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1. 07:29 AM - Re: Retractable (Dan Masys)
2. 07:56 AM - Re: Retractable (John Jessen)
3. 08:13 AM - Re: Retractable (John W. Cox)
4. 08:40 AM - Re: Retractable (Dan Masys)
5. 09:11 AM - Re: Retractable (Dan Masys)
6. 09:42 AM - Re: Retractable (John Jessen)
7. 10:00 AM - Re: Weather capabilities and severe turblance (Jesse Saint)
8. 10:26 AM - Re: Retractable (Jesse Saint)
9. 01:19 PM - Re: Retractable (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
10. 01:42 PM - Re: Retractable (John Jessen)
11. 01:48 PM - paint (Jim & Julie Wade)
12. 01:54 PM - Baggage door organizer (Jim & Julie Wade)
13. 02:11 PM - Re: paint (John Jessen)
14. 02:29 PM - Picture series of building the rudder trailing edge (Michael Wellenzohn)
15. 03:53 PM - Re: paint (John Dunne)
16. 05:07 PM - Re: Retractable (Robin Marks)
17. 05:40 PM - Andair Fuel Valve Install (Deems Davis)
18. 06:05 PM - Throttle Quadrant (Cal Hoffman)
19. 07:18 PM - Re: Retractable (Chris)
20. 07:40 PM - Re: Retractable (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
21. 08:22 PM - Re: Throttle Quadrant (Tim Olson)
22. 08:22 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve Install (Tim Olson)
23. 08:53 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve Install (Mark Carey)
24. 09:12 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve Install (Deems Davis)
25. 10:11 PM - Re: Retractable (JOHN STARN)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
---- David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, the
> Bonanza is an awesome airplane, but less complexity and similar
> performance are very attractive to me now.
Had a fun experience last weekend. Flew the -7A to Columbus Ohio (CMH) and landed
at Lane Aviation, where there were acres of Bonanzas and Barons on the ramp,
and a one day Beechcraft pilot proficiency refresher course in progress. A
couple of the Beech drivers struck up a conversation with me about that 'cute
little homebuilt". They were more or less in gloat mode until I told them that
cute little homebuilt had a 75% cruise of 175kts and a service ceiling of 25,000
feet on 11 gph. Got very quiet, except for a quietly uttered 'cripes!'.
-Dan Masys
#40448 wiring & systems installation
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Bonanza driver at my field continues to mutter something about "how long
would it take me to build a 10?" Yeah, sometimes it's always greener in the
other fella's pasture. If someone came up to me and said he'd gladly sell
his pristine 33A to me for what I'm likely to put into the 10, it's be a
hard choice to turn him down. A beautiful airplane.
John J
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Retractable
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
---- David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, the
> Bonanza is an awesome airplane, but less complexity and similar
> performance are very attractive to me now.
Had a fun experience last weekend. Flew the -7A to Columbus Ohio (CMH) and
landed at Lane Aviation, where there were acres of Bonanzas and Barons on
the ramp, and a one day Beechcraft pilot proficiency refresher course in
progress. A couple of the Beech drivers struck up a conversation with me
about that 'cute little homebuilt". They were more or less in gloat mode
until I told them that cute little homebuilt had a 75% cruise of 175kts and
a service ceiling of 25,000 feet on 11 gph. Got very quiet, except for a
quietly uttered 'cripes!'.
-Dan Masys
#40448 wiring & systems installation
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Dan, has anyone confirmed the service ceiling of 25,000 with a fuel burn
of 11gph in a flying RV-10?
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retractable
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Bonanza driver at my field continues to mutter something about "how long
would it take me to build a 10?" Yeah, sometimes it's always greener in
the
other fella's pasture. If someone came up to me and said he'd gladly
sell
his pristine 33A to me for what I'm likely to put into the 10, it's be a
hard choice to turn him down. A beautiful airplane.
John J
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Retractable
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
---- David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, the
> Bonanza is an awesome airplane, but less complexity and similar
> performance are very attractive to me now.
Had a fun experience last weekend. Flew the -7A to Columbus Ohio (CMH)
and
landed at Lane Aviation, where there were acres of Bonanzas and Barons
on
the ramp, and a one day Beechcraft pilot proficiency refresher course in
progress. A couple of the Beech drivers struck up a conversation with
me
about that 'cute little homebuilt". They were more or less in gloat
mode
until I told them that cute little homebuilt had a 75% cruise of 175kts
and
a service ceiling of 25,000 feet on 11 gph. Got very quiet, except for
a
quietly uttered 'cripes!'.
-Dan Masys
#40448 wiring & systems installation
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
---- John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
>If someone came up to me and said he'd gladly sell
> his pristine 33A to me for what I'm likely to put into the 10, it's be a
> hard choice to turn him down. A beautiful airplane.
A 33A I could walk away from. An A-36 for the price of an RV-10, now that would
be a conversation :-). But even then, the balance tips in favor of the homebuilt
in my mind due to that FAA repairman's card you're going to have in your
pocket after you get this puppy airborne. It'll always be a project, and you
can put as much or as little time and money into it as you like, without worrying
every year about a multi-kilobucks surprise at an annual inspection. Playing
with your airplane includes playing with its systems configurations, adding
new gadgets, etc. In that regard it is a much better boy toy than any spam
can.
-Dan Masys
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Cc: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
Sorry, the numbers in my message are for my 200hp RV-7A, and the 11 gph goes with
the 75% power setting and 175kts, not with the 25K ceiling. Because I don't
have a pressure mask on my O2 system, I have only flown it to 17.5K but it was
still climbing at about 500 fpm at that altitude. Full throttle, best power
mixture up there gives an indicated airspeed of about 125kts in my plane, roughly
corresponding to 45-40% power, and 7-8 gph. Fuel flows and power levels
would be correspondingly lower in the 20's.
-Dan Masys
---- "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
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> Dan, has anyone confirmed the service ceiling of 25,000 with a fuel burn
> of 11gph in a flying RV-10?
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:54 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retractable
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
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> Bonanza driver at my field continues to mutter something about "how long
> would it take me to build a 10?" Yeah, sometimes it's always greener in
> the
> other fella's pasture. If someone came up to me and said he'd gladly
> sell
> his pristine 33A to me for what I'm likely to put into the 10, it's be a
> hard choice to turn him down. A beautiful airplane.
>
> John J
>
> do not archive
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:26 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Retractable
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
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> > Bonanza is an awesome airplane, but less complexity and similar
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> Had a fun experience last weekend. Flew the -7A to Columbus Ohio (CMH)
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> #40448 wiring & systems installation
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Agreed, but when I flew that 33A, it sure flew solid. No, in reality, I
wouldn't bite. I'm looking forward to my 10. I'm looking forward to being
able to working on it, pampering it, making it better and better. But, a
Bonanza is a very good "spam" can.
John J
do not archive and back to work!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retractable
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
---- John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
>If someone came up to me and said he'd gladly sell his pristine 33A to
>me for what I'm likely to put into the 10, it's be a hard choice to
>turn him down. A beautiful airplane.
A 33A I could walk away from. An A-36 for the price of an RV-10, now that
would be a conversation :-). But even then, the balance tips in favor of
the homebuilt in my mind due to that FAA repairman's card you're going to
have in your pocket after you get this puppy airborne. It'll always be a
project, and you can put as much or as little time and money into it as you
like, without worrying every year about a multi-kilobucks surprise at an
annual inspection. Playing with your airplane includes playing with its
systems configurations, adding new gadgets, etc. In that regard it is a
much better boy toy than any spam can.
-Dan Masys
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| Subject: | Weather capabilities and severe turblance |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Jon,
We have XM weather in our -10. It is great. Usually ATC lets us know what
is coming, but we can see it onscreen before we hear it from them. We can
see the build-ups before they are thunderstorms with the echo tops feature.
We can see the movement and growth of the storms with Nexrad and Strikes.
We can tell what is happening at nearby airports with Metars and TAFs. We
wouldn't be without it. We had one flight where the -10 was in the soup
from 10 minutes after take-off until final, and the flight was over 4 hours.
Without the weather onboard, that would have been a no-go or detour trip.
Even in the soup, you know what is liveable soup and what it "bounce you
around and fold your wings" soup because of the weather.
We are using a flight cheetah by true flight (www.trueflight.org). If I
understand correctly, the Chelton's can also show all of this information.
Don't leave home without it.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Reining
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Weather capabilities and severe turblance
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jon Reining"
<jonathan.w.reining@wellsfargo.com>
I flew down to Mexico from Oakland, CA this weekend with a friend in his
Cherokee 180 with my brother to celebrate his bachelor party on the beach at
Alfonsina's to drink beer, fish, and relax. Alfonsina's is just south of
San Felipe on the Baja Peninsula, about a 2,500' dirt strip paralleling the
beach, great relaxing spot.
On our way home, we stopped in Calexico to clear customs and get our weather
briefing. It showed some light scattered storms in the Bay Area, and we'd
probably have to file on the way home depending on how it looked. About
75-80 miles out, we could see buildup over the hills, called up flight
service and got a weather briefing, didn't look all too bad, but we couldn't
make it in VFR so we filed IFR, received our pop-up, and were headed in at
8,000'. We were soon in IMC, no big deal, pretty easy sailing, when all of
a sudden we hit a thunderstorm and encountered severe turblance and very
near loss of control of the airplane. We would be up 100', down 200', 45
degrees to the right, then quickly snapped to 45 degrees to the left, our
maximum bank angle was probably 60 degrees at one point. Our attitude and
altitude were all over the place. This lasted for a full two minutes. ATC
gave us clearance to descend to 4000' and maneuver to the north. My friend,
CFI/CFII, did a !
great job and instinctively reduced power, gave full carb heat (it was only
+2C outside and raining but no sign of icing), and did a great job getting
us out of there. It was a really tough spot, one that I hope to never be in
again. After we got out, ATC announced that the weather capabilities of his
radar were down.
In light of all this, I'm starting to give lots of thought to the
capabilities of the various weather alternatives for the RV10 panel. In
other words, if ATC can't tell us when we're headed for trouble, what is
available to us so that we can see it ourself? Is XM weather dependant on
air traffic control's weather radar? Would we still get weather in the
cockpit if their's is out? Since there was no lightning that I could see or
hear, would a strike finder have detected that? Short of an on-board radar,
what are our options? Also, we were planning on going with the Chelton's
and I can definately see how that would be nice to know, even if its
synthetic vision, what the ground looks like. Can XM weather be displayed
on the Chelton?
Jon Reining
40514 (along with my dad) working on elevators, QB wings and fuse just
showed up (and thinking of weather capabilities)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Realistic service ceiling is about 18,000. I have it on "good authority"
that it will make it to 21,000 at near gross weight, but it sure doesn't
like flying up there. At 18,000, 185mph TAS, 6.5gph LOP. No, I don't have
info on MP or RPM, but the throttle is always all the way in when flying
high.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
352-465-4545
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retractable
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Dan, has anyone confirmed the service ceiling of 25,000 with a fuel burn
of 11gph in a flying RV-10?
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retractable
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Bonanza driver at my field continues to mutter something about "how long
would it take me to build a 10?" Yeah, sometimes it's always greener in
the
other fella's pasture. If someone came up to me and said he'd gladly
sell
his pristine 33A to me for what I'm likely to put into the 10, it's be a
hard choice to turn him down. A beautiful airplane.
John J
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Retractable
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
---- David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, the
> Bonanza is an awesome airplane, but less complexity and similar
> performance are very attractive to me now.
Had a fun experience last weekend. Flew the -7A to Columbus Ohio (CMH)
and
landed at Lane Aviation, where there were acres of Bonanzas and Barons
on
the ramp, and a one day Beechcraft pilot proficiency refresher course in
progress. A couple of the Beech drivers struck up a conversation with
me
about that 'cute little homebuilt". They were more or less in gloat
mode
until I told them that cute little homebuilt had a 75% cruise of 175kts
and
a service ceiling of 25,000 feet on 11 gph. Got very quiet, except for
a
quietly uttered 'cripes!'.
-Dan Masys
#40448 wiring & systems installation
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In a message dated 5/25/06 10:58:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jjessen@rcn.com writes:
pristine 33A to me for what I'm likely to put into the 10, it's be a
hard choice to turn him down. A beautiful airplane
John until the first time you needed to buy a part or a decal from the
factory...yipes...expensive stuff...
Patrick
do not achive
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Yeah, that's one major reason he's drooling over the thought of a 10. No,
Bonanza's are wonderful, as are the Cirrus and Columbia airplanes. But, for
a few years dedicated labor, one can have a craft that more than meets my
criteria, a large part of which is self maintenance. Wing loading on the
Bonanza makes them a much more enjoyable ride in the bump and grind. Other
than that, one can have as much speed, more room, and lower costs.
John J
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Retractable
In a message dated 5/25/06 10:58:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jjessen@rcn.com writes:
pristine 33A to me for what I'm likely to put into the 10, it's be a
hard choice to turn him down. A beautiful airplane
John until the first time you needed to buy a part or a decal from the
factory...yipes...expensive stuff...
Patrick
do not achive
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim & Julie Wade" <jwadejr@hughes.net>
Just out of the paint booth!!!!
Jim & Julie Wade
40383
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| Subject: | Baggage door organizer |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim & Julie Wade" <jwadejr@hughes.net>
Sent this idea to Abby at Flightline Interiors and she made this for us.
By the way, her work is outstanding. Her interior for the RV10 can't be beat.
Jim & Julie
40383
Slowbuild kit
Planning to make Oshkosh!!!!
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Wow! Great job!
John J
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim & Julie
Wade
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim & Julie Wade"
--> <jwadejr@hughes.net>
Just out of the paint booth!!!!
Jim & Julie Wade
40383
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| Subject: | Picture series of building the rudder trailing edge |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Michael Wellenzohn <michael@wellenzohn.net>
Hello everybody,
I found several descriptions on how to glue the rudder trailing edge
but never found any pictures.
On my page http://www.wellenzohn.net you'll find a couple pictures of
how I did it based on descriptions I found in this list (Thanks to all
of you!)
Michael
#511 (rudder)
www.wellenzohn.net
Switzerland
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Very nice paint job and design!
I also like your baggage door organizer and having purchased an interior
complete from Abby, couldn't agree more about her great service and how
painless it was dealing with her from the other side of the globe.
John 40315
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim & Julie
Wade
Sent: Friday, 26 May 2006 6:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: paint
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim & Julie Wade" <jwadejr@hughes.net>
Just out of the paint booth!!!!
Jim & Julie Wade
40383
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>Wing loading on the Bonanza makes them a much more enjoyable ride in
the bump and grind. Other than that, one can have as much speed, more
room, and lower costs.
Don't forget the ability to put exactly what electronics you wish in
your -10 to take advantage of the latest in technology which I am
convinced will make us safer pilots with respect to weather, traffic,
detailed GPS navigation, terrain etc. Don't take this the wrong way, I
love my Bonanza but the thought of a certified panel upgrade to state of
the art displays sends chills down my bankers spine. Also note a late
model Bonanza is still 20 years old.
Now back to the original reason for this post; I have personally taken a
solemn pledge to never again purchase a retract (unless one winks at me
extra sexy like). The cost of gear maintenance can come close to
matching the entire balance of aircraft maintenance before considering
the weight consequence or insurance. With today's modern fairings the
drag penalty is relatively small even for guys like me with the extra
weenie wheel.
In my limited piloting experience (6 planes) I believe performance,
safety, comfort and VALUE are all on the side of experimental builders
(assuming one follows the plans).
Robin
do not achive
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve Install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I know there has been a lot of discussion about the install of these
valves and interference with heater duct. in my mind it was a foregone
conclusion to move the valve down to the bottom of the tunnel. However,
I took some measurements and figured that It should be possible to mount
it above similar to the plans. I just finished the install and was
able to get it installed pretty much per the plans (intake nozzles are
fwd rather then aft), and did not have to resort to an extension. My
valve is the one Van's sells through his store, and today I picked up
some #10 Scat to verify that everything is going to fit OK. Looks like
this will work.
Another Country heard from.
Some write up on my site: http://deemsrv10.com/fuelsystemlogindex.html
and more pictures also:
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2037%20Fuel%20System/index.html
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Throttle Quadrant |
Does anyone have the installation instructions (options) for Van's
throttle/mixture/prop quadrant? Mine came without any paperwork and I
haven't been able to locate them.
Cal Hoffman #40119 (Canoe)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris" <toaster73@earthlink.net>
Slight fault there... Bonanza'a aren't spam cans; just RV-10's produced in
mass.
-Chris L.
#40072
former C-35 driver
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retractable
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Agreed, but when I flew that 33A, it sure flew solid. No, in reality, I
> wouldn't bite. I'm looking forward to my 10. I'm looking forward to
> being
> able to working on it, pampering it, making it better and better. But, a
> Bonanza is a very good "spam" can.
>
> John J
>
> do not archive and back to work!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Masys
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:38 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Retractable
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
> ---- John Jessen <jjessen@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>>If someone came up to me and said he'd gladly sell his pristine 33A to
>>me for what I'm likely to put into the 10, it's be a hard choice to
>>turn him down. A beautiful airplane.
>
> A 33A I could walk away from. An A-36 for the price of an RV-10, now that
> would be a conversation :-). But even then, the balance tips in favor of
> the homebuilt in my mind due to that FAA repairman's card you're going to
> have in your pocket after you get this puppy airborne. It'll always be a
> project, and you can put as much or as little time and money into it as
> you
> like, without worrying every year about a multi-kilobucks surprise at an
> annual inspection. Playing with your airplane includes playing with its
> systems configurations, adding new gadgets, etc. In that regard it is a
> much better boy toy than any spam can.
>
> -Dan Masys
>
>
>
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In a message dated 5/25/06 10:19:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
toaster73@earthlink.net writes:
Bonanza'a aren't spam cans
Got to love an ol Bo driver...too bad they eat so much gas compared to a
nice Mooney...sparks flying...!!! LOL
Patrick
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Quadrant |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
They sent them to me after I told them I didn't have them.
Took a while as they weren't available initially.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Cal Hoffman wrote:
> *Does anyone have the installation instructions (options) for Van's
> throttle/mixture/prop quadrant? Mine came without any paperwork and I
> haven't been able to locate them.*
> **
> *Cal Hoffman #40119 (Canoe)*
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve Install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Deems,
I've got 2 questions, and I'm not trying to be negative in any way...
1) Have you moved your controls and pushrods through full travel and
do they clear the SCAT tube, or will that elevator cross tube rub
the SCAT?
2) Aren't you a bit worried that you have a hot air duct running
directly through your fuel lines and valve area? That was one of
my larger concerns as any added temperature to those lines will
only add to the vapor lock possibilities.
At any rate, the valve you have is nicer than mine....that one
wasn't available in the past, those 90 degree built in fittings
haven't been around that long.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Deems Davis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> I know there has been a lot of discussion about the install of these
> valves and interference with heater duct. in my mind it was a foregone
> conclusion to move the valve down to the bottom of the tunnel. However,
> I took some measurements and figured that It should be possible to mount
> it above similar to the plans. I just finished the install and was
> able to get it installed pretty much per the plans (intake nozzles are
> fwd rather then aft), and did not have to resort to an extension. My
> valve is the one Van's sells through his store, and today I picked up
> some #10 Scat to verify that everything is going to fit OK. Looks like
> this will work.
>
> Another Country heard from.
>
> Some write up on my site: http://deemsrv10.com/fuelsystemlogindex.html
>
> and more pictures also:
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2037%20Fuel%20System/index.html
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve Install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Carey" <markacarey@msn.com>
I just bit the bullet and went along with my partners slight offset from
center.
>From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve Install
>Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:38:17 -0700
>
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
>I know there has been a lot of discussion about the install of these valves
>and interference with heater duct. in my mind it was a foregone conclusion
>to move the valve down to the bottom of the tunnel. However, I took some
>measurements and figured that It should be possible to mount it above
>similar to the plans. I just finished the install and was able to get it
>installed pretty much per the plans (intake nozzles are fwd rather then
>aft), and did not have to resort to an extension. My valve is the one Van's
>sells through his store, and today I picked up some #10 Scat to verify that
>everything is going to fit OK. Looks like this will work.
>
>Another Country heard from.
>
>Some write up on my site: http://deemsrv10.com/fuelsystemlogindex.html
>
>and more pictures also:
>http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2037%20Fuel%20System/index.html
>
>Deems Davis # 406
>Fuse
>http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve Install |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
I temp installed the elev cross tube to ensure there was no interference
and it looks to be OK. Frankly, I don't expect to be running heat to the
rear seats that often, but your point is well taken, I might just
encase the fuel lines (all of them in the tunnel) in some firesleeve or
some other split/insulating material to guard against the vapor lock
concern.
THANKS
Deems
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Deems,
>
> I've got 2 questions, and I'm not trying to be negative in any way...
>
> 1) Have you moved your controls and pushrods through full travel and
> do they clear the SCAT tube, or will that elevator cross tube rub
> the SCAT?
>
> 2) Aren't you a bit worried that you have a hot air duct running
> directly through your fuel lines and valve area? That was one of
> my larger concerns as any added temperature to those lines will
> only add to the vapor lock possibilities.
>
> At any rate, the valve you have is nicer than mine....that one
> wasn't available in the past, those 90 degree built in fittings
> haven't been around that long.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>>
>> I know there has been a lot of discussion about the install of these
>> valves and interference with heater duct. in my mind it was a
>> foregone conclusion to move the valve down to the bottom of the
>> tunnel. However, I took some measurements and figured that It should
>> be possible to mount it above similar to the plans. I just finished
>> the install and was able to get it installed pretty much per the
>> plans (intake nozzles are fwd rather then aft), and did not have to
>> resort to an extension. My valve is the one Van's sells through his
>> store, and today I picked up some #10 Scat to verify that everything
>> is going to fit OK. Looks like this will work.
>>
>> Another Country heard from.
>>
>> Some write up on my site: http://deemsrv10.com/fuelsystemlogindex.html
>>
>> and more pictures also:
>> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2037%20Fuel%20System/index.html
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> Fuse
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> http://wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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Cc: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo@verizon.net>, "Allen Mecum" <amecum@verizon.net>
--> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
I usta fly with "Bonanza" pilots. Did you just refer to a 33A as a "Bonanza"
?. Last time I did that was about 20 years ago I was flamed in person on all
sides by V-35 Bonanza Pilots.
Just because it was made by Beechcraft doesn't make it a Bonanza or any less
a spam can.
A '59 Chevy 4Dr. Station wagon is not an "Impala" regardless of that the
bean counters at Chevrolet thinks. A "Impala" was built in 1958 and came
ONLY in two models ...2 door hardtop & a 2 door coverable
My, my how times have changed. But words do mean things to some of us.
Don't mean to leave Ford out, look what they produced and called a "Cobra",
YUK. Do Not Archive KABONG.
By the way, Van's has an update on the RVcoupe (RV-12 for those from Yorba
Linda)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <toaster73@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Retractable
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris" <toaster73@earthlink.net>
>
> Slight fault there... Bonanza'a aren't spam cans; just RV-10's produced in
> mass.
> -Chris L.
> #40072
> former C-35 driver
> do not archive
>> Agreed, but when I flew that 33A, it sure flew solid. No, in reality, I
>> wouldn't bite. I'm looking forward to my 10. I'm looking forward to
>> being
>> able to working on it, pampering it, making it better and better. But, a
>> Bonanza is a very good "spam" can.
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