---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/17/06: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:07 AM - Composite Reference Publication (John W. Cox) 2. 02:44 PM - Possible plans error - RV-10 FF4-2, Figure 4 (drain tube) (Tim Lewis) 3. 03:24 PM - Re: Possible plans error - RV-10 FF4-2, Figure 4 (drain tube) (Marcus Cooper) 4. 03:48 PM - windows (David McNeill) 5. 04:46 PM - Re: RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise? (Rick) 6. 07:20 PM - Elevator tip rib skin question (LIKE2LOOP@aol.com) 7. 09:07 PM - Re: rear seat heat (KiloPapa) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:13 AM PST US From: "John W. Cox" Subject: RV10-List: Composite Reference Publication Many have now ventured into the realm of plastic (Composite) aircraft with their aluminum kit RV-10s. The canopy is larger and more complex that any VAN's before it. And did I say the wing tips, doors, canopy and engine cowls sometimes need modest rework. Here is a great reference as a primer. You can get Andy Marshall's latest edition book "Composite Basics" either directly through him at (925) 945-6051 or at MARSHALL CONSULT@aol.com Seventh Edition, AP. $30.00 mail to 720 Appaloosa Drive, Walnut Creek, CA 94596-6506 or http://www.buildersbooks.com/Compositebasics.htm?45,44 John - KUAO ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:46 PM PST US From: Tim Lewis Subject: RV10-List: Possible plans error - RV-10 FF4-2, Figure 4 (drain tube) --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Lewis Van's, Step 6 of RV-10 plans page FF4-2 calls for the use of 24" piece of PT-035x1/4 (thin wall tubing as used for FAB drain line) to be used as a fuel overflow tube for the engine driven fuel pump. As the name implies, PT-035x1/4 is 1/4" OD with .035 wall thickness, leaving an ID of .250-.070 =.180". RV-10 plans FF4-2, figure 4, calls out the use of an F63-PT3-25 insert to go inside the overflow tube. The F63-PT3-25 has an OD of about .137". The F63-PT3-25 is normally to be used in high pressure lines, such as the PT-062x1/4 RV-10 brake lines, which have 1/4" OD, .062" wall thickness, leaving an ID of .250-.124=.126". You can see this usage of the F63-PT3-25 on page 38-6, figure 2. If one tries to use the F63-PT3-25 with the specified PT-035x1/4 (thin wall) tubing, the F63-PT3-25 simply slides down the inside of the tube and falls out the other end. It's just too small. Once could use the F63-PT3-25 if one replaced the specified thin wall tubing with thick wall tubing such as left over brake line (PT-062x1/4). I'm hesitant to do that without checking with Vans, however, because the resulting ID is noticeably smaller than the specified tube. What approach do you recommend? Thanks, Tim Lewis -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD -- 830 hrs RV-10 #40059 under construction ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:35 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Possible plans error - RV-10 FF4-2, Figure 4 (drain tube) --> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" Tim, Hopefully not too simplistic, but I just used the tubing that fit the insert and used the other tubing for the FAB drain line. I can't imagine using thinner wall for the drain line would impact anything. I didn't even notice the plans error. Marcus Do not archive -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lewis Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:42 PM tube) --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Lewis Van's, Step 6 of RV-10 plans page FF4-2 calls for the use of 24" piece of PT-035x1/4 (thin wall tubing as used for FAB drain line) to be used as a fuel overflow tube for the engine driven fuel pump. As the name implies, PT-035x1/4 is 1/4" OD with .035 wall thickness, leaving an ID of .250-.070 =.180". RV-10 plans FF4-2, figure 4, calls out the use of an F63-PT3-25 insert to go inside the overflow tube. The F63-PT3-25 has an OD of about .137". The F63-PT3-25 is normally to be used in high pressure lines, such as the PT-062x1/4 RV-10 brake lines, which have 1/4" OD, .062" wall thickness, leaving an ID of .250-.124=.126". You can see this usage of the F63-PT3-25 on page 38-6, figure 2. If one tries to use the F63-PT3-25 with the specified PT-035x1/4 (thin wall) tubing, the F63-PT3-25 simply slides down the inside of the tube and falls out the other end. It's just too small. Once could use the F63-PT3-25 if one replaced the specified thin wall tubing with thick wall tubing such as left over brake line (PT-062x1/4). I'm hesitant to do that without checking with Vans, however, because the resulting ID is noticeably smaller than the specified tube. What approach do you recommend? Thanks, Tim Lewis -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD -- 830 hrs RV-10 #40059 under construction ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:02 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: windows --> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" Has anyone installed the rear windows while the lid was off the aircraft? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:16 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10 Window Junction Cracks - Any Advise? --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Thanks, My first response to using Proseal was reliant on my usual sarcastic fun loving nature side of things, but the more I think about it, Proseal does stay nice and flexible, takes paint very well, is sandable.....might not be a bad thing to consider for a final 1/8" final layup around the windows......maybe I'm just way past the tanks to remember the fun of Proseal....ya think? It may be an option! Rick S. BBQ for the weekend, no Plane fun do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:36 PM PST US From: LIKE2LOOP@aol.com Subject: RV10-List: Elevator tip rib skin question When assembling the elevator tip rib assembly, the tip skin (E-913) appears to go under the main elevator skin (E-1001A). This leaves a leading edge ridge of the 1001A over the 913. Is there any problem later if i put the 913 tip skin over the 1001A so the ridge is trailing? How did others deal with this? Does it effect the fit of the fiberglass tip later? Thanks for the help! Steve Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder / Cessna 170B flyer 766 SE River Lane Port St. Lucie, FL 34983 772-475-5556 cell ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:20 PM PST US From: "KiloPapa" Subject: RV10-List: Re: rear seat heat --> RV10-List message posted by: "KiloPapa" Check out the Aviacomp Worldwide website at: http://www.aviacompworldwide.com/heatboxes.html Kevin 40494 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41535#41535