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1. 04:49 AM - Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills (Wayne Edgerton)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: Tricks for inserting long hinge rods (Rick)
3. 06:19 AM - dual zone front heat (Chris Hukill)
4. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills (Jesse Saint)
5. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills (Jesse Saint)
6. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills (Deems Davis)
7. 11:44 AM - injectors was Today's X/C To Black Hills (linn Walters)
8. 12:23 PM - Sub Panel Modification for Radios (Bobby J. Hughes)
9. 12:40 PM - Re: Chris Hukill (Rick)
10. 12:43 PM - Re: Sub Panel Modification for Radios (Rick)
11. 12:57 PM - Re: QB fuselage stand (KiloPapa)
12. 12:59 PM - Re: Sub Panel Modification for Radios (Ralph E. Capen)
13. 01:01 PM - Re: injectors was Today's X/C To Black Hills (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
14. 01:34 PM - Re: Sub Panel Modification for Radios (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
15. 01:35 PM - Re: Re: QB fuselage stand (John Jessen)
16. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: QB fuselage stand (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
17. 02:24 PM - Emailing: IMGP0923 (David McNeill)
18. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: QB fuselage stand (John Jessen)
19. 04:48 PM - Re: QB fuselage stand (Dan Masys)
20. 04:48 PM - 3 bladed prop (John Jessen)
21. 04:49 PM - Trutrak and GRT (Rob Kermanj)
22. 04:58 PM - Mounting fuse blocks (Dan Masys)
23. 05:08 PM - Re: Sub Panel Modification for Radios (Dan Masys)
24. 05:08 PM - Re: Mounting fuse blocks (McGANN, Ron)
25. 05:14 PM - Re: 3 bladed prop (John Dunne)
26. 05:21 PM - Re: Baggage door fit (John Dunne)
27. 05:27 PM - how long til you know your fuel tanks are good? (Chris Johnston)
28. 05:53 PM - Re: 3 bladed prop (jjessen)
29. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: 3 bladed prop (John Dunne)
30. 07:15 PM - New Andair Fuel valve (Chris)
31. 07:28 PM - Re: how long til you know your fuel tanks are good? (Evan and Megan Johnson)
32. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: 3 bladed prop (Evan and Megan Johnson)
33. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: 3 bladed prop (John Dunne)
34. 07:44 PM - Re: how long til you know your fuel tanks are good? (Rick)
35. 07:49 PM - Re: Mounting fuse blocks (Dan Masys)
36. 10:16 PM - Re: New Andair Fuel valve (Albert Gardner)
37. 10:45 PM - Re: Mounting fuse blocks (KiloPapa)
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| Subject: | Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills |
I also ran Gami's injectors in my Baron and they worked great. It took
my fuel flow down from around 32 gph to 26 gph, I had IO550's, but I did
lose some speed in doing this.
I've ordered the Advanced Flight System 3400 from Stein and on Advanced
Flight Systems web site there is an interesting article on flowing the
nozzles. If you're interested, go to this web address
http://www.mstewart.net/super8 and click on the bottom left where it
says Flowing the nozzles. I think you'll find the write up interesting,
if you're considering running lean of peak. I'm sure you all know that
when running LOP you have to be very careful and really monitor what's
going on with the temperatures.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
Finishing up the canopy
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| Subject: | Re: Tricks for inserting long hinge rods |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Oh sorry,
I mean the hole that is used to safety wire the pin in after slide it in.
Rick
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| Subject: | dual zone front heat |
Evan
I'm the Chris that started this thread, and I'm now thinking along the
lines of plumbing rear seat heat, but with a valve to direct the rear
air to the defog when needed, as our 10 will be used as a two person
freight hauler about 95% of the time, and up in places like Alaska. The
extra hot air coming out on top would also supplement the front seaters
when needed. I like the idea about a valve that would modulate the
lower front seat heat between the left and right side, and would like to
hear more on your ideas, and I would be interested in a kit for such.
Thanks
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Is that 210 running on Continental or Lycoming power? I have heard from the
Gami people that they are much more helpful on Continental engines than on
Lycomings. We have thought of them, but the IO-540 is so efficient already
that we haven't felt the need.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim & Julie
Wade
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim & Julie Wade" <jwadejr@hughes.net>
Hi Tim
If you are not running Gami injectors, you might want to get thier test
sheet on comparing injectors inflight. I think you can download it from
their web site. YOu start leaning slowly and check the temps on all six
cylinders as you lean. You end up with a good idea on how each injector is
doing. Not everyone need Gami's, but most do, inorder to get the temp spread
close enough. I have run Gami's in my 210 for a long time. When you run lean
of peak, you can up the power setting to compensate for the HP loss at lean
of peak. You won't lose as much speed, and the engine likes it!!!! I plan to
check mine as soon as I get it good and broken in and will put in Gami's if
needed. With fuel costs, you can pay for a set of Gami's in no time.
Blue Skies
Jim
40383
Through building!!! Just paint and assembly now.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills |
I am going to list some findings from personal research, but this is all
IMHO and so on, so please take it as that and correct me where I might
be
wrong according to your research.
LOP can be dangerous at high power settings, where you have to be
careful of
temperatures so you don=92t mess up your cylinders. The beauty of
GAMI=92s in
this situation is that it helps match the fuel flows to all 6 (in this
case)
cylinders so the temperatures run as close to each other as possible.
This
way you are not running one cylinder too lean and possibly damaging it
while
at the same time running another too rich and wasting a bunch of fuel to
cool the cylinder more than it needs to be. When you are at a lower
power
setting, say 60%, however, the LOP operation is not as dangerous. In
fact,
you can run as lean as the engine will allow without running rough.
Yes,
you lose power, but you save a lot on fuel. To fully take advantage of
this
feature, especially in the RV-10, the key is to fly high. You can keep
the
throttle all the way in, and use altitude to lower your power setting.
For
example, at 18,000 feet the IO-540 is probably running around 40% power,
give or take. At this altitude and this =93power setting=94, you can
lean it
right out and you get fuel burns as low as 6.5gph, while still getting
good
airspeeds, around 155-160 knots, because of the thin air. You also have
relatively cold air to keep the cylinders cool. Sure, you may be able
to
get that type of fuel burn at 1,800 feet, but you would be very slow,
which
would defeat the purpose of the RV-10. In that case you would be better
off
with a J3 (it can only fit 2 people, but it may be hard to find 4 people
who
want to go anywhere that slow anyway :-) ). Again, GAMI=92s might make
a
difference in this scenario, and it may be worth a try, if we can ever
get
around to doing it. If somebody has them on their 540, please try some
high-flying and let us know what you can get.
Has anybody else flown this high in a -10? If so, what kind of numbers
have
you had?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills
I also ran Gami's injectors in my Baron and they worked great. It took
my
fuel flow down from around 32 gph to 26 gph, I had IO550's, but I did
lose
some speed in doing this.
I've ordered the Advanced Flight System 3400 from Stein and on Advanced
Flight Systems web site there is an interesting article on flowing the
nozzles. If you're interested, go to this web address HYPERLINK
"http://www.mstewart.net/super8"http://www.mstewart.net/super8 and click
on
the bottom left where it says Flowing the nozzles. I think you'll find
the
write up interesting, if you're considering running lean of peak. I'm
sure
you all know that when running LOP you have to be very careful and
really
monitor what's going on with the temperatures.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
Finishing up the canopy
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| Subject: | Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Wayne, thanks for the link, It's great information.
There is an excellent white paper available for free (40 pg. pdf) on
Electronics International web site Titled;
/Leaning and diagnosing Engine Problems/.
http://www.buy-ei.com/The_Pilots_Manual_by_EI.htm
It's the best paper I've seen so far, explaining in detail what occurs
within an engine on each of the 4 strokes, and what the causes are of
bad things which can happen to an engine. It deals specifically w/
detonation (a risk in LOP operations). I highly recommend it for
reading, even if you're not planning on LOP operation. I learned a bunch
the 1st time through, and have a printed copy that I keep, in my
'continuing education' reference stack.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Wayne Edgerton wrote:
> I also ran Gami's injectors in my Baron and they worked great. It took
> my fuel flow down from around 32 gph to 26 gph, I had IO550's, but I
> did lose some speed in doing this.
>
> I've ordered the Advanced Flight System 3400 from Stein and
> on Advanced Flight Systems web site there is an interesting article
> on flowing the nozzles. If you're interested, go to this web address
> http://www.mstewart.net/super8 and click on the bottom left where it
> says *Flowing the nozzles*. I think you'll find the write up
> interesting, if you're considering running lean of peak. I'm sure you
> all know that when running LOP you have to be very careful and really
> monitor what's going on with the temperatures.
>
> Wayne Edgerton #40336
> Finishing up the canopy
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| Subject: | injectors was Today's X/C To Black Hills |
Jesse Saint wrote:
> I am going to list some findings from personal research, but this is
> all IMHO and so on, so please take it as that and correct me where I
> might be wrong according to your research.
>
>
>
> LOP can be dangerous at high power settings, where you have to be
> careful of temperatures so you dont mess up your cylinders.
>
The ROP/LOP thread has been goin on my GrummanGang also, and from what I
read (I didn't do any research) the temps actually go down when LOP.
EGTs go down LOP because the combustion is more complete within the
cylinder, but CHTs go down too because the combustion time is shorter.
Seems logical to me. I've never had the opportunity to experiment.
> The beauty of GAMIs in this situation is that it helps match the
> fuel flows to all 6 (in this case) cylinders so the temperatures run
> as close to each other as possible. This way you are not running one
> cylinder too lean and possibly damaging it while at the same time
> running another too rich and wasting a bunch of fuel to cool the
> cylinder more than it needs to be. When you are at a lower power
> setting, say 60%, however, the LOP operation is not as dangerous. In
> fact, you can run as lean as the engine will allow without running
> rough. Yes, you lose power, but you save a lot on fuel. To fully
> take advantage of this feature, especially in the RV-10, the key is to
> fly high. You can keep the throttle all the way in, and use altitude
> to lower your power setting. For example, at 18,000 feet the IO-540
> is probably running around 40% power, give or take. At this altitude
> and this power setting, you can lean it right out and you get fuel
> burns as low as 6.5gph, while still getting good airspeeds, around
> 155-160 knots, because of the thin air. You also have relatively cold
> air to keep the cylinders cool. Sure, you may be able to get that
> type of fuel burn at 1,800 feet, but you would be very slow, which
> would defeat the purpose of the RV-10. In that case you would be
> better off with a J3 (it can only fit 2 people, but it may be hard to
> find 4 people who want to go anywhere that slow anyway J ). Again,
> GAMIs might make a difference in this scenario, and it may be worth a
> try, if we can ever get around to doing it. If somebody has them on
> their 540, please try some high-flying and let us know what you can get.
>
There's also an 'experimental' version of the GAMIs, but I don't
remember the company. That was in a ROP/LOP thread somewhere (I'm on
too many lists!!!) that couldn't get the GAMIs to work right. The
experimental injectors had an insert to control flow where the GAMIs had
to change out the whole injector.
> Has anybody else flown this high in a -10? If so, what kind of
> numbers have you had?
>
God, I'd sure like to!!!!
Linn
>
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
> W: 352-465-4545
>
> C: 352-427-0285
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Edgerton
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:43 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills
>
>
>
> I also ran Gami's injectors in my Baron and they worked great. It took
> my fuel flow down from around 32 gph to 26 gph, I had IO550's, but I
> did lose some speed in doing this.
>
>
>
> I've ordered the Advanced Flight System 3400 from Stein and
> on Advanced Flight Systems web site there is an interesting article
> on flowing the nozzles. If you're interested, go to this web address
> http://www.mstewart.net/super8 and click on the bottom left where it
> says Flowing the nozzles. I think you'll find the write up
> interesting, if you're considering running lean of peak. I'm sure you
> all know that when running LOP you have to be very careful and really
> monitor what's going on with the temperatures.
>
>
>
> Wayne Edgerton #40336
>
> Finishing up the canopy
>
>
> --
> 6/2/2006
>
>
> --
> 6/2/2006
>
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| Subject: | Sub Panel Modification for Radios |
A few months back someone posted a photo or link that show a fabricated
sub panel that was located between the instrument panel and the tunnel
cover. I believe it provided a place to relocate a couple of radios. I
can't seem to located the post. Does anyone remember the date or poster?
Thanks,
Bobby
40116
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| Subject: | Re: Chris Hukill |
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| Subject: | Re: QB fuselage stand |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "KiloPapa" <kilopapa@antelecom.net>
Here is a pic of the stand I believe Deems was referring to.
Kevin
#40494
Pearblossom, CA
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| Subject: | injectors was Today's X/C To Black Hills |
Check the leaning curve in the Lycoming operators manual . . .
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: RV10-List: injectors was Today's X/C To Black Hills
Jesse Saint wrote:
I am going to list some findings from personal research, but this is all
IMHO and so on, so please take it as that and correct me where I might
be wrong according to your research.
LOP can be dangerous at high power settings, where you have to be
careful of temperatures so you don't mess up your cylinders.
The ROP/LOP thread has been goin on my GrummanGang also, and from what I
read (I didn't do any research) the temps actually go down when LOP.
EGTs go down LOP because the combustion is more complete within the
cylinder, but CHTs go down too because the combustion time is shorter.
Seems logical to me. I've never had the opportunity to experiment.
The beauty of GAMI's in this situation is that it helps match the fuel
flows to all 6 (in this case) cylinders so the temperatures run as close
to each other as possible. This way you are not running one cylinder
too lean and possibly damaging it while at the same time running another
too rich and wasting a bunch of fuel to cool the cylinder more than it
needs to be. When you are at a lower power setting, say 60%, however,
the LOP operation is not as dangerous. In fact, you can run as lean as
the engine will allow without running rough. Yes, you lose power, but
you save a lot on fuel. To fully take advantage of this feature,
especially in the RV-10, the key is to fly high. You can keep the
throttle all the way in, and use altitude to lower your power setting.
For example, at 18,000 feet the IO-540 is probably running around 40%
power, give or take. At this altitude and this "power setting", you can
lean it right out and you get fuel burns as low as 6.5gph, while still
getting good airspeeds, around 155-160 knots, because of the thin air.
You also have relatively cold air to keep the cylinders cool. Sure, you
may be able to get that type of fuel burn at 1,800 feet, but you would
be very slow, which would defeat the purpose of the RV-10. In that case
you would be better off with a J3 (it can only fit 2 people, but it may
be hard to find 4 people who want to go anywhere that slow anyway :-) ).
Again, GAMI's might make a difference in this scenario, and it may be
worth a try, if we can ever get around to doing it. If somebody has
them on their 540, please try some high-flying and let us know what you
can get.
There's also an 'experimental' version of the GAMIs, but I don't
remember the company. That was in a ROP/LOP thread somewhere (I'm on
too many lists!!!) that couldn't get the GAMIs to work right. The
experimental injectors had an insert to control flow where the GAMIs had
to change out the whole injector.
Has anybody else flown this high in a -10? If so, what kind of numbers
have you had?
God, I'd sure like to!!!!
Linn
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Edgerton
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:43 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Today's X/C To Black Hills
I also ran Gami's injectors in my Baron and they worked great. It took
my fuel flow down from around 32 gph to 26 gph, I had IO550's, but I did
lose some speed in doing this.
I've ordered the Advanced Flight System 3400 from Stein and on Advanced
Flight Systems web site there is an interesting article on flowing the
nozzles. If you're interested, go to this web address
http://www.mstewart.net/super8 and click on the bottom left where it
says Flowing the nozzles. I think you'll find the write up interesting,
if you're considering running lean of peak. I'm sure you all know that
when running LOP you have to be very careful and really monitor what's
going on with the temperatures.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
Finishing up the canopy
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| Subject: | Sub Panel Modification for Radios |
Nope, just the throttle quadrant in TT's.
As long as we are on the subject of TT what kind of timeframes are you
guys seeing for stuff out of them? I ordered my pitch servo and bracket
about 6 weeks ago. I know it took them a couple months to get the new
brackets out for the roll servo. Seems like their delivery times are
really starting to stretch out there.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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Recent RV-10 Build Activity
<http://www.mykitlog.com/display_project.php?project_id=22>
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sub Panel Modification for Radios
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick
Bobby,
I think it was TruTraks RV-10. I don't recall the post here but check
the Van's Airforce site I think I saw it there as well. Hope it helps.
Rick S.
40185
Fuse/Finish
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| Subject: | Re: QB fuselage stand |
Try these wheels for your fuse cart. Get them at wood working stores, such
as Rockler.
John J
(328 - Tailcone)
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| Subject: | Re: QB fuselage stand |
Oooo, Rockler. Love the place even though it is waaaay overpriced on
most things. Save yourself some $$ and get your wheels from Harbor
Freight or Northern Tool. Worse case Lowe's-Depot.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: QB fuselage stand
Try these wheels for your fuse cart. Get them at wood working stores,
such
as Rockler.
John J
(328 - Tailcone)
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this may be what someone is looking for; I believe it is Randy's RV.
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| Subject: | Re: QB fuselage stand |
Actually, you're right. I saw the same wheels at HD, but forgot. Didn't
know HF had them. Nice catch.
John J
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: QB fuselage stand
Oooo, Rockler. Love the place even though it is waaaay overpriced on most
things. Save yourself some $$ and get your wheels from Harbor Freight or
Northern Tool. Worse case Lowe's-Depot.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: QB fuselage stand
Try these wheels for your fuse cart. Get them at wood working stores, such
as Rockler.
John J
(328 - Tailcone)
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| Subject: | Re: QB fuselage stand |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
For the QB you may find this is lots easier than you anticipate. The QB comes
with a wooden spacer for the spar that already has bolt holes in it. I just cut
a couple of 2 x 4 legs with 2 inch casters and use a padded saw horse at the
tail. Works great for scooting it around the shop area.
See:
http://132.239.155.44/rv10/qb_stand2.jpg
and
http://132.239.155.44/rv10/qb_stand1.jpg
-Dan Masys
#40448
---- "dmaib@mac.com" <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
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> I expect delivery of my QB fuselage and wings within a couple of weeks. I have
constructed a wing cradle but need some advice on the fuselage. I believe I
may have seen a comment somewhere about constructing some short saw horses to
set the fuselage on. I assume this would put it at a comfortable height for work.
I have also looked at the rotating stands for sale by a gentleman on another
forum, but it looks like it might not work until the tailcone and the fuselage
are mated.
> I would appreciate any information.
>
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> Eagan, MN
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I've decided to go Hartzell 3-bladed. Hope I can find a spinner for the mod
and enough weight for the tail.
John J.
(snap shot taken at the EAA-105 hosting of the B-17, Aluminum Overcast)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Hello everyone. I would like to exchange information (off the list)
with someone who has intalled GRT and a Trutrk IIVSGV.
You can reach me at 772-460-3907.
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Mounting fuse blocks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
If you happen to be using the Aeroelectric approach of using fuse blocks instead
of (or along with) breakers, one way of mounting the fuse holders so they are
out of the way but accessible when needed is to put them on a hinged panel
between the panel and subpanel. Just got mine cut and installed. These pics
show the essential buss block (20 fuse positions), main block (10 position) and
battery block (6 position), separated by the diode mounted to a heat sink from
B&C specialties:
Seen from above:
http://132.239.155.44/rv10/2006-06-05_fuseblockmount.jpg
and below, where a Dzus cowl fastener keeps the plate in place
http://132.239.155.44/rv10/2006-06-05_fuseblockmount_b.jpg
One half twist of the cowl fastener the the plate drops down vertically for access
to the fuses.
-Dan Masys
#40448
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| Subject: | Sub Panel Modification for Radios |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
---- "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote:
> As long as we are on the subject of TT what kind of timeframes are you guys
seeing for stuff out of them? I ordered my pitch servo and bracket about 6 weeks
ago. I know it took them a couple months to get the new brackets out for
the roll servo. Seems like their delivery times are really starting to stretch
out there.
-----
I ordered the TT Digiflight II and servos via Van's website back in January.
Nothing had been delivered as of the middle of April, so I pinged Vans about delivery
date and they said 'within the next week.' And the items did arrive about
ten days later. Had the distinct impression that if I had not brought the
delayed shipment to their attention I would probably still be waiting.
-Dan Masys
#40448
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| Subject: | Mounting fuse blocks |
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John, I assume you mean Hamilton Standard? And with the weight of that prop,
you'll need to put the engine in the tail with a long prop shaft!
John 40315 :-)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: RV10-List: 3 bladed prop
I've decided to go Hartzell 3-bladed. Hope I can find a spinner for the mod
and enough weight for the tail.
John J.
(snap shot taken at the EAA-105 hosting of the B-17, Aluminum Overcast)
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| Subject: | Baggage door fit |
Ron, from what I recall the gist was it seems normal to have some sort of
gap at the top that is essentially taken up with your weather strip
installation and the top left corner would have to sit reasonably proud to
enable the installation of your hinge pin, but apart from that I would
suggest a lot depends on how you think it should sit aesthetically.
I suspect the more experienced builders will "massage" various items that
they don't feel come up to scratch as far as appearance is concerned.
Now you've made me feel bad because I thought mine was okay!!
John 40315 (re-thinking the finish quality on the baggage door.Damn!!)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Monday, 5 June 2006 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baggage door fit
I built my baggage door a few months ago and was very happy with the way it
came out. I got around to do the final installation this weekend and quite
honestly it looked very second rate. I don't remember too much previous
discussion on the list other than the lower back corner was 'pushed in'
somewhat and this can be fixed with a shim. I also had the same problem as
Tom experienced, where the door was flush at each end, but bowed out by more
than 1/8" in the top middle. I thought that the frame rib was shaped to the
curve of the fuse skin, so did not flute to straighten. I spent about an
hour last night using finger pressure to almost eliminate the bow by
massaging the door skin flush with the fuse.
The baggage door seems to be one area in particular where some shared
experiences would be useful. How many have actually come out 'spot on'
without some remedial action??
cheers,
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gesele
Sent: Friday, 2 June 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Baggage door fit
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tom Gesele <tgesele@optonline.net>
I seem to recall that others had a problem with the fit of their baggage
door so figured I'd pass this along.
On the initial fit to the fuselage, discovered that the door was bowed and
the fit was unacceptable. It appears that dimpling the frame resulted in a
bow, causing the problem.
The solution on mine was progressively fluting the frame along the outer
edge which straightened everything to the point where the fit is now
acceptable. I'd suggest starting with small flutes, cleco everything back to
together, check the fit, and repeat as necessary. On mine, it required
rather aggressive flutes to get the fit where I wanted but yours may be
different.
Hope this saves someone some head-scratching.
Tom Gesele #40473 (N629RV Reserved) - Fuselage
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| Subject: | how long til you know your fuel tanks are good? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Hey all -
Here's a dumb question... after finishing up the fuel tanks (and most
of the rest of everything on the wings) I moved on to the fuselage. It
was under the pretext of waiting for proseal to dry. I think the real
deal is that I was putting off testing the tanks because I was
nervous... Anyway, I put the balloon on there, filled it with air, and
guess what? The balloon is still inflated in the morning!! Yay.
Now the question -
How long do I wait til I call it good and test the other one?
cj
#40410
testing tanks/fuse
www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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| Subject: | Re: 3 bladed prop |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "jjessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Thanks for setting me straight before I placed my order. I tried to eyeball the
logo on the top blade, and the closest I could come was Hartzell. Actually
Hamilton Standard is now Hamilton Sundstrand.
John J
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38819#38819
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| Subject: | Re: 3 bladed prop |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Yeah you're right, now there's a better option for you, one of Sunstrands 4
bladed composite props off.... say a DHC-8?
Loads of pulling power, way lighter than the metals and cheap! Not much more
than your fully optioned RV10!!
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jjessen
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: 3 bladed prop
--> RV10-List message posted by: "jjessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
Thanks for setting me straight before I placed my order. I tried to eyeball
the logo on the top blade, and the closest I could come was Hartzell.
Actually Hamilton Standard is now Hamilton Sundstrand.
John J
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38819#38819
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| Subject: | New Andair Fuel valve |
Saw in my new Kitplanes that Andair will be offering a new remote fuel
selector. The selector looks like all the others but the actual valve
can be put anywhere since its fly by wire (solenoid of some sort I
presume). So fuel lines in the cabin may be avoided. Cool.
-CHris
#40072 fuselage slobuild
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| Subject: | Re: how long til you know your fuel tanks are good? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
More important than the balloon staying up is the soapy water
test..(balloons will leak on their own) ...put diluted dish soap on every
rivet and every seam while it is under pressure...if it is leaking you will
see. I use two balloons, one inside the other to get a higher pressure.
Cheers..
Evan Johnson
www.evansaviationproducts.com
(530)247-0375
(530)351-1776 cell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: how long til you know your fuel tanks are good?
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
>
>
> Hey all -
>
> Here's a dumb question... after finishing up the fuel tanks (and most
> of the rest of everything on the wings) I moved on to the fuselage. It
> was under the pretext of waiting for proseal to dry. I think the real
> deal is that I was putting off testing the tanks because I was
> nervous... Anyway, I put the balloon on there, filled it with air, and
> guess what? The balloon is still inflated in the morning!! Yay.
> Now the question -
>
> How long do I wait til I call it good and test the other one?
>
> cj
> #40410
> testing tanks/fuse
> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3 bladed prop |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson" <evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Never heard of them.....do I hear some sarcasm here, or am I missing the
point?
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 3 bladed prop
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
>
>
> Yeah you're right, now there's a better option for you, one of Sunstrands
4
> bladed composite props off.... say a DHC-8?
> Loads of pulling power, way lighter than the metals and cheap! Not much
more
> than your fully optioned RV10!!
> John
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jjessen
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2006 10:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: 3 bladed prop
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jjessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Thanks for setting me straight before I placed my order. I tried to
eyeball
> the logo on the top blade, and the closest I could come was Hartzell.
> Actually Hamilton Standard is now Hamilton Sundstrand.
>
> John J
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38819#38819
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3 bladed prop |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
No, definitely no sarcasm, just a bit of tongue in cheek.
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Evan and Megan
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2006 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 3 bladed prop
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Evan and Megan Johnson"
<evmeg@snowcrest.net>
Never heard of them.....do I hear some sarcasm here, or am I missing the
point?
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:53 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 3 bladed prop
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Dunne" <acs@acspropeller.com.au>
>
>
> Yeah you're right, now there's a better option for you, one of Sunstrands
4
> bladed composite props off.... say a DHC-8?
> Loads of pulling power, way lighter than the metals and cheap! Not much
more
> than your fully optioned RV10!!
> John
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jjessen
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2006 10:53 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: 3 bladed prop
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jjessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Thanks for setting me straight before I placed my order. I tried to
eyeball
> the logo on the top blade, and the closest I could come was Hartzell.
> Actually Hamilton Standard is now Hamilton Sundstrand.
>
> John J
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=38819#38819
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| Subject: | Re: how long til you know your fuel tanks are good? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
If you want real excitment use a manogram, it's so sensitive it will rise and fall
with the daily temperture flucuations. In Las Vegas I had a rise and fall
of 4" between the high and low of the day in the summer.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Mounting fuse blocks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
It's the standard heatsink/diode combination that comes from B&C. On my RV-7 I
just mounted the diode to some 0.063 plate and it got so hot it melted in the
insulation on the downstream wire! (Also showed increasing internal resistance
with heat, so the voltage would drop on the e-Bus). Live and learn.
-Dan Masys
---- "McGANN wrote:
> Dan
>
> Precisely what I was about to do (including fuse block selection) - thanks for
the pics. But man, that is one BIG heatsink :-)
>
> Ron
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| Subject: | New Andair Fuel valve |
I saw that ad also but I don't understand how fuel can get from the
wing to
the engine without going through the cabin. The fuel pump and filter as
well
as the floscan transducer are all in the tunnel. I imagined that the
lines
from the new Andair valve would come in from the wings to a T-fitting
and
then go to the fuel pump. There would still be fuel going through the
cabin
just no selector valve..
Albert Gardner
40-422
Yuma, AZ
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-----Original Message-----
Subject: RV10-List: New Andair Fuel valve
Saw in my new Kitplanes that Andair will be offering a new remote fuel
selector. The selector looks like all the others but the actual valve
can be
put anywhere since its fly by wire (solenoid of some sort I presume). So
fuel lines in the cabin may be avoided. Cool.
-CHris
#40072 fuselage slobuild
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting fuse blocks |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "KiloPapa" <kilopapa@antelecom.net>
Looks nice. Where did you get the fuse blocks?
Thanks,
Kevin
40494
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