Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:33 AM - Re: Static Ports (JOHN STARN)
2. 12:47 AM - Seat screw help (Chris , Susie Darcy)
3. 12:55 AM - Re: Static Ports (Chris , Susie Darcy)
4. 04:22 AM - Re: Headliner before cabin cover riveting? (Wayne Edgerton)
5. 04:22 AM - Re: Static Ports (Tim Olson)
6. 04:41 AM - Re: Headliner before cabin cover riveting? (Rob Kermanj)
7. 04:45 AM - Re: Static Ports (Rob Kermanj)
8. 04:46 AM - Re: Headliner before cabin cover riveting? (Russell Daves)
9. 05:01 AM - Re: Seat screw help (Russell Daves)
10. 05:16 AM - Return from Oshkosh (jwik)
11. 05:35 AM - Message Posting (Chris Hukill)
12. 06:08 AM - Re: Pilots need to know flap angle (Jesse Saint)
13. 06:23 AM - Re: Electric Load analysis (Conti, Rick)
14. 06:26 AM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
15. 06:40 AM - Re: Message Posting (Tim Olson)
16. 06:49 AM - Re: Pilots need to know flap angle (Tim Olson)
17. 06:57 AM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
18. 07:11 AM - Re: Message Posting (Jesse Saint)
19. 07:47 AM - Re: Message Posting (Indran Chelvanayagam)
20. 07:51 AM - Re: Static Ports (Michael Schipper)
21. 08:46 AM - Re: Message Posting (Rick)
22. 08:52 AM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (Rick)
23. 09:01 AM - Re: Message Posting & Oshkosh (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
24. 09:03 AM - Re: Electric Load analysis (Dan Masys)
25. 09:42 AM - Re: Message Posting & Oshkosh (Tim Olson)
26. 09:43 AM - Re: Message Posting (Matt Dralle)
27. 10:02 AM - Re: NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (Rick)
28. 10:03 AM - Re: Message Posting & Oshkosh (John W. Cox)
29. 10:22 AM - Re: NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
30. 10:41 AM - Re: Message Posting & Oshkosh (linn Walters)
31. 10:47 AM - Re: NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (David Hertner)
32. 11:08 AM - Re: Static Ports (Chris , Susie Darcy)
33. 11:20 AM - Re: NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
34. 11:59 AM - Re: Static Ports (JOHN STARN)
35. 12:32 PM - Dumb question (another) (Deems Davis)
36. 12:41 PM - Re: Dumb question (another) (Tim Dawson-Townsend)
37. 01:05 PM - Wiring (Albert Gardner)
38. 01:20 PM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (Brian Douglas)
39. 01:23 PM - Re: Dumb question (another) (Deems Davis)
40. 01:24 PM - Re: Message Posting & Oshkosh (Rick)
41. 01:27 PM - Re: NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (Rick)
42. 01:38 PM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (Rick)
43. 01:42 PM - Re: Dumb question (another) (Deems Davis)
44. 02:06 PM - Re: Static Ports (Dan Benua)
45. 02:13 PM - Re: Wiring (Tim Olson)
46. 02:14 PM - Roller painting (Dan Masys)
47. 02:21 PM - James McClow Educational Center ()
48. 02:40 PM - Re: Roller painting (Rick)
49. 02:43 PM - Re: James McClow Educational Center (Rick)
50. 02:59 PM - Re: Static Ports (Chris , Susie Darcy)
51. 03:04 PM - Re: Electric Load analysis (John Testement)
52. 03:26 PM - Re: Dumb question (another) (Tim Olson)
53. 03:41 PM - Re: Dumb question (another) (Deems Davis)
54. 05:05 PM - Re: Dumb question (another) (W. Curtis)
55. 05:31 PM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (bob.kaufmann)
56. 05:32 PM - Re: Message Posting (bob.kaufmann)
57. 05:35 PM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (Russell Daves)
58. 05:37 PM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (bob.kaufmann)
59. 05:39 PM - Re: Message Posting & Oshkosh (bob.kaufmann)
60. 05:51 PM - Re: Message Posting & Oshkosh (bob.kaufmann)
61. 05:57 PM - Re: NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (bob.kaufmann)
62. 05:59 PM - Re: NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (bob.kaufmann)
63. 06:05 PM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (bob.kaufmann)
64. 06:30 PM - Two great topics (Jesse Saint)
65. 06:34 PM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (Dan Masys)
66. 06:48 PM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (John Erickson)
67. 07:05 PM - Cloud dancing (bob.kaufmann)
68. 07:16 PM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (linn Walters)
69. 08:13 PM - Re: Static Ports (Richard Sipp)
70. 09:43 PM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (Stein Bruch)
71. 10:02 PM - The Final OSH countdown begins - Long, but sweet (Tim Olson)
72. 11:30 PM - Re: Wiring (DejaVu)
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
Will second that notion. I have responded many times before on the this
subject. Contact me off list if you need or want help. Somewhere you
have to turn the line 90 degrees to get it to the panel. I suggest using
the ports with female threads & the 90 degree adaptor fittings that
screw into them. Much more secure than "glued on" in a place that you
can't visit/inspect/repair that easily. KABONG HR II, 280hrs plus. Do
Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Ports
get some real static ports. See aircraft spruce
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/staticports2.php. These
will also take the nyflo fittings.
----- Original Message -----
From: DejaVu
To: RV10
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Static Ports
I have a hard time keeping the static lines on the pop-rivet ports.
Any suggestions?
Anh
#141
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Ok anyone know where the AN509-8R10 are that are used to hold the seat
rails down??? Need 72 of them. Page 49-03
regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Ports
get some real static ports. See aircraft spruce
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/staticports2.php. These
will also take the nyflo fittings.
----- Original Message -----
From: DejaVu
To: RV10
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Static Ports
I have a hard time keeping the static lines on the pop-rivet ports.
Any suggestions?
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
I used epoxy on my 6 and have used on 10 as well.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: David Maib
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Ports
I have read some comments that seem to say that the Vans static port
kit is actually very accurate in spite of being cheap and simple. Does
anybody have any comparison with the Aircraft Spruce and other more
sophisticated systems? I know they look way better, but am interested in
performance.
David Maib
40559 tailcone
do not archive
On Jul 17, 2006, at 11:24 PM, David McNeill wrote:
get some real static ports. See aircraft spruce
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/staticports2.php. These
will also take the nyflo fittings.
----- Original Message -----
From: DejaVu
To: RV10
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Static Ports
I have a hard time keeping the static lines on the pop-rivet ports.
Any suggestions?
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Re: Headliner before cabin cover riveting? |
I believe Toni Sustare, the guy with the overhaed console, has or is
building window trim pieces for the 10. I'm guessing he will be at
Ashkosh this year, he was at Sun-N-Fun. I've gotten lucky, I hope, and
found a custom car upholstery guy who also does planes and he will be
building a frame around my windows to be covered.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
baffling baffles
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Anh, so far the responses are just like I'd say....probably just time to
get a good static port system. Best now before you paint, so you don't
have to drill your tailcone after painting. I have the Cleaveland.
I know some have questioned in the past which brands are accurate and
which have errors. So far, it looks like mine are accurate. I need
to fly the box to see if the precision is perfect, but they really
seem to be good right now. My guess is that perhaps people had
issues with various ones in the past on other airframes, but on the
-10 they don't have much of a problem.....the placement has more to
do with the reading than the port, would be my guess.
So anyway, as usual, the best fix is probably just digging through
the sofa for some more quarters. ;) The nice thing about the ones
that I'm using is it has allowed me to use nice 1/4" ID Tygon tubing
that is real flexible and seals great with push-on fittings.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
JOHN STARN wrote:
> Will second that notion. I have responded many times before on the this
> subject. Contact me off list if you need or want help. Somewhere you
> have to turn the line 90 degrees to get it to the panel. I suggest using
> the ports with female threads & the 90 degree adaptor fittings that
> screw into them. Much more secure than "glued on" in a place that you
> can't visit/inspect/repair that easily. KABONG HR II, 280hrs plus. Do
> Not Archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* David McNeill <mailto:dlm46007@cox.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2006 9:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Static Ports
>
> get some real static ports. See aircraft spruce
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/staticports2.php.
> These will also take the nyflo fittings.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* DejaVu <mailto:wvu@ameritel.net>
> *To:* RV10 <mailto:RV10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2006 8:42 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Static Ports
>
> I have a hard time keeping the static lines on the pop-rivet
> ports. Any suggestions?
> Anh
> #141
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| Subject: | Re: Headliner before cabin cover riveting? |
I bought a headliner that came with 1/4" of foam backing. Cut and
peeled away the foam backing near the edge about 1" back, folded the
fabric over and used a 3M L1300 (?) glue. I am pretty happy with the
look.
Rob Kermanj
On Jul 17, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> Has anybody uncovered a way to finish off the edges of the
> headliner where they meet the windows and other surfaces, so
> there's not just a cut edge?
>
> Deems
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> It would be easiest to install the headliner before you put the
>> canopy
>> on. Plan ahead though and don't glue the lower 2 or 3" and leave a
>> few inches extra that will go below the canopy top and trim it all
>> later. The only catch is, while it's easier to do the headliner
>> later, that will assume you have the interior cabin top painted
>> already in the non-covered areas. And some of those areas around the
>> doors may need to be filed down in the future to make the doors fit
>> better. So, you may end up with some rework around the doors on
>> your paint unless you either get lucky, or have it all together
>> enough to know your doors are all ready to go.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
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>> Dan Masys wrote:
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>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>>>
>>> I am at point in the plans where it says to rivet the cabin cover
>>> on,
>>> but I was waiting till OSH to go see about interior upholstery
>>> (probably from Flightline). In the archives there is chat about
>>> installing the headliner before installing the cabin cover. Is
>>> putting the headliner in a big enough deal that I should wait before
>>> riveting the structure together, or just one of those things that is
>>> nice to do if you have the chance? (Sure would be nice to get the
>>> structures part of the project out of the way to move onto FWF and
>>> systems goodies.)
>>>
>>> -Dan Masys #40448
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
Proseal around the tube and the pop rivet.
Rob Kermanj
On Jul 17, 2006, at 11:42 PM, DejaVu wrote:
> I have a hard time keeping the static lines on the pop-rivet
> ports. Any suggestions?
> Anh
> #141
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| Subject: | Re: Headliner before cabin cover riveting? |
My wife did our headliner and she used piping around the window frames and
edges. She glued in the piping (covered with the same headliner fabric)
around the windows and then folded the edge under and glued it up next to
the piping.
Russ Daves
N710RV
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 9:36 PM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> Has anybody uncovered a way to finish off the edges of the headliner where
> they meet the windows and other surfaces, so there's not just a cut edge?
>
> Deems
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>
>> It would be easiest to install the headliner before you put the canopy
>> on. Plan ahead though and don't glue the lower 2 or 3" and leave a
>> few inches extra that will go below the canopy top and trim it all
>> later. The only catch is, while it's easier to do the headliner
>> later, that will assume you have the interior cabin top painted
>> already in the non-covered areas. And some of those areas around the
>> doors may need to be filed down in the future to make the doors fit
>> better. So, you may end up with some rework around the doors on
>> your paint unless you either get lucky, or have it all together
>> enough to know your doors are all ready to go.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Dan Masys wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>>>
>>> I am at point in the plans where it says to rivet the cabin cover on,
>>> but I was waiting till OSH to go see about interior upholstery
>>> (probably from Flightline). In the archives there is chat about
>>> installing the headliner before installing the cabin cover. Is
>>> putting the headliner in a big enough deal that I should wait before
>>> riveting the structure together, or just one of those things that is
>>> nice to do if you have the chance? (Sure would be nice to get the
>>> structures part of the project out of the way to move onto FWF and
>>> systems goodies.)
>>>
>>> -Dan Masys #40448
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| Subject: | Re: Seat screw help |
My QB Fuselage was short the AN509-8R10's and I called Van's and had
them ship them out free.
Russ Daves
N710RV
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris , Susie Darcy
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:46 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Seat screw help
Ok anyone know where the AN509-8R10 are that are used to hold the seat
rails down??? Need 72 of them. Page 49-03
regards Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: David McNeill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Ports
get some real static ports. See aircraft spruce
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/staticports2.php. These
will also take the nyflo fittings.
----- Original Message -----
From: DejaVu
To: RV10
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Static Ports
I have a hard time keeping the static lines on the pop-rivet
ports. Any suggestions?
Anh
#141
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| Subject: | Return from Oshkosh |
--> RV10-List message posted by: jwik <jwik@crary.com>
I have a new scheduling difficulty and thought I'd take a shot at a
solution from this group.
My son and I are attending Airventure the 28th through the 30th. I now
have a business meeting in Chicago on the 31st but my son needs to be
back at work as well flying fire patrol in MN (building time). Home for
him is Fargo ND.
If by chance he could bum a ride back with someone on sunday the 30th,
I could head down directly from OSH to Chicago for my meeting.
We'd gladly pay our share of gas or maybe there could be some barter for
a bi-ennial or Intrument compentency check as he is a youg single or
multi CFII.
Thanks - enjoy the list very much.
Jay Wik #40536 Tailcone
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Fellow posters
As I try to read thru the 74 messages on the last list trying to get
some useful information that I might incorporate into my build, I am
developing carpal tunnel in my scrolling finger trying to get thru all
the repeats of the previous poster's comments. (this time it's alternate
engines). If everyone would just post their comments with a brand new
message, not a response to someone else's, the new message would not
repeat the previous ones, saving considerable bandwidth and scroll time.
You could use the same subject in the subject line, so readers would
know at a glance that it follows a thread.
Just a suggestion.
Chris Hukill
do not archive
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| Subject: | Pilots need to know flap angle |
That=92s a very good question. I was up flying yesterday in N415EC and
it
seemed as though the flaps were down 3 degrees, or in the 0 position,
however is best to say that. Depending on how you handle them, the best
thing to do to make sure they are up in flight is to just leave the flap
switch in the up position (don=92t get a flap switch with momentary up).
This
will insure they are up. If you have the positioning system, when you
click
down the first time, they will go from up 3 degrees to neutral, the
second
time they will go to 15 degrees, and the third time they will go to 30
degrees. 15 and 30 are pretty easy to see, and the other two
shouldn=92t be a
big issue if you just leave the switch up when you are wanting to
cruise, or
if you wonder, then push it up for a couple of seconds to see if they
move
up any more. An indicator would be nice, but I don=92t think it is
necessary.
I have seen others just put three pieces of colored tape on the wing
with
steps that indicate flap position from the pilot=92s seat. This is the
easy
and cheap way to have an indicator.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
DeRouchey
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:21 AM
Question for those lucky folks that are currently flying -
How useful is it to know the flap angle from an RV-10 pilots
perspective?
I can easily provide a display to show a coarse setting (Ray Allen
POS-12),
a very exact setting (string pot) or simply do nothing. The do nothing
choice corresponds to flaps all the way up or all the way down with a
quick
look out the window to confirm.
Is knowing the intermediate angle useful? If so, how accurate?
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, #40029, HYPERLINK
"mailto:billderou@yahoo.com"billderou@yahoo.com
flyable in 3 days, DAR schedule?
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| Subject: | Electric Load analysis |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
Deems,
I took a quick look at your spreadsheet, it's a good list. I would
expect the SL30, SL40, and transponder to have two current draws. One
when receiving and a higher one when transmitting.
You might want to add the current draw of the starter when it's
cranking. I have a completely electronic panel. Meaning my oil
pressure gauge is part of the EFIS. Hence the EFIS must be on when I
start the engine. The voltage drop on a 12 volt system when the starter
is cranking is sufficient to "reboot" any electronics that are
operating. That is why I opted for a 24 volt system. To give you some
idea of the voltage drop during engine start, multiply the battery's
internal resistance by the starter current draw. Then subtract that
number from 12. That will give you the voltage available during start.
Thank You
Rick Conti
The Boeing Company
Senior Engineering Manager
office: 703 - 414 - 6141
blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:49 PM
I'm starting to get serious about the electrical system, and have put
together an initial cut at a load analysis for my electrical system. I
don't recall seeing any posts previously that contained similar
information, however with 37 flying examples I'm sure that there are
some 'proven' examples. I'm leaning towards the Aero Electric Z13/20
architecture at the moment (had been planning on a Z14 but think it's
overkill for me), which includes the endurance buss concept w/ a back-up
alternator.
I , for one would be REALLY excited to see ANY examples of what other
builders have done (or are contemplating) in the way of their load
analysis. I'm attaching a copy of my initial spreadsheet, and would
welcome any review / critique that others may offer. Just remember that
I'm no Sparky either and all this electron stuff is 'magic' to me. So be
gentle with any critique. O:-)
THANKS
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse/Finishing
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
I've not in the market place, but it seems to me that if you are taking
orders on a product underdevelopment, that is; that one hopes to deliver with
in
a 6 month time frame, then you are not taking orders to sell your
product...you are discussing how individuals can become temporary investors in
your
product unless your deposit money will be held in escrow by a certified escrow
company such as AOPA's escrow service. If a company cashes your check it is a
sale--you've become part of their cash flow system and at 50% that's probably
close to the raw materials future cost. If they don't deliver a product
then you are a credit holder to the company awaiting the product promised. If
they go Chapter whatever in the mean time you are generally at the back of the
line with all the creditors and near the rear along with raw material
supplies, non-secured creditors.
I'd think 6 months is a relatively short period for a custom product but
still they are not selling you a product but booking a future
product...IMHO...and one should expect a healthy discount for the finance risk.
I've got a real good buddy still awaiting a Delta Hawk engine...and it's
said to have been deliverable more than two years ago, and it still has not seen
the light of day.
Please I'm not putting these two engine companies in the same grouping but
in the aviation business there are lots of strange twist and turns.
Patrick
PS I think the opening gambit was a bit odd but I don't know the history nor
"have a dog in this fight".
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Actually, one of the things that irks me is Rick Sked's posts
(Sorry Rick, nothing personal. ;) ) when he uses the other
posting interface and you can't ever tell what he's talking
about when he responds, because there's no context for the
answer. I'm not saying people should leave all of the
repeat posts in place, or even the full original post.
I'm just saying they may want to leave at least the relevant
parts from the original that they're replying to, so that there
is some context to the reply and people aren't left scratching
their heads. I routinely also trim off the matronics footers
and other garbage when I reply.
BTW....Mr. Sked, please stop and visit me at OSH. I've been
dying to meet you and many of the other long-time list
people from waaaay back. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Chris Hukill wrote:
> Fellow posters
> As I try to read thru the 74 messages on the last list trying to get
> some useful information that I might incorporate into my build, I am
> developing carpal tunnel in my scrolling finger trying to get thru all
> the repeats of the previous poster's comments. (this time it's alternate
> engines). If everyone would just post their comments with a brand new
> message, not a response to someone else's, the new message would not
> repeat the previous ones, saving considerable bandwidth and scroll time.
> You could use the same subject in the subject line, so readers would
> know at a glance that it follows a thread.
> Just a suggestion.
> Chris Hukill
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Pilots need to know flap angle |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Totally agree. Plus, as Dan Masys mentioned, he can feel the stick
pressure difference in his 7A. In the RV-10, you won't notice
much going from -3 to 0. In fact, I rarely, if ever, use the 0
position. Then when passing to the next stop, you get a little
stick force and trim it out. It's easy to see that you have
the flaps in mid position down. But, when you finally go full
flaps, the RV-10 has tons of re-trimming to do, with a much
larger nose drop, and it's unmistakable from both flying qualities,
and visual look of the flaps, that you are at full flaps.
So you will definitely know on landing where you're at. If there's
one time you may NOT know, it would be on a climb out.
So far, on thankfully only ONE occasion, while being much too
conversational with a buddy on takeoff, I did a touch and go
and didn't retract the flaps. It climbed pretty well, but I
didn't get airspeed to go over about 85kts or so. Right away
that triggered the thought to check the switch, and sure enough,
the switch wasn't up. One click and we were moving faster.
As Jesse said, with the non-momentary switch, you just flip it up
and if it's in the up position, the flaps will retract completely.
I guess missing it once in 90 hours isn't too bad. Stick 2 pilots
who are good buddies who haven't seen eachother for a year in the
front seat, and you have the recipe for inattentive disaster,
regardless of the indicators. ;) Nice thing the -10 still climbs
well with full flaps!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jesse Saint wrote:
> Thats a very good question. I was up flying yesterday in N415EC and it
> seemed as though the flaps were down 3 degrees, or in the 0 position,
> however is best to say that. Depending on how you handle them, the best
> thing to do to make sure they are up in flight is to just leave the flap
> switch in the up position (dont get a flap switch with momentary up).
> This will insure they are up. If you have the positioning system, when
> you click down the first time, they will go from up 3 degrees to
> neutral, the second time they will go to 15 degrees, and the third time
> they will go to 30 degrees. 15 and 30 are pretty easy to see, and the
> other two shouldnt be a big issue if you just leave the switch up when
> you are wanting to cruise, or if you wonder, then push it up for a
> couple of seconds to see if they move up any more. An indicator would
> be nice, but I dont think it is necessary. I have seen others just put
> three pieces of colored tape on the wing with steps that indicate flap
> position from the pilots seat. This is the easy and cheap way to have
> an indicator.
>
>
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> I-TEC, Inc.
>
> jesse@itecusa.org <mailto:jesse@itecusa.org>
>
> www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>
>
> W: 352-465-4545
>
> C: 352-427-0285
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill DeRouchey
> *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2006 11:21 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Pilots need to know flap angle
>
>
>
> Question for those lucky folks that are currently flying -
>
>
>
> How useful is it to know the flap angle from an RV-10 pilots
> perspective? I can easily provide a display to show a coarse setting
> (Ray Allen POS-12), a very exact setting (string pot) or simply do
> nothing. The do nothing choice corresponds to flaps all the way up or
> all the way down with a quick look out the window to confirm.
>
>
>
> Is knowing the intermediate angle useful? If so, how accurate?
>
>
>
> Bill DeRouchey
>
> N939SB, #40029, billderou@yahoo.com <mailto:billderou@yahoo.com>
>
> flyable in 3 days, DAR schedule?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> 7/17/2006
>
>
> --
> 7/17/2006
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
Bob when you do a XC in the RV 10, how many airports will be stocking Mogas?
Patrick
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
I agree with Tim. I never trim the originals because I can't stand it when
others do, so I don't know what they are talking about. I think the
Matronics system automatically trims the footers, because I never trim them
and they don't come in twice on my replies, I don't think.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:36 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Actually, one of the things that irks me is Rick Sked's posts
(Sorry Rick, nothing personal. ;) ) when he uses the other
posting interface and you can't ever tell what he's talking
about when he responds, because there's no context for the
answer. I'm not saying people should leave all of the
repeat posts in place, or even the full original post.
I'm just saying they may want to leave at least the relevant
parts from the original that they're replying to, so that there
is some context to the reply and people aren't left scratching
their heads. I routinely also trim off the matronics footers
and other garbage when I reply.
BTW....Mr. Sked, please stop and visit me at OSH. I've been
dying to meet you and many of the other long-time list
people from waaaay back. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Chris Hukill wrote:
> Fellow posters
> As I try to read thru the 74 messages on the last list trying to get
> some useful information that I might incorporate into my build, I am
> developing carpal tunnel in my scrolling finger trying to get thru all
> the repeats of the previous poster's comments. (this time it's alternate
> engines). If everyone would just post their comments with a brand new
> message, not a response to someone else's, the new message would not
> repeat the previous ones, saving considerable bandwidth and scroll time.
> You could use the same subject in the subject line, so readers would
> know at a glance that it follows a thread.
> Just a suggestion.
> Chris Hukill
> do not archive
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Anatomically speaking, the carpal tunnel is in the wrist! So unless you have
an unusual way of using a keyboard, you're much more likely to develop it
from bucking thousands of rivets.
Indran
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... I am developing carpal tunnel in my scrolling finger ...
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
On my -9A I installed the Static kit from SafeAir1 and I am glad I
did. When I had my pitot/static/transponder test done, the tech found
no leaks and commented that the number one problem that he sees with
RV avionics is the use of those pop rivets. He couldn't imagine why
someone would spend so much money on an airplane and nice avionics
only to attach it to a cheap and unreliable static source.
Anyways, I'm sure there are folks who use the pop rivets with
success. But I will be going with the SafeAir1 kit for the -10.
By the way, I'll be up at Oshkosh all week, camping with the -9A in
the homebuilt camping area.
Regards,
Mike Schipper
RV-10 #40576 - Emp - www.rvten.com
RV-9A N63MS - Flying - www.my9a.com
On Jul 18, 2006, at 12:00 AM, David Maib wrote:
> I have read some comments that seem to say that the Vans static
> port kit is actually very accurate in spite of being cheap and
> simple. Does anybody have any comparison with the Aircraft Spruce
> and other more sophisticated systems? I know they look way better,
> but am interested in performance.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Tim,
I have heard other problems with the posts, I am using EarthLink mail page online,
is there something else I should do? I would hate to think my incredibly valuable
and informative posts are being for naught!! :)
And your #1 on my hit list to visit at OSH, maybe we can have a James McClow memory
flashback with all the people who he was near and dear to.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Bob will fly, that is if he can ever get the Cosmo off his bench!!!
It is a pretty color red though :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Message Posting & Oshkosh |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
We should endow the "James McClow Educational Center" at Oshkosh or
something . . .
Or at least hoist a beer . . .
P.S. Looks like my "life coach" has given my permission to make a short
trip up to OSH. I'll be in Tuesday pm to Wednesday pm . . .
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:44 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Tim,
I have heard other problems with the posts, I am using EarthLink mail
page online, is there something else I should do? I would hate to think
my incredibly valuable and informative posts are being for naught!! :)
And your #1 on my hit list to visit at OSH, maybe we can have a James
McClow memory flashback with all the people who he was near and dear to.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Electric Load analysis |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Conti, Rick" <rick.conti@boeing.com>
> The voltage drop on a 12 volt system when the starter
> is cranking is sufficient to "reboot" any electronics that are
> operating. That is why I opted for a 24 volt system.
My GRT EIS has never rebooted during 12v. engine cranking, though if I happen to
have left the GX60 on during a start, the GPS/Comm will occasionally do so while
cranking the engine. Risk of this probably depends upon the particular EFIS
unit you have.
The Grand Rapids engine monitor has been the absolutely most rock stable and reliable
electronic system in the airplane, which is one of the reasons I chose
to go with their EFIS also for the -10. (Don't know yet if the EFIS will be as
resistant to voltage sags as the EIS is.)
-Dan Masys
40448
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| Subject: | Re: Message Posting & Oshkosh |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Very Awesome Tim, glad you'll make it. Are you going to be
able to be there before the field opens for departures Tuesday?
Coincidently, I'm heading home after the field opens Tuesday
and coming back Thursday a.m. bright and early. I'd hate
to miss the chance to meet you.
Rick, I don't know what to tell ya about the earthlink mail
page. It may be that you can set it up to quote the original
message in a reply, and then you could trim it. Not sure if
it would be a setting on that system or not.
RE: James McClow, that sounds like a great topic to reminisce
about when we gather in mass...although you lose some of the
effect when you can't see the splelling of the werds. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
> We should endow the "James McClow Educational Center" at Oshkosh or
> something . . .
>
> Or at least hoist a beer . . .
>
> P.S. Looks like my "life coach" has given my permission to make a short
> trip up to OSH. I'll be in Tuesday pm to Wednesday pm . . .
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:44 AM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> Tim,
>
> I have heard other problems with the posts, I am using EarthLink mail
> page online, is there something else I should do? I would hate to think
> my incredibly valuable and informative posts are being for naught!! :)
>
> And your #1 on my hit list to visit at OSH, maybe we can have a James
> McClow memory flashback with all the people who he was near and dear to.
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Chris Hukill wrote:
>>Fellow posters
>><...snip...>
>>...I am developing carpal tunnel in my scrolling finger trying to get thru all
the repeats of the previous poster's comments.
RV10'ers,
From the List Usage Guidelines ( http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm ):
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
Sums it up! Trim that rascal!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
"Any minute now somebody's bound to start discussing priming or not, types of
primers/paints,"
Priming? You mean people are actually applying some sort of primer? Where does
it go? On the inside or outside before you paint the airframe prior to the first
flight?
"If theres a pot, I'll stir it!!" :)
Rick S.
40185
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Seconding the motion for the James McClow Educational Center. I miss
the guy. Look forward to seeing all of you.
John - $00.02
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:00 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
<Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
We should endow the "James McClow Educational Center" at Oshkosh or
something . . .
Or at least hoist a beer . . .
P.S. Looks like my "life coach" has given my permission to make a short
trip up to OSH. I'll be in Tuesday pm to Wednesday pm . . .
TDT
40025
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:44 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Tim,
I have heard other problems with the posts, I am using EarthLink mail
page online, is there something else I should do? I would hate to think
my incredibly valuable and informative posts are being for naught!! :)
And your #1 on my hit list to visit at OSH, maybe we can have a James
McClow memory flashback with all the people who he was near and dear to.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
I asked them down at Ace Hardware what was the best exterior primer, and
they said "Definitely oil-based", so I got 8 gallons of Glidden. Goes
on smooth, but really makes a mess of your brushes . . . !
TDT
40025
Do not archive, please!
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:01 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
"Any minute now somebody's bound to start discussing priming or not,
types of
primers/paints,"
Priming? You mean people are actually applying some sort of primer?
Where does it go? On the inside or outside before you paint the airframe
prior to the first flight?
"If theres a pot, I'll stir it!!" :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Message Posting & Oshkosh |
--> RV10-List message posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
John W. Cox wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
>Seconding the motion for the James McClow Educational Center. I miss
>the guy. Look forward to seeing all of you.
>
>John - $00.02
>
I tried to find him because he also sold air conditioning units .... and
was looking to see what I'd need in my shop. What I got from googling
was a lot of negative press. Has anyone kept in touch???
Linn ..... trimming per Matt!
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| Subject: | Re: NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David Hertner" <effectus@rogers.com>
"If theres a pot, I'll stir it!!"
Is there a workshop on pot stirring that I can take some where?
do not archive
Dave Hertner
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
There are thousands of RVs with Vans static kits. We never had a
problem.
Chris
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----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Schipper
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Ports
On my -9A I installed the Static kit from SafeAir1 and I am glad I
did. When I had my pitot/static/transponder test done, the tech found no
leaks and commented that the number one problem that he sees with RV
avionics is the use of those pop rivets. He couldn't imagine why someone
would spend so much money on an airplane and nice avionics only to
attach it to a cheap and unreliable static source.
Anyways, I'm sure there are folks who use the pop rivets with success.
But I will be going with the SafeAir1 kit for the -10.
By the way, I'll be up at Oshkosh all week, camping with the -9A in
the homebuilt camping area.
Regards,
Mike Schipper
RV-10 #40576 - Emp - www.rvten.com
RV-9A N63MS - Flying - www.my9a.com
On Jul 18, 2006, at 12:00 AM, David Maib wrote:
I have read some comments that seem to say that the Vans static port
kit is actually very accurate in spite of being cheap and simple. Does
anybody have any comparison with the Aircraft Spruce and other more
sophisticated systems? I know they look way better, but am interested in
performance.
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| Subject: | NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Ya, I'm teaching it! Class cost is a fifth of quality Tequila or Vodka.
Woohoo
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Hertner
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:43 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David Hertner" <effectus@rogers.com>
"If theres a pot, I'll stir it!!"
Is there a workshop on pot stirring that I can take some where?
do not archive
Dave Hertner
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
You obviously have not talked to ALL those who tried to use, didn't like
the looks of, had to change, repair, re-attach and/or modify the
'cheapo" way.
"We never had a problem", ya'll must have a mouse in your pocket.
I haven't keep track over the years how many have looked over our set up
at fly-ins, airshow, OSH etc & then asked for a parts list & how to
install instructions.
It's all in what you want in a finished product, that's why it's called
an "experimental" aircraft. To borrow from a Burger King slogan "You
build it your way". KABONG 8*) HRII Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris , Susie Darcy
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
There are thousands of RVs with Vans static kits. We never had a
problem.
Chris
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From: Michael Schipper
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Ports
On my -9A I installed the Static kit from SafeAir1 and I am glad I
did.
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| Subject: | Dumb question (another) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
OK I'm going to expose my ignorance yet one more time. I'm still
planning my electrical/panel installation and I recall seeing pictures
of some device that I believe was a part of the electrical system that
was encased in plastic and mounted on the firewall/sub-panel (sorry
that's as descriptive as I can recall) I can't recall what the device's
function was or what it was called, but somewhere in the crevesases of
my mind, I filled a 'I need one of those' and now that I'm into the
planning/ordering, I have this uneasy feling that I'm missing something.
Can someone help me out?
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Dumb question (another) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
ANL current-limiting device (a.k.a. big-a** fuse). These look like
"blades" and can be held in an open holder, or a plastic enclosed
holder. Car stereo outfits sell all kinds of cool plastic enclosures,
or B&C sells the basic open holder. Under the cowl, I'd go with the
enclosed holder. (or you could build an aluminum enclosure if you were
so inclined.)
TDT
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:31 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
OK I'm going to expose my ignorance yet one more time. I'm still
planning my electrical/panel installation and I recall seeing pictures
of some device that I believe was a part of the electrical system that
was encased in plastic and mounted on the firewall/sub-panel (sorry
that's as descriptive as I can recall) I can't recall what the device's
function was or what it was called, but somewhere in the crevesases of
my mind, I filled a 'I need one of those' and now that I'm into the
planning/ordering, I have this uneasy feling that I'm missing something.
Can someone help me out?
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
It appears that there is only one hole in the bulkhead (for the rear spar)
on each side for wires to pass for and aft. Is this adequate? Has anyone had
to make provisions for additional wires? What did you do?
Albert Gardner
40-422
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
I'd assume it doesn't really matter. Can't the cosmo be just as happy
burning 100LL as MoGas? I'd think the same is true of the Subie, but
perhaps I'm wrong. One of the advantages, at least as I see it, to the
low compression lycosaurs (ie - the 235HP B4B5) is the ability to burn
MoGas or 100LL or any combination inbetween.
-Brian
#40497
N211BD
Iowa City, IA
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From: GRANSCOTT@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials
Bob when you do a XC in the RV 10, how many airports will be stocking
Mogas?
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb question (another) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Great!
Where are they used? What determined whether or not they are needed?
THANKS
Deems
Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>
>
>ANL current-limiting device (a.k.a. big-a** fuse). These look like
>"blades" and can be held in an open holder, or a plastic enclosed
>holder. Car stereo outfits sell all kinds of cool plastic enclosures,
>or B&C sells the basic open holder. Under the cowl, I'd go with the
>enclosed holder. (or you could build an aluminum enclosure if you were
>so inclined.)
>
>TDT
>
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| Subject: | Re: Message Posting & Oshkosh |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Last I heard he was doing web design and was being charged by the Florida D.A.
for allegedly contracting without a license. All info was on the web so you know
it must be true ;)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
"I asked them down at Ace Hardware what was the best exterior primer, and
they said "Definitely oil-based", so I got 8 gallons of Glidden. Goes
on smooth, but really makes a mess of your brushes . . . ! "
Oh boy com'on everybody knows you use a roller....the white primer takes the alodine
well though and makes for a nicer golden color that alodining first.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Posted by Bob K.
"There is enough support out there for the Cosmo that I have very little fear
in the engine."
Therein lies my predicament, since Bob and I are good friends as well as business
partners his engine choice has resulted in my signifigant others "ban" on letting
me fly with him in his -10. So we will take both airplanes to the flyins.
At least that way he will have a sure fire ride home :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb question (another) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Never mind, I found the answer in My Aero Electric manual
Deems Davis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> Great!
>
> Where are they used? What determined whether or not they are needed?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Benua <danbenua@yahoo.com>
I installed fancy flush static ports in my RV-6A, and
they worked fine until it started raining. As water
droplets ran along the fuselage in flight, they wicked
into the static port holes and caused dramatic (~200')
altimeter and VSI gyrations. Since I was on an IMC
approach at the time, I felt that a fix was needed.
I solved it by drilling out the hole in each static
port, installing an LP4-3 pop rivet, and driving out
the mandrel; just like Van's suggested. The head of
the pop-rivet protruding above the skin surface is
just enough to keep the water drops away from the vent
hole.
On my RV-10 (not yet flying) I chose a compromise
solution. I installed the pop-rivet static port as
per plans, but on the inside of the tailcone behind
each port I riveted fuel tank drain flanges (available
from Van's). This allows for the installation of
threaded fittings (Nylo-Seal 269-N 04x02) that
transition to poly tubing (Poly-Flow 44-P). This
solution gives a secure connection and a proven port
profile; and a very low cost.
- Dan Benua
#40001
finish & fwf
> I have read some comments that seem to say that the
Vans static port
kit is actually very accurate in spite of being
cheap and simple.
Does anybody have any comparison with the
Aircraft Spruce and other
more sophisticated systems? I know they look way
better, but am
interested in performance.
David Maib
40559 tailcone
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
You mean next to the rear seats, correct?
Yeah, you don't get much. You can probably run a conduit
behind the armrest wall area on the right side and add a
small one from front to tail if you wish.
What I opted to do was run 2 nice big conduits, one on each side.
I have lots and lots of wires, and it held what I needed, but
my conduits are 1" I.D. On my site I have the conduit type
listed....really nice stuff. If you go smaller, I'd add the
one on the sidewall for sure.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Albert Gardner wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
>
> It appears that there is only one hole in the bulkhead (for the rear spar)
> on each side for wires to pass for and aft. Is this adequate? Has anyone had
> to make provisions for additional wires? What did you do?
> Albert Gardner
> 40-422
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
>
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> Oh boy com'on everybody knows you use a roller....the white primer takes the
alodine well though and makes for a nicer golden color that alodining first.
Actually, I did use a roller for the first coat of UV smooth prime on the cowl, ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/09-28290.php ) and found it was a great way to fill pinholes and build up the surface for sanding.
It is in fact a good white primer for fiberglas surfaces, no joke.
-Dan Masys
40448
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| Subject: | James McClow Educational Center |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com>
Roger that! James is missed.
Thats one way to test for the "Oldies" and the "Newbies"
Can you tell I just had a birthday!
Jim C
40192
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===========================================================
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Seconding the motion for the James McClow Educational Center. I miss
the guy. Look forward to seeing all of you.
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| Subject: | Re: Roller painting |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
"Actually, I did use a roller for the first coat of UV smooth prime on the cowl"
You are correct sir!!! That is the best way to apply that product, after I posted
my little humorless response I remembered that product and it's application
with a roller.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: James McClow Educational Center |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Roger that! James is missed.
Thats one way to test for the "Oldies" and the "Newbies"
Maybe we can have a "family affair story telling hour"
Or how about a SPELLING BEE!!!! Only you have to spell jest lke jAmEs...
With the correct amount of beer and for Tim, Tequila and Vodka this could be quite
fun!!!
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
Ok your right Im wrong!
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----- Original Message -----
From: JOHN STARN
To: rv10-list@matronics.com ; rv-list
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Ports
You obviously have not talked to ALL those who tried to use, didn't
like the looks of, had to change, repair, re-attach and/or modify the
'cheapo" way.
"We never had a problem", ya'll must have a mouse in your pocket.
I haven't keep track over the years how many have looked over our set
up at fly-ins, airshow, OSH etc & then asked for a parts list & how to
install instructions.
It's all in what you want in a finished product, that's why it's
called an "experimental" aircraft. To borrow from a Burger King slogan
"You build it your way". KABONG 8*) HRII Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris , Susie Darcy
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
There are thousands of RVs with Vans static kits. We never had a
problem.
Chris
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----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Schipper
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Static Ports
On my -9A I installed the Static kit from SafeAir1 and I am glad I
did.
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| Subject: | Electric Load analysis |
Deems,
Thanks for initiating this and providing another example of a load analysis.
I have enclosed a copy of my load analysis and wire list. I have not
verified every item and would really appreciate anyone's comments or
corrections. I too am looking at the Z13 2-alternator design. I need to
credit Tim O and others for originating and refining these spreadsheets (but
I don't guarantee the loads are all correct).
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Finish kit - gear legs and wheels
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:49 PM
I'm starting to get serious about the electrical system, and have put
together an initial cut at a load analysis for my electrical system. I
don't recall seeing any posts previously that contained similar information,
however with 37 flying examples I'm sure that there are some 'proven'
examples. I'm leaning towards the Aero Electric Z13/20 architecture at the
moment (had been planning on a Z14 but think it's overkill for me), which
includes the endurance buss concept w/ a back-up alternator.
I , for one would be REALLY excited to see ANY examples of what other
builders have done (or are contemplating) in the way of their load analysis.
I'm attaching a copy of my initial spreadsheet, and would welcome any review
/ critique that others may offer. Just remember that I'm no Sparky either
and all this electron stuff is 'magic' to me. So be gentle with any
critique. O:-)
THANKS
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse/Finishing
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb question (another) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Deems,
Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but if it's
the thing on this page:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20060115/index.html
...then that's my ANL fuse.
Is that it?
I think Michael Sausen just mentioned them today.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Deems Davis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> OK I'm going to expose my ignorance yet one more time. I'm still
> planning my electrical/panel installation and I recall seeing pictures
> of some device that I believe was a part of the electrical system that
> was encased in plastic and mounted on the firewall/sub-panel (sorry
> that's as descriptive as I can recall) I can't recall what the device's
> function was or what it was called, but somewhere in the crevesases of
> my mind, I filled a 'I need one of those' and now that I'm into the
> planning/ordering, I have this uneasy feling that I'm missing something.
> Can someone help me out?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> Fuse
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb question (another) |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
That's it
THANKS
Deems
Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
>
> Deems,
>
> Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but if it's
> the thing on this page:
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20060115/index.html
>
> ...then that's my ANL fuse.
>
> Is that it?
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| Subject: | Re: Dumb question (another) |
You sure this was an ANL fuse an not an Essential Bus Diode? This is used to prevent
the drain of an Essential Bus Battery by non-essential bus devices in the
event of a main alternator or battery failure.
<http://www.bandcspecialty.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?7X358218#D221-201>
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>Where are they used? What determined whether or not they are needed?
>
>THANKS
>
>Deems
>
>Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:
>
>>--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" ><Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
>>
>>
>>ANL current-limiting device (a.k.a. big-a** fuse). These look like
>>"blades" and can be held in an open holder, or a plastic enclosed
>>holder.
William
40237 - SB Fuselage
http://nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
There is always the option to put in 100 LL, but more than I first thought.
The price differential of my engine will pay for a lot of 100 LL and the
overhaul costs will pay for a lot more.
Bob K
The engine and finish kit
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:54 AM
Bob when you do a XC in the RV 10, how many airports will be stocking Mogas?
Patrick
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One should not scroll with the middle finger anyway.
LOL
Bob K
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Chelvanayagam
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:45 AM
Anatomically speaking, the carpal tunnel is in the wrist! So unless you have
an unusual way of using a keyboard, you're much more likely to develop it
from bucking thousands of rivets.
Indran
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... I am developing carpal tunnel in my scrolling finger ...
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves" <dav1111@cox.net>
And both of them will most likely ask me for their ride home!!!
At least they better ask for a ride home or I might just leave them at some
wayward airport.
Two good guys even if they are both a little crazy.
Russ Daves
N710RV
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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:37 PM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
>
> Posted by Bob K.
>
> "There is enough support out there for the Cosmo that I have very little
> fear
> in the engine."
>
> Therein lies my predicament, since Bob and I are good friends as well as
> business partners his engine choice has resulted in my signifigant others
> "ban" on letting me fly with him in his -10. So we will take both
> airplanes to the flyins. At least that way he will have a sure fire ride
> home :)
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
And silver, Rick, its two tone. Hoping to get it all together this weekend.
All 4 major parts.
Bob K
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:52 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Bob will fly, that is if he can ever get the Cosmo off his bench!!!
It is a pretty color red though :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Message Posting & Oshkosh |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
I move for hoist a beer. There are some incredible Wisconsin beers.
Bob K
114 in the garage, almost cool enough to go out and start working.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:00 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
We should endow the "James McClow Educational Center" at Oshkosh or
something . . .
Or at least hoist a beer . . .
P.S. Looks like my "life coach" has given my permission to make a short
trip up to OSH. I'll be in Tuesday pm to Wednesday pm . . .
TDT
40025
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:44 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Tim,
I have heard other problems with the posts, I am using EarthLink mail
page online, is there something else I should do? I would hate to think
my incredibly valuable and informative posts are being for naught!! :)
And your #1 on my hit list to visit at OSH, maybe we can have a James
McClow memory flashback with all the people who he was near and dear to.
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Message Posting & Oshkosh |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
What I really miss besides the spelling is the web cam. Remember how we
could look around the shop, and also the one in the house, which only lasted
a few days. Something about wifeal privacy I believe.
Bob K
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:42 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Very Awesome Tim, glad you'll make it. Are you going to be
able to be there before the field opens for departures Tuesday?
Coincidently, I'm heading home after the field opens Tuesday
and coming back Thursday a.m. bright and early. I'd hate
to miss the chance to meet you.
Rick, I don't know what to tell ya about the earthlink mail
page. It may be that you can set it up to quote the original
message in a reply, and then you could trim it. Not sure if
it would be a setting on that system or not.
RE: James McClow, that sounds like a great topic to reminisce
about when we gather in mass...although you lose some of the
effect when you can't see the splelling of the werds. ;)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend"
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> P.S. Looks like my "life coach" has given my permission to make a short
> trip up to OSH. I'll be in Tuesday pm to Wednesday pm . . .
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> TDT
> 40025
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:44 AM
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
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> page online, is there something else I should do? I would hate to think
> my incredibly valuable and informative posts are being for naught!! :)
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> And your #1 on my hit list to visit at OSH, maybe we can have a James
> McClow memory flashback with all the people who he was near and dear to.
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> 40185
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| Subject: | NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
You are supposed to use rollers. And don't forget to prime all the rivets
after you soak them in MEK.
Bob K
I to miss James
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Dawson-Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:21 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson@Avidyne.com>
I asked them down at Ace Hardware what was the best exterior primer, and
they said "Definitely oil-based", so I got 8 gallons of Glidden. Goes
on smooth, but really makes a mess of your brushes . . . !
TDT
40025
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:01 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
"Any minute now somebody's bound to start discussing priming or not,
types of
primers/paints,"
Priming? You mean people are actually applying some sort of primer?
Where does it go? On the inside or outside before you paint the airframe
prior to the first flight?
"If theres a pot, I'll stir it!!" :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | NO LONGER Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
How about the classic fighter pilot Jeriamiah Weed.
Bob K
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:19 AM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Ya, I'm teaching it! Class cost is a fifth of quality Tequila or Vodka.
Woohoo
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Hertner
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:43 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "David Hertner" <effectus@rogers.com>
"If theres a pot, I'll stir it!!"
Is there a workshop on pot stirring that I can take some where?
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Dave Hertner
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
Actually the real truth is I have been known to fly with the shiny side down
and some people don't like looking down to see up or visa versa. Its only a
momentary thing and lots of fun. Kind of like cloud dancing.
Bob K
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-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:37 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
Posted by Bob K.
"There is enough support out there for the Cosmo that I have very little
fear
in the engine."
Therein lies my predicament, since Bob and I are good friends as well as
business partners his engine choice has resulted in my signifigant others
"ban" on letting me fly with him in his -10. So we will take both airplanes
to the flyins. At least that way he will have a sure fire ride home :)
Rick S.
40185
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| Subject: | Two great topics |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@itecusa.org>
Well, I've searched the archives, and can't find much on either priming or
alternative engines. Can some of you all give me your thoughts on these
two issues, and maybe throw in a suggestion of whether or not to use
proseal on the trailing edges?
Thanks. Newbie here. :-)
In all seriousness, though, if I didn't have anything to do for a couple
of days, I think it might be interesting reading all of the posts on the
Subie issue. Let's get them flying, get a couple of thousand hours on
them and then compare total cost of ownership.
Oh, and I really am a big fan of the Akzo Nobel two-part primer from
Spruce. Can't beat the stuff.
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Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
---- "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net> wrote:
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> Actually the real truth is I have been known to fly with the shiny side down
> and some people don't like looking down to see up or visa versa. Its only a
> momentary thing and lots of fun. Kind of like cloud dancing.
Spent my most recent BFR in the -7A with a CFI who is also a pro airshow pilot.
Since I was IFR current, he said 'let's just do some stick and rudder flying'
and we spent most of the hour aloft polishing the fine technique for aileron
rolls. I already know I'm gonna miss that a little when the -10 eventually takes
the place of the -7. Shiny side down for a bit is way fun. Are we sure
you can't roll a -10? Aileron and barrel rolls are both 1G manuvers...
Just kidding (I think ;-) )
-Dan Masys
40448
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Erickson" <john.erickson@cox.net>
"Are we sure you can't roll a -10? Aileron and barrel rolls are both 1G
manuvers...
Just kidding (I think ;-) )
-Dan Masys
40448"
Oh boy, you had to go start this debate again. Anyone who knew James McClow
heard this one to. I think the -10 will fly fine in an aileron roll. But
only if it's primed with a good rolled-on coat of Glidden. Would be better
though if it was a taildragger...
John
(ducking and taking cover)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
I'm amazed that that one got by with out flame on. Maybe I'm to quick on
the burner tonight.
Bob K
Donning asbestos suit
Do not archive, either, see you all at OSH on Wednesday night.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Erickson
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:48 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Erickson" <john.erickson@cox.net>
"Are we sure you can't roll a -10? Aileron and barrel rolls are both 1G
manuvers...
Just kidding (I think ;-) )
-Dan Masys
40448"
Oh boy, you had to go start this debate again. Anyone who knew James McClow
heard this one to. I think the -10 will fly fine in an aileron roll. But
only if it's primed with a good rolled-on coat of Glidden. Would be better
though if it was a taildragger...
John
(ducking and taking cover)
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
Dan Masys wrote:
>--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
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>---- "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net> wrote:
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>>Actually the real truth is I have been known to fly with the shiny side down
>>and some people don't like looking down to see up or visa versa. Its only a
>>momentary thing and lots of fun. Kind of like cloud dancing.
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>Spent my most recent BFR in the -7A with a CFI who is also a pro airshow pilot.
Since I was IFR current, he said 'let's just do some stick and rudder flying'
and we spent most of the hour aloft polishing the fine technique for aileron
rolls. I already know I'm gonna miss that a little when the -10 eventually
takes the place of the -7. Shiny side down for a bit is way fun. Are we sure
you can't roll a -10? Aileron and barrel rolls are both 1G manuvers...
>
>Just kidding (I think ;-) )
>
>-Dan Masys
>40448
>
Actually Dan ...... just about anything can be rolled. In a -10 all you
need is sufficient airspeed, sufficient up angle on the nose before you
start the roll, and maybe a little rudder to get the tail around.
You're correct about a barrel roll. It can (and should be) a 1 G
maneuver, but a good aileron roll will force you to push when inverted
....... and push a lot without a symmetrical airfoil wing ...... which
puts you in negative G territory. I'm sure someone will roll a -10 and
maybe even loop it. But that's an experiment that I'll leave to others.
I'm a little older and a little wiser now.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Static Ports |
On 7/18/06 1046AM Michael Schipper wrote:
On my -9A I installed the Static kit from SafeAir1 and I am glad I did.
I used the SafeAir1 pitot static kit as well. Very easy to install and
a real time saver. All the normal fittings are included in the kit and
so far all of the necessary conversion couplings to go from aluminum to
SafeAir and from SafeAir lines to various components are available.
With all the new avionics people are using there are more and more pitot
static drops required I.E. AOA, TruTrak ADI, encoder, stby instruments,
AHARS, etc. I "stacked" the T drop fittings on top of each other on a
longer screw attached to the bottom flange of the subpanel. This
created a compact pitot and stactic "manifold" for the various required
"drops."
Dick Sipp
40065 finishing
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Oh....I can say the -10 rolls just beautifully......
Cheers,
Stein.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Masys
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:33 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
---- "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Actually the real truth is I have been known to fly with the shiny side down
> and some people don't like looking down to see up or visa versa. Its only a
> momentary thing and lots of fun. Kind of like cloud dancing.
Spent my most recent BFR in the -7A with a CFI who is also a pro airshow pilot.
Since I was IFR current, he said 'let's just do some stick and rudder flying'
and we spent most of the hour aloft polishing the fine technique for aileron
rolls. I already know I'm gonna miss that a little when the -10 eventually takes
the place of the -7. Shiny side down for a bit is way fun. Are we sure
you can't roll a -10? Aileron and barrel rolls are both 1G manuvers...
Just kidding (I think ;-) )
-Dan Masys
40448
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| Subject: | The Final OSH countdown begins - Long, but sweet |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Well, we made it down to the last few days before OSH. Many good
things are in the works, and from the chatter on the list you can
tell people are getting a bit giddy with excitement. Yes, I
mean you guys from Las Vegas especially. ;)
So far, there are roughly 157 people on the RV-10 OSH list.
27 of those are people who were on the list last year but didn't send
in anything this year. Some may be flying (in fact, I know at least
one is) 34 of them are people who can't make it to the show this
year and who will be dying for us to take photos. That leaves
just under 100 RV-10 builders on the list confirmed as going to OSH.
Of those 96, there are 8 of them who will be there with an RV-10,
and in Jesse's case, a possibility of bringing a pair. That's
pretty good for an impromptu list....about 1/4 of the 610 kits out
there are accounted for in this list.
I'm sorry to act like a self-appointed leader of the group...really,
I wish I was just along for the ride, but I have always found that
in loosely knit groups, someone has to grab the reins and coordinate,
for the good of the community...and in the end, everyone benefits
from a slightly closer-knit group. I say this because I don't want
to put people off by seeming somehow to be "in charge" of something...
I just want to be part of the glue that keeps us together.
In that respect, I want you to also know about the opportunities for
this week that are now falling into place.
DAILY: At 10am each day, the RV-10 builders who want to, will gather
in the area in front of Van's booth. There were a few requests for
2 meeting times, so let's make the 2nd one be 2pm. The 2pm one may
not be as large, as many people may be scattered by then, but it will
provide a nice way to jump in and hear the rumors of where people
will be at the end of the day.
NIGHTLY: Boy are we lucky we have some great members! Bob Condrey
has already landed in EAA's Camp Scholler, and snagged a few consecutive
campsites for himself (Motorhome), Gary Specketer (Motorhome, landing
on 7/19), and myself. There may be opportunities for him to save
you a spot adjoining, or at least near the area, if you contact him.
This area we will know as "RV-10 HQ", as during non-show hours, we'll
be spending a lot of time there entertaining. Bob has provided a
general map of the campsite here:
(For OSH list members) http://www.myrv10.com/osh/RV10_HQ.jpg
(For non-list members) http://www.myrv10.com/osh2/RV10_HQ.jpg
The area is said to be partially shaded, and as you can see, it's very
near the airfield, and not a long walk to the 4 central hangers in
aeroshell square. You are welcome to swing by after the show any
evening and you will very likely find people there to talk to.
There may be a few times where we head out to dinner as a group
too, and we welcome all comers. During the week, feel free to
contact Gary, Bob, or myself at our cell numbers on the OSH list
if you need help finding this place.
WEDNESDAY @ 10am: Van's RV-10 forum (and other side-by-side models)
in Honda Pavilion Tent 7. This has been OK in the past. I myself
won't be there that day, but usually you'll see some -10 people
hanging out after the forum.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT: Bob Collin's RV BBQ. See here for more info:
http://home.comcast.net/%7Ebcollinsrv7a/eaa/2006bbq.html
If we get better coordinated, perhaps we can do a -10 version
of this next year.
THURSDAY NIGHT: Van's RV Banquet
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?&browse=new&product=oshkosh-06
Surprising to me, but there are a gosh darn lot of RV-10 people
including myself who will be at the banquet. I've never been there
before, so I can't give details, but I know you must pre-purchase your
tickets if interested. 6pm, EAA Nature Center Tent #2 on field.
RANDOM: Everyone will be watching planes, spending way too much
money in hangers A thru D, and gawking at all of the various RV
paint jobs, and the completed -10's. I plan to hang out a lot at
my plane, under a canopy this time instead of playing Chinese
Sun torture. I'll be parking in HBP (Homebuilt Parking) during
the show. (http://www.myrv10.com/osh2/shade.jpg) I'm bringing
a couple extra chairs, for people to hang out. I do have one
rule though for people who come.....don't just hang out there
and let one single person manopolize....if you come up and want
to say something, just bust right in and say "Hi". Everyone should
be welcome to join in and be a part of the family. My wife will
probably be there with me much of the time, and as long as you're
not too young, muscular, and good looking with more hair than me,
you're welcome to talk to her too. In the latter half (Thurs - Sat)
of the week, I'll probably spend slightly less time near the plane,
as I'll have kids along. If you have kids along, bring 'em on
over and we can get them all hanging out. Perhaps we can send
the significant other parents with the kids over to KidVenture
or some other cool activity. There will also be other RV-10
builders at the show who will likely be more than happy to
show off their planes. We'll probably be in the same general
areas of the HBP and HBC areas (parking and camping).
SPEAKING OF PARKING: Jeff Point is still hoping to get any
headcount he can on RV-10's coming to OSH, and if they will
be parking or camping. There is no reserved area, but they
will be trying to have an area with slightly larger parking
and camping slots, and they want to make sure they allocate
enough room for our RV-10's. He's the guy in charge of these
areas, so I'm trying to get the info and just turn over
a count to him. Surprisingly, if we only have 8 planes on the
list, that makes it just a fraction of the 37 flying listed
on Van's site. Alex De Dominicis will have his RV-10 at Van's
booth, so go look at his as well. He has A/C installed...which
is my personal guess as to what the "significant" new product
news is all about at Van's.
AS FOR THE OSH/BUILDERS LIST: I plan to keep the list going, so
as you complete kit sections, or especially, as you do your first
flights, if you let me know, I'll update the list with your info.
It'll be a great long-term resource for people. If you haven't
yet updated or sent your stuff, you can go to:
http://www.MyRV10.com/osh.html and get it in. I will be adding
names up until about Saturday night or Sunday this week, but then
I'm heading out and probably won't get much email access for
the week. (Wednesday is an exception) So it's not too late yet.
It would be great to see some of the other 3/4's of the RV-10
community join in, but I understand that not everyone likes
being a part of a nice group of people. To each, his own....just
like our choices in engines, primer, and everything else we
do during our build. Once again, for the less current,
no-contact-info, sample list, go to: http://www.myrv10.com/osh2
For those who sign on the list, you'll get an email back
after I sign you on that has the info you need to access the
main OSH list at http://www.myrv10.com/osh I only do this to
help keep you from getting spam and phone spam after signing
onto the list. It's way too for web bots to get tons of email
addresses from a public list....so I keep it private.
So there you have it, the plan as I know it today. Everyone
who's coming, have a safe trip to the show, especially if
you're flying in. So far I have no takers to fly over together,
so I guess I'll just see everyone there. Weather permitting,
I'll be on-field by Monday a.m. 9am at the latest.
See you there,
Tim
PS: It's just surreal to know that last year my panel was
hanging out in Stein's booth, power wired only, and my engine
was sitting in Aerosport's booth. I came home after the show
and had a rush of motivation to start completing the canopy top,
doors, and windows in the August evening heat. It was the energy
of OSH 2005 that allowed me to pour on the nearly 1000 hours
that I put in between OSH and February to get things flying.
Let's hope we can stir up some of that motivation in those
who are building!
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "DejaVu" <wvu@ameritel.net>
Albert,
That is the only hole they give you and no it wasn't adequate for me.
Anh
#141
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> You mean next to the rear seats, correct?
> Yeah, you don't get much. You can probably run a conduit
> behind the armrest wall area on the right side and add a
> small one from front to tail if you wish.
>
> What I opted to do was run 2 nice big conduits, one on each side.
> I have lots and lots of wires, and it held what I needed, but
> my conduits are 1" I.D. On my site I have the conduit type
> listed....really nice stuff. If you go smaller, I'd add the
> one on the sidewall for sure.
>
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> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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> Albert Gardner wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@adelphia.net>
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>> It appears that there is only one hole in the bulkhead (for the rear
>> spar)
>> on each side for wires to pass for and aft. Is this adequate? Has anyone
>> had
>> to make provisions for additional wires? What did you do?
>> Albert Gardner
>> 40-422 Yuma, AZ
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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