for the input. Is Sonoma or Napa better to be centrally located
in the wine country? Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Trip to Central Ca.
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I used to live in Santa Rosa, and am pretty familiar with the area.
Angwin is a small airport located in the top of the hills on the east
side of the Sonoma valley. Services are limited there, I doubt that
they have rental cars available. Sonoma County (Charles Schultz)KSTS has
several rental car companies to choose from. Your other alternative
would be Napa airport where I'm sure they have rental cars. Depending
upon where you plan to stay either Sonoma county or Napa would be fine.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Randy DeBauw wrote:
> Well it is time to go flying again. Looking for a little wine country
> tour. Is anyone familiar with Angwin-Parrett airport or Sonoma
> County. Which is better for rental cars and hotel access. Randy
> 40006.
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Neil Colliver <neilcolliver@maxnet.co.nz>
Hi guys
Thanks for all your comments about bigger or more suitable planes &
how to stop children:-)
Great to hear so many of you having fun without TV;-)
However,.....
Is my proposed set up about right?
RV-10 QB - so we can be flying in about 1300 hours - starting to build
in Jan 2007, full time, 2 people.
Also the prop & govenor cable, FWF kit, ES WH-10 wiring kit & some
antenas
IO540 from BRE, inc P-mags (available late this year I hope), cold air
(more power for a grass strip,) and the James cowl
Hartzel constant speed from Vans ( 3 blade composites too expensive)
LED lights from Thor LLC
Panel --Aaarrgggghhhhh!
Probably will get the lancair one. - any comments?
Every one speaks highly of the Cheltons, but I think even they have had
a recall recently. But too expensive anyway, unless they are about to
bring the price down by 50%, then I would grab a pair.
But I would love the highway in the sky, so it's got to be the Blue
Mountain G4 set up with the 6" screen, (& probably their autopilot).
Also gives GPS. (Advanced Flight Sys also came highly recommended, but
have no future plans for a 3d highway in the sky.)
Backing that up will be the Dynon EFIS D100 7" screen, so we have 2
completely separate EFIS's for safety.
Garmin DNS430 for nav / com / GPS
Garmin GTX330 for Mode S transponder - the our local radar station just
upgraded to mode S, making my Microair transponder very intermittent at
best. Also the 330 will display traffic on the 430.
EI MVP50 EIS - a little expensive, but seems what Vans recommends
PC Eng PMA 8000 - for the romance of music when flying beautiful NZ
Some kind of 406 ELT, because so many planes just simply disappear in
NZ, even with state of the art ELT's.
I know this all adds up to a fairly ugly looking panel, but I would
appreciate any helpful comments / /suggestions or dire warnings on the
whole set up. Have I missed anything obvious?
Thanks
Neil & Sarah Colliver+++++
N Island, NZ.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I think the reason you're not getting super-specific replies is
that most of the items aren't relevant to you enjoying your
RV-10, and could go any number of ways and still be "right".
You're really the only one who knows what's right for you.
RV-10 QB: Nice, but you're going to pay more...and you said you're
kind of on a budget. With 2 people, full-time, you probably can't
build it in 1300 hours, but doing a slow build may only take you
3 months extra or possibly even less, if you're truly building full
time.
Sure, get a prop, FWF Kit, Wiring harness and antennas from Vans.
Get the antennas anywhere and you're find.
I know people love their engine companies, but really,
you're going to be happy with an IO-540 with or without the
cold air induction and James cowl. They may be nice, but
necessary....certainly not. Your RV-10 will fly beautifully
either way, and I would doubt that if the plane is "safe"
to take off your short field with the Cold Air induction,
that it would be "unsafe" without it....if it is, then
you're crazy to be cutting it that close anyway.
The small things, like LED's, are too minor to even worry about.
Just pick those things while you build, and don't buy everything
immediately....just by being part of the online building
community you'll have bits of head-turning info that show
up regularly that will affect your choices.
As for panels, if you're looking to save money, the Lancair panel
will not save you any, and considering you want it built in a
minimal timeframe, you would do best if you plan to have them
build it to pay for it up front at the time you buy your tail
kit, because yes, their lead time is probably that long.
Figure a full year these days, and that's if they don't screw
you on delivery as is being so common with their customers.
You mentioned VFR, but then wanting Blue Mountain for HITS.
Seems contradictory. If you want some nice looking stuff
that will do more than VFR, you can choose Blue Mountain, or
save even more and buy Rob Hickman's stuff, which looks very
good. Grand Rapids is currently about as good as you can get
for functionality on a budget, but the graphics don't hold
a candle to the AFS stuff. Again though, especially going
VFR only, there isn't too much of a way to go wrong on your
panel, and the Cheltons would certainly be overkill if
you're on a tighter budget, especially if VFR.
All the other stuff is minor as well. Use whatever you
feel the best about paying for. Your choices certainly
aren't bad ones. It's going to be impossible to have
any one concept "blessed" as perfect, because perfect has
many different meanings to everyone. If it feels right
for you, it probably is.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Neil Colliver wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Neil Colliver <neilcolliver@maxnet.co.nz>
>
> Hi guys
>
> Thanks for all your comments about bigger or more suitable planes & how
> to stop children:-)
> Great to hear so many of you having fun without TV;-)
>
> However,.....
>
> Is my proposed set up about right?
>
>
> RV-10 QB - so we can be flying in about 1300 hours - starting to build
> in Jan 2007, full time, 2 people.
> Also the prop & govenor cable, FWF kit, ES WH-10 wiring kit & some antenas
>
> IO540 from BRE, inc P-mags (available late this year I hope), cold air
> (more power for a grass strip,) and the James cowl
>
> Hartzel constant speed from Vans ( 3 blade composites too expensive)
>
> LED lights from Thor LLC
>
>
>
> Panel --Aaarrgggghhhhh!
>
> Probably will get the lancair one. - any comments?
>
> Every one speaks highly of the Cheltons, but I think even they have had
> a recall recently. But too expensive anyway, unless they are about to
> bring the price down by 50%, then I would grab a pair.
>
> But I would love the highway in the sky, so it's got to be the Blue
> Mountain G4 set up with the 6" screen, (& probably their autopilot).
> Also gives GPS. (Advanced Flight Sys also came highly recommended, but
> have no future plans for a 3d highway in the sky.)
>
> Backing that up will be the Dynon EFIS D100 7" screen, so we have 2
> completely separate EFIS's for safety.
>
> Garmin DNS430 for nav / com / GPS
>
> Garmin GTX330 for Mode S transponder - the our local radar station just
> upgraded to mode S, making my Microair transponder very intermittent at
> best. Also the 330 will display traffic on the 430.
>
> EI MVP50 EIS - a little expensive, but seems what Vans recommends
>
> PC Eng PMA 8000 - for the romance of music when flying beautiful NZ
>
> Some kind of 406 ELT, because so many planes just simply disappear in
> NZ, even with state of the art ELT's.
>
> I know this all adds up to a fairly ugly looking panel, but I would
> appreciate any helpful comments / /suggestions or dire warnings on the
> whole set up. Have I missed anything obvious?
>
> Thanks
>
> Neil & Sarah Colliver+++++
> N Island, NZ.
>
>
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Sounds pretty good. You will make the best progress by working on it
daily, you would be surprised how much taking little breaks causes you
to "get up to speed" again which adds lot's of hours. 1300 hours might
still be pushing it though.
Not familiar with BRE but based on the cold air induction comment I'm
guessing you meant Barrett. I think that's a good choice but hey, I
bought his engine so I'm biased. I also like James cowl and will be
going with it, and his plenum, even if I don't get the cold air. You
may also want to look at the Forsling exhaust which is only a couple
hundred more than the Vetterman and is ceramic coated. Allen has seen a
little better HP out of the Forsling also.
If you don't mind loosing a little top end the 3 blade MT isn't a
whole lot more expensive and will give you better climb and smoothness.
I like the Aerocomposite but that's just waaaay to much for my budget.
Not familiar with Thor either, I went with Bill Dube's LED's and like
them so far.
Lancair panel, order now and you *might* have it when you need it. If
you are going to stick with a fairly straight forward panel there is no
reason not to tackle it yourself. You could always go with the Approach
Systems HUB if you hate wiring or don't want to risk prodding your
avionics into giving up their black magic smoke.
As for the BMA stuff, I like it but it's always in a state of flux. I
am actually going to use a Lite G4 for my backup instruments. Stay away
from their autopilot though and get a Trutrak. BMA had an overcenter
event on an installation, thankfully it was on the ground at the time.
I believe they fixed the problem but that is some seriously bad mojo to
mess with. Just the thought of an overcenter control makes me break out
in a cold sweat.
Everything above is solely the opinion of a mad man and is not to be
taken as anything resembling good advice. YMMV, FWIW, SNAFU, FUBAR,
etc. :-)
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil Colliver
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rv-10 advice
--> RV10-List message posted by: Neil Colliver
--> <neilcolliver@maxnet.co.nz>
Hi guys
Thanks for all your comments about bigger or more suitable planes & how
to stop children:-)
Great to hear so many of you having fun without TV;-)
However,.....
Is my proposed set up about right?
RV-10 QB - so we can be flying in about 1300 hours - starting to build
in Jan 2007, full time, 2 people.
Also the prop & govenor cable, FWF kit, ES WH-10 wiring kit & some
antenas
IO540 from BRE, inc P-mags (available late this year I hope), cold air
(more power for a grass strip,) and the James cowl
Hartzel constant speed from Vans ( 3 blade composites too expensive)
LED lights from Thor LLC
Panel --Aaarrgggghhhhh!
Probably will get the lancair one. - any comments?
Every one speaks highly of the Cheltons, but I think even they have had
a recall recently. But too expensive anyway, unless they are about to
bring the price down by 50%, then I would grab a pair.
But I would love the highway in the sky, so it's got to be the Blue
Mountain G4 set up with the 6" screen, (& probably their autopilot).
Also gives GPS. (Advanced Flight Sys also came highly recommended, but
have no future plans for a 3d highway in the sky.)
Backing that up will be the Dynon EFIS D100 7" screen, so we have 2
completely separate EFIS's for safety.
Garmin DNS430 for nav / com / GPS
Garmin GTX330 for Mode S transponder - the our local radar station just
upgraded to mode S, making my Microair transponder very intermittent at
best. Also the 330 will display traffic on the 430.
EI MVP50 EIS - a little expensive, but seems what Vans recommends
PC Eng PMA 8000 - for the romance of music when flying beautiful NZ
Some kind of 406 ELT, because so many planes just simply disappear in
NZ, even with state of the art ELT's.
I know this all adds up to a fairly ugly looking panel, but I would
appreciate any helpful comments / /suggestions or dire warnings on the
whole set up. Have I missed anything obvious?
Thanks
Neil & Sarah Colliver+++++
N Island, NZ.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
That depends upon which wineries you plan to visit. Napa is located at
the south end of the Napa Valley., So most of the Napa county wineries
are North from there. Sonoma county is at the North end of the Sonoma
Valley, but smack dab in the middle of the Alexander valley. And closer
to the Mendocino county wineries. I believe that Sonoma county provides
the best overall access. If you have a car it's not a big deal which
airport as you can drive from Sonoma county to Napa airport in about 45
min. You can take a slight longer routt that goes from Santa Rosa over
the Calistoga Hwy and then heads down the Napa Valley. (1:15) This is a
beautiful time to visit, if you get there before early June the hills
that surround the valleys should still be green.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Randy DeBauw wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>
>Thanks for the input. Is Sonoma or Napa better to be centrally located
>in the wine country? Randy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:55 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Trip to Central Ca.
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>I used to live in Santa Rosa, and am pretty familiar with the area.
>Angwin is a small airport located in the top of the hills on the east
>side of the Sonoma valley. Services are limited there, I doubt that
>they have rental cars available. Sonoma County (Charles Schultz)KSTS has
>
>several rental car companies to choose from. Your other alternative
>would be Napa airport where I'm sure they have rental cars. Depending
>upon where you plan to stay either Sonoma county or Napa would be fine.
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Fuse
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>Randy DeBauw wrote:
>
>
>
>>Well it is time to go flying again. Looking for a little wine country
>>tour. Is anyone familiar with Angwin-Parrett airport or Sonoma
>>County. Which is better for rental cars and hotel access. Randy
>>40006.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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I agree with a lot of things Tim said and a lot of things Michael said.
Basically, going with more than a Dynon or similar EFIS, TruTrak auto
pilot
and a portable GPS (with maybe a few cheap backups) is more than enough
for
VFR. If you are going IFR, then the whole world changes. Although I
really
like the BMA stuff (from what I have seen in pictures), I would not even
consider other than a TruTrak autopilot. If you are wanting a good
panel
reasonably and made it good time, I have not heard anything bad about
Stein,
and he also has a fiberglass panel that he sells, and he does a great
job of
panel work from everything I have seen. The lancair guys do good work,
but
I have heard too many horror stories (including a price quote that I
asked
for) to even consider that route, mainly on timing.
On the engine, I don=92t think you can go wrong with a BPA engine. I
agree
with Tim that if the normal 260HP engine won=92t do your field, then the
cold
air induction and James cowl won=92t be safe either, even if they do
just put
you over the edge. I love the idea of the BPA engine with
high-compression
pistons, Cold air induction, P-mags and a James cowl (the ceramic
exhaust
sounds great too), though. That would be a sweat-looking and
high-performing plane=85wait, any RV-10 with an IO-540 fits this
category.
On the 1300 hours, that all depends. If you plan on flying like a
certain
individual that was at Oshkosh last year with 120 gallon fuel capacity,
he
probably didn=92t have much (if any) more than 1300 hours in his
slow-build
-10. Getting a plane flying without fiberglass finishing and paint is
at
most a 75% complete airplane. We have put at least 500 hours in that
process on N415EC. It is worth it, but take that out of 1300 and you
have
800 hours to finish a quickbuild, which is way low, I would say. I
don=92t
remember the name, but to the guy who is selling his 90% completed kit
that
doesn=92t have the cabin top on yet, you are probably more like about
70% done
at best, unless you plan to fly like JN.
This is all IMHO. Do not archive.
GOD BLESS!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rv-10 advice
Sounds pretty good. You will make the best progress by working on it
daily, you would be surprised how much taking little breaks causes you
to
"get up to speed" again which adds lot's of hours. 1300 hours might
still
be pushing it though.
Not familiar with BRE but based on the cold air induction comment I'm
guessing you meant Barrett. I think that's a good choice but hey, I
bought
his engine so I'm biased. I also like James cowl and will be going with
it,
and his plenum, even if I don't get the cold air. You may also want to
look
at the Forsling exhaust which is only a couple hundred more than the
Vetterman and is ceramic coated. Allen has seen a little better HP out
of
the Forsling also.
If you don't mind loosing a little top end the 3 blade MT isn't a
whole
lot more expensive and will give you better climb and smoothness. I
like
the Aerocomposite but that's just waaaay to much for my budget.
Not familiar with Thor either, I went with Bill Dube's LED's and like
them
so far.
Lancair panel, order now and you *might* have it when you need it. If
you
are going to stick with a fairly straight forward panel there is no
reason
not to tackle it yourself. You could always go with the Approach
Systems
HUB if you hate wiring or don't want to risk prodding your avionics into
giving up their black magic smoke.
As for the BMA stuff, I like it but it's always in a state of flux. I
am
actually going to use a Lite G4 for my backup instruments. Stay away
from
their autopilot though and get a Trutrak. BMA had an overcenter event
on an
installation, thankfully it was on the ground at the time. I believe
they
fixed the problem but that is some seriously bad mojo to mess with.
Just
the thought of an overcenter control makes me break out in a cold sweat.
Everything above is solely the opinion of a mad man and is not to be
taken
as anything resembling good advice. YMMV, FWIW, SNAFU, FUBAR, etc. :-)
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil Colliver
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rv-10 advice
--> RV10-List message posted by: Neil Colliver
--> <neilcolliver@maxnet.co.nz>
Hi guys
Thanks for all your comments about bigger or more suitable planes & how
to
stop children:-)
Great to hear so many of you having fun without TV;-)
However,.....
Is my proposed set up about right?
RV-10 QB - so we can be flying in about 1300 hours - starting to build
in
Jan 2007, full time, 2 people.
Also the prop & govenor cable, FWF kit, ES WH-10 wiring kit & some
antenas
IO540 from BRE, inc P-mags (available late this year I hope), cold air
(more
power for a grass strip,) and the James cowl
Hartzel constant speed from Vans ( 3 blade composites too expensive)
LED lights from Thor LLC
Panel --Aaarrgggghhhhh!
Probably will get the lancair one. - any comments?
Every one speaks highly of the Cheltons, but I think even they have had
a
recall recently. But too expensive anyway, unless they are about to
bring
the price down by 50%, then I would grab a pair.
But I would love the highway in the sky, so it's got to be the Blue
Mountain
G4 set up with the 6" screen, (& probably their autopilot).
Also gives GPS. (Advanced Flight Sys also came highly recommended, but
have
no future plans for a 3d highway in the sky.)
Backing that up will be the Dynon EFIS D100 7" screen, so we have 2
completely separate EFIS's for safety.
Garmin DNS430 for nav / com / GPS
Garmin GTX330 for Mode S transponder - the our local radar station just
upgraded to mode S, making my Microair transponder very intermittent at
best. Also the 330 will display traffic on the 430.
EI MVP50 EIS - a little expensive, but seems what Vans recommends
PC Eng PMA 8000 - for the romance of music when flying beautiful NZ
Some kind of 406 ELT, because so many planes just simply disappear in
NZ,
even with state of the art ELT's.
I know this all adds up to a fairly ugly looking panel, but I would
appreciate any helpful comments / /suggestions or dire warnings on the
whole
set up. Have I missed anything obvious?
Thanks
Neil & Sarah Colliver+++++
N Island, nbsp; - The RV10-List Email Photoshare, and much much ;
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
Thanks again Deems. Sonoma it is. Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Trip to Central Ca.
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
That depends upon which wineries you plan to visit. Napa is located at
the south end of the Napa Valley., So most of the Napa county wineries
are North from there. Sonoma county is at the North end of the Sonoma
Valley, but smack dab in the middle of the Alexander valley. And closer
to the Mendocino county wineries. I believe that Sonoma county provides
the best overall access. If you have a car it's not a big deal which
airport as you can drive from Sonoma county to Napa airport in about 45
min. You can take a slight longer routt that goes from Santa Rosa over
the Calistoga Hwy and then heads down the Napa Valley. (1:15) This is a
beautiful time to visit, if you get there before early June the hills
that surround the valleys should still be green.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Randy DeBauw wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
>
>Thanks for the input. Is Sonoma or Napa better to be centrally located
>in the wine country? Randy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:55 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Trip to Central Ca.
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>I used to live in Santa Rosa, and am pretty familiar with the area.
>Angwin is a small airport located in the top of the hills on the east
>side of the Sonoma valley. Services are limited there, I doubt that
>they have rental cars available. Sonoma County (Charles Schultz)KSTS
has
>
>several rental car companies to choose from. Your other alternative
>would be Napa airport where I'm sure they have rental cars. Depending
>upon where you plan to stay either Sonoma county or Napa would be fine.
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Fuse
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>Randy DeBauw wrote:
>
>
>
>>Well it is time to go flying again. Looking for a little wine country
>>tour. Is anyone familiar with Angwin-Parrett airport or Sonoma
>>County. Which is better for rental cars and hotel access. Randy
>>40006.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Don't forget the possibility of visiting the central California coast of
San Luis Obispo to Paso Robles. Both are excellent airports and the wine
industry is exploding in the area. We must have 100+ wineries all within
10 miles of each airport. Right now the area is magical with blue ocean
waters & green mountains. As the summer progresses you will want to
consider San Luis Obispo for its cooler temperatures. We also have
Hearst Castle San Simeon state park and much more.
SBP http://www.airnav.com/airport/KSBP
PRB http://www.airnav.com/airport/Kprb
Photos attached are from just south of Morro Bay near MQO VORTAC &
Diablo Nuclear Power Plant (why our grapes grow so big!) Note my RV-6A
in the photo
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 300 Hours
RV-10 First flight... 12/2007?
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Well, my airplane's had its first accident, a Controlled Flight into
Terrain, where my left wing spar, clamp, block of wood and all, fell off of
the wing cradle, and the leading edge at the root hit the workshop's
concrete floor.
I guess about 2 inches of the leading edge is flattened off somewhat. At
least the flanges of the fuel tank's leading edge rib that bent up are ones
that don't have rivets in them, so flattening them back down and adding more
proseal should do the trick to fix that.
I'm glad Van's included the leading edge templates in the box o' goodies so
I can reshape the leading edge as best I can and drive on. After 5 minutes
of walking around outside cooling off, I figured to "just fix it," to
paraphrase Van's personnel's most-often quoted saying, and keep going. No
sense wasting energy and time moping around thinking of the "perfect fix"
(there is none, whatever you decide to do). Maybe it's like when your brand
new car gets its first major scratch; now it's got character!
No pics. Don't want it immortalized. Like I said, just deal with it and
move on. Too much more building to do, and places like the wine country to
see!
Do not archive
Rob
#392
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
I didn't read the whole string so forgive me if it has already been
mentioned.....Napa is reputed to have a very good restaurant. I am going
there this Saturday on a cross country and am looking forward to a good
steak.
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Trip to Central Ca.
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> That depends upon which wineries you plan to visit. Napa is located at
> the south end of the Napa Valley., So most of the Napa county wineries
> are North from there. Sonoma county is at the North end of the Sonoma
> Valley, but smack dab in the middle of the Alexander valley. And closer
> to the Mendocino county wineries. I believe that Sonoma county provides
> the best overall access. If you have a car it's not a big deal which
> airport as you can drive from Sonoma county to Napa airport in about 45
> min. You can take a slight longer routt that goes from Santa Rosa over
> the Calistoga Hwy and then heads down the Napa Valley. (1:15) This is a
> beautiful time to visit, if you get there before early June the hills
> that surround the valleys should still be green.
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> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com/
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> Randy DeBauw wrote:
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> >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
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> >Thanks for the input. Is Sonoma or Napa better to be centrally located
> >in the wine country? Randy
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:55 PM
> >To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Trip to Central Ca.
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> >--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
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> >I used to live in Santa Rosa, and am pretty familiar with the area.
> >Angwin is a small airport located in the top of the hills on the east
> >side of the Sonoma valley. Services are limited there, I doubt that
> >they have rental cars available. Sonoma County (Charles Schultz)KSTS has
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> >several rental car companies to choose from. Your other alternative
> >would be Napa airport where I'm sure they have rental cars. Depending
> >upon where you plan to stay either Sonoma county or Napa would be fine.
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> >Deems Davis # 406
> >Fuse
> >http://deemsrv10.com/
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> >>Well it is time to go flying again. Looking for a little wine country
> >>tour. Is anyone familiar with Angwin-Parrett airport or Sonoma
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| Subject: | Re: New Trip to Central Ca. |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Brian S Douglas <bsponcil@belinblank.org>
My wife and I spent a week in/around Napa on our way to the Reno Air
Races last fall and my impressions were:
1. Sonoma is quieter and the wineries there tend to be the small,
family owned production you've likely never heard of. The kind of
laid back place where there's a cat sleeping on the tasting bar and
the tour is run by the winemaker him/herself (typically a retired
couple). If you stay in Sonoma though, one of my favorite wineries
is Chateau St Jean, and it's neither small nor unheard of.
2. Napa is busier and has, IMHO, more of the up-scale wineries - Opus
One, Joseph Phelps, Chateau Montelena, Coppola, etc. In these places,
you're as unlikely to see a cat as you are the winemaker though the
quality of the wines tend to be a bit higher (or at least more
consistent).
3. Napa also seemed to have more in the way of upscale restaurants.
Brix and Martini House come to mind as nice, albeit expensive, places
to eat. There was also some sort of chef training school around there
but we never went so I don't know if it would be any good.
4. Of course with busier comes more expensive and more hassle. We
stayed in a B&B on the northern end of things (Calistoga?) and got a
"deal" at only $150/night. There was really only one road up and down
the valley which was always busy and of course getting into a
restaurant other than A&W required reservations a day or two in advance.
5. One thing we did that was kind of fun was a balloon ride over
napa. Again it was expensive but neither of us had ever been a
balloon and Napa valley in the morning is quite beautiful. I'm not
sure I'd spring for it again - especially since you can just fly over
the valley - but I'd say it was worth doing once.
-Brian
#40497
N211BD
Iowa City, IA
On May 16, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Evan and Megan Johnson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
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> I didn't read the whole string so forgive me if it has already been
> mentioned.....Napa is reputed to have a very good restaurant. I am
> going
> there this Saturday on a cross country and am looking forward to a
> good
> steak.
> Evan Johnson
> www.evansaviationproducts.com
> (530)247-0375
> (530)351-1776 cell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Trip to Central Ca.
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| Subject: | Re: GARMIN GI-106A VS. MD200-306 CDI |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
... and the MD200-306 is less expensive.
Anh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Werner Schneider" <glastar@gmx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: GARMIN GI-106A VS. MD200-306 CDI
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
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> The GI-106A is identical with the MD200-206 and Tim is 100% correct the
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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>> I think the difference is there is some Localizer Back-course functions
>> in the MD200-306 that isn't in the GI-106A.
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>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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>>> Can anyone tell me the difference between the
>>> GARMIN GI-106A VS. MD200-306 CDI/LOC/GS ?
>>> I have looked at the Garmin description on both and they seem to have
>>> the same features.
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