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1. 06:23 AM - Re: RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise? (Rick)
2. 06:37 AM - RV-10 Model (greerdans@aol.com)
3. 07:24 AM - Re: Silpruf for window adhesive (Perry Casson)
4. 07:55 AM - upholstry (David McNeill)
5. 08:12 AM - Plug Wire Grommet (Jesse Saint)
6. 08:28 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Phillips, Jack)
7. 08:37 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
8. 08:42 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Phil Hall)
9. 08:53 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Tim Olson)
10. 09:02 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Bill DeRouchey)
11. 09:02 AM - Re: upholstry (Jesse Saint)
12. 09:07 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Jesse Saint)
13. 09:20 AM - Digiflight IIVSGV (Jesse Saint)
14. 09:39 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Tim Olson)
15. 09:49 AM - Re: upholstry (zackrv8)
16. 09:51 AM - Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
17. 09:54 AM - Re: Digiflight IIVSGV (Tim Olson)
18. 10:00 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
19. 10:05 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Phillips, Jack)
20. 10:05 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Konrad L. Werner)
21. 10:08 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Jesse Saint)
22. 10:09 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Jesse Saint)
23. 10:16 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
24. 10:16 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
25. 10:17 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
26. 10:28 AM - Re: Digiflight IIVSGV (Andrew Barker)
27. 10:46 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Tim Olson)
28. 10:53 AM - Re: Digiflight IIVSGV (Tim Olson)
29. 11:13 AM - Re: FW: Digiflight IIVSGV (Tim Olson)
30. 11:47 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
31. 11:56 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
32. 12:27 PM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
33. 01:07 PM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
34. 01:18 PM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
35. 03:38 PM - Re: finishing kit ommisions ()
36. 07:08 PM - gas tanks ()
37. 08:47 PM - Re: FW: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG (Richard Sipp)
38. 08:47 PM - Re: gas tanks (Jesse Saint)
39. 08:50 PM - Re: RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise? (John W. Cox)
40. 09:05 PM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Jesse Saint)
41. 09:09 PM - Re: FW: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
42. 09:11 PM - Re: FW: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG (Robert G. Wright)
43. 10:19 PM - Re: FW: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG (Richard Sipp)
44. 10:28 PM - Re: FW: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG (Richard Sipp)
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| Subject: | Re: RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Proseal?
Is that stuff easy to work with? And where can you buy it? :)
PLEASE DON'T ANSWER!!
Rick S.
40185
Wiring, Wiring , Wiring
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I=99d like to thank everyone that helped my wife Leslie surprise me wi
th a scale model of the RV-10 as a gift for our 25th anniversary. She had
seen an e-mail that I received about the model but had not deleted. Trying t
o get more information she replied to the e-mail but inadvertently replied t
o the entire list. Apparently, several of you replied to warn her to delete
all traces of the e-mail thread to prevent me from learning about it.
A special thanks to Jesse Saint, who through numerous e-mail with Leslie wor
ked through the paint scheme, finally deciding to leave it white to allow me
an opportunity to use or decals or stickers to test ideas when I get to the
final paint design.
The model was a complete surprise. The quality and detail are great. It is s
omething that I would never have bought myself but something I really enjoy
and appreciate.
I have a fantastic wife who is incredibly supportive while I pursue this dre
am of building my own plane. The fact that the RV community is there to help
out is not lost on her or me.
Thanks again,
George Costigan
40434
Wings
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| Subject: | Silpruf for window adhesive |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Perry Casson <pcasson@sasktel.net>
I've no experience painting silpruf, it does come in about a dozen colors so
for the less fashion conscious such as myself I'll just pick a color that's
not too hideous (i.e. black or grey) and just paint up to the fillet.
Perry
Perry,
Have you had any luck painting the silpruf?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
For those who have done the seats; what thickness of foam did you use for
the rear? Any pictures of completed rear seats? front seats? How many yards
of material were used to do front and rear. I am in the process of getting
estimates
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| Subject: | Plug Wire Grommet |
Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little
grommet
deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the baffles? I
need
to buy them, but can=92t find them for the life of me.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
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| Subject: | Plug Wire Grommet |
Jesse,
Are you talking about the AN931 Elastic Grommets? The black rubber
grommets that look like flat washers with a deep groove in them? I
don't have a recent AS&S catalog here at the office, but the 2002
version I have has them in the Airframe Parts section, just before you
get to Flying Wires and Control System supplies. At least that's what I
used on my Pietenpol Air Camper for the same application.
I'm ordering my RV-10 empennage kit as soon as I get back from my
honeymoon next month.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet
Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little
grommet deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the
baffles? I need to buy them, but can't find them for the life of me.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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| Subject: | Plug Wire Grommet |
"I'm ordering my RV-10 empennage kit as soon as I get back from my
honeymoon next month."
C'mon Jack, where are your priorities?!? : )
TDT
40025
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips,
Jack
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet
Jesse,
Are you talking about the AN931 Elastic Grommets? The black rubber
grommets that look like flat washers with a deep groove in them? I
don't have a recent AS&S catalog here at the office, but the 2002
version I have has them in the Airframe Parts section, just before you
get to Flying Wires and Control System supplies. At least that's what I
used on my Pietenpol Air Camper for the same application.
I'm ordering my RV-10 empennage kit as soon as I get back from my
honeymoon next month.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet
Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little
grommet deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the
baffles? I need to buy them, but can't find them for the life of me.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
Cardinal Health -- Working together. For life. (sm)
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| Subject: | Re: Plug Wire Grommet |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Phil Hall <phil@asibuildings.com>
Jesse,
Page 264
Phil
888-583-5155
At 11:10 AM 6/15/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>
> Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little grommet
> deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the baffles? I need
> to buy them, but can t find them for the life of me.
>
>
>
> Do not archive.
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>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>jesse@itecusa.org
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> www.itecusa.org
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| Subject: | Re: Plug Wire Grommet |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Online, I show it in the Engine Parts - Ignition Parts section:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/engbaffleseals.php
5MM WIRE SEAL 3-WIRE # 376 $4.00
Catalog page .pdf: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06264.pdf
Page 264
Jesse Saint wrote:
> Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little
> grommet deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the
> baffles? I need to buy them, but cant find them for the life of me.
>
>
>
> Do not archive.
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>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
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| Subject: | Plug Wire Grommet |
Since I already had many of the firewall forward components it wasn't necessary
to order Vans kit. The part from Spruce is M2376 and is manufactured by Slick.
It is the old style of two nylon pieces that fit together and bolt to the baffle.
Note that on Spruce catalog page 264 the picture is labeled incorrectly.
Bill
"Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com> wrote:
Jesse,
Are you talking about the AN931 Elastic Grommets? The black rubber grommets
that look like flat washers with a deep groove in them? I dont have a recent
AS&S catalog here at the office, but the 2002 version I have has them in the Airframe
Parts section, just before you get to Flying Wires and Control System
supplies. At least thats what I used on my Pietenpol Air Camper for the same
application.
Im ordering my RV-10 empennage kit as soon as I get back from my honeymoon next
month.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet
Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little grommet
deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the baffles? I need to
buy them, but cant find them for the life of me.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I don't know the thickness exactly, but it was pretty much the same as the
front seats (we got it from Abby at Flightline Interiors). As far as
material used, I think we used 2.5 hides on 3 seats, but I dont know how
that translates to yards. I know someone who would know, but if you call
her she won't tell you unless you have her sew up your seats (and she does a
really good job, too).
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: upholstry
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
For those who have done the seats; what thickness of foam did you use for
the rear? Any pictures of completed rear seats? front seats? How many yards
of material were used to do front and rear. I am in the process of getting
estimates
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| Subject: | Plug Wire Grommet |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I got it now. For those who don't get their engines from Van's, you will
need to order them. They are called:
SLICK THREE WIRE 5MM WIRE SEAL
P/N M2376
$10.90 ea.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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| Subject: | Digiflight IIVSGV |
Tim (or anybody else who might know),
I understand that the Garmin 480 is a WAAS GPS, so it will steer the
Digiflight IIVSGV vertically (which the Garmin 430 and 530 will not, at
least not until they have the WAAS upgrade available). Do you know if
it
will actually fly you down the WAAS approaches? Further, will it fly
vertical portions of other approaches as well, or just the WAAS ones?
N415EC will have a 430, so I am just planning on the Digiflight IIVSG,
but
wanted to know the capabilities of different instruments on the GV
model.
Also, what other GPS=92s/Instruments will give Vertical GPS Steering
information to the A/P?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
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| Subject: | Re: Plug Wire Grommet |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Soooooo, who would it be that you'd recommend buying them
for $10.90, when you can buy them from Spruce for $4.00?
Once again:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/engbaffleseals.php
5MM WIRE SEAL 3-WIRE # 376 $4.00
Catalog page 264: .pdf:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06264.pdf
Tim
Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> I got it now. For those who don't get their engines from Van's, you will
> need to order them. They are called:
>
> SLICK THREE WIRE 5MM WIRE SEAL
> P/N M2376
> $10.90 ea.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" <zackrv8@verizon.net>
Vans sells the rear seat foam cushions. I just got mine and they look pretty good.
Zack
--------
RV8 #80125
RV10 # 40512
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41246#41246
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| Subject: | Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your
electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Re: Digiflight IIVSGV |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I don't know for sure if it will fly the vertical approach. That may
be only with the Chelton. You may want to ask TruTrak that. I know
the GNS480 is capable, but I don't know if the DFIIVSGV is, when
coupled to it. You may need the RV-10 model or the sorcerer.
As far as the other capabilities of the GNS480, I have explored very
little of that unit. The Chelton has been so overwhelmingly much
easier to use, and appears to be so much more capable when coupled
to the GNS480, that other than as a backup, I don't feel any urge
to use it in depth. I probably should have gone with a cheaper
Nav/com/gps, or another SL30 + 396 combo instead of the 480, and
then added the freeflight WAAS receiver to my Chelton, because
that would have cost about the same and given even more power.
To the A/P, the only things that will give it vertical steering are
items capable of doing it digitally through ARINC.
Tim
Jesse Saint wrote:
> Tim (or anybody else who might know),
>
>
>
> I understand that the Garmin 480 is a WAAS GPS, so it will steer the
> Digiflight IIVSGV vertically (which the Garmin 430 and 530 will not, at
> least not until they have the WAAS upgrade available). Do you know if
> it will actually fly you down the WAAS approaches? Further, will it fly
> vertical portions of other approaches as well, or just the WAAS ones?
> N415EC will have a 430, so I am just planning on the Digiflight IIVSG,
> but wanted to know the capabilities of different instruments on the GV
> model. Also, what other GPSs/Instruments will give Vertical GPS
> Steering information to the A/P?
>
>
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
> W: 352-465-4545
>
> C: 352-427-0285
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an
IO-540 with the SD-20?
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your
electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Plug Wire Grommet |
We'll, she's my chief rivet bucker. We did both get to fly an RV-10 a
couple of weeks ago, and she agreed it is much more comfortable than the
back seat of my RV-4. For a non-pilot, she's a pretty aviation-minded
lady, so I'd do well to keep her happy. I'm an AIDS survivor (Aviation
Induced Divorce Syndrome) so when I found one that likes to fly, I
figured I'd better do something to keep her.
Jack
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet
"I'm ordering my RV-10 empennage kit as soon as I get back from my
honeymoon next month."
C'mon Jack, where are your priorities?!? : )
TDT
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
Bob,
Why don't you just use a remote mounting for the filter?
All you'd need is an Engine-Adapterplate, two short hoses and a Filter
Mount.
AND you can mount the filter right side up for less oil mess when
changing it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:49 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your
electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least
the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount
cross member.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Plug Wire Grommet |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
They are not the same part. I don't have them in my hand to compare, but
the $4 ones are narrow while the $10.90 ones are shaped differently,
probably to provide a better seal. Again, the part number, as stated below,
is M2376, whereas the ones you mentioned are just 376.
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Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Soooooo, who would it be that you'd recommend buying them
for $10.90, when you can buy them from Spruce for $4.00?
Once again:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/engbaffleseals.php
5MM WIRE SEAL 3-WIRE # 376 $4.00
Catalog page 264: .pdf:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06264.pdf
Tim
Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> I got it now. For those who don't get their engines from Van's, you will
> need to order them. They are called:
>
> SLICK THREE WIRE 5MM WIRE SEAL
> P/N M2376
> $10.90 ea.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
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| Subject: | Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
The Mattituck engine came with the angled adapter. That will be VERY
NICE
for changing oil. It is in the 2-o=92clock position when looking at the
engine from the front. Is this the same one you are talking about? I
wasn=92t planning on the aux alternator anyway, but that=92s good to
know.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US
SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters
that puts the filter in the 10 o=92clock position. If your electrical
system
is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled
oil
filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the
possibility of
moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the
alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being
mounted
there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one
from B&C) you need the 1.4=94 spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
Tim,
That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses
on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be.
Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't
anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about
that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was
to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total
length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying
the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal
oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an
IO-540 with the SD-20?
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your
electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
Jesse,
Adapter is similar to B&C's - they both have a spacer to clear the
engine mount and that's what specifically causes the issue.
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
The Mattituck engine came with the angled adapter. That will be VERY
NICE for changing oil. It is in the 2-o'clock position when looking at
the engine from the front. Is this the same one you are talking about?
I wasn't planning on the aux alternator anyway, but that's good to know.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your
electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
I may go that route but at the moment have the original filter adapter
back on.
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad L.
Werner
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Bob,
Why don't you just use a remote mounting for the filter?
All you'd need is an Engine-Adapterplate, two short hoses and a Filter
Mount.
AND you can mount the filter right side up for less oil mess when
changing it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <mailto:bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
To: RV10-List@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:49 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C
SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil
filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If
your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded
from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at
least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine
mount cross member.
Bob #40105
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Date: 6/14/2006
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| Subject: | Digiflight IIVSGV |
The Digiflight II VSGV will fly the WAAS approach from the GNS480.
Currently only the 480, Grand Rapids EFIS, and Chelton EFIS have been
verified to couple with the Digiflight II VSGV.
Andrew Barker
General Manager
TruTrak Flight Systems
"You build it...We fly it!"
PH:479-751-0250 Ext. 222
www.trutrakap.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV
Tim (or anybody else who might know),
I understand that the Garmin 480 is a WAAS GPS, so it will steer the
Digiflight IIVSGV vertically (which the Garmin 430 and 530 will not, at
least not until they have the WAAS upgrade available). Do you know if it
will actually fly you down the WAAS approaches? Further, will it fly
vertical portions of other approaches as well, or just the WAAS ones?
N415EC will have a 430, so I am just planning on the Digiflight IIVSG, but
wanted to know the capabilities of different instruments on the GV model.
Also, what other GPS's/Instruments will give Vertical GPS Steering
information to the A/P?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Yes, Ed called me last week telling me of the exact same
situation he has with his system. SD-20 + Angled adapter = no-go.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> Bob, are you saying that B&Cs own oil filter adaptor wont work on an
> IO-540 with the SD-20?
>
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Condrey,
> Bob (US SSA)
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
> *To:* RV10-List@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
>
>
>
> Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
> auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
> adapters that puts the filter in the 10 oclock position. If your
> electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
> using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
> investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
> pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
> precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
>
>
>
> Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
> one from B&C) you need the 1.4 spacer to clear the engine mount cross
> member.
>
>
>
> Bob #40105
>
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| Subject: | Re: Digiflight IIVSGV |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
That's great news. I never tried it with the 480 yet, and don't
know why I'd need to unless I'm completely EFIS failed.
But, it's great that the DFIIVSGV can do it. It's a heck of
a good little AP for it's size and cost.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Andrew Barker wrote:
> The Digiflight II VSGV will fly the WAAS approach from the GNS480.
> Currently only the 480, Grand Rapids EFIS, and Chelton EFIS have been
> verified to couple with the Digiflight II VSGV.
>
>
>
> Andrew Barker
>
> General Manager
>
> TruTrak Flight Systems
>
> "You build it...We fly it!"
>
> PH:479-751-0250 Ext. 222
>
> www.trutrakap.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:19 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV
>
>
>
> Tim (or anybody else who might know),
>
>
>
> I understand that the Garmin 480 is a WAAS GPS, so it will steer the
> Digiflight IIVSGV vertically (which the Garmin 430 and 530 will not, at
> least not until they have the WAAS upgrade available). Do you know if
> it will actually fly you down the WAAS approaches? Further, will it fly
> vertical portions of other approaches as well, or just the WAAS ones?
> N415EC will have a 430, so I am just planning on the Digiflight IIVSG,
> but wanted to know the capabilities of different instruments on the GV
> model. Also, what other GPSs/Instruments will give Vertical GPS
> Steering information to the A/P?
>
>
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
> W: 352-465-4545
>
> C: 352-427-0285
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Digiflight IIVSGV |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Another list member saw today's AP reply I did, and asked me
to comment on now that I've been flying a while, what would
I change on the panel. I wrote this reply, but decided to
send it on to the list, because I know one choice that
always bugs builders is what to get between the GNS-430,
480, and 530. I don't have all the answers, but I may
as well send the reply out so the other interested parties
can see how I feel today...
=========================
Replying to:
"Tim...
If you had to spec your panel out today what would you change? Your
input would be appreciated as I try and detail mine out."
It's a hard question....really hard. I have very little that
I'd change, actually. I use COM1 (SL-30) all the time, and it's
about the best thing since sliced bread when it comes to a nice
and cheap simple NAV/COM. What I really lack though, is *certified*
WAAS data fed into the Chelton for a totally truly certified WAAS
legal approach. The FreeFlight GPS enables that. So for me to
fly WAAS approaches, I should technically load the approach into
both systems and fly it while monitoring the GNS-480 all the time.
To me, that isn't perfect.
But, then there's the dilema.... What *great* options do I have
where I could save money and keep things fitting into the panel?
Well, the GNS480 gone gives me room for another SL-30. Plus, I'd
have room for something else that's not too thick. But, I can't
really mount a 396 in the panel with what I have left. The 396
is really nice, but I'll tell you I'm not interested in having
any of in-flight navigation stuff hanging off in other places.
If it isn't on the panel, I'm not happy. The only compromise
is with the paper or tablet charts....those are kind of nice to
have portable anyway, so I can have someone else pull them up
and prepare them for me and read them without playing with
my panel.
Then there's the issue that the GNS480 is really a sweet radio
anyway. It works really well, and does some things that I love.
I can tune a VOR and load a GPS waypoint, and it will not only
display the distance to the waypoint, but I get a readout as
to my distance from the VOR too. I like to keep the
nearest VOR's punched up on the SL-30 and GNS480 on X/C trips.
It works great as a COMM, and it also displays traffic, but
only a fraction of the quality of what the Chelton traffic
display is. But in general, it's a beauty of a radio. And,
since it fits, it's a nice, graphical GPS, that runs a CDI,
that can fly approaches, and according to Andrew's post will
even fly my WAAS approach....so it's a great unit. And,
it fits in the location just great.
So, if I ditched it, there isn't anything as fantastic that
I could put in it's place. Maybe a 430. But, without the
480 in the panel, I'd sill want the FreeFlight for it's
WAAS, and integrated into the Chelton would make the Chelton
IDEAL. But at this point, the only reason I'd choose a 430
over a 480 is cost.....
So ultimately, I'm left with what would I actually DO with my
panel if I wanted to change it??? At this point, I can say
that after 80+ hours, there's nothing that I'd really *change*
about it, but, if I can find me a good deal on a FreeFlight
GPS, I may possibly be willing to ADD to it. I love the panel,
and it's everything I dreamed it would be, but I could add
that icing on the cake. Anyone who has a FreeFlight that
they want to get rid of, talk to me....I may very well be
interested.
Oh, and if I started all over again and could up the budget,
and they were delivering at the time, I'd probably put
in the TruTrak RV-10 Autopilot. I don't even know exactly
what "more" it does, feature for feature, but I know
it does *more*, and it has more buttons.
For the cost though, if I was stuck with the same budget,
and no more, I can honestly say I wouldn't change anything
at all....from the electrical system, to the instrument
choices, to the layout....it's all been exactly as I
wanted.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:54 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I don't know for sure if it will fly the vertical approach. That may be
> only with the Chelton. You may want to ask TruTrak that. I know the
> GNS480 is capable, but I don't know if the DFIIVSGV is, when coupled to
> it. You may need the RV-10 model or the sorcerer.
>
> As far as the other capabilities of the GNS480, I have explored very
> little of that unit. The Chelton has been so overwhelmingly much easier
> to use, and appears to be so much more capable when coupled to the
> GNS480, that other than as a backup, I don't feel any urge
> to use it in depth. I probably should have gone with a cheaper
> Nav/com/gps, or another SL30 + 396 combo instead of the 480, and then
> added the freeflight WAAS receiver to my Chelton, because that would
> have cost about the same and given even more power.
> To the A/P, the only things that will give it vertical steering are
> items capable of doing it digitally through ARINC.
> Tim
>
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
>> Tim (or anybody else who might know),
>>
>>
>>
>> I understand that the Garmin 480 is a WAAS GPS, so it will steer the
>> Digiflight IIVSGV vertically (which the Garmin 430 and 530 will not,
>> at least not until they have the WAAS upgrade available). Do you know
>
>> if it will actually fly you down the WAAS approaches? Further, will
>> it fly vertical portions of other approaches as well, or just the WAAS
> ones?
>> N415EC will have a 430, so I am just planning on the Digiflight IIVSG,
>
>> but wanted to know the capabilities of different instruments on the GV
>
>> model. Also, what other GPS's/Instruments will give Vertical GPS
>> Steering information to the A/P?
>>
>>
>>
>> Do not archive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>>
>> I-TEC, Inc.
>>
>> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>>
>> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>>
>> W: 352-465-4545
>>
>> C: 352-427-0285
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
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| Subject: | Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
Anyway to machine a little bit off the adaptor to make it work?
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Tim,
That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses
on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be.
Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't
anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about
that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was
to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total
length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying
the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal
oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad.
Bob
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an
IO-540 with the SD-20?
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your
electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I don't think so - that spacer is really a collection of hollow chambers
with relatively thin walls. On the alternator, it's the bosses for the
screws that connect the front and rear sections together that cause the
issue.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Anyway to machine a little bit off the adaptor to make it work?
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Tim,
That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses
on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be.
Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't
anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about
that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was
to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total
length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying
the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal
oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad.
Bob
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an
IO-540 with the SD-20?
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your
electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Hmm. I'd have to go take a look, but any chance the B&C adaptor
#BC708-1 would work? It puts the filter in the 6:30 (down) position,
instead of 11:00 (up) position. Would the spacer still be required?
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I don't think so - that spacer is really a collection of hollow chambers
with relatively thin walls. On the alternator, it's the bosses for the
screws that connect the front and rear sections together that cause the
issue.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Anyway to machine a little bit off the adaptor to make it work?
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Tim,
That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses
on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be.
Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't
anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about
that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was
to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total
length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying
the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal
oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad.
Bob
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an
IO-540 with the SD-20?
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your
electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I would think it would work fine with no spacer. Reason the spacer is
required is because with the 11:00 (up) version the top of the filter is
above the diagonal cross member on the engine mount by about an inch or
so. The 1.4" spacer is the minimum that it takes to get the filter aft
far enough to clear the engine mount. I may give them a call and see if
they'd be willing to swap - interesting that the listed price is $55
different between them...
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Hmm. I'd have to go take a look, but any chance the B&C adaptor
#BC708-1 would work? It puts the filter in the 6:30 (down) position,
instead of 11:00 (up) position. Would the spacer still be required?
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I don't think so - that spacer is really a collection of hollow chambers
with relatively thin walls. On the alternator, it's the bosses for the
screws that connect the front and rear sections together that cause the
issue.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Anyway to machine a little bit off the adaptor to make it work?
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Tim,
That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses
on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be.
Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't
anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about
that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was
to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total
length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying
the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal
oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad.
Bob
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an
IO-540 with the SD-20?
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your
electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I just got off the phone with Bill at B&C - they have a solution. I
will provide specifics when I confirm it will work.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
Hmm. I'd have to go take a look, but any chance the B&C adaptor
#BC708-1 would work? It puts the filter in the 6:30 (down) position,
instead of 11:00 (up) position. Would the spacer still be required?
TDT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I don't think so - that spacer is really a collection of hollow chambers
with relatively thin walls. On the alternator, it's the bosses for the
screws that connect the front and rear sections together that cause the
issue.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Anyway to machine a little bit off the adaptor to make it work?
TDT
40025
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Tim,
That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses
on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be.
Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't
anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about
that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was
to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total
length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying
the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal
oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad.
Bob
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an
IO-540 with the SD-20?
TDT
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your
electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from
using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I
investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump
pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter
precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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| Subject: | Re: finishing kit ommisions |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gorejr@bellsouth.net>
Chris,
If you would fax me a list I would appreciate it. I am also planning on using
James wheel pants. Thanks again! 770-412-0540
>
> From: "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill@cox.net>
> Date: 2006/06/09 Fri AM 11:58:26 EDT
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: finishing kit ommisions
>
> I just sent Barb at Vans a list of the items to omit from my finishing kit. I
previously had her send me an inventory list of the kit, so I knew what was
there. As I want to leave my options open for a James cowl, I omitted the cowl
top, bottom, left/ right inlets, oil door and core, and all the spinner parts
(7 items). I also omitted the tires and tubes, as I like the leakguard tubes
and better tires. If anyone wants the actual part numbers of the cowl / spinner
parts to omit, I would be happy to fax the list, and save you and Vans the trouble.
>
> Chris Hukill
> completing Andair installation
> 702 591-7551 cel
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: <gorejr@bellsouth.net>
I am building a quickbuild RV-10 and want the SafeAir1 extra fuel tanks as I
fly to Central America yearly. Will these easily adapt to the quickbuild wings
and tanks? I have only received the tail kit. Just trying to plan ahead.
Thanks Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Another list member saw today's AP reply I did, and asked me
> to comment on now that I've been flying a while, what would
> I change on the panel. I wrote this reply, but decided to
> send it on to the list, because I know one choice that
> always bugs builders is what to get between the GNS-430,
> 480, and 530. I don't have all the answers, but I may
> as well send the reply out so the other interested parties
> can see how I feel today...
Tim has provided tons of valuable information and continues to do so. To
his credit he is willing to acknowledge when there might be alternative ways
to do something. Tim's great panel is an example of state of the art IFR
capable technology available today.
Instrument panels are probably the best example of builders expressing their
preferences and ideas.
Here is one more.
In my case I appreciated the capability of the Chelton, not just the screen
display and its conformal duplication of the outside world but also its
flight management features. So, being on a budget, I tried to come up with
a Chelton based panel as economically and simply as possible without
sacrificing anything necessary for safe redundant IFR & full GPS approach
capability.
The basic components are the Cheltons with optional Free Flight 1201 WAAS
receiver. This GPS is a remote mounted unit not a panel mount and "plays"
through the Chelton. The rest of the major components are an SL30,SL40,327,
AOA, VMC1000 engine monitor TruTrak Digiflight VGVS and back up ADI with
independent battery. The Free Flight receiver is certified for LNAV/VNAV
procedures and will be upgradable to the new LPV approach and provides full
RAIM functionality. With this combination I should be able to fly automatic
coupled GPS approaches or a manual ILS with both the ILS raw data and a GPS
derived HTS display of the ILS displayed on the Chelton simultaneously.
We did elect to have the panel built by Aerotronics rather than attempting
to do it here. I think compared to the amount of time I would have had to
spend on that project it was money well spent. Like engine shops that test
run engines after the build, the panel is bench tested for all functions and
inspected by an independent avionics inspector after completion. One of the
write ups was "finger print smudge on PFD display" The documentation for
installing the panel in the airframe is on a par with Van's kit instructions
and makes the process easy to complete. Aerotronics completed several other
optional systems like trim and infinity stick grip wiring all pre-tested.
If you elect to have a panel built by one of the specialized shops you will
spend a lot of time communicating with them during the course of the
project. I was completely satisfied with the process at Aerotronics.
We were able to position the Chelton displays and other radios with the PFD
centered in front of the pilot and without having to modify any of the
longitudinal ribs that connect the panel to the firewall. Two openings were
required in the subpanel for the Garmin radios.
The switches and circuit breakers are arranged in order of normal usage with
the exception of the fuel pump switch (above throttle) and autopilot master
(next to autopilot). The picture does not do justice to the quality of the
detail work on the front and back of the panel but it provides an idea of
the layout.
I traveled by car half way across the country to pick up the panel and
thought about trying to power the panel, put a GPS antenna on the roof and
"fly" it home but ended up just wrapping it in foam and putting it in the
truck.
Picture attached.
Dick Sipp
40065
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I have not used them, but my understanding is that they are made
specifically to be installed in finished wings as a retro-fit option, so you
just need to make sure you don't have any wingtip antennas and you should be
fine. You will need to do a little plumbing to get the fuel into your
existing tanks, but I think that is the hardest part of the installation.
Where do you go in Central America?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gorejr@bellsouth.net
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: gas tanks
--> RV10-List message posted by: <gorejr@bellsouth.net>
I am building a quickbuild RV-10 and want the SafeAir1 extra fuel tanks as I
fly to Central America yearly. Will these easily adapt to the quickbuild
wings
and tanks? I have only received the tail kit. Just trying to plan ahead.
Thanks Jim
--
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| Subject: | RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
This subject was addresses several (many) months ago and should be in
the archives. The Lancair (plastic) planes have structural cracking in
the composite where two uniquely different substrate meet. The rates of
expansion and contraction are different. The VANS approach of mixing
the matrix resin does not transfer structural forces between the two
materials well. The 10 has significantly more composite than any kit
before it. In the case of the Lancairs it is at the wing fairing
fillet, the windshield fillet and obviously where two materials mate.
Flox or other structural fibers are needed. It is common place with
micro balloons and thickening agents.
The good news is that reality did not take 24 to 36 months to show
itself. I have pictures to support the premise and technical material
available to those still building. Contact me offline. Thank goodness
you did not invest 24-28 thousand in a custom paint job before
encountering this characteristic. I can share the pain.
John Cox - $00.02
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise?
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I think it's amazing that the response you got was that they
were not aware. I haven't so far seen a -10 that doesn't have
at least a little cracking. Mine isn't nearly as bad as
some I've seen, but it's still fairly new at 84 approx. hours
and only a couple days out in the hot sun. Maybe it'll
get worse, maybe it won't. But it's definitely a minor
issue. There are those that think weld-on isn't the
stuff to use, and there are those who think that you should
lay light e-glass over the joint. I'm not overly disappointed
in how mine turned out, so I'm happy with the per-plans way
so far, but, if you can improve it without causing any
other issues, it's probably worth doing something else.
I'll leave the tips on that to those who've done something
else...but I think you're on the right track.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Mark & Gina Steffensen wrote:
> Today I asked Van's regarding cracking between the fiberglass window
> frames and the Plexiglas.
>
> Van's told me that they were not aware that this is an issue. I saw
this
> cracking for myself on several RV10's at Sun in Fun.
>
> I am getting close to installing my windows, has anyone devised an
> alternative method to help prevent the cracking?
>
> It appears to me that this anomaly it is due to the different
expansion
> and contracting properties of the fiberglass and Plexiglas.
>
> I am planning on having a 1/16 gap between the plexi and window
frames,
> install windows with the Weld-10. Next I am planning on installing 2
> inch fiberglass tape around the perimeter of the windows overlapping
the
> junction...Next fill and sand and fair into the fuselage lid and or
doors...
>
> Any thoughts.....Mark
>
> Mark Steffensen
> Atlanta GA
>
> RV8A Sold
> RV10 Soon
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility |
Is yours supposed to be in this position? Where is the alternator
supposed
to go?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US
SSA)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility
Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20
auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter
adapters
that puts the filter in the 10 o=92clock position. If your electrical
system
is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled
oil
filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the
possibility of
moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the
alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being
mounted
there.
Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the
one
from B&C) you need the 1.4=94 spacer to clear the engine mount cross
member.
Bob #40105
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Looks nice.
How much?
TDT
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Richard Sipp
Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Another list member saw today's AP reply I did, and asked me
> to comment on now that I've been flying a while, what would
> I change on the panel. I wrote this reply, but decided to
> send it on to the list, because I know one choice that
> always bugs builders is what to get between the GNS-430,
> 480, and 530. I don't have all the answers, but I may
> as well send the reply out so the other interested parties
> can see how I feel today...
Tim has provided tons of valuable information and continues to do so.
To
his credit he is willing to acknowledge when there might be alternative
ways
to do something. Tim's great panel is an example of state of the art
IFR
capable technology available today.
Instrument panels are probably the best example of builders expressing
their
preferences and ideas.
Here is one more.
In my case I appreciated the capability of the Chelton, not just the
screen
display and its conformal duplication of the outside world but also its
flight management features. So, being on a budget, I tried to come up
with
a Chelton based panel as economically and simply as possible without
sacrificing anything necessary for safe redundant IFR & full GPS
approach
capability.
The basic components are the Cheltons with optional Free Flight 1201
WAAS
receiver. This GPS is a remote mounted unit not a panel mount and
"plays"
through the Chelton. The rest of the major components are an
SL30,SL40,327,
AOA, VMC1000 engine monitor TruTrak Digiflight VGVS and back up ADI with
independent battery. The Free Flight receiver is certified for LNAV/VNAV
procedures and will be upgradable to the new LPV approach and provides
full
RAIM functionality. With this combination I should be able to fly
automatic
coupled GPS approaches or a manual ILS with both the ILS raw data and a
GPS
derived HTS display of the ILS displayed on the Chelton simultaneously.
We did elect to have the panel built by Aerotronics rather than
attempting
to do it here. I think compared to the amount of time I would have had
to
spend on that project it was money well spent. Like engine shops that
test
run engines after the build, the panel is bench tested for all functions
and
inspected by an independent avionics inspector after completion. One of
the
write ups was "finger print smudge on PFD display" The documentation
for
installing the panel in the airframe is on a par with Van's kit
instructions
and makes the process easy to complete. Aerotronics completed several
other
optional systems like trim and infinity stick grip wiring all
pre-tested.
If you elect to have a panel built by one of the specialized shops you
will
spend a lot of time communicating with them during the course of the
project. I was completely satisfied with the process at Aerotronics.
We were able to position the Chelton displays and other radios with the
PFD
centered in front of the pilot and without having to modify any of the
longitudinal ribs that connect the panel to the firewall. Two openings
were
required in the subpanel for the Garmin radios.
The switches and circuit breakers are arranged in order of normal usage
with
the exception of the fuel pump switch (above throttle) and autopilot
master
(next to autopilot). The picture does not do justice to the quality of
the
detail work on the front and back of the panel but it provides an idea
of
the layout.
I traveled by car half way across the country to pick up the panel and
thought about trying to power the panel, put a GPS antenna on the roof
and
"fly" it home but ended up just wrapping it in foam and putting it in
the
truck.
Picture attached.
Dick Sipp
40065
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
Could you or others please post some pictures of the backs of your panels so
I can start getting a mental image of possibilities?
Rob
#392 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sipp
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Another list member saw today's AP reply I did, and asked me
> to comment on now that I've been flying a while, what would
> I change on the panel. I wrote this reply, but decided to
> send it on to the list, because I know one choice that
> always bugs builders is what to get between the GNS-430,
> 480, and 530. I don't have all the answers, but I may
> as well send the reply out so the other interested parties
> can see how I feel today...
Tim has provided tons of valuable information and continues to do so. To
his credit he is willing to acknowledge when there might be alternative ways
to do something. Tim's great panel is an example of state of the art IFR
capable technology available today.
Instrument panels are probably the best example of builders expressing their
preferences and ideas.
Here is one more.
In my case I appreciated the capability of the Chelton, not just the screen
display and its conformal duplication of the outside world but also its
flight management features. So, being on a budget, I tried to come up with
a Chelton based panel as economically and simply as possible without
sacrificing anything necessary for safe redundant IFR & full GPS approach
capability.
The basic components are the Cheltons with optional Free Flight 1201 WAAS
receiver. This GPS is a remote mounted unit not a panel mount and "plays"
through the Chelton. The rest of the major components are an SL30,SL40,327,
AOA, VMC1000 engine monitor TruTrak Digiflight VGVS and back up ADI with
independent battery. The Free Flight receiver is certified for LNAV/VNAV
procedures and will be upgradable to the new LPV approach and provides full
RAIM functionality. With this combination I should be able to fly automatic
coupled GPS approaches or a manual ILS with both the ILS raw data and a GPS
derived HTS display of the ILS displayed on the Chelton simultaneously.
We did elect to have the panel built by Aerotronics rather than attempting
to do it here. I think compared to the amount of time I would have had to
spend on that project it was money well spent. Like engine shops that test
run engines after the build, the panel is bench tested for all functions and
inspected by an independent avionics inspector after completion. One of the
write ups was "finger print smudge on PFD display" The documentation for
installing the panel in the airframe is on a par with Van's kit instructions
and makes the process easy to complete. Aerotronics completed several other
optional systems like trim and infinity stick grip wiring all pre-tested.
If you elect to have a panel built by one of the specialized shops you will
spend a lot of time communicating with them during the course of the
project. I was completely satisfied with the process at Aerotronics.
We were able to position the Chelton displays and other radios with the PFD
centered in front of the pilot and without having to modify any of the
longitudinal ribs that connect the panel to the firewall. Two openings were
required in the subpanel for the Garmin radios.
The switches and circuit breakers are arranged in order of normal usage with
the exception of the fuel pump switch (above throttle) and autopilot master
(next to autopilot). The picture does not do justice to the quality of the
detail work on the front and back of the panel but it provides an idea of
the layout.
I traveled by car half way across the country to pick up the panel and
thought about trying to power the panel, put a GPS antenna on the roof and
"fly" it home but ended up just wrapping it in foam and putting it in the
truck.
Picture attached.
Dick Sipp
40065
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:10 AM
Subject: RE: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright"
> <armywrights@adelphia.net>
>
> Could you or others please post some pictures of the backs of your panels
> so
> I can start getting a mental image of possibilities?
>
> Rob
>
> #392 Wings
Rob,
Tim's web site has lots of pictures that show how he finished the back side
of the panel.
I'll throw out a few more when I get all of the components that go back
there installed.
There is a lot of stuff that can or should go in that area, like electronic
ignition boxes, voltage regulators, altitude encoders attitude reference
sensor etc. Some of these components don't necessarily have to go there but
it is convenient.
I'm not sure if I am following the best sequence but I am trying to at least
plan for and preliminarily mount everything while the panel & sub structure
is on the airplane without the top skin. The intent is to then remove most
of the components, rivet the top skin to the ribs per the plans, permanently
mount the components on a bench and then late in the process (after cabin
top is fitted) permanently install that structure. The Aertronics (and
probably other shops) cable connector system makes this easier to do. The
instrument panel itself can still be removed if necessary as per Van's
plans.
Dick
40065
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@avidyne.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:08 AM
Subject: RE: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG
Looks nice.
How much?
TDT
do not archive
A little over 50M. (Sold the RV4 and had a little left over) The autopilot
was included with the Chelton system during their promotion last year.
Dick
"Frogman"
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