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1. 06:43 AM - Re: RYO Center console - Responses (Deems Davis)
2. 06:57 AM - OSH Kids List (Tim Olson)
3. 07:54 AM - RV-10 database (John W. Cox)
4. 08:58 AM - Heat Vent (Albert Gardner)
5. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Hot Tunnel suggestion (Mark Chamberlain)
6. 04:50 PM - Re: RYO Center console - Responses (John Hasbrouck)
7. 05:40 PM - Re: Quick Build Wings Bottom skin (John Mcmahon)
8. 06:03 PM - Re: RYO Center console - Responses (Deems Davis)
9. 07:15 PM - Re: The OSH list (Bill and Tami Britton)
10. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: Hot Tunnel suggestion (Jesse Saint)
11. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: Hot Tunnel suggestion (Tim Olson)
12. 07:59 PM - Re: RYO Center console - Responses (John Hasbrouck)
13. 08:02 PM - Re: Quick Build Wings Bottom skin (Marcus Cooper)
14. 08:07 PM - Re: Quick Build Wings Bottom skin (John Hasbrouck)
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| Subject: | Re: RYO Center console - Responses |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Thanks to all for the kind words.
I'm really not interested in another career or job, (I finally got to
the point I could retire, and I'm having too much fun building an
airplane!). My purpose in posting the info was to encourage anybody that
was inclined to do some RYO (Roll Your Own) composite work to go ahead
and do it. (I'm now thinking about some cockpit/canopy panels and a
rear seat console). I'd be happy to talk to anybody who's so inclined
off line and let them know what I learned and what I'd do differently.
I did send a note to Aerotronics who makes the instrument panel, who
asked me to keep them abreast of my progress mounting their panel
(Aerotronic cost = $600) and asked them if they had any interest in
pulling a mold off of it. We'll see if they have any interest. I saw a
picture of the panel on Henkejan's Kitlog website. Apparently he saw it
@ SNF. Since the console is built to match their panel, I doubt it has
much utility with any other panel. They are marketing the panel to RV-10
owners HOWEVER, the panel was originally built for Lancair IV's and it
required some noodeling to install it in a -10 as it's NOT a perfect
fit. They are very upfront about this when you talk to them.
I built the panel using 8 plys of 6 oz cloth. in hind sight that's
probably too much, it looks like the panel was built with 5-6 plys. I
didn't make the patterns undersize, I used the fwd fuse tunnel cap as a
base and built the foam plugs directly on them using some bondo to hold
them in place temporarily, that way the glass can be drilled so that it
matches the screw/nutplates that hold the cap on the tunnel when the
foam is removed. The foam I used as Last-A-Foam from ACS and doesn't
dissolve in acetone (I sent a note to Last a Foam to see if there was
something that would dissolve it, but got no reply). Disolvable rigid
foam would have been a big help
I still have 1 3/4 - 2 inchs of room from the top of the untrimmed stick
in the full forward position to the bottom edge of the panel. I
understand that you need to cut the control stick to mount the grips, so
I'm thinking I should be OK.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
At the suggestion of one of the guys on the OSH list (thanks Dave),
I did add a column for listing the kids you may be bringing to OSH.
Like mine (5F, 7F) so you know there are 2 girls there and the
ages.
It would be very cool if we could make this enjoyable for
our families as much as for ourselves, so if adding this to our
list allows us to get our kids to develop friendships with other
-10 builders kids, it seems like a great idea. Who knows, maybe
Dave's boy will end up married to one of my girls some day. ;)
(Dave, he better be nice. ;) )
At any rate, if you're bringing kids and they may be interested
in hanging out with some other kids, just shoot me the info
to add to the list. You don't have to fill in the whole form
again, just an off-list email will be great.
Tim
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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Currently I have 343 of the worldwide 604 RV-10 builders listed. It
would sure be nice if more of the lurkers would update on Tim's site for
OSH (either in the Positive or the negative).
John Cox
#40600
#70454
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Current experience in my RV-9A indicated that my wife and I require
different amounts of heat so I made a sliding cover for the heat vent
that
could be installed on either side. The sliding cover, at this point, is
much
longer than necessary as I'm thinking about how I want to control it.
All
the parts are made from .032" so the slide fits snugly and should not
move
due to vibration, etc. I'm thinking that once it's set, it may not have
to
ever be readjusted so perhaps I'll just shorten the slide and adjust it
manually.
Albert Gardner
40-422
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Hot Tunnel suggestion |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
Hey guys, just back in town after a week long trip and am catching up on the
tunnel heat issue. I have been actively addressing the issuue myself as it
is warming up down here in SoCal. I think the ideas regarding the heat boxes
on the firewall are all good ones, but I'm starting from the inside. If I
recall correctly, the folks with the Vetterman (two exhaust pipes) have a
little more heat issue than those of us with the other style ( one pipe).
Judging by the discolored metal of my unpainted belly (90 hrs flying)
directly aft of the lower cowl, I'm banking that a lot of this heat is
radiating up through the tunnel from below. It seems it would only be worse
for the guys with two pipes protruding out the bottom. I actually believe
that it is all of the engine compt. heat venting out that big hole
underneath as well as the exhaust. In addition, if the vents were leaking
badly (I still believe this is part of the problem) wouldn't you be feeling
heat coming out of the openings in the cabin....I don't in mine. Bottom
line, I have insulated the firewall and floor in the tunnel all the way to
the back seats and also firesleeved my tunnel fuel lines to try to insulate
them a bit ( Having a little bit of a fuel vapor problem and pump cavitation
at idle). I hope to fly in the next few days. If I don't see an improvement
then I will be disconnecting the scats to the heat vents and routing them
overboard for a flight to see if that helps. Maybe they should just be
disconnected in the Summer time!!! Mark
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| Subject: | Re: RYO Center console - Responses |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Deems,
That's sweet! How much does that bad boy weigh?
John Hasbrouck
#40264
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Quick Build Wings Bottom skin |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Mcmahon" <rv6@earthlink.net>
To those that have completed the quick build wings,in which order did you
rivet the bottom skin on??? Did you start in the middle,or on what end??
Thanks
John McMahon (RV6 863JJ)
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| Subject: | Re: RYO Center console - Responses |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Good question: according to the bathroom digital scale 3.4 lbs
Deems
John Hasbrouck wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
>
> Deems,
>
> That's sweet! How much does that bad boy weigh?
>
> John Hasbrouck
> #40264
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The OSH list |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bill and Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net>
You can count me in. I'm number 40137 and I'll probably be the last of the
604 kits flying but I'll be at Osh this year. I'm not sure when I'll be
there but I will be there.
Bill Britton
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Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:20 PM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
>
> Stealth projects, all. They're there. You just don't see them.
> Actually,
> JC has been pretty accurate thus far. We'll see.
>
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
> Dawson-Townsend
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:37 AM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
> --> <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
> Yeah, who was that that predicted 50 flying RV-10s at Oshkosh a few months
> back?
>
> TDT
> 40025
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:39 PM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Well, the list grew quite a bit in the first few days.
> Looks like we'll have a nice big -10 building crowd at OSH this year.
>
> I am a bit surprised that there are hardly any flying RV-10 builders on
> the
> list yet. I would have thought that was going to be a long list, given
> that
> today's count on Van's site is 37 Flying RV-10's.
>
> There are also a bunch of people from last year that didn't update their
> stuff, so maybe there's still a long way to grow.
>
> If you haven't yet sent your stuff in, even if you were on the list last
> year, or even if you're not going, you can do it here:
>
> http://www.MyRV10.com/osh.html
>
> I'll email you back shortly with a login for the list:
> http://www.myrv10.com/osh/index.html
>
> The current private-info-free version is at:
> http://www.myrv10.com/osh2/index.html
>
> Keep in mind that you don't have to list any phone number if you don't
> want
> any RV-10 builders calling you...but it seems that most people don't mind
> a
> call or two from a -10 builder.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hot Tunnel suggestion |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
While on this subject, I thought I would pipe in here, since I have seen
something interesting between N256H and N415EC. First of all, those of us
with 2 pipes may actually have less tunnel heat problems, since the two
pipes are not centering the exhaust directly under the tunnel. That may
make some difference, but I am not sure. We have had very little trouble
with tunnel heat (that we have noticed) in over 200 hrs on N256H. Secondly,
N415EC has longer pipes sticking out the bottom than N256H. I haven't
talked to Van's, but is it possible that they lengthened the pipes to help
get the exhaust further out of the cowl so it wouldn't cook the belly as
much? I haven't measured the difference in length, but it seems to be about
4-6 inches longer in kit 40415 than kit 40241. I really should measure to
make sure it isn't just an optical illusion.
Right now we are on a marathon to get N415EC flying in time for Oshkosh.
The FWF is completed, wiring is mostly done, and now we are installing
controls. It will be tight, but we are hoping that we might fly late next
week. Then it will be 40 hours of neighborhood flying before Osh (unless we
get an extremely lazy DAR who doesn't notice "experimental" written all over
the TMX-IO-540 and fuel servo.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Chamberlain
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:50 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
Hey guys, just back in town after a week long trip and am catching up on the
tunnel heat issue. I have been actively addressing the issuue myself as it
is warming up down here in SoCal. I think the ideas regarding the heat boxes
on the firewall are all good ones, but I'm starting from the inside. If I
recall correctly, the folks with the Vetterman (two exhaust pipes) have a
little more heat issue than those of us with the other style ( one pipe).
Judging by the discolored metal of my unpainted belly (90 hrs flying)
directly aft of the lower cowl, I'm banking that a lot of this heat is
radiating up through the tunnel from below. It seems it would only be worse
for the guys with two pipes protruding out the bottom. I actually believe
that it is all of the engine compt. heat venting out that big hole
underneath as well as the exhaust. In addition, if the vents were leaking
badly (I still believe this is part of the problem) wouldn't you be feeling
heat coming out of the openings in the cabin....I don't in mine. Bottom
line, I have insulated the firewall and floor in the tunnel all the way to
the back seats and also firesleeved my tunnel fuel lines to try to insulate
them a bit ( Having a little bit of a fuel vapor problem and pump cavitation
at idle). I hope to fly in the next few days. If I don't see an improvement
then I will be disconnecting the scats to the heat vents and routing them
overboard for a flight to see if that helps. Maybe they should just be
disconnected in the Summer time!!! Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Hot Tunnel suggestion |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> While on this subject, I thought I would pipe in here, since I have seen
> something interesting between N256H and N415EC. First of all, those of us
> with 2 pipes may actually have less tunnel heat problems, since the two
> pipes are not centering the exhaust directly under the tunnel. That may
> make some difference, but I am not sure. We have had very little trouble
> with tunnel heat (that we have noticed) in over 200 hrs on N256H. Secondly,
> N415EC has longer pipes sticking out the bottom than N256H. I haven't
> talked to Van's, but is it possible that they lengthened the pipes to help
> get the exhaust further out of the cowl so it wouldn't cook the belly as
> much? I haven't measured the difference in length, but it seems to be about
> 4-6 inches longer in kit 40415 than kit 40241. I really should measure to
> make sure it isn't just an optical illusion.
>
I had heard, at one point, that at least one builder got either
extensions, or had his lengthened. Perhaps they made a change
along the way like you suggest. That wouldn't be a bad thing to
help the problem, and might be quieter too. We'll have to
see how they measure between the various ones at OSH, and then maybe
compare to what you measure on 40415.
> Right now we are on a marathon to get N415EC flying in time for Oshkosh.
> The FWF is completed, wiring is mostly done, and now we are installing
> controls. It will be tight, but we are hoping that we might fly late next
> week. Then it will be 40 hours of neighborhood flying before Osh (unless we
> get an extremely lazy DAR who doesn't notice "experimental" written all over
> the TMX-IO-540 and fuel servo.
>
> Just a couple of thoughts.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Jesse Saint
> I-TEC, Inc.
> jesse@itecusa.org
> www.itecusa.org
> W: 352-465-4545
> C: 352-427-0285
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Chamberlain
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:50 PM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
>
> Hey guys, just back in town after a week long trip and am catching up on the
>
> tunnel heat issue. I have been actively addressing the issuue myself as it
> is warming up down here in SoCal. I think the ideas regarding the heat boxes
>
> on the firewall are all good ones, but I'm starting from the inside. If I
> recall correctly, the folks with the Vetterman (two exhaust pipes) have a
> little more heat issue than those of us with the other style ( one pipe).
> Judging by the discolored metal of my unpainted belly (90 hrs flying)
> directly aft of the lower cowl, I'm banking that a lot of this heat is
> radiating up through the tunnel from below. It seems it would only be worse
> for the guys with two pipes protruding out the bottom. I actually believe
> that it is all of the engine compt. heat venting out that big hole
> underneath as well as the exhaust. In addition, if the vents were leaking
> badly (I still believe this is part of the problem) wouldn't you be feeling
> heat coming out of the openings in the cabin....I don't in mine. Bottom
> line, I have insulated the firewall and floor in the tunnel all the way to
> the back seats and also firesleeved my tunnel fuel lines to try to insulate
> them a bit ( Having a little bit of a fuel vapor problem and pump cavitation
>
> at idle). I hope to fly in the next few days. If I don't see an improvement
> then I will be disconnecting the scats to the heat vents and routing them
> overboard for a flight to see if that helps. Maybe they should just be
> disconnected in the Summer time!!! Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RYO Center console - Responses |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
Deems,
Wow, is that all. 3.4 lbs. ain't bad at all. Thanks for sharing.
I've been contemplating doing the same thing.
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| Subject: | : RV10-List:Quick Build Wings Bottom skin |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
John,
I just did the left wing and have the right wing ready to go. I riveted
the center section directly in line with the outboard access hole first then
went outboard. I found I could rivet about halfway across each section
reaching above the rib (ie arm between the rib and skin by holding the skin
away from the wing) and then clecoed to the next rib and finished by
reaching in the holes in that rib.
Hope that helps, ask away if you have any questions.
Marcus
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Mcmahon
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:39 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Mcmahon" <rv6@earthlink.net>
To those that have completed the quick build wings,in which order did you
rivet the bottom skin on??? Did you start in the middle,or on what end??
Thanks
John McMahon (RV6 863JJ)
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List:Quick Build Wings Bottom skin |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
John,
I did the slo'build wings but the bottom skins are the same. Followed
the sequence that is in the plans. Inboard skin first starting at the rear
spar about the middle as I recall. Take a look at the orientation of the
rib flanges and you'll see that the most inboard ones can be accessed from
the wing root. Outboard skin sequence per plans. Last three ribs outboard
can be reached with the skin curled back and through the holes in the
outboard ribs. I had help for the left wing but did the right wing myself.
Turned out great just took my time. Hope this helps....john
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