---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/15/06: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:23 AM - Re: RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise? (Rick) 2. 06:37 AM - RV-10 Model (greerdans@aol.com) 3. 07:24 AM - Re: Silpruf for window adhesive (Perry Casson) 4. 07:55 AM - upholstry (David McNeill) 5. 08:12 AM - Plug Wire Grommet (Jesse Saint) 6. 08:28 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Phillips, Jack) 7. 08:37 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 8. 08:42 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Phil Hall) 9. 08:53 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Tim Olson) 10. 09:02 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Bill DeRouchey) 11. 09:02 AM - Re: upholstry (Jesse Saint) 12. 09:07 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Jesse Saint) 13. 09:20 AM - Digiflight IIVSGV (Jesse Saint) 14. 09:39 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Tim Olson) 15. 09:49 AM - Re: upholstry (zackrv8) 16. 09:51 AM - Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 17. 09:54 AM - Re: Digiflight IIVSGV (Tim Olson) 18. 10:00 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 19. 10:05 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Phillips, Jack) 20. 10:05 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Konrad L. Werner) 21. 10:08 AM - Re: Plug Wire Grommet (Jesse Saint) 22. 10:09 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Jesse Saint) 23. 10:16 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 24. 10:16 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 25. 10:17 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 26. 10:28 AM - Re: Digiflight IIVSGV (Andrew Barker) 27. 10:46 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Tim Olson) 28. 10:53 AM - Re: Digiflight IIVSGV (Tim Olson) 29. 11:13 AM - Re: FW: Digiflight IIVSGV (Tim Olson) 30. 11:47 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 31. 11:56 AM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 32. 12:27 PM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 33. 01:07 PM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 34. 01:18 PM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 35. 03:38 PM - Re: finishing kit ommisions () 36. 07:08 PM - gas tanks () 37. 08:47 PM - Re: FW: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG (Richard Sipp) 38. 08:47 PM - Re: gas tanks (Jesse Saint) 39. 08:50 PM - Re: RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise? (John W. Cox) 40. 09:05 PM - Re: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility (Jesse Saint) 41. 09:09 PM - Re: FW: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG (Tim Dawson-Townsend) 42. 09:11 PM - Re: FW: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG (Robert G. Wright) 43. 10:19 PM - Re: FW: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG (Richard Sipp) 44. 10:28 PM - Re: FW: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG (Richard Sipp) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:15 AM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise? --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Proseal? Is that stuff easy to work with? And where can you buy it? :) PLEASE DON'T ANSWER!! Rick S. 40185 Wiring, Wiring , Wiring do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:35 AM PST US From: greerdans@aol.com Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Model I=99d like to thank everyone that helped my wife Leslie surprise me wi th a scale model of the RV-10 as a gift for our 25th anniversary. She had seen an e-mail that I received about the model but had not deleted. Trying t o get more information she replied to the e-mail but inadvertently replied t o the entire list. Apparently, several of you replied to warn her to delete all traces of the e-mail thread to prevent me from learning about it. A special thanks to Jesse Saint, who through numerous e-mail with Leslie wor ked through the paint scheme, finally deciding to leave it white to allow me an opportunity to use or decals or stickers to test ideas when I get to the final paint design. The model was a complete surprise. The quality and detail are great. It is s omething that I would never have bought myself but something I really enjoy and appreciate. I have a fantastic wife who is incredibly supportive while I pursue this dre am of building my own plane. The fact that the RV community is there to help out is not lost on her or me. Thanks again, George Costigan 40434 Wings Do Not Archive ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:22 AM PST US From: Perry Casson Subject: RE: RV10-List: Silpruf for window adhesive --> RV10-List message posted by: Perry Casson I've no experience painting silpruf, it does come in about a dozen colors so for the less fashion conscious such as myself I'll just pick a color that's not too hideous (i.e. black or grey) and just paint up to the fillet. Perry Perry, Have you had any luck painting the silpruf? Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 www.AirCraftersLLC.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:50 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: upholstry --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" For those who have done the seats; what thickness of foam did you use for the rear? Any pictures of completed rear seats? front seats? How many yards of material were used to do front and rear. I am in the process of getting estimates ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:06 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little grommet deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the baffles? I need to buy them, but can=92t find them for the life of me. Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 -- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:08 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet From: "Phillips, Jack" Jesse, Are you talking about the AN931 Elastic Grommets? The black rubber grommets that look like flat washers with a deep groove in them? I don't have a recent AS&S catalog here at the office, but the 2002 version I have has them in the Airframe Parts section, just before you get to Flying Wires and Control System supplies. At least that's what I used on my Pietenpol Air Camper for the same application. I'm ordering my RV-10 empennage kit as soon as I get back from my honeymoon next month. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little grommet deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the baffles? I need to buy them, but can't find them for the life of me. Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 -- 6/14/2006 Cardinal Health -- Working together. For life. (sm) _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:00 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" "I'm ordering my RV-10 empennage kit as soon as I get back from my honeymoon next month." C'mon Jack, where are your priorities?!? : ) TDT 40025 Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet Jesse, Are you talking about the AN931 Elastic Grommets? The black rubber grommets that look like flat washers with a deep groove in them? I don't have a recent AS&S catalog here at the office, but the 2002 version I have has them in the Airframe Parts section, just before you get to Flying Wires and Control System supplies. At least that's what I used on my Pietenpol Air Camper for the same application. I'm ordering my RV-10 empennage kit as soon as I get back from my honeymoon next month. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little grommet deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the baffles? I need to buy them, but can't find them for the life of me. Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 Cardinal Health -- Working together. For life. (sm) _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email -- 6/14/2006 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:59 AM PST US From: Phil Hall Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet --> RV10-List message posted by: Phil Hall Jesse, Page 264 Phil 888-583-5155 At 11:10 AM 6/15/2006 -0400, you wrote: > > Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little grommet > deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the baffles? I need > to buy them, but can t find them for the life of me. > > > > Do not archive. > > > > Jesse Saint > > I-TEC, Inc. > > jesse@itecusa.org > > www.itecusa.org > > W: 352-465-4545 > > C: 352-427-0285 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:37 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Online, I show it in the Engine Parts - Ignition Parts section: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/engbaffleseals.php 5MM WIRE SEAL 3-WIRE # 376 $4.00 Catalog page .pdf: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06264.pdf Page 264 Jesse Saint wrote: > Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little > grommet deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the > baffles? I need to buy them, but cant find them for the life of me. > > > > Do not archive. > > > > Jesse Saint > > I-TEC, Inc. > > jesse@itecusa.org > > www.itecusa.org > > W: 352-465-4545 > > C: 352-427-0285 > > > > > -- > 6/14/2006 > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:52 AM PST US From: Bill DeRouchey Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet Since I already had many of the firewall forward components it wasn't necessary to order Vans kit. The part from Spruce is M2376 and is manufactured by Slick. It is the old style of two nylon pieces that fit together and bolt to the baffle. Note that on Spruce catalog page 264 the picture is labeled incorrectly. Bill "Phillips, Jack" wrote: Jesse, Are you talking about the AN931 Elastic Grommets? The black rubber grommets that look like flat washers with a deep groove in them? I dont have a recent AS&S catalog here at the office, but the 2002 version I have has them in the Airframe Parts section, just before you get to Flying Wires and Control System supplies. At least thats what I used on my Pietenpol Air Camper for the same application. Im ordering my RV-10 empennage kit as soon as I get back from my honeymoon next month. Jack Phillips Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet Does anybody know where in the Spruce catalog they sell those little grommet deals that hold the 3 top plug wires as they go through the baffles? I need to buy them, but cant find them for the life of me. Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 Cardinal Health -- Working together. For life. (sm) _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Norsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email -- 6/14/2006 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:52 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: upholstry --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" I don't know the thickness exactly, but it was pretty much the same as the front seats (we got it from Abby at Flightline Interiors). As far as material used, I think we used 2.5 hides on 3 seats, but I dont know how that translates to yards. I know someone who would know, but if you call her she won't tell you unless you have her sew up your seats (and she does a really good job, too). Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: RV10-List: upholstry --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" For those who have done the seats; what thickness of foam did you use for the rear? Any pictures of completed rear seats? front seats? How many yards of material were used to do front and rear. I am in the process of getting estimates -- -- ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:39 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" I got it now. For those who don't get their engines from Van's, you will need to order them. They are called: SLICK THREE WIRE 5MM WIRE SEAL P/N M2376 $10.90 ea. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 -- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:30 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV Tim (or anybody else who might know), I understand that the Garmin 480 is a WAAS GPS, so it will steer the Digiflight IIVSGV vertically (which the Garmin 430 and 530 will not, at least not until they have the WAAS upgrade available). Do you know if it will actually fly you down the WAAS approaches? Further, will it fly vertical portions of other approaches as well, or just the WAAS ones? N415EC will have a 430, so I am just planning on the Digiflight IIVSG, but wanted to know the capabilities of different instruments on the GV model. Also, what other GPS=92s/Instruments will give Vertical GPS Steering information to the A/P? Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 -- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:56 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Soooooo, who would it be that you'd recommend buying them for $10.90, when you can buy them from Spruce for $4.00? Once again: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/engbaffleseals.php 5MM WIRE SEAL 3-WIRE # 376 $4.00 Catalog page 264: .pdf: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06264.pdf Tim Jesse Saint wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" > > I got it now. For those who don't get their engines from Van's, you will > need to order them. They are called: > > SLICK THREE WIRE 5MM WIRE SEAL > P/N M2376 > $10.90 ea. > > Jesse Saint > I-TEC, Inc. > jesse@itecusa.org > www.itecusa.org > W: 352-465-4545 > C: 352-427-0285 > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:04 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: upholstry From: "zackrv8" --> RV10-List message posted by: "zackrv8" Vans sells the rear seat foam cushions. I just got mine and they look pretty good. Zack -------- RV8 #80125 RV10 # 40512 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41246#41246 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:09 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:26 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I don't know for sure if it will fly the vertical approach. That may be only with the Chelton. You may want to ask TruTrak that. I know the GNS480 is capable, but I don't know if the DFIIVSGV is, when coupled to it. You may need the RV-10 model or the sorcerer. As far as the other capabilities of the GNS480, I have explored very little of that unit. The Chelton has been so overwhelmingly much easier to use, and appears to be so much more capable when coupled to the GNS480, that other than as a backup, I don't feel any urge to use it in depth. I probably should have gone with a cheaper Nav/com/gps, or another SL30 + 396 combo instead of the 480, and then added the freeflight WAAS receiver to my Chelton, because that would have cost about the same and given even more power. To the A/P, the only things that will give it vertical steering are items capable of doing it digitally through ARINC. Tim Jesse Saint wrote: > Tim (or anybody else who might know), > > > > I understand that the Garmin 480 is a WAAS GPS, so it will steer the > Digiflight IIVSGV vertically (which the Garmin 430 and 530 will not, at > least not until they have the WAAS upgrade available). Do you know if > it will actually fly you down the WAAS approaches? Further, will it fly > vertical portions of other approaches as well, or just the WAAS ones? > N415EC will have a 430, so I am just planning on the Digiflight IIVSG, > but wanted to know the capabilities of different instruments on the GV > model. Also, what other GPSs/Instruments will give Vertical GPS > Steering information to the A/P? > > > > Do not archive. > > > > Jesse Saint > > I-TEC, Inc. > > jesse@itecusa.org > > www.itecusa.org > > W: 352-465-4545 > > C: 352-427-0285 > > > > > -- > 6/14/2006 > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an IO-540 with the SD-20? TDT ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:11 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet From: "Phillips, Jack" We'll, she's my chief rivet bucker. We did both get to fly an RV-10 a couple of weeks ago, and she agreed it is much more comfortable than the back seat of my RV-4. For a non-pilot, she's a pretty aviation-minded lady, so I'd do well to keep her happy. I'm an AIDS survivor (Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome) so when I found one that likes to fly, I figured I'd better do something to keep her. Jack -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet "I'm ordering my RV-10 empennage kit as soon as I get back from my honeymoon next month." C'mon Jack, where are your priorities?!? : ) TDT 40025 Do not archive -- 6/14/2006 Cardinal Health -- Working together. For life. (sm) _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N orsk - Portuguese - Svenska: www.cardinalhealth.com/legal/email ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:11 AM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Bob, Why don't you just use a remote mounting for the filter? All you'd need is an Engine-Adapterplate, two short hoses and a Filter Mount. AND you can mount the filter right side up for less oil mess when changing it. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) To: RV10-List@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 6/14/2006 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:04 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" They are not the same part. I don't have them in my hand to compare, but the $4 ones are narrow while the $10.90 ones are shaped differently, probably to provide a better seal. Again, the part number, as stated below, is M2376, whereas the ones you mentioned are just 376. Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:37 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plug Wire Grommet --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Soooooo, who would it be that you'd recommend buying them for $10.90, when you can buy them from Spruce for $4.00? Once again: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/engbaffleseals.php 5MM WIRE SEAL 3-WIRE # 376 $4.00 Catalog page 264: .pdf: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/catalog/Cat06264.pdf Tim Jesse Saint wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" > > I got it now. For those who don't get their engines from Van's, you will > need to order them. They are called: > > SLICK THREE WIRE 5MM WIRE SEAL > P/N M2376 > $10.90 ea. > > Jesse Saint > I-TEC, Inc. > jesse@itecusa.org > www.itecusa.org > W: 352-465-4545 > C: 352-427-0285 > -- -- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:29 AM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility The Mattituck engine came with the angled adapter. That will be VERY NICE for changing oil. It is in the 2-o=92clock position when looking at the engine from the front. Is this the same one you are talking about? I wasn=92t planning on the aux alternator anyway, but that=92s good to know. Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o=92clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4=94 spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 -- -- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:30 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Tim, That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be. Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad. Bob _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an IO-540 with the SD-20? TDT _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:55 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Jesse, Adapter is similar to B&C's - they both have a spacer to clear the engine mount and that's what specifically causes the issue. Bob _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility The Mattituck engine came with the angled adapter. That will be VERY NICE for changing oil. It is in the 2-o'clock position when looking at the engine from the front. Is this the same one you are talking about? I wasn't planning on the aux alternator anyway, but that's good to know. Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 -- 6/14/2006 -- 6/14/2006 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I may go that route but at the moment have the original filter adapter back on. Bob _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad L. Werner Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Bob, Why don't you just use a remote mounting for the filter? All you'd need is an Engine-Adapterplate, two short hoses and a Filter Mount. AND you can mount the filter right side up for less oil mess when changing it. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) To: RV10-List@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 _____ Date: 6/14/2006 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:19 AM PST US From: "Andrew Barker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV The Digiflight II VSGV will fly the WAAS approach from the GNS480. Currently only the 480, Grand Rapids EFIS, and Chelton EFIS have been verified to couple with the Digiflight II VSGV. Andrew Barker General Manager TruTrak Flight Systems "You build it...We fly it!" PH:479-751-0250 Ext. 222 www.trutrakap.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV Tim (or anybody else who might know), I understand that the Garmin 480 is a WAAS GPS, so it will steer the Digiflight IIVSGV vertically (which the Garmin 430 and 530 will not, at least not until they have the WAAS upgrade available). Do you know if it will actually fly you down the WAAS approaches? Further, will it fly vertical portions of other approaches as well, or just the WAAS ones? N415EC will have a 430, so I am just planning on the Digiflight IIVSG, but wanted to know the capabilities of different instruments on the GV model. Also, what other GPS's/Instruments will give Vertical GPS Steering information to the A/P? Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 __________ NOD32 1.1600 (20060615) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- 6/14/2006 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:30 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Yes, Ed called me last week telling me of the exact same situation he has with his system. SD-20 + Angled adapter = no-go. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote: > Bob, are you saying that B&Cs own oil filter adaptor wont work on an > IO-540 with the SD-20? > > > > TDT > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Condrey, > Bob (US SSA) > *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM > *To:* RV10-List@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility > > > > Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 > auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter > adapters that puts the filter in the 10 oclock position. If your > electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from > using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I > investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump > pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter > precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. > > > > Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the > one from B&C) you need the 1.4 spacer to clear the engine mount cross > member. > > > > Bob #40105 > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:54 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson That's great news. I never tried it with the 480 yet, and don't know why I'd need to unless I'm completely EFIS failed. But, it's great that the DFIIVSGV can do it. It's a heck of a good little AP for it's size and cost. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Andrew Barker wrote: > The Digiflight II VSGV will fly the WAAS approach from the GNS480. > Currently only the 480, Grand Rapids EFIS, and Chelton EFIS have been > verified to couple with the Digiflight II VSGV. > > > > Andrew Barker > > General Manager > > TruTrak Flight Systems > > "You build it...We fly it!" > > PH:479-751-0250 Ext. 222 > > www.trutrakap.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse Saint > *Sent:* Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:19 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV > > > > Tim (or anybody else who might know), > > > > I understand that the Garmin 480 is a WAAS GPS, so it will steer the > Digiflight IIVSGV vertically (which the Garmin 430 and 530 will not, at > least not until they have the WAAS upgrade available). Do you know if > it will actually fly you down the WAAS approaches? Further, will it fly > vertical portions of other approaches as well, or just the WAAS ones? > N415EC will have a 430, so I am just planning on the Digiflight IIVSG, > but wanted to know the capabilities of different instruments on the GV > model. Also, what other GPSs/Instruments will give Vertical GPS > Steering information to the A/P? > > > > Do not archive. > > > > Jesse Saint > > I-TEC, Inc. > > jesse@itecusa.org > > www.itecusa.org > > W: 352-465-4545 > > C: 352-427-0285 > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1600 (20060615) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > -- > 6/14/2006 > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:24 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson Another list member saw today's AP reply I did, and asked me to comment on now that I've been flying a while, what would I change on the panel. I wrote this reply, but decided to send it on to the list, because I know one choice that always bugs builders is what to get between the GNS-430, 480, and 530. I don't have all the answers, but I may as well send the reply out so the other interested parties can see how I feel today... ========================= Replying to: "Tim... If you had to spec your panel out today what would you change? Your input would be appreciated as I try and detail mine out." It's a hard question....really hard. I have very little that I'd change, actually. I use COM1 (SL-30) all the time, and it's about the best thing since sliced bread when it comes to a nice and cheap simple NAV/COM. What I really lack though, is *certified* WAAS data fed into the Chelton for a totally truly certified WAAS legal approach. The FreeFlight GPS enables that. So for me to fly WAAS approaches, I should technically load the approach into both systems and fly it while monitoring the GNS-480 all the time. To me, that isn't perfect. But, then there's the dilema.... What *great* options do I have where I could save money and keep things fitting into the panel? Well, the GNS480 gone gives me room for another SL-30. Plus, I'd have room for something else that's not too thick. But, I can't really mount a 396 in the panel with what I have left. The 396 is really nice, but I'll tell you I'm not interested in having any of in-flight navigation stuff hanging off in other places. If it isn't on the panel, I'm not happy. The only compromise is with the paper or tablet charts....those are kind of nice to have portable anyway, so I can have someone else pull them up and prepare them for me and read them without playing with my panel. Then there's the issue that the GNS480 is really a sweet radio anyway. It works really well, and does some things that I love. I can tune a VOR and load a GPS waypoint, and it will not only display the distance to the waypoint, but I get a readout as to my distance from the VOR too. I like to keep the nearest VOR's punched up on the SL-30 and GNS480 on X/C trips. It works great as a COMM, and it also displays traffic, but only a fraction of the quality of what the Chelton traffic display is. But in general, it's a beauty of a radio. And, since it fits, it's a nice, graphical GPS, that runs a CDI, that can fly approaches, and according to Andrew's post will even fly my WAAS approach....so it's a great unit. And, it fits in the location just great. So, if I ditched it, there isn't anything as fantastic that I could put in it's place. Maybe a 430. But, without the 480 in the panel, I'd sill want the FreeFlight for it's WAAS, and integrated into the Chelton would make the Chelton IDEAL. But at this point, the only reason I'd choose a 430 over a 480 is cost..... So ultimately, I'm left with what would I actually DO with my panel if I wanted to change it??? At this point, I can say that after 80+ hours, there's nothing that I'd really *change* about it, but, if I can find me a good deal on a FreeFlight GPS, I may possibly be willing to ADD to it. I love the panel, and it's everything I dreamed it would be, but I could add that icing on the cake. Anyone who has a FreeFlight that they want to get rid of, talk to me....I may very well be interested. Oh, and if I started all over again and could up the budget, and they were delivering at the time, I'd probably put in the TruTrak RV-10 Autopilot. I don't even know exactly what "more" it does, feature for feature, but I know it does *more*, and it has more buttons. For the cost though, if I was stuck with the same budget, and no more, I can honestly say I wouldn't change anything at all....from the electrical system, to the instrument choices, to the layout....it's all been exactly as I wanted. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:54 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > I don't know for sure if it will fly the vertical approach. That may be > only with the Chelton. You may want to ask TruTrak that. I know the > GNS480 is capable, but I don't know if the DFIIVSGV is, when coupled to > it. You may need the RV-10 model or the sorcerer. > > As far as the other capabilities of the GNS480, I have explored very > little of that unit. The Chelton has been so overwhelmingly much easier > to use, and appears to be so much more capable when coupled to the > GNS480, that other than as a backup, I don't feel any urge > to use it in depth. I probably should have gone with a cheaper > Nav/com/gps, or another SL30 + 396 combo instead of the 480, and then > added the freeflight WAAS receiver to my Chelton, because that would > have cost about the same and given even more power. > To the A/P, the only things that will give it vertical steering are > items capable of doing it digitally through ARINC. > Tim > > > Jesse Saint wrote: >> Tim (or anybody else who might know), >> >> >> >> I understand that the Garmin 480 is a WAAS GPS, so it will steer the >> Digiflight IIVSGV vertically (which the Garmin 430 and 530 will not, >> at least not until they have the WAAS upgrade available). Do you know > >> if it will actually fly you down the WAAS approaches? Further, will >> it fly vertical portions of other approaches as well, or just the WAAS > ones? >> N415EC will have a 430, so I am just planning on the Digiflight IIVSG, > >> but wanted to know the capabilities of different instruments on the GV > >> model. Also, what other GPS's/Instruments will give Vertical GPS >> Steering information to the A/P? >> >> >> >> Do not archive. >> >> >> >> Jesse Saint >> >> I-TEC, Inc. >> >> jesse@itecusa.org >> >> www.itecusa.org >> >> W: 352-465-4545 >> >> C: 352-427-0285 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 6/14/2006 >> > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Anyway to machine a little bit off the adaptor to make it work? TDT 40025 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 1:15 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Tim, That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be. Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an IO-540 with the SD-20? TDT ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I don't think so - that spacer is really a collection of hollow chambers with relatively thin walls. On the alternator, it's the bosses for the screws that connect the front and rear sections together that cause the issue. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Anyway to machine a little bit off the adaptor to make it work? TDT 40025 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 1:15 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Tim, That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be. Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an IO-540 with the SD-20? TDT ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:27 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Hmm. I'd have to go take a look, but any chance the B&C adaptor #BC708-1 would work? It puts the filter in the 6:30 (down) position, instead of 11:00 (up) position. Would the spacer still be required? TDT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I don't think so - that spacer is really a collection of hollow chambers with relatively thin walls. On the alternator, it's the bosses for the screws that connect the front and rear sections together that cause the issue. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Anyway to machine a little bit off the adaptor to make it work? TDT 40025 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 1:15 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Tim, That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be. Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an IO-540 with the SD-20? TDT ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:58 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I would think it would work fine with no spacer. Reason the spacer is required is because with the 11:00 (up) version the top of the filter is above the diagonal cross member on the engine mount by about an inch or so. The 1.4" spacer is the minimum that it takes to get the filter aft far enough to clear the engine mount. I may give them a call and see if they'd be willing to swap - interesting that the listed price is $55 different between them... Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Hmm. I'd have to go take a look, but any chance the B&C adaptor #BC708-1 would work? It puts the filter in the 6:30 (down) position, instead of 11:00 (up) position. Would the spacer still be required? TDT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I don't think so - that spacer is really a collection of hollow chambers with relatively thin walls. On the alternator, it's the bosses for the screws that connect the front and rear sections together that cause the issue. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Anyway to machine a little bit off the adaptor to make it work? TDT 40025 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 1:15 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Tim, That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be. Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an IO-540 with the SD-20? TDT ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:55 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I just got off the phone with Bill at B&C - they have a solution. I will provide specifics when I confirm it will work. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Hmm. I'd have to go take a look, but any chance the B&C adaptor #BC708-1 would work? It puts the filter in the 6:30 (down) position, instead of 11:00 (up) position. Would the spacer still be required? TDT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" I don't think so - that spacer is really a collection of hollow chambers with relatively thin walls. On the alternator, it's the bosses for the screws that connect the front and rear sections together that cause the issue. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Anyway to machine a little bit off the adaptor to make it work? TDT 40025 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 1:15 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Tim, That is correct! Specific problem is caused by the spacer. The bosses on the alternator overlap into the space where the spacer wants to be. Explanation from B&C (Tim) was "that's a combination that we didn't anticipate". Apparently somebody else has also talked with them about that problem within the last couple of weeks. His only suggestion was to try it on the hydraulic pump pad. I looked into that but the total length is an issue. I suppose you could get around that by modifying the firewall but it's not worth it to me - I'll just go with the normal oil filter adapter and the SD-20 on the vacuum pad. Bob ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Bob, are you saying that B&C's own oil filter adaptor won't work on an IO-540 with the SD-20? TDT ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o'clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4" spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:25 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: finishing kit ommisions --> RV10-List message posted by: Chris, If you would fax me a list I would appreciate it. I am also planning on using James wheel pants. Thanks again! 770-412-0540 > > From: "Chris Hukill" > Date: 2006/06/09 Fri AM 11:58:26 EDT > To: > Subject: RV10-List: finishing kit ommisions > > I just sent Barb at Vans a list of the items to omit from my finishing kit. I previously had her send me an inventory list of the kit, so I knew what was there. As I want to leave my options open for a James cowl, I omitted the cowl top, bottom, left/ right inlets, oil door and core, and all the spinner parts (7 items). I also omitted the tires and tubes, as I like the leakguard tubes and better tires. If anyone wants the actual part numbers of the cowl / spinner parts to omit, I would be happy to fax the list, and save you and Vans the trouble. > > Chris Hukill > completing Andair installation > 702 591-7551 cel > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:57 PM PST US From: Subject: RV10-List: gas tanks --> RV10-List message posted by: I am building a quickbuild RV-10 and want the SafeAir1 extra fuel tanks as I fly to Central America yearly. Will these easily adapt to the quickbuild wings and tanks? I have only received the tail kit. Just trying to plan ahead. Thanks Jim ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:19 PM PST US From: "Richard Sipp" Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Another list member saw today's AP reply I did, and asked me > to comment on now that I've been flying a while, what would > I change on the panel. I wrote this reply, but decided to > send it on to the list, because I know one choice that > always bugs builders is what to get between the GNS-430, > 480, and 530. I don't have all the answers, but I may > as well send the reply out so the other interested parties > can see how I feel today... Tim has provided tons of valuable information and continues to do so. To his credit he is willing to acknowledge when there might be alternative ways to do something. Tim's great panel is an example of state of the art IFR capable technology available today. Instrument panels are probably the best example of builders expressing their preferences and ideas. Here is one more. In my case I appreciated the capability of the Chelton, not just the screen display and its conformal duplication of the outside world but also its flight management features. So, being on a budget, I tried to come up with a Chelton based panel as economically and simply as possible without sacrificing anything necessary for safe redundant IFR & full GPS approach capability. The basic components are the Cheltons with optional Free Flight 1201 WAAS receiver. This GPS is a remote mounted unit not a panel mount and "plays" through the Chelton. The rest of the major components are an SL30,SL40,327, AOA, VMC1000 engine monitor TruTrak Digiflight VGVS and back up ADI with independent battery. The Free Flight receiver is certified for LNAV/VNAV procedures and will be upgradable to the new LPV approach and provides full RAIM functionality. With this combination I should be able to fly automatic coupled GPS approaches or a manual ILS with both the ILS raw data and a GPS derived HTS display of the ILS displayed on the Chelton simultaneously. We did elect to have the panel built by Aerotronics rather than attempting to do it here. I think compared to the amount of time I would have had to spend on that project it was money well spent. Like engine shops that test run engines after the build, the panel is bench tested for all functions and inspected by an independent avionics inspector after completion. One of the write ups was "finger print smudge on PFD display" The documentation for installing the panel in the airframe is on a par with Van's kit instructions and makes the process easy to complete. Aerotronics completed several other optional systems like trim and infinity stick grip wiring all pre-tested. If you elect to have a panel built by one of the specialized shops you will spend a lot of time communicating with them during the course of the project. I was completely satisfied with the process at Aerotronics. We were able to position the Chelton displays and other radios with the PFD centered in front of the pilot and without having to modify any of the longitudinal ribs that connect the panel to the firewall. Two openings were required in the subpanel for the Garmin radios. The switches and circuit breakers are arranged in order of normal usage with the exception of the fuel pump switch (above throttle) and autopilot master (next to autopilot). The picture does not do justice to the quality of the detail work on the front and back of the panel but it provides an idea of the layout. I traveled by car half way across the country to pick up the panel and thought about trying to power the panel, put a GPS antenna on the roof and "fly" it home but ended up just wrapping it in foam and putting it in the truck. Picture attached. Dick Sipp 40065 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:19 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: gas tanks --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" I have not used them, but my understanding is that they are made specifically to be installed in finished wings as a retro-fit option, so you just need to make sure you don't have any wingtip antennas and you should be fine. You will need to do a little plumbing to get the fuel into your existing tanks, but I think that is the hardest part of the installation. Where do you go in Central America? Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gorejr@bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: RV10-List: gas tanks --> RV10-List message posted by: I am building a quickbuild RV-10 and want the SafeAir1 extra fuel tanks as I fly to Central America yearly. Will these easily adapt to the quickbuild wings and tanks? I have only received the tail kit. Just trying to plan ahead. Thanks Jim -- -- ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:37 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise? From: "John W. Cox" --> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" This subject was addresses several (many) months ago and should be in the archives. The Lancair (plastic) planes have structural cracking in the composite where two uniquely different substrate meet. The rates of expansion and contraction are different. The VANS approach of mixing the matrix resin does not transfer structural forces between the two materials well. The 10 has significantly more composite than any kit before it. In the case of the Lancairs it is at the wing fairing fillet, the windshield fillet and obviously where two materials mate. Flox or other structural fibers are needed. It is common place with micro balloons and thickening agents. The good news is that reality did not take 24 to 36 months to show itself. I have pictures to support the premise and technical material available to those still building. Contact me offline. Thank goodness you did not invest 24-28 thousand in a custom paint job before encountering this characteristic. I can share the pain. John Cox - $00.02 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 4:44 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise? --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson I think it's amazing that the response you got was that they were not aware. I haven't so far seen a -10 that doesn't have at least a little cracking. Mine isn't nearly as bad as some I've seen, but it's still fairly new at 84 approx. hours and only a couple days out in the hot sun. Maybe it'll get worse, maybe it won't. But it's definitely a minor issue. There are those that think weld-on isn't the stuff to use, and there are those who think that you should lay light e-glass over the joint. I'm not overly disappointed in how mine turned out, so I'm happy with the per-plans way so far, but, if you can improve it without causing any other issues, it's probably worth doing something else. I'll leave the tips on that to those who've done something else...but I think you're on the right track. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Mark & Gina Steffensen wrote: > Today I asked Van's regarding cracking between the fiberglass window > frames and the Plexiglas. > > Van's told me that they were not aware that this is an issue. I saw this > cracking for myself on several RV10's at Sun in Fun. > > I am getting close to installing my windows, has anyone devised an > alternative method to help prevent the cracking? > > It appears to me that this anomaly it is due to the different expansion > and contracting properties of the fiberglass and Plexiglas. > > I am planning on having a 1/16 gap between the plexi and window frames, > install windows with the Weld-10. Next I am planning on installing 2 > inch fiberglass tape around the perimeter of the windows overlapping the > junction...Next fill and sand and fair into the fuselage lid and or doors... > > Any thoughts.....Mark > > Mark Steffensen > Atlanta GA > > RV8A Sold > RV10 Soon > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:01 PM PST US From: "Jesse Saint" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Is yours supposed to be in this position? Where is the alternator supposed to go? Do not archive. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org W: 352-465-4545 C: 352-427-0285 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Adapter Incompatibility Heads up! There is a physical incompatibility between the B&C SD-20 auxiliary alternator (mounts on vacuum pump pad) and the oil filter adapters that puts the filter in the 10 o=92clock position. If your electrical system is depending on the SD-20 you will be precluded from using the angled oil filter adapter. After discussion with B&C I investigated the possibility of moving the SD-20 to the hydraulic pump pad but total length of the alternator + hydraulic pump adapter precludes the SD-20 from being mounted there. Also, if you go with one of the angled oil filter adapters (at least the one from B&C) you need the 1.4=94 spacer to clear the engine mount cross member. Bob #40105 -- -- ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:47 PM PST US Subject: RE: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Looks nice. How much? TDT do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Richard Sipp Sent: Thu 6/15/2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Another list member saw today's AP reply I did, and asked me > to comment on now that I've been flying a while, what would > I change on the panel. I wrote this reply, but decided to > send it on to the list, because I know one choice that > always bugs builders is what to get between the GNS-430, > 480, and 530. I don't have all the answers, but I may > as well send the reply out so the other interested parties > can see how I feel today... Tim has provided tons of valuable information and continues to do so. To his credit he is willing to acknowledge when there might be alternative ways to do something. Tim's great panel is an example of state of the art IFR capable technology available today. Instrument panels are probably the best example of builders expressing their preferences and ideas. Here is one more. In my case I appreciated the capability of the Chelton, not just the screen display and its conformal duplication of the outside world but also its flight management features. So, being on a budget, I tried to come up with a Chelton based panel as economically and simply as possible without sacrificing anything necessary for safe redundant IFR & full GPS approach capability. The basic components are the Cheltons with optional Free Flight 1201 WAAS receiver. This GPS is a remote mounted unit not a panel mount and "plays" through the Chelton. The rest of the major components are an SL30,SL40,327, AOA, VMC1000 engine monitor TruTrak Digiflight VGVS and back up ADI with independent battery. The Free Flight receiver is certified for LNAV/VNAV procedures and will be upgradable to the new LPV approach and provides full RAIM functionality. With this combination I should be able to fly automatic coupled GPS approaches or a manual ILS with both the ILS raw data and a GPS derived HTS display of the ILS displayed on the Chelton simultaneously. We did elect to have the panel built by Aerotronics rather than attempting to do it here. I think compared to the amount of time I would have had to spend on that project it was money well spent. Like engine shops that test run engines after the build, the panel is bench tested for all functions and inspected by an independent avionics inspector after completion. One of the write ups was "finger print smudge on PFD display" The documentation for installing the panel in the airframe is on a par with Van's kit instructions and makes the process easy to complete. Aerotronics completed several other optional systems like trim and infinity stick grip wiring all pre-tested. If you elect to have a panel built by one of the specialized shops you will spend a lot of time communicating with them during the course of the project. I was completely satisfied with the process at Aerotronics. We were able to position the Chelton displays and other radios with the PFD centered in front of the pilot and without having to modify any of the longitudinal ribs that connect the panel to the firewall. Two openings were required in the subpanel for the Garmin radios. The switches and circuit breakers are arranged in order of normal usage with the exception of the fuel pump switch (above throttle) and autopilot master (next to autopilot). The picture does not do justice to the quality of the detail work on the front and back of the panel but it provides an idea of the layout. I traveled by car half way across the country to pick up the panel and thought about trying to power the panel, put a GPS antenna on the roof and "fly" it home but ended up just wrapping it in foam and putting it in the truck. Picture attached. Dick Sipp 40065 ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:39 PM PST US From: "Robert G. Wright" Subject: RE: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" Could you or others please post some pictures of the backs of your panels so I can start getting a mental image of possibilities? Rob #392 Wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sipp Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Digiflight IIVSGV > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson > > Another list member saw today's AP reply I did, and asked me > to comment on now that I've been flying a while, what would > I change on the panel. I wrote this reply, but decided to > send it on to the list, because I know one choice that > always bugs builders is what to get between the GNS-430, > 480, and 530. I don't have all the answers, but I may > as well send the reply out so the other interested parties > can see how I feel today... Tim has provided tons of valuable information and continues to do so. To his credit he is willing to acknowledge when there might be alternative ways to do something. Tim's great panel is an example of state of the art IFR capable technology available today. Instrument panels are probably the best example of builders expressing their preferences and ideas. Here is one more. In my case I appreciated the capability of the Chelton, not just the screen display and its conformal duplication of the outside world but also its flight management features. So, being on a budget, I tried to come up with a Chelton based panel as economically and simply as possible without sacrificing anything necessary for safe redundant IFR & full GPS approach capability. The basic components are the Cheltons with optional Free Flight 1201 WAAS receiver. This GPS is a remote mounted unit not a panel mount and "plays" through the Chelton. The rest of the major components are an SL30,SL40,327, AOA, VMC1000 engine monitor TruTrak Digiflight VGVS and back up ADI with independent battery. The Free Flight receiver is certified for LNAV/VNAV procedures and will be upgradable to the new LPV approach and provides full RAIM functionality. With this combination I should be able to fly automatic coupled GPS approaches or a manual ILS with both the ILS raw data and a GPS derived HTS display of the ILS displayed on the Chelton simultaneously. We did elect to have the panel built by Aerotronics rather than attempting to do it here. I think compared to the amount of time I would have had to spend on that project it was money well spent. Like engine shops that test run engines after the build, the panel is bench tested for all functions and inspected by an independent avionics inspector after completion. One of the write ups was "finger print smudge on PFD display" The documentation for installing the panel in the airframe is on a par with Van's kit instructions and makes the process easy to complete. Aerotronics completed several other optional systems like trim and infinity stick grip wiring all pre-tested. If you elect to have a panel built by one of the specialized shops you will spend a lot of time communicating with them during the course of the project. I was completely satisfied with the process at Aerotronics. We were able to position the Chelton displays and other radios with the PFD centered in front of the pilot and without having to modify any of the longitudinal ribs that connect the panel to the firewall. Two openings were required in the subpanel for the Garmin radios. The switches and circuit breakers are arranged in order of normal usage with the exception of the fuel pump switch (above throttle) and autopilot master (next to autopilot). The picture does not do justice to the quality of the detail work on the front and back of the panel but it provides an idea of the layout. I traveled by car half way across the country to pick up the panel and thought about trying to power the panel, put a GPS antenna on the roof and "fly" it home but ended up just wrapping it in foam and putting it in the truck. Picture attached. Dick Sipp 40065 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:09 PM PST US From: "Richard Sipp" Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG --> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert G. Wright" Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:10 AM Subject: RE: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" > > > Could you or others please post some pictures of the backs of your panels > so > I can start getting a mental image of possibilities? > > Rob > > #392 Wings Rob, Tim's web site has lots of pictures that show how he finished the back side of the panel. I'll throw out a few more when I get all of the components that go back there installed. There is a lot of stuff that can or should go in that area, like electronic ignition boxes, voltage regulators, altitude encoders attitude reference sensor etc. Some of these components don't necessarily have to go there but it is convenient. I'm not sure if I am following the best sequence but I am trying to at least plan for and preliminarily mount everything while the panel & sub structure is on the airplane without the top skin. The intent is to then remove most of the components, rivet the top skin to the ribs per the plans, permanently mount the components on a bench and then late in the process (after cabin top is fitted) permanently install that structure. The Aertronics (and probably other shops) cable connector system makes this easier to do. The instrument panel itself can still be removed if necessary as per Van's plans. Dick 40065 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:22 PM PST US From: "Richard Sipp" Subject: Re: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG --> RV10-List message posted by: "Richard Sipp" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:08 AM Subject: RE: FW: RV10-List: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Looks nice. How much? TDT do not archive A little over 50M. (Sold the RV4 and had a little left over) The autopilot was included with the Chelton system during their promotion last year. Dick "Frogman"