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1. 12:29 AM - Re: EFIS/EMS (Albert Gardner)
2. 03:32 AM - Re: EFIS/EMS (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 04:26 AM - Re: EFIS/EMS (Tim Olson)
4. 05:15 AM - Re: Front Floor Pan (Jesse Saint)
5. 05:21 AM - Re: EFIS/EMS (Jesse Saint)
6. 05:43 AM - Re: EFIS/EMS (Belue, Kevin)
7. 05:49 AM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (Delamarter, Jon)
8. 06:00 AM - Re: EFIS/EMS (Rob Kermanj)
9. 06:01 AM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (Rick)
10. 06:17 AM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (Tim Olson)
11. 06:27 AM - Fuel tank leak (Rob Kermanj)
12. 07:12 AM - Re: EFIS/EMS (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 07:28 AM - Re: EFIS/EMS (Rick)
14. 07:54 AM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (Konrad L. Werner)
15. 09:12 AM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (John W. Cox)
16. 09:26 AM - Re: EFIS/EMS (Albert Gardner)
17. 09:30 AM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (Rick)
18. 09:43 AM - Re: RV 10 Motor Mount (Bill DeRouchey)
19. 09:51 AM - Re: EFIS/EMS (Rick)
20. 10:03 AM - Re: RV 10 Motor Mount (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
21. 10:28 AM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (John W. Cox)
22. 10:55 AM - Re: RV 10 Motor Mount (Bill DeRouchey)
23. 11:40 AM - Re: EFIS/EMS (Larry Rosen)
24. 11:56 AM - Thunderbolt Out (Delamarter, Jon)
25. 12:04 PM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (Rick)
26. 01:20 PM - Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
27. 02:04 PM - RV 10 Motor Mount Ground (Russell Daves)
28. 02:24 PM - Re: FeedBack QUIET RIDE SOLUTIONS (wcurtis@core.com)
29. 04:38 PM - Re: Front Floor Pan (bruce snyder)
30. 05:35 PM - Re: RV 10 Motor Mount Ground (Carl Froehlich)
31. 06:35 PM - Re: EFIS/EMS (Jesse Saint)
32. 07:00 PM - Re: Front Floor Pan (Chris , Susie Darcy)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
Oh no! I have the tunnel all plumbed except for the feed lines from the
wings to the selector valve. Wouldn't you know it-Murphy's Law. I'll call
tomorrow.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
Albert,
I'm planning the 3500; awaiting some more documentation on the website (next
three weeks I'm told). If you go with the full system you also need to plan
to stray from Van's recommended fuel routing in the tunnel. Call 'em up and
ask for Rob's insight on this until they get the info on the website.
Rob Wright
#392 Wings
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Albert,
Don't sweat the location too much. Rob and most of the guys that use
a Floscan type of transducer recommend that you put it in the engine
compartment between the engine pump and distribution servo to get the
most accurate reading. Airflow Performance also recommends this
location. Van's is worried that it is too harsh of an environment so
they recommend you put it in the tunnel but nobody that I have talked to
have had a problem with it in the engine compartment. Bottom line is it
works just fine in the tunnel if you want to leave it there.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert
Gardner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 2:09 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
Oh no! I have the tunnel all plumbed except for the feed lines from the
wings to the selector valve. Wouldn't you know it-Murphy's Law. I'll
call tomorrow.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
Albert,
I'm planning the 3500; awaiting some more documentation on the website
(next three weeks I'm told). If you go with the full system you also
need to plan to stray from Van's recommended fuel routing in the tunnel.
Call 'em up and ask for Rob's insight on this until they get the info on
the website.
Rob Wright
#392 Wings
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I can verify that tunnel mounting isn't a problem. Once I set my
calibration factor for the flow transducer, I can typically fly
a few hundred miles and fill the tanks and will fill within .1
or at most about .2 gallons difference, and if I wanted to work
the calibration up even closer I may even be able to perfect
on that.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
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> Don't sweat the location too much. Rob and most of the guys that use
> a Floscan type of transducer recommend that you put it in the engine
> compartment between the engine pump and distribution servo to get the
> most accurate reading. Airflow Performance also recommends this
> location. Van's is worried that it is too harsh of an environment so
> they recommend you put it in the tunnel but nobody that I have talked to
> have had a problem with it in the engine compartment. Bottom line is it
> works just fine in the tunnel if you want to leave it there.
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> Michael Sausen
> RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
> Do Not Archive
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert
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> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 2:09 AM
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
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> Oh no! I have the tunnel all plumbed except for the feed lines from the
> wings to the selector valve. Wouldn't you know it-Murphy's Law. I'll
> call tomorrow.
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
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> Albert,
> I'm planning the 3500; awaiting some more documentation on the website
> (next three weeks I'm told). If you go with the full system you also
> need to plan to stray from Van's recommended fuel routing in the tunnel.
> Call 'em up and ask for Rob's insight on this until they get the info on
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> Rob Wright
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
First of all, it might not be a bad idea to stick a vacuum hose down in
there the same way you put the insulation in, but it sounds like Van's might
have changed their policy on how they do the QB's. The front floor pans
might be ready to finish up. If the bolts are all in place, I would do
everything I could to not take them out again.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce snyder
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:47 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bruce snyder" <SNYDER888@peoplepc.com>
Tom,
I don't know about your QB fuselage but mine had the landing gear bracket
fully bolted in with no reason to pull it out (yes the two front outboard
nutplates were already installed). I did drill out enough of the rivets in
the front floor covers to pull it up by the corner and slide insulation
underneath. The two outboard most row of rivets (the few that were
installed) didn't need to be removed and I got insulation in under all the
front floor.
Bruce Snyder
QB fuselage #353
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Deutsch
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:54 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tom Deutsch" <deutscht@rhwhotels.com>
Is it possible to remove the front floor covers without removing the
weld mounts for the landing gear on a QB fuse? Tim Olson I noticed your
photos show you removed for insulation. Can you share how? Anyone else
have ideas?
Tom Deutsch
Office 913 451-1222
Fax 913 451-6493
Cell 913 908-7752
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Putting the transducer between the engine's pump and the fuel servo seems to
me to be a bad idea (replying to whoever mentioned it). In N256H, when we
kick on the boost pump, the fuel flow goes up a fair bit, which means that
it is possible that some fuel is being pumped overboard via the overflow on
the engine-mounted fuel pump. If this were the case, you would never know
about it if the transducer was mounted beyond this engine-mounted pump. Is
my thinking way off here?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:25 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I can verify that tunnel mounting isn't a problem. Once I set my
calibration factor for the flow transducer, I can typically fly
a few hundred miles and fill the tanks and will fill within .1
or at most about .2 gallons difference, and if I wanted to work
the calibration up even closer I may even be able to perfect
on that.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
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> Albert,
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> Don't sweat the location too much. Rob and most of the guys that use
> a Floscan type of transducer recommend that you put it in the engine
> compartment between the engine pump and distribution servo to get the
> most accurate reading. Airflow Performance also recommends this
> location. Van's is worried that it is too harsh of an environment so
> they recommend you put it in the tunnel but nobody that I have talked to
> have had a problem with it in the engine compartment. Bottom line is it
> works just fine in the tunnel if you want to leave it there.
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> Michael Sausen
> RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert
> Gardner
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 2:09 AM
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
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> Oh no! I have the tunnel all plumbed except for the feed lines from the
> wings to the selector valve. Wouldn't you know it-Murphy's Law. I'll
> call tomorrow.
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
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> Albert,
> I'm planning the 3500; awaiting some more documentation on the website
> (next three weeks I'm told). If you go with the full system you also
> need to plan to stray from Van's recommended fuel routing in the tunnel.
> Call 'em up and ask for Rob's insight on this until they get the info on
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Belue, Kevin" <KBelue@DRS-TEM.com>
I've seen the fuel flow go up by several gph on my RV-6A when I turn on the
boost pump, but there is no overflow when I look at the overflow tube (on
the ground, of course). I think the pulsation of the boost pump causes the
fuel flow sensor to read higher than normal.
Kevin D. Belue
RV-6A Flying
RV-10 working on doors
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Saint [mailto:jesse@itecusa.org]
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:20 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: EFIS/EMS
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
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> Putting the transducer between the engine's pump and the fuel servo
> seems to
> me to be a bad idea (replying to whoever mentioned it). In N256H, when
> we
> kick on the boost pump, the fuel flow goes up a fair bit, which means
> that
> it is possible that some fuel is being pumped overboard via the overflow
> on
> the engine-mounted fuel pump. If this were the case, you would never
> know
> about it if the transducer was mounted beyond this engine-mounted
> pump. Is
> my thinking way off here?
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> Do not archive.
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> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:25 AM
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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> I can verify that tunnel mounting isn't a problem. Once I set my
> calibration factor for the flow transducer, I can typically fly
> a few hundred miles and fill the tanks and will fill within .1
> or at most about .2 gallons difference, and if I wanted to work
> the calibration up even closer I may even be able to perfect
> on that.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
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> > Albert,
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> > Don't sweat the location too much. Rob and most of the guys that use
> > a Floscan type of transducer recommend that you put it in the engine
> > compartment between the engine pump and distribution servo to get
> the
> > most accurate reading. Airflow Performance also recommends this
> > location. Van's is worried that it is too harsh of an environment so
> > they recommend you put it in the tunnel but nobody that I have talked
> to
> > have had a problem with it in the engine compartment. Bottom line is
> it
> > works just fine in the tunnel if you want to leave it there.
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> > Michael Sausen
> > RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
> > Do Not Archive
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> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert
> > Gardner
> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 2:09 AM
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> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
> <ibspud@adelphia.net>
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> > Oh no! I have the tunnel all plumbed except for the feed lines from the
> > wings to the selector valve. Wouldn't you know it-Murphy's Law. I'll
> > call tomorrow.
> > Albert Gardner
> > Yuma, AZ
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> > Albert,
> > I'm planning the 3500; awaiting some more documentation on the
> website
> > (next three weeks I'm told). If you go with the full system you also
> > need to plan to stray from Van's recommended fuel routing in the
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Delamarter, Jon" <JDelamarter@lycoming.textron.com>
Ok guys, I knew I'd take my licks from some of you. The fact remains that
I'm one of you and here to help you if I can, regardless of whether or not
you ever buy a Lycoming. To the guy who busted my chops for not declaring
myself to be a pilot, please note the first paragraph of my initial post.
The only reason I'm not a pilot is because I filled out the application for
my medical honestly. Uncle Sam didn't like it when I checked the box for
"Frequent Headaches." I'm not done, though. I am going to make another
attempt for my medical in a few months. To those of you who posted words of
encouragement, thank you.
Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Lycoming Engines
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
I have also been told that the Flowscan may not share ground wiith the
fuel pump or be grounded to aircraft structure. This was given to me
as the reason for high fuel count when fuel pump is on.
Rob.
On 6/23/06, Belue, Kevin <KBelue@drs-tem.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Belue, Kevin" <KBelue@DRS-TEM.com>
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> I've seen the fuel flow go up by several gph on my RV-6A when I turn on the
> boost pump, but there is no overflow when I look at the overflow tube (on
> the ground, of course). I think the pulsation of the boost pump causes the
> fuel flow sensor to read higher than normal.
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> Kevin D. Belue
> RV-6A Flying
> RV-10 working on doors
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jesse Saint [mailto:jesse@itecusa.org]
> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:20 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: EFIS/EMS
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> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
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> > Putting the transducer between the engine's pump and the fuel servo
> > seems to
> > me to be a bad idea (replying to whoever mentioned it). In N256H, when
> > we
> > kick on the boost pump, the fuel flow goes up a fair bit, which means
> > that
> > it is possible that some fuel is being pumped overboard via the overflow
> > on
> > the engine-mounted fuel pump. If this were the case, you would never
> > know
> > about it if the transducer was mounted beyond this engine-mounted
> > pump. Is
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> > Jesse Saint
> > I-TEC, Inc.
> > jesse@itecusa.org
> > www.itecusa.org
> > W: 352-465-4545
> > C: 352-427-0285
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> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:25 AM
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> > --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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> > I can verify that tunnel mounting isn't a problem. Once I set my
> > calibration factor for the flow transducer, I can typically fly
> > a few hundred miles and fill the tanks and will fill within .1
> > or at most about .2 gallons difference, and if I wanted to work
> > the calibration up even closer I may even be able to perfect
> > on that.
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> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
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> > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
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> > > Don't sweat the location too much. Rob and most of the guys that use
> > > a Floscan type of transducer recommend that you put it in the engine
> > > compartment between the engine pump and distribution servo to get
> > the
> > > most accurate reading. Airflow Performance also recommends this
> > > location. Van's is worried that it is too harsh of an environment so
> > > they recommend you put it in the tunnel but nobody that I have talked
> > to
> > > have had a problem with it in the engine compartment. Bottom line is
> > it
> > > works just fine in the tunnel if you want to leave it there.
> > >
> > > Michael Sausen
> > > RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
> > > Do Not Archive
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert
> > > Gardner
> > > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 2:09 AM
> > >
> > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
> > <ibspud@adelphia.net>
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> > > Oh no! I have the tunnel all plumbed except for the feed lines from the
> > > wings to the selector valve. Wouldn't you know it-Murphy's Law. I'll
> > > call tomorrow.
> > > Albert Gardner
> > > Yuma, AZ
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> > > Albert,
> > > I'm planning the 3500; awaiting some more documentation on the
> > website
> > > (next three weeks I'm told). If you go with the full system you also
> > > need to plan to stray from Van's recommended fuel routing in the
> > tunnel.
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Jon,
You survived the test and snatched the pebble from the hand of the group. Now,
when can we expect you to order your RV-10 tail kit? :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Don't sweat it. While people don't like constant advertising,
and the whole Lyc. Crankshaft issue is kind of a negative,
one thing that is very appreciated by most people is a vendor
who's online, interested, and willing to help. If your
product is good, and your pricing is good, there's no reason
why your business can't be another valid participant in the
engine market....we can use all the supply we can get in
the IO-540 realm, just to keep the costs from becoming too
outrageous. Supply and demand....we're starting to get
the pinch from too much demand, too little supply.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Delamarter, Jon wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Delamarter, Jon" <JDelamarter@lycoming.textron.com>
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> Ok guys, I knew I'd take my licks from some of you. The fact remains that
> I'm one of you and here to help you if I can, regardless of whether or not
> you ever buy a Lycoming. To the guy who busted my chops for not declaring
> myself to be a pilot, please note the first paragraph of my initial post.
> The only reason I'm not a pilot is because I filled out the application for
> my medical honestly. Uncle Sam didn't like it when I checked the box for
> "Frequent Headaches." I'm not done, though. I am going to make another
> attempt for my medical in a few months. To those of you who posted words of
> encouragement, thank you.
>
> Jon A. Delamarter
> Thunderbolt Manager
> Lycoming Engines
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj" <flysrv10@gmail.com>
Guss at Van's gave me a neat and easy way to repair a fuel leak in my tank.
My QB tank leaked at one of the rivets a few inches from the fuel
filler cap. A few drops of Locktite 290 on top of the rivet, along
with a VERY SLIGHT vacuum from the overflow tube has cured the leak
(the fuel tank can collaps with very litle vacuum). Loctite 290 cures
in an environment without oxygen so don't expect the drop on top of
the rivet, exposed to air, to will be cured the next day.
I thought this info might help if you have a similar leak.
Read the Loctite 290 Data Sheet before you use the stuff.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Hmm, I don't know but I don't think it should be pumping overboard for
any reason. But you are correct, the farther upstream the sender is the
less likely you will see a leak or from the tank side. I went with an
optical low fuel lever sensor in addition to the fuel gauges for leak
detection. The main reason they recommend the sensor to be put after
the pumps is because you really don't want any restrictions if at all
possible on the suction side of the pump as it can cause vapor lock or
pump cavitations because of the sudden drop in pressure/volume.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:20 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Putting the transducer between the engine's pump and the fuel servo
seems to me to be a bad idea (replying to whoever mentioned it). In
N256H, when we kick on the boost pump, the fuel flow goes up a fair bit,
which means that it is possible that some fuel is being pumped overboard
via the overflow on the engine-mounted fuel pump. If this were the
case, you would never know about it if the transducer was mounted beyond
this engine-mounted pump. Is my thinking way off here?
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:25 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I can verify that tunnel mounting isn't a problem. Once I set my
calibration factor for the flow transducer, I can typically fly a few
hundred miles and fill the tanks and will fill within .1 or at most
about .2 gallons difference, and if I wanted to work the calibration up
even closer I may even be able to perfect on that.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
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> Albert,
>
> Don't sweat the location too much. Rob and most of the guys that
> use a Floscan type of transducer recommend that you put it in the
> engine compartment between the engine pump and distribution servo to
> get the most accurate reading. Airflow Performance also recommends
> this location. Van's is worried that it is too harsh of an
> environment so they recommend you put it in the tunnel but nobody that
> I have talked to have had a problem with it in the engine compartment.
> Bottom line is it works just fine in the tunnel if you want to leave
it there.
>
> Michael Sausen
> RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
> Do Not Archive
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> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert
> Gardner
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 2:09 AM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
> --> <ibspud@adelphia.net>
>
> Oh no! I have the tunnel all plumbed except for the feed lines from
> the wings to the selector valve. Wouldn't you know it-Murphy's Law.
> I'll call tomorrow.
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Albert,
> I'm planning the 3500; awaiting some more documentation on the website
> (next three weeks I'm told). If you go with the full system you also
> need to plan to stray from Van's recommended fuel routing in the
tunnel.
> Call 'em up and ask for Rob's insight on this until they get the info
> on the website.
> Rob Wright
> #392 Wings
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
I ordered the 3500 system, Rob sold me the tranducer right (very impressed by the
workmanship but not a Floscan) away so I could complete the plumbing and wiring.
For those planning on this system, it does NOT mount in the floscan hole
configuration. The mountng holes are on the right side of the unit inline with
the datum, not 45 degrees from each other. So, if you used Van's mount for the
floscan you will need to drill it off the floor and modify it for the ACS transducer.
No big deal though took about an hour and a half to remove, modify
and reattach.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
To Jon,
I would like to get some insider information on when Lycoming is
starting to promote this new line of engines with a 50%OFF introductory
rate?
I do have my bank on speed dial and can have the money wired within
about 5 minutes notice (but only during bank business hours of course).
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Jon,
You survived the test and snatched the pebble from the hand of the
group. Now, when can we expect you to order your RV-10 tail kit? :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Jon, as one of the ole codgers, I am not going to apologize for my
earlier post. The mass mailing to the entire Matronics list was not as
personalized as I think you should have been to address the unique needs
of the RV-10 group, "Out of the Shoot". I discarded my eight other
repeat posts already. The RV-10 group is now the single largest economic
segment in all of world of experimental building. Thank Thunderbolt for
endorsing that clout.
However, that said ... Welcome aboard the RV-10 site. Don't make the
mistake of Jim Ayers with slamming the competition, vague innuendo or
bold non specific marketing claims. Give us the Beef right out of the
blocks - straight up. Aerosport and Barrett are doing a great job for
Lycoming on the products they deliver. #1 Identify to what gram weight
you balance each engine component. The factory Lycoming offerings leave
lots of room for improvement. #2 Identify the exact warrantee for each
of the three offerings. #3 Hit us with the exact technological
improvements under development and it will go a long way. #4 Give us a
way to get a unique price quote. #5 What about a FADEC system?
Sean Tucker speaks very highly of Lycoming and the job they did when his
crank hub separated in aerobatic flight. Clarify what constitutes a
"Competition Pilot" as to both experience and marketing clout for
Thunderbolt for the unique product for Lycoming/Thunderbolt.
I have always been a strong Lycoming advocate but feel to date, Barrett
has done the best job in my opinion of giving us the info "Straight Up".
I will look forward to seeing you at both Arlington in two weeks and
Oshkosh. I will take my licks "Eye to Eye". These are exciting times.
Good luck with your Medical. As Sean Tucker said to a question I posed
to my aviation group, "You know John, Those of us who choose to fly
professionally have one doctor who does the required Aviation Medical
and another who we bear our soles to and gets us through each day". To
that comment the four AMEs in the audience rioted. Learn the system.
Good luck when you begin the build process. I am actually thrilled you
are with us at this location. Your direct comments to the RV-10 group
will be appreciated.
John Cox - $00.02
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Delamarter,
Jon
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:58 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Delamarter, Jon"
<JDelamarter@lycoming.textron.com>
Ok guys, I knew I'd take my licks from some of you. The fact remains
that
I'm one of you and here to help you if I can, regardless of whether or
not
you ever buy a Lycoming. To those of you who posted words of
encouragement, thank you.
Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Lycoming Engines
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
Can the 3500 use the Floscan transducer or do you need a different one?
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
I ordered the 3500 system, Rob sold me the transducer right (very impressed
by the workmanship but not a Floscan) away so I could complete the plumbing
and wiring. For those planning on this system, it does NOT mount in the
floscan hole configuration. The mounting holes are on the right side of the
unit inline with the datum, not 45 degrees from each other. So, if you used
Van's mount for the floscan you will need to drill it off the floor and
modify it for the ACS transducer. No big deal though took about an hour and
a half to remove, modify and reattach.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
John,
WhatsamattaU? Getting soft in your "Old Codger" years? :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: RV 10 Motor Mount |
I am a reasonable TIG welder and am always fighting warpage. Even with jigs the
weldment will have internal stress that pulls something some way or another.
My mount was slightly pretzelled but pulled down nicely when under load from
the bolts. Once the mount is under stress from the firewall bolts and the engine
weight do not remove any of the firewall bolts as the mount will move. If you
are going to use the firewall bolts to terminate an engine ground make sure
the ground wire is already attached to the firewall before you hang the engine.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
Fly in July
Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj"
Mine was not perfect. It has been a while and I cannot compare my
mount with yours directly. It took a little wrestling to get it to
fit. And yes....it does not sit perfectly flush, it is an acceptable
fit.
On 6/19/06, ddddsp1@juno.com
wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "ddddsp1@juno.com"
>
> Just curious if anyone has had any trouble lining up the Motor Mount holes with
the fuse firewall. After measuring the firewall holes and then the mount they
do not appear to be close on the top holes at all. Plus the mount brackets
do not sit FLUSH to the firewall and one is 1/8 inch from touching the firewall.
Hope this is not normal...........I can accept fiberglass being off some but
this seems too important to fudge.
> Thanks,
> Dean
> 40449
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Not sure Al,
I'd give Rob a call especially if you already have the Floscan onhand. Day ain't
cheap, neither of them.
I just figured I would use ACS's since it's their system, I'd use their transducer.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | RV 10 Motor Mount |
What's the favorite spot folks are using for an electrical ground up
front?
TDT
________________________________
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
DeRouchey
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:43 PM
I am a reasonable TIG welder and am always fighting warpage. Even with
jigs the weldment will have internal stress that pulls something some
way or another.
My mount was slightly pretzelled but pulled down nicely when under load
from the bolts. Once the mount is under stress from the firewall bolts
and the engine weight do not remove any of the firewall bolts as the
mount will move. If you are going to use the firewall bolts to terminate
an engine ground make sure the ground wire is already attached to the
firewall before you hang the engine.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
Fly in July
Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj"
Mine was not perfect. It has been a while and I cannot compare
my
mount with yours directly. It took a little wrestling to get it
to
fit. And yes....it does not sit perfectly flush, it is an
acceptable
fit.
On 6/19/06, ddddsp1@juno.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "ddddsp1@juno.com"
>
> Just curious if anyone has had any trouble lining up the Motor
Mount holes with the fuse firewall. After measuring the firewall holes
and then the mount they do not appear to be close on the top holes at
all. Plus the mount brackets do not sit FLUSH to the firewall and one is
1/8 inch from touching the firewall. Hope this is not normal...........I
can accept fiberglass being off some but this seems too important to
fudge.
> Thanks,
> Dean
> 40449
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
> Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only
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| Subject: | Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
No I think Jon will be a valued asset to the group and don't want him
measuring the rest of you with my post. I will hold the line for
everyone when it comes to marketing. I want to see all builders
knowledgeable, safe, well informed and flying every tomorrow "Cause
today is already here". Lost my dad to cancer on Monday... it had
nothing to do with the ole codger post.
Most RV-10 builders are not in the least aware of what happened to all
the Lancair builders three and four years ago. Scores (like more than
60) of the kit builders were left in the endless insurance loop when a
rash of fatalities hit. Oh by the way, all the training in the world,
the efforts of Joe Bartel's and Pete Z.'s efforts have not abated the
number of continuing fatalities and claim settlements. Underwriters are
tougher than I am. They lumped all Lancairs builders/ pilots into a
high risk category because of the few. Insurance rates soared, many
dropped projects midstream, most could not get reasonable insurance for
several years. Couple that with Avgas pricing and the stupidity of
trying MOGAS in a Lycoming/Thunderbolt and you may sense my pain. And
this ole war wary Sergeant Major sees is a lot of green recruits going
into the fray blindsided just like before. I feel like James Cain or
John Wayne.
John - KUAO
Semper Paratus
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:30 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
John,
WhatsamattaU? Getting soft in your "Old Codger" years? :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | RV 10 Motor Mount |
I have a geared starter, which will use less current than a direct drive design,
and installed #2 wire. For the ground wire I was interested in wire flexibility
and lug size for the short run. Ended up installing two #4 wires from the
left/right aft end of the engine to the two inside bottom firewall bolts. Purchased
bolts one size longer to accomodate the wire end lug. Very happy with results.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
Fly in July
Tim Dawson-Townsend <Tdawson@avidyne.com> wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Whats the favorite spot
folks are using for an electrical ground up front?
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:43 PM
I am a reasonable TIG welder and am always fighting warpage. Even with jigs
the weldment will have internal stress that pulls something some way or another.
My mount was slightly pretzelled but pulled down nicely when under load from
the bolts. Once the mount is under stress from the firewall bolts and the engine
weight do not remove any of the firewall bolts as the mount will move. If
you are going to use the firewall bolts to terminate an engine ground make sure
the ground wire is already attached to the firewall before you hang the engine.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
Fly in July
Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj"
Mine was not perfect. It has been a while and I cannot compare my
mount with yours directly. It took a little wrestling to get it to
fit. And yes....it does not sit perfectly flush, it is an acceptable
fit.
On 6/19/06, ddddsp1@juno.com
wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "ddddsp1@juno.com"
>
> Just curious if anyone has had any trouble lining up the Motor Mount holes with
the fuse firewall. After measuring the firewall holes and then the mount they
do not appear to be close on the top holes at all. Plus the mount brackets
do not sit FLUSH to the firewall and one is 1/8 inch from touching the firewall.
Hope this is not normal...........I can accept fiberglass being off some but
this seems too important to fudge.
> Thanks,
> Dean
> 40449
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen@comcast.net>
When I was considering the 3500 I asked rob if the Floscan transducer
would work, since it was already installed, and he said it was
compatible with his all his units.
Larry Rosen
#356
Albert Gardner wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
>
> Can the 3500 use the Floscan transducer or do you need a different one?
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> I ordered the 3500 system, Rob sold me the transducer right (very impressed
> by the workmanship but not a Floscan) away so I could complete the plumbing
> and wiring. For those planning on this system, it does NOT mount in the
> floscan hole configuration. The mounting holes are on the right side of the
> unit inline with the datum, not 45 degrees from each other. So, if you used
> Van's mount for the floscan you will need to drill it off the floor and
> modify it for the ACS transducer. No big deal though took about an hour and
> a half to remove, modify and reattach.
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Delamarter, Jon" <JDelamarter@lycoming.textron.com>
Okay guys, its' been fun. I've enjoyed the pokes and encouragement this
week. Now I'll have to sign off until next week. I have to go back home to
NC to check on my house. No, I don't have a vacation home. I'm still
trying to sell my home in NC following my move to PA.
I will attempt to respond to your additional questions next week.
Best Regards,
Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Lycoming Engines
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| Subject: | Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Lol...OK Sergeant Major, I just like how you keep us honest and informed. I think
of you every time I see my bonafide, tried and true, close tolerance wing bolts
holding my spacers in place between the spars instead of some sloppy fitting
Lowes hardware bolt.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Lycoming Thunderbolt Engines |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
I agree with John's comments below and would like clarification on
another thing. Do you speak on behalf of Lycoming or as just an engine
builder same as the other six? If you say something about a Lycoming
engine or practice, will Lycoming back it up whether or not you sold the
engine? Many people are getting the impression you are a Lycoming rep
and I think that may be a bit of an over reach. Please clarify.
Based on some of your marketing material, along with the "competition"
engine restrictions, I have a feeling Textron's lawyers are watching
this endeavor very closely. Too bad they don't put those kind of
resources into improving the capabilities of a 60 year old engine design
rather than trying to cut in on the profit that their building partners
are making.
Not trying to bust your coconuts but whether or not you are backed by
Lycoming, Thunderbolt has a whole lot to prove and should not expect to
walk into the marketplace by throwing around that you ARE the engine
manufacturer. Right now I know the word of at least 4 of the other
shops are as good as gold and all I see is an off shoot of a Textron
company that hasn't had the best customer service and reliability
history.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against your participation here. I busted
Jim Ayers in the past for pumping the list for orders without any
substance and yet I will probably get my prop from him because he
straightened up and toned down the marketing BS. Many of the respected
players in the marketplace are at least monitoring this list, if not
active in it, but they will rarely toot their horn until requested. So
now that you have introduced yourself, let's see what you got.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:11 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Jon, as one of the ole codgers, I am not going to apologize for my
earlier post. The mass mailing to the entire Matronics list was not as
personalized as I think you should have been to address the unique needs
of the RV-10 group, "Out of the Shoot". I discarded my eight other
repeat posts already. The RV-10 group is now the single largest economic
segment in all of world of experimental building. Thank Thunderbolt for
endorsing that clout.
However, that said ... Welcome aboard the RV-10 site. Don't make the
mistake of Jim Ayers with slamming the competition, vague innuendo or
bold non specific marketing claims. Give us the Beef right out of the
blocks - straight up. Aerosport and Barrett are doing a great job for
Lycoming on the products they deliver. #1 Identify to what gram weight
you balance each engine component. The factory Lycoming offerings leave
lots of room for improvement. #2 Identify the exact warrantee for each
of the three offerings. #3 Hit us with the exact technological
improvements under development and it will go a long way. #4 Give us a
way to get a unique price quote. #5 What about a FADEC system?
Sean Tucker speaks very highly of Lycoming and the job they did when his
crank hub separated in aerobatic flight. Clarify what constitutes a
"Competition Pilot" as to both experience and marketing clout for
Thunderbolt for the unique product for Lycoming/Thunderbolt.
I have always been a strong Lycoming advocate but feel to date, Barrett
has done the best job in my opinion of giving us the info "Straight Up".
I will look forward to seeing you at both Arlington in two weeks and
Oshkosh. I will take my licks "Eye to Eye". These are exciting times.
Good luck with your Medical. As Sean Tucker said to a question I posed
to my aviation group, "You know John, Those of us who choose to fly
professionally have one doctor who does the required Aviation Medical
and another who we bear our soles to and gets us through each day". To
that comment the four AMEs in the audience rioted. Learn the system.
Good luck when you begin the build process. I am actually thrilled you
are with us at this location. Your direct comments to the RV-10 group
will be appreciated.
John Cox - $00.02
Do not Archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Delamarter,
Jon
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:58 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Delamarter, Jon"
<JDelamarter@lycoming.textron.com>
Ok guys, I knew I'd take my licks from some of you. The fact remains
that I'm one of you and here to help you if I can, regardless of whether
or not
you ever buy a Lycoming. To those of you who posted words of
encouragement, thank you.
Jon A. Delamarter
Thunderbolt Manager
Lycoming Engines
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| Subject: | RV 10 Motor Mount Ground |
I used the top left motor mount bolt as the ground on the firewall to
the engine.
Russ Daves
N710RV - Due to fly within the month.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV 10 Motor Mount
What's the favorite spot folks are using for an electrical ground up
front?
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
DeRouchey
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:43 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV 10 Motor Mount
I am a reasonable TIG welder and am always fighting warpage. Even with
jigs the weldment will have internal stress that pulls something some
way or another.
My mount was slightly pretzelled but pulled down nicely when under
load from the bolts. Once the mount is under stress from the firewall
bolts and the engine weight do not remove any of the firewall bolts as
the mount will move. If you are going to use the firewall bolts to
terminate an engine ground make sure the ground wire is already attached
to the firewall before you hang the engine.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
Fly in July
Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj"
Mine was not perfect. It has been a while and I cannot compare my
mount with yours directly. It took a little wrestling to get it to
fit. And yes....it does not sit perfectly flush, it is an acceptable
fit.
On 6/19/06, ddddsp1@juno.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "ddddsp1@juno.com"
>
> Just curious if anyone has had any trouble lining up the Motor
Mount holes with the fuse firewall. After measuring the firewall holes
and then the mount they do not appear to be close on the top holes at
all. Plus the mount brackets do not sit FLUSH to the firewall and one is
1/8 inch from touching the firewall. Hope this is not normal...........I
can accept fiberglass being off some but this seems too important to
fudge.
> Thanks,
> Dean
> 40449
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: FeedBack QUIET RIDE SOLUTIONS |
Soundex Products <http://www.soundexproducts.com/order.html> also has a soundproofing kit for the RV-10. It is a bit pricey at $820 however.
William Curtis
http://nerv10.com/
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "bruce snyder" <SNYDER888@peoplepc.com>
I did pull the floor pans back (just didn't take them out). I got a shop
vac up the whole way to the firewall to suck everything out. My firewall
was already prosealed along the entire bottom of the firewall. I could
reach everything that wasn't prosealed without touching the floor pan. I
got two clecoes, a half a dozen rivets and some nutplates out of other areas
of my QB fuselage.
Bruce
QB Fuselage #40353
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
Darcy
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:02 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Bruce I would take the floor pans out as I found a lot of shavings and a
cleko in there....also you need to seal the firewall and you get a better
seal from the back.
Just a thought
Chris
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:46 PM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bruce snyder" <SNYDER888@peoplepc.com>
>
> Tom,
>
> I don't know about your QB fuselage but mine had the landing gear bracket
> fully bolted in with no reason to pull it out (yes the two front outboard
> nutplates were already installed). I did drill out enough of the rivets
> in
> the front floor covers to pull it up by the corner and slide insulation
> underneath. The two outboard most row of rivets (the few that were
> installed) didn't need to be removed and I got insulation in under all the
> front floor.
>
> Bruce Snyder
> QB fuselage #353
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Deutsch
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:54 AM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tom Deutsch" <deutscht@rhwhotels.com>
>
> Is it possible to remove the front floor covers without removing the
> weld mounts for the landing gear on a QB fuse? Tim Olson I noticed your
> photos show you removed for insulation. Can you share how? Anyone else
> have ideas?
>
>
> Tom Deutsch
>
>
> Office 913 451-1222
>
> Fax 913 451-6493
>
> Cell 913 908-7752
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV 10 Motor Mount Ground |
The ground lug on the starter. This is the highest current draw - thus gets
the best ground connection. Use the same wire size that you run +12V to the
starter. Terminate on a common ground lug on the firewall, grounding the
battery(s) on the cabin side.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (260 hrs)
RV-10 (tail cone)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Russell Daves
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:02 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: RV 10 Motor Mount Ground
I used the top left motor mount bolt as the ground on the firewall to the
engine.
Russ Daves
N710RV - Due to fly within the month.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Dawson-Townsend
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV 10 Motor Mount
Whats the favorite spot folks are using for an electrical ground up
front?
TDT
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:43 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV 10 Motor Mount
I am a reasonable TIG welder and am always fighting warpage. Even with
jigs the weldment will have internal stress that pulls something some way or
another.
My mount was slightly pretzelled but pulled down nicely when under load
from the bolts. Once the mount is under stress from the firewall bolts and
the engine weight do not remove any of the firewall bolts as the mount will
move. If you are going to use the firewall bolts to terminate an engine
ground make sure the ground wire is already attached to the firewall before
you hang the engine.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB
Fly in July
Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rob Kermanj"
Mine was not perfect. It has been a while and I cannot compare my
mount with yours directly. It took a little wrestling to get it to
fit. And yes....it does not sit perfectly flush, it is an acceptable
fit.
On 6/19/06, ddddsp1@juno.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "ddddsp1@juno.com"
>
> Just curious if anyone has had any trouble lining up the Motor Mount
holes with the fuse firewall. After measuring the firewall holes and then
the mount they do not appear to be close on the top holes at all. Plus the
mount brackets do not sit FLUSH to the firewall and one is 1/8 inch from
touching the firewall. Hope this is not normal...........I can accept
fiberglass being off some but this seems too important to fudge.
> Thanks,
> Dean
> 40449
>
>
>
>
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> Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Have you ever compared fuel burn indicated with amount needed to refill in
cases like this? I know the boost pump is not used a whole lot, but if it
truly is overflowing fuel, then that is a waste. Also, if the engine is
running, you won't see the overflow, probably, as it will be in the airflow
out the cowl and with the exhaust.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Belue, Kevin
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:42 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Belue, Kevin" <KBelue@DRS-TEM.com>
I've seen the fuel flow go up by several gph on my RV-6A when I turn on the
boost pump, but there is no overflow when I look at the overflow tube (on
the ground, of course). I think the pulsation of the boost pump causes the
fuel flow sensor to read higher than normal.
Kevin D. Belue
RV-6A Flying
RV-10 working on doors
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Saint [mailto:jesse@itecusa.org]
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:20 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: EFIS/EMS
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> Putting the transducer between the engine's pump and the fuel servo
> seems to
> me to be a bad idea (replying to whoever mentioned it). In N256H, when
> we
> kick on the boost pump, the fuel flow goes up a fair bit, which means
> that
> it is possible that some fuel is being pumped overboard via the overflow
> on
> the engine-mounted fuel pump. If this were the case, you would never
> know
> about it if the transducer was mounted beyond this engine-mounted
> pump. Is
> my thinking way off here?
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:25 AM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> I can verify that tunnel mounting isn't a problem. Once I set my
> calibration factor for the flow transducer, I can typically fly
> a few hundred miles and fill the tanks and will fill within .1
> or at most about .2 gallons difference, and if I wanted to work
> the calibration up even closer I may even be able to perfect
> on that.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> >
> > Albert,
> >
> > Don't sweat the location too much. Rob and most of the guys that use
> > a Floscan type of transducer recommend that you put it in the engine
> > compartment between the engine pump and distribution servo to get
> the
> > most accurate reading. Airflow Performance also recommends this
> > location. Van's is worried that it is too harsh of an environment so
> > they recommend you put it in the tunnel but nobody that I have talked
> to
> > have had a problem with it in the engine compartment. Bottom line is
> it
> > works just fine in the tunnel if you want to leave it there.
> >
> > Michael Sausen
> > RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
> > Do Not Archive
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert
> > Gardner
> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 2:09 AM
> >
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"
> <ibspud@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Oh no! I have the tunnel all plumbed except for the feed lines from the
> > wings to the selector valve. Wouldn't you know it-Murphy's Law. I'll
> > call tomorrow.
> > Albert Gardner
> > Yuma, AZ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Albert,
> > I'm planning the 3500; awaiting some more documentation on the
> website
> > (next three weeks I'm told). If you go with the full system you also
> > need to plan to stray from Van's recommended fuel routing in the
> tunnel.
> > Call 'em up and ask for Rob's insight on this until they get the info on
> > the website.
> > Rob Wright
> > #392 Wings
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Excelent
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:34 AM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bruce snyder" <SNYDER888@peoplepc.com>
>
> I did pull the floor pans back (just didn't take them out). I got a shop
> vac up the whole way to the firewall to suck everything out. My firewall
> was already prosealed along the entire bottom of the firewall. I could
> reach everything that wasn't prosealed without touching the floor pan. I
> got two clecoes, a half a dozen rivets and some nutplates out of other
> areas
> of my QB fuselage.
>
> Bruce
> QB Fuselage #40353
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
> Darcy
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 11:02 PM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy"
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Bruce I would take the floor pans out as I found a lot of shavings and a
> cleko in there....also you need to seal the firewall and you get a better
> seal from the back.
>
> Just a thought
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:46 PM
>
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bruce snyder" <SNYDER888@peoplepc.com>
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I don't know about your QB fuselage but mine had the landing gear bracket
>> fully bolted in with no reason to pull it out (yes the two front outboard
>> nutplates were already installed). I did drill out enough of the rivets
>> in
>> the front floor covers to pull it up by the corner and slide insulation
>> underneath. The two outboard most row of rivets (the few that were
>> installed) didn't need to be removed and I got insulation in under all
>> the
>> front floor.
>>
>> Bruce Snyder
>> QB fuselage #353
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Deutsch
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:54 AM
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tom Deutsch" <deutscht@rhwhotels.com>
>>
>> Is it possible to remove the front floor covers without removing the
>> weld mounts for the landing gear on a QB fuse? Tim Olson I noticed your
>> photos show you removed for insulation. Can you share how? Anyone else
>> have ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Deutsch
>>
>>
>>
>> Office 913 451-1222
>>
>> Fax 913 451-6493
>>
>> Cell 913 908-7752
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