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1. 01:47 AM - Re: 40Hrs & Numbers (Chris , Susie Darcy)
2. 06:35 AM - Re: Grommets (Tim Olson)
3. 09:34 AM - OSH Update 7/22/06 (bcondrey)
4. 09:34 AM - Re: 40Hrs & Numbers (Jesse Saint)
5. 10:49 AM - Re: OSH Update 7/22/06 (Tim Olson)
6. 01:12 PM - Re: RV-10 Kits (sketch2006@comcast.net)
7. 01:49 PM - OshKosh __Tunnel heat (Chris , Susie Darcy)
8. 03:20 PM - Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat (Dan Masys)
9. 03:31 PM - Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat (Mark Chamberlain)
10. 03:42 PM - Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat (Chris , Susie Darcy)
11. 03:48 PM - Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat (Chris , Susie Darcy)
12. 04:22 PM - Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat (Sean Blair)
13. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: OSH arrival (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
14. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: OSH arrival (Tim Olson)
15. 04:44 PM - N410MR First Flight (Mark Ritter)
16. 04:49 PM - Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat (David Maib)
17. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: OSH arrival (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
18. 05:10 PM - Starter Problem (Marcus Cooper)
19. 05:27 PM - Re: Re: OSH arrival (Tim Olson)
20. 07:45 PM - Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat (Mark Chamberlain)
21. 08:17 PM - RV-10 Builders Map (Jae Chang)
22. 08:56 PM - Re: RV-10 Builders Map (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: 40Hrs & Numbers |
Jesse what engine prop and weight is your 10?? Congratulations!
regards chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Saint
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: 40Hrs & Numbers
Well, the Hobbs says 40.0, so we are good for the flight to KOSH on
Sunday.
A few performance numbers:
8K feet 24=94 2400 10.5gph (50LOP) 157Kts (average of 4
directions)
10K feet 22=94 2200 10.0gph (20LOP) 163Kts
12K feet 20=94 2400 10.3gph (Peak) 165Kts
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Those grommets could be any size based on the builder. One bit of
advice...you're probably going to want some grommets of various
sizes as you get further along. You may want to purchase a
bunch with a little variety. I had to buy many extra for those
lightening holes in the vertical thin bulkheads on the fuselage
side below the door for wire passthroughs. Stein has lots
of grommets, and ACS has even more sizes. It's probably not too
critical to size the one you're worried about with tons
of accuracy. You can always use RTV to keep it sealed later
if needed. What I did for sizing some is to just cut little 3"
pieces of wire and when I knew I had all the sizes and quantities
that I'd need, I stuffed them through a grommet/conduit/hole
and tried it out. I dont' know if I put my pitot tube in the
same hole....I think I ran that separately just due to where
it wanted to come through.
I know that's not a real answer, just a theory, but it may help.
There's going to be a lot of improvising in the remaining steps
of the project.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Sean Blair wrote:
> Im working on the fuselage side skins and it says to enlarge the wire
> run hole to the wings and install grommets that can be purchased from
> Vans, but are not included in the kit. This is section 29-15.
>
>
>
> Can anyone make a recommendation what size hole and grommet part number
> works for this? I plan on installing Duckworks, Archers, LED
> indicators, strobes, etc. Basically the works. Do I run all
> electrical, coax, pitot, etc. through this hole?
>
>
>
> Thanks and have fun in OSH everyone.
>
>
>
> Sean Blair
>
> #40225
>
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| Subject: | OSH Update 7/22/06 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
As of yesterday afternoon there were 2 completed RV-10s here - Vic Syracuse's and
TruTrak's. Photo attached. Ken Forsythe also stopped by to say hi.
I'll try to get a picture posted each day for those that aren't going to make it
this year.
Bob #40105
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49290#49290
Attachments:
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TMXIO-540-D4A5 with Hartzell Blended Airfoil. Weight? Did you say
weight?
What=92s that? Man, I need to get a good set of scales one of these
days.
Without good scales, the estimated weight is about 1427 with just one
seat
in the front, nothing in the back, no close-out panels, no pants or
fairings, etc. Thanks.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris , Susie
Darcy
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:42 AM
Jesse what engine prop and weight is your 10?? Congratulations!
regards chris
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 10:31 AM
Well, the Hobbs says 40.0, so we are good for the flight to KOSH on
Sunday.
A few performance numbers:
8K feet 24=94 2400 10.5gph (50LOP) 157Kts (average of 4 directions)
10K feet 22=94 2200 10.0gph (20LOP) 163Kts
12K feet 20=94 2400 10.3gph (Peak) 165Kts
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
HYPERLINK "mailto:jesse@itecusa.org"jesse@itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Update 7/22/06 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Darn-it-all Bob, you're making me jealous. I'm moving my
departure up. I'll be there by 1:30 or 2 tomorrow.
If we can dump the kids tonight, we'll be there more like
8 or 9. It's like being 6 on the day before Christmas....
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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bcondrey wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> As of yesterday afternoon there were 2 completed RV-10s here - Vic Syracuse's
and TruTrak's. Photo attached. Ken Forsythe also stopped by to say hi.
>
> I'll try to get a picture posted each day for those that aren't going to make
it this year.
>
> Bob #40105
>
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Good Afternoon Lyle,
A couple of questions regarding your subject posting:
1. What is the labor worth (how much time has been spent assembling it so far)?
2. How much do you want for one of the RV-10 kits?
3. Is is worth me buying/renting a large trailer (& travelling to your site and
picking the kit up) or just have it shipped via truck/rail?
4. Will I still qualify for the 51% rule if I purchase a partially assembled RV
from you?
5. I presume that I could still obtain a repairmans certificate upon completion?
6. What paperwork comes with the sale?
7. What about taxes, I presume that there would be none, true?
8. Are there any restrictions with selecting an engine?
Appreciate your time,
Jim
-------------- Original message --------------
Chapter 237 in Minneapolis has RV-10 kits for sale. They include the empennage
which has been assembled, the Quick Build wing and fuselage kits. The latter
are still in the crates as shipped from Vans. An EAA Technical Counselor and
a two time RV builder pronounce the workmanship excellent on the tail feathers.
Contact below or atirburgess at msn.com for more information.
Lyle Peterson
lyleap at comcast.net
651-653-2063
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| Subject: | OshKosh __Tunnel heat |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
For those with flying RV10 that are going to Oshkosh if you are having
problems with tunnel heat can you bring it up at the forum please.
And those that are flying are you have serious issues with the
heat......theres been a lot of talk but just need the facts please ...yes no
fixed??
regards Chris
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| Subject: | Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
Just chatted at some length with Vic Syracuse about this here at OSH, and he for
sure has it fixed.
-Dan Masys
40448
---- "Chris wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> For those with flying RV10 that are going to Oshkosh if you are having
> problems with tunnel heat can you bring it up at the forum please.
>
> And those that are flying are you have serious issues with the
> heat......theres been a lot of talk but just need the facts please ...yes no
> fixed??
>
> regards Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
Chris, I have a flying 10 with 100hrs on it. I had no heat problems during
the winter but have had plenty during the hotter months in SoCal. I have
insulated the inside firewall and tunnel areas, firesleeved my tunnel fuel
lines, disconnected the heat box scat tubes (and run them overboard), and
extended my exhaust pipe( I have the original exhaust). None of these have
solved the problem. When I am done flying, the entire circumference of the
aircraft adjacent to the firewall is so hot you cannot touch the exterior. I
also believe I am experiencing more than the "normal" injected engine fuel
vapor problems that are sometimes present with hot engines. If you haven't
already, go on the Doug Reeves RV website and look at the forum threads for
the 10 and you will find talk relating to the tunnel heat issue. One guy
claims to have fixed the problem and goes on to explain how he did it by
insulating the belly on the outside as well as insulating the forward side
of the firewall. Although I believe his theory is absolutely correct
regarding the origination of the heat, I disagree that this is the final
solution. You can do several things to alleviate the problem, but in my
opinion the heat from the engine should not be that bad to begin with. In
other words, you can resolve the tunnel heat issue, but it seems to me that
there are factors ( maybe cowl design) that are not allowing the heat to
escape the cowl area, thereby heating up the stainless steel firewall. I
haven't seen any other RV models that have had to go to this length to keep
heat off the firewall. Even though other RV's don't have tunnels, i'm sure
if there was a lot of heat buildup on the other models, they would be
complaining. Makes me wonder why the 10 is the only model with the vents
under the cowl!! I am not an engineer, but it seems to me that the cowl
needs some sort of modification to get the proper press differential from
inlet to outlet that will help evacuate the engine heat better. Sorry to
ramble, hope this helps. I do believe the ball is in Vans'
court....especially with 600 kits sold. Mark (N104ML)
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| Subject: | Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Please do tell?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 8:15 AM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys@cox.net>
>
> Just chatted at some length with Vic Syracuse about this here at OSH, and
> he for sure has it fixed.
>
> -Dan Masys
> 40448
>
> ---- "Chris wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy"
>> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>>
>> For those with flying RV10 that are going to Oshkosh if you are having
>> problems with tunnel heat can you bring it up at the forum please.
>>
>> And those that are flying are you have serious issues with the
>> heat......theres been a lot of talk but just need the facts please ...yes
>> no
>> fixed??
>>
>> regards Chris
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris , Susie Darcy" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
Yes Mark I agree with you and I have seen and replied on Dougs site....I was
going to put a blanket on engine side of firewall but do not want to put
anything on the belly...so agree partial fix. I cant seem to find anything
over here so will probably have to import something like Kool-mat or the
like.
Chris
Australia
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 8:29 AM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
>
> Chris, I have a flying 10 with 100hrs on it. I had no heat problems during
> the winter but have had plenty during the hotter months in SoCal. I have
> insulated the inside firewall and tunnel areas, firesleeved my tunnel fuel
> lines, disconnected the heat box scat tubes (and run them overboard), and
> extended my exhaust pipe( I have the original exhaust). None of these have
> solved the problem. When I am done flying, the entire circumference of the
> aircraft adjacent to the firewall is so hot you cannot touch the exterior.
> I also believe I am experiencing more than the "normal" injected engine
> fuel vapor problems that are sometimes present with hot engines. If you
> haven't already, go on the Doug Reeves RV website and look at the forum
> threads for the 10 and you will find talk relating to the tunnel heat
> issue. One guy claims to have fixed the problem and goes on to explain how
> he did it by insulating the belly on the outside as well as insulating the
> forward side of the firewall. Although I believe his theory is absolutely
> correct regarding the origination of the heat, I disagree that this is the
> final solution. You can do several things to alleviate the problem, but in
> my opinion the heat from the engine should not be that bad to begin with.
> In other words, you can resolve the tunnel heat issue, but it seems to me
> that there are factors ( maybe cowl design) that are not allowing the heat
> to escape the cowl area, thereby heating up the stainless steel firewall.
> I haven't seen any other RV models that have had to go to this length to
> keep heat off the firewall. Even though other RV's don't have tunnels, i'm
> sure if there was a lot of heat buildup on the other models, they would be
> complaining. Makes me wonder why the 10 is the only model with the vents
> under the cowl!! I am not an engineer, but it seems to me that the cowl
> needs some sort of modification to get the proper press differential from
> inlet to outlet that will help evacuate the engine heat better. Sorry to
> ramble, hope this helps. I do believe the ball is in Vans'
> court....especially with 600 kits sold. Mark (N104ML)
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
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| Subject: | OshKosh __Tunnel heat |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Sean Blair" <seanblair@adelphia.net>
I ordered 3/4 inch Super Soundproofing for the front flooring. I haven't
installed it yet. One recommendation from the vendor was to place sheets of
Reynolds Aluminum down first before the soundproofing to help with the heat
aspects. Has anyone done this? What did you use for adhesion?
Thanks again,
Sean Blair
#40225
Yes Mark I agree with you and I have seen and replied on Dougs site....I was
going to put a blanket on engine side of firewall but do not want to put
anything on the belly...so agree partial fix. I cant seem to find anything
over here so will probably have to import something like Kool-mat or the
like.
Chris
Australia
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
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> Chris, I have a flying 10 with 100hrs on it. I had no heat problems during
> the winter but have had plenty during the hotter months in SoCal. I have
> insulated the inside firewall and tunnel areas, firesleeved my tunnel fuel
> lines, disconnected the heat box scat tubes (and run them overboard), and
> extended my exhaust pipe( I have the original exhaust). None of these have
> solved the problem. When I am done flying, the entire circumference of the
> aircraft adjacent to the firewall is so hot you cannot touch the exterior.
> I also believe I am experiencing more than the "normal" injected engine
> fuel vapor problems that are sometimes present with hot engines. If you
> haven't already, go on the Doug Reeves RV website and look at the forum
> threads for the 10 and you will find talk relating to the tunnel heat
> issue. One guy claims to have fixed the problem and goes on to explain how
> he did it by insulating the belly on the outside as well as insulating the
> forward side of the firewall. Although I believe his theory is absolutely
> correct regarding the origination of the heat, I disagree that this is the
> final solution. You can do several things to alleviate the problem, but in
> my opinion the heat from the engine should not be that bad to begin with.
> In other words, you can resolve the tunnel heat issue, but it seems to me
> that there are factors ( maybe cowl design) that are not allowing the heat
> to escape the cowl area, thereby heating up the stainless steel firewall.
> I haven't seen any other RV models that have had to go to this length to
> keep heat off the firewall. Even though other RV's don't have tunnels, i'm
> sure if there was a lot of heat buildup on the other models, they would be
> complaining. Makes me wonder why the 10 is the only model with the vents
> under the cowl!! I am not an engineer, but it seems to me that the cowl
> needs some sort of modification to get the proper press differential from
> inlet to outlet that will help evacuate the engine heat better. Sorry to
> ramble, hope this helps. I do believe the ball is in Vans'
> court....especially with 600 kits sold. Mark (N104ML)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Tim, we would like to join if possible, we will be in on Thursday, we
have a popup so need just a little room comparatively
THX
Dan
40269 (N289DT)
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:15 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Bob, Thanks again for grabbing that site for me. Looks like it
will do very nicely. If there's another camping RV-10 builder
who wants to join on the site, I can make mine look like I'm
by Gary's and we'll share. The more -10 builders, the merrier.
Just let us know.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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bcondrey wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey"
<bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
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> Sorry, no webcam but here are a couple of still shots. First one is
of our our sites. From right to left: my motorhome, Tim's site with a
canopy set up for additional shade, and Gary's motorhome with Gary in
front of it. We would have shown a mountain of beer cans but it's not
even 10:00 AM yet...
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> Second shot is our sign at the intersection of Lindbergh and 57th.
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I see no problems with that. It'll be nice to get to talk to you
at length in person. I'm just in a small tent, and the sites run
15 x 30 or so. So we should be OK. If there's another tent
that wants to join, we can probably accomodate that too. The
vehicles would be the hardest part.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
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> Tim, we would like to join if possible, we will be in on Thursday, we
> have a popup so need just a little room comparatively
> THX
> Dan
> 40269 (N289DT)
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> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:15 PM
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> Bob, Thanks again for grabbing that site for me. Looks like it
> will do very nicely. If there's another camping RV-10 builder
> who wants to join on the site, I can make mine look like I'm
> by Gary's and we'll share. The more -10 builders, the merrier.
> Just let us know.
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> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey"
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> of our our sites. From right to left: my motorhome, Tim's site with a
> canopy set up for additional shade, and Gary's motorhome with Gary in
> front of it. We would have shown a mountain of beer cans but it's not
> even 10:00 AM yet...
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| Subject: | Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat |
--> RV10-List message posted by: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
Are any RV-10's flying with the Sam James cowling, and if so, are
they having hot tunnel problems?
David Maib
Eagan, MN #40559
On Jul 22, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Mark Chamberlain wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain"
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Chris, I have a flying 10 with 100hrs on it. I had no heat problems
during the winter but have had plenty during the hotter months in
SoCal. I have insulated the inside firewall and tunnel areas,
firesleeved my tunnel fuel lines, disconnected the heat box scat
tubes (and run them overboard), and extended my exhaust pipe( I have
the original exhaust). None of these have solved the problem. When I
am done flying, the entire circumference of the aircraft adjacent to
the firewall is so hot you cannot touch the exterior. I also believe
I am experiencing more than the "normal" injected engine fuel vapor
problems that are sometimes present with hot engines. If you haven't
already, go on the Doug Reeves RV website and look at the forum
threads for the 10 and you will find talk relating to the tunnel heat
issue. One guy claims to have fixed the problem and goes on to
explain how he did it by insulating the belly on the outside as well
as insulating the forward side of the firewall. Although I believe
his theory is absolutely correct regarding the origination of the
heat, I disagree that this is the final solution. You can do several
things to alleviate the problem, but in my opinion the heat from the
engine should not be that bad to begin with. In other words, you can
resolve the tunnel heat issue, but it seems to me that there are
factors ( maybe cowl design) that are not allowing the heat to escape
the cowl area, thereby heating up the stainless steel firewall. I
haven't seen any other RV models that have had to go to this length
to keep heat off the firewall. Even though other RV's don't have
tunnels, i'm sure if there was a lot of heat buildup on the other
models, they would be complaining. Makes me wonder why the 10 is the
only model with the vents under the cowl!! I am not an engineer, but
it seems to me that the cowl needs some sort of modification to get
the proper press differential from inlet to outlet that will help
evacuate the engine heat better. Sorry to ramble, hope this helps. I
do believe the ball is in Vans' court....especially with 600 kits
sold. Mark (N104ML)
www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
wiki.matronics.com
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
Just let us know the address and we will call you as we get there
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:42 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
I see no problems with that. It'll be nice to get to talk to you
at length in person. I'm just in a small tent, and the sites run
15 x 30 or so. So we should be OK. If there's another tent
that wants to join, we can probably accomodate that too. The
vehicles would be the hardest part.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
<LloydDR@wernerco.com>
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> Tim, we would like to join if possible, we will be in on Thursday, we
> have a popup so need just a little room comparatively
> THX
> Dan
> 40269 (N289DT)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:15 PM
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Bob, Thanks again for grabbing that site for me. Looks like it
> will do very nicely. If there's another camping RV-10 builder
> who wants to join on the site, I can make mine look like I'm
> by Gary's and we'll share. The more -10 builders, the merrier.
> Just let us know.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey"
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>> Sorry, no webcam but here are a couple of still shots. First one is
> of our our sites. From right to left: my motorhome, Tim's site with a
> canopy set up for additional shade, and Gary's motorhome with Gary in
> front of it. We would have shown a mountain of beer cans but it's not
> even 10:00 AM yet...
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I finally got to start my engine today for the first time which was quite
motivational. However, after letting it run for a couple minutes and
checking it over for leaks I tried to start it again. This time I was
greeted by a horrendous squeal and the prop not spinning as fast as before
while starting. I shut it all down and it appears the starter is no longer
engaging properly. It wore a little of the outside aft edge of the flywheel
and looks like either the starter gear is too small, or somehow it suddenly
was able to drift a little further from the flywheel and no longer mates up
properly. The starter mount nuts look secure and the factory paint cues are
still in place so I am stumped. With the starter gear retracted it looks
like the gears will just barely overlap when it extends.
I am open to any and all thoughts, theories and suggestions.
Thanks,
Marcus
(was hoping to get inspected today, delayed until next weekend - possibly
more pending the engine issue)
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Just call my cell just as you're about to get in the OSH area.
I think it's 57th and Lindbergh. Not sure if we'll need to do
some creative organization of car parking permits or not. I'll
try to have it figured out by then.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
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> Just let us know the address and we will call you as we get there
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:42 PM
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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> I see no problems with that. It'll be nice to get to talk to you
> at length in person. I'm just in a small tent, and the sites run
> 15 x 30 or so. So we should be OK. If there's another tent
> that wants to join, we can probably accomodate that too. The
> vehicles would be the hardest part.
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> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lloyd, Daniel R."
> <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
>> Tim, we would like to join if possible, we will be in on Thursday, we
>> have a popup so need just a little room comparatively
>> THX
>> Dan
>> 40269 (N289DT)
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:15 PM
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
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>> Bob, Thanks again for grabbing that site for me. Looks like it
>> will do very nicely. If there's another camping RV-10 builder
>> who wants to join on the site, I can make mine look like I'm
>> by Gary's and we'll share. The more -10 builders, the merrier.
>> Just let us know.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
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>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey"
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>> canopy set up for additional shade, and Gary's motorhome with Gary in
>> front of it. We would have shown a mountain of beer cans but it's not
>> even 10:00 AM yet...
>>> Second shot is our sign at the intersection of Lindbergh and 57th.
>>>
>>> Bob
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| Subject: | Re: OshKosh __Tunnel heat |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Chamberlain" <10flyer@verizon.net>
Hey Sean, I used 3/8 inch supersoundproof under my front/ back floors and
sidewalls. Attached it with sticky stuff adhesive spray from Spruce. The
front floor area has remained cool with that, but probably because of the
extra layer of sheet metal that your feet rest on. Not so effective in the
tunnel area. Mark.
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| Subject: | RV-10 Builders Map |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Needless to say, I hope everyone has a good time at OSH. Someone related
the trip to the day before xmas. Well, I feel like that (jewish,
buddhist, atheist) kid without a tree or presents! Anyway, I hope to be
there next year, for my first visit!
After seeing Tim's OSH list, I was curious to see what the locations
would look like on a map. To see the map, go to
http://www.jline.com/tech/google/maps/rv10map.rhtml
All data was obtained from the public OSH list, so there should not be
any surprises. Only 129 or so of the 185 I culled from the list, had
decipherable locations. A few builders from Europe also appeared on the
map.
Jae
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Builders Map |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Hey Jae, you've been busy!!
Out of curiousity, did you ever see this list?
http://www.frappr.com/rv10snorthamerica
I don't know who started that one, but Mani passed it on to
us a while back.
It's amazing how many people there are, for one thing, and how you can
hardly go anywhere without hitting a 10 builder.
What a great crowd.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> Needless to say, I hope everyone has a good time at OSH. Someone related
> the trip to the day before xmas. Well, I feel like that (jewish,
> buddhist, atheist) kid without a tree or presents! Anyway, I hope to be
> there next year, for my first visit!
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> would look like on a map. To see the map, go to
> http://www.jline.com/tech/google/maps/rv10map.rhtml
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> any surprises. Only 129 or so of the 185 I culled from the list, had
> decipherable locations. A few builders from Europe also appeared on the
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