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1. 07:04 AM - RV10 rack (Chris Hukill)
2. 07:26 AM - Re: Wheel Fairings Question for those who have completed (Dan Masys)
3. 08:02 AM - torque tube support attach to wing root rib (todd agold)
4. 08:51 AM - Re: New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions (Vern W. Smith)
5. 09:39 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Eric Panning)
6. 10:23 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Tim Olson)
7. 10:28 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (todd agold)
8. 10:50 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Rene Felker)
9. 10:54 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Eric Panning)
10. 11:33 AM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (rv10@tpg.com.au)
11. 12:01 PM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Jesse Saint)
12. 12:13 PM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (Rick)
13. 12:44 PM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib ()
15. 08:28 PM - Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib FW: Re: [RV10] Help with aileron rigging (Robert G. Wright)
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Ed
Sorry it took a while to respond, as I just got home from vacation.
This is the best picture I have of the rack handy, but it shows that
the wood between the main spars is used to mount to the rack, and
supports it in any position you need, if you have a lifting device. The
supports attaching to the step receptacles are there for when I attach
the tailcone primarily, as the fuselage is pretty much balanced on just
the spars. I made the rack low, so it can roll under things , but I
place jackstands under the lower rails when working on the plane in the
normal level position. I can easily roll under it with a creaper when
needed.
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Fairings Question for those who have completed |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
---- Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> My plane flew almost perfect with no rudder correction before I added
> wheel fairings. I put the fairings on and they weren't aligned as
> good as I wanted...they were toed out. I re-worked them to try to
> correct it. Ended up still not perfect. Now the ball is something
> like 1/2-3/4 out to the right when flying. Had to add a rudder
> block for the time being.
If the -10 has similar aerodynamic forces to the 2 place RV's, it will be the alignment
of the gear leg fairings that is more important even than the wheel fairings.
Seems counterintuitive given their sizes, but the positioning of the
gear leg fairings up in the prop disc airflow makes them pretty efficient flight
control surfaces. You can get more effect on the centering of the ball by
playing with a quarter to half inch of movement of the trailing edge of the leg
fairing than an inch or more of repositioning of the wheel fairing trailing
edge.
Try it. You might like it :-).
That said, I also have a permanent wedge on the rudder of my -7A. :-(
-Dan Masys
40448
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| Subject: | torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
Group,
Has anyone run into the problem of the rear aileron torque tube support brackets
interfering with the bead in the forward most lightening hole of the wing root
ribs?
Thanks
Todd
#362
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| Subject: | New (sort of) Builder and Wing Build Questions |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
Hi Jae,
Welcome to the group! Something to think about is the locking gas caps
will only keep the honest ones out. If someone really wants your fuel
they will just pull the drain valve at the bottom of the tank and drain
it into a container.
It also may be worth thinking about running a spare conduit out to the
wing tips. It doesn't add much weight and may come in handy if you
decide to run a wing tip antenna later.
Vern
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Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:30 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "jchang10"
<jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Conduit. I didn't get any in the kit, and i don't think it's on the
parts list. Van's catalog has Nylon wiring conduit as part # DUCT NT5/8,
but it says it's included in the wiring kit!? Should I be ordering this
too while building the wings?
Fuel caps. Also, has anyone ordered the lockable fuel caps? I was just
at Van's a couple weeks ago for a demo flight, and noticed the deluxe
and lockable fuel caps on the counter. I wish I had inspected them more
carefully, but the upgrade seems nice to have - esp. if it's lockable.
Thank you for the advice!
Jae
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=45536#45536
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
Todd,
Yes, You have to cut it back to open up the space.
Even the hinge gets cut back a little. Factory plane
has this mod, so does every other flying plane I have
seen. Van's changed the opening from rectangle to
teardrop at some build #. It would be nice if they
sent out a revision notice as it would be much easier
to fix when you have the rear spar on the bench as
opposed to riveted to the wing.
If you search back I had more detail about this about
6-9 months ago. Bottom line is if you have a
retangular opening in your wing rear spar for your
aileron push tube you will need to widen the opening
for clearance.
Another area where I have noticed clearance issues is
between the small landing gear front tube and one of
the seat supports. If you don't increase dia of the
existing opening then the tube wll rub against the
support and wear thru the powdercoat into the metal.
Overall, I think we are spoiled that everything fits
so well... :)
Eric
#40150
--- todd agold <t_agold@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Group,
>
> Has anyone run into the problem of the rear aileron
> torque tube support brackets interfering with the
> bead in the forward most lightening hole of the wing
> root ribs?
>
> Thanks
>
> Todd
> #362
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Eric,
From the sounds of it, he's asking about the rounded bead
that surrounds a wing rib lightening hole....not the
pushrod exit hole....right Todd, or am I misreading?
If this is what you're asking about, I'm not familiar
with anyone having a problem so far. If you're talking
about the exit hole for the pushrod in the rear spar
then Eric is right on for sure.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Eric Panning wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Todd,
>
> Yes, You have to cut it back to open up the space.
> Even the hinge gets cut back a little. Factory plane
> has this mod, so does every other flying plane I have
> seen. Van's changed the opening from rectangle to
> teardrop at some build #. It would be nice if they
> sent out a revision notice as it would be much easier
> to fix when you have the rear spar on the bench as
> opposed to riveted to the wing.
>
> If you search back I had more detail about this about
> 6-9 months ago. Bottom line is if you have a
> retangular opening in your wing rear spar for your
> aileron push tube you will need to widen the opening
> for clearance.
>
> Another area where I have noticed clearance issues is
> between the small landing gear front tube and one of
> the seat supports. If you don't increase dia of the
> existing opening then the tube wll rub against the
> support and wear thru the powdercoat into the metal.
>
> Overall, I think we are spoiled that everything fits
> so well... :)
>
> Eric
> #40150
>
> --- todd agold <t_agold@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Group,
>>
>> Has anyone run into the problem of the rear aileron
>> torque tube support brackets interfering with the
>> bead in the forward most lightening hole of the wing
>> root ribs?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Todd
>> #362
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
Eric,
Thanks for the reply, but I'm referring to a different issue. See picture...
Todd
#362
Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
Todd,
Yes, You have to cut it back to open up the space.
Even the hinge gets cut back a little. Factory plane
has this mod, so does every other flying plane I have
seen. Van's changed the opening from rectangle to
teardrop at some build #. It would be nice if they
sent out a revision notice as it would be much easier
to fix when you have the rear spar on the bench as
opposed to riveted to the wing.
If you search back I had more detail about this about
6-9 months ago. Bottom line is if you have a
retangular opening in your wing rear spar for your
aileron push tube you will need to widen the opening
for clearance.
Another area where I have noticed clearance issues is
between the small landing gear front tube and one of
the seat supports. If you don't increase dia of the
existing opening then the tube wll rub against the
support and wear thru the powdercoat into the metal.
Overall, I think we are spoiled that everything fits
so well... :)
Eric
#40150
--- todd agold wrote:
> Group,
>
> Has anyone run into the problem of the rear aileron
> torque tube support brackets interfering with the
> bead in the forward most lightening hole of the wing
> root ribs?
>
> Thanks
>
> Todd
> #362
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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| Subject: | torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
I am not 100% sure, I will look tonight, but I think I had to shape that
piece in order to get it to fit flat on the rib.
Rene' Felker
40322
N423CF
Finish Kit....going slow :-(
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of todd agold
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:28 AM
Eric,
Thanks for the reply, but I'm referring to a different issue. See
picture...
Todd
#362
Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
Todd,
Yes, You have to cut it back to open up the space.
Even the hinge gets cut back a little. Factory plane
has this mod, so does every other flying plane I have
seen. Van's changed the opening from rectangle to
teardrop at some build #. It would be nice if they
sent out a revision notice as it would be much easier
to fix when you have the rear spar on the bench as
opposed to riveted to the wing.
If you search back I had more detail about this about
6-9 months ago. Bottom line is if you have a
retangular opening in your wing rear spar for your
aileron push tube you will need to widen the opening
for clearance.
Another area where I have noticed clearance issues is
between the small landing gear front tube and one of
the seat supports. If you don't increase dia of the
existing opening then the tube wll rub against the
support and wear thru the powdercoat into the metal.
Overall, I think we are spoiled that everything fits
so well... :)
Eric
#40150
--- todd agold wrote:
> Group,
>
> Has anyone run into the problem of the rear aileron
> torque tube support brackets interfering with the
> bead in the forward most lightening hole of the wing
> root ribs?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
Sorry Todd - looked again and I think your question is
different topic than my response. Sorry for the
confusion! Eric
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--- Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
> <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Todd,
>
> Yes, You have to cut it back to open up the space.
> Even the hinge gets cut back a little. Factory plane
> has this mod, so does every other flying plane I
> have
> seen. Van's changed the opening from rectangle to
> teardrop at some build #. It would be nice if they
> sent out a revision notice as it would be much
> easier
> to fix when you have the rear spar on the bench as
> opposed to riveted to the wing.
>
> If you search back I had more detail about this
> about
> 6-9 months ago. Bottom line is if you have a
> retangular opening in your wing rear spar for your
> aileron push tube you will need to widen the opening
> for clearance.
>
> Another area where I have noticed clearance issues
> is
> between the small landing gear front tube and one of
> the seat supports. If you don't increase dia of the
> existing opening then the tube wll rub against the
> support and wear thru the powdercoat into the metal.
>
>
> Overall, I think we are spoiled that everything fits
> so well... :)
>
> Eric
> #40150
>
> --- todd agold <t_agold@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Group,
> >
> > Has anyone run into the problem of the rear
> aileron
> > torque tube support brackets interfering with the
> > bead in the forward most lightening hole of the
> wing
> > root ribs?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Todd
> > #362
> >
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
--> RV10-List message posted by: rv10@tpg.com.au
Hey Todd,
Just did this a couple of days ago and also sat scratching my head for some time
after striking the
same problem. I also spent some time searching through the lists thinking "Surely
someone else
has had this problem!!" In the end I ground the bottom of the support brackets
back to provide
clearance at which point they sat in there semi-nicely (still had headaches getting
the holes
common to the flanges even close to lining up).
Have fun,
Scott Lewis
RV-10 40172
Adelaide, South Australia
Quoting todd agold <t_agold@yahoo.com>:
> Group,
>
> Has anyone run into the problem of the rear aileron torque tube
> support brackets interfering with the bead in the forward most
> lightening hole of the wing root ribs?
>
> Thanks
>
> Todd
> #362
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| Subject: | torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
I had to do that as well. Just grind down, file down, whatever-down the
angle until it sits flat.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of todd agold
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:28 PM
Eric,
Thanks for the reply, but I'm referring to a different issue. See
picture...
Todd
#362
Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
Todd,
Yes, You have to cut it back to open up the space.
Even the hinge gets cut back a little. Factory plane
has this mod, so does every other flying plane I have
seen. Van's changed the opening from rectangle to
teardrop at some build #. It would be nice if they
sent out a revision notice as it would be much easier
to fix when you have the rear spar on the bench as
opposed to riveted to the wing.
If you search back I had more detail about this about
6-9 months ago. Bottom line is if you have a
retangular opening in your wing rear spar for your
aileron push tube you will need to widen the opening
for clearance.
Another area where I have noticed clearance issues is
between the small landing gear front tube and one of
the seat supports. If you don't increase dia of the
existing opening then the tube wll rub against the
support and wear thru the powdercoat into the metal.
Overall, I think we are spoiled that everything fits
so well... :)
Eric
#40150
--- todd agold wrote:
> Group,
>
> Has anyone run into the problem of the rear aileron
> torque tube support brackets interfering with the
> bead in the forward most lightening hole of the wing
> root ribs?
>
> Thanks
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
The old Yahoo list had a bunch of info about this but alas it tis gone so for us
old Yahoo guys who remember, this is what I recall:
Some had clearance issues, some didn't, and if you do, it's a VERY LITTLE amount
of interference. My right bracket just interfered (only right) with the bead
so I buffed off the slightest amount of material off the bottom of the bracket
and it worked fine.
Later someone posted that Van's said to flatten the bead slightly to allow the
bracket to sit properly. I know this sounds dumb but make sure the angle is aft
of the bracket and not forward which would make it sit right on top of the bead.
Carefully line up the spacer and bracket to make sure your not to far forward
when you match drill. If the bracket is sitting really high up on the bead,
something is wrong somewhere. You should only have to round the edge of the
bracket a small amount for it to come together correctly.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
The beads act as stiffeners. Adding that attach point stiffens it way
more than a bead. I do recall the comments in the past about flattening
it which is a better idea than removing any material. I believe that is
what I did also.
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:12 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
The old Yahoo list had a bunch of info about this but alas it tis gone
so for us old Yahoo guys who remember, this is what I recall:
Some had clearance issues, some didn't, and if you do, it's a VERY
LITTLE amount of interference. My right bracket just interfered (only
right) with the bead so I buffed off the slightest amount of material
off the bottom of the bracket and it worked fine.
Later someone posted that Van's said to flatten the bead slightly to
allow the bracket to sit properly. I know this sounds dumb but make sure
the angle is aft of the bracket and not forward which would make it sit
right on top of the bead. Carefully line up the spacer and bracket to
make sure your not to far forward when you match drill. If the bracket
is sitting really high up on the bead, something is wrong somewhere. You
should only have to round the edge of the bracket a small amount for it
to come together correctly.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
That problem is common. My kit #40192 had it too.
Van support will tell you to flatten out the rib.
Jim C
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Eric,
Thanks for the reply, but I'm referring to a different issue. See picture...
Todd
#362
Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning
Todd,
Yes, You have to cut it back to open up the space.
Even the hinge gets cut back a little. Factory plane
has this mod, so does every other flying plane I have
seen. Van's changed the opening from rectangle to
teardrop at some build #. It would be nice if they
sent out a revision notice as it would be much easier
to fix when you have the rear spar on the bench as
opposed to riveted to the wing.
If you search back I had more detail about this about
6-9 months ago. Bottom line is if you have a
retangular opening in your wing rear spar for your
aileron push tube you will need to widen the opening
for clearance.
Another area where I have noticed clearance issues is
between the small landing gear front tube and one of
the seat supports. If you don't increase dia of the
existing opening then the tube wll rub against the
support and wear thru the powdercoat into the metal.
Overall, I think we are spoiled that everything fits
so well... :)
Eric
#40150
--- todd agold wrote:
> Group,
>
> Has anyone run into the problem of the rear aileron
> torque tube support brackets interfering with the
> bead in the forward most lightening hole of the wing
> root ribs?
>
> Thanks
>
> Todd
> #362
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min.
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| Subject: | Re: torque tube support attach to wing root rib |
FW: RV10-List: Re: [RV10] Help with aileron rigging
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
Todd,
I think this is the message from the old Yahoo list that Rick S. was
referring to earlier.
Um, personal archive for a lot of this stuff, but this one should be in the
matronics archives as well.
Rob Wright
#392
QB Wings
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy DeBauw
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:13 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw" <Randy@abros.com>
I think what actually happens is that the opposite side aileron hits before
the one rod hits. I started to relieve the extra material before I came up
with the revelation. I decided to stop messing with it and wait till both
wings are on. Randy
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:52 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
If my memory doesn't escape too far, I think I remember posts last
year about this subject, and possibly remember Randy telling me that
yes, people ended up enlarging the hole. My wings are all together,
and I've connected the ailerons temporarily. I should be able to test
for the rubbing at full deflection. At this point, since it's not
painted, just primed, if it hits I'll just be filing it larger,
deburring the hole, and re-priming. Not too big a deal. I used
temporary hardware to connect it.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #170
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PJ wrote:
>
>
> I just finished rigging the aileron on my right wing. When I was
> finished, I noticed that at full up deflection, the aileron doesn't
> hit the stop on the aileron hinge bracket. Right before it gets
> there, the aileron to bellcrank pushrod binds up on the edge of the
> hole in the rear spar. Same thing at full down; it binds against the
> side of the hole before the nose of the aileron hits the gap fairing.
> I double checked twice to make sure everything was adjusted properly
> at neutral.
>
> I can't imagine the ailerons ever being deflected that much during
> flight, but I also don't want my pushrod rubbing against the rear spar
> either. Is this normal, or do I need to take it all apart and enlarge
> the hole? Or is there something else I'm missing?
>
> Thanks,
> PJ
> 40032
>
>
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