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1. 02:49 AM - Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (Russell Daves)
2. 04:28 AM - Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (Rob Kermanj)
3. 04:28 AM - OSH Update 7/24/06 (bcondrey)
4. 07:03 AM - Re: Inspection completed! (Deems Davis)
5. 07:55 AM - Re: Starter Problem - update (John W. Cox)
6. 08:50 AM - Re: Inspection completed! (Mark Ritter)
7. 09:49 AM - Re: Inspection completed! (Sam Marlow)
8. 11:54 AM - Re: Inspection completed! (Mark Ritter)
9. 12:32 PM - Re: Starter Problem - update (Vern W. Smith)
10. 03:08 PM - Re: Inspection completed! (Sam Marlow)
11. 03:42 PM - Inspection completed! (Russell Daves)
12. 04:47 PM - Re: Inspection completed! (Deems Davis)
13. 06:18 PM - Re: Starter Problem - update (Marcus Cooper)
14. 06:51 PM - Re: Starter Problem - update (linn Walters)
15. 07:04 PM - Re: Starter Problem - update (Marcus Cooper)
16. 07:23 PM - Throttle quadrant (Sean Blair)
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 |
The BIG and HIGH PRICE update from Garmin is as follows:
The Shakeup Continues: Garmin Announces G900X For Experimentals
Garmin Casting Its Net A LOT Wider
Continuing its major product announcements Sunday at AirVenture 2006, Garmin
filled ANN in on its new G900X avionics suite, which will be available on a
number of leading homebuilt aircraft -- including Lancair's IV/IV-P and
ES/ES-P, and Van's RV-10, RV-9/9A, and RV-7/7A.
This is the first time Garmin has offered an all-glass panel for homebuilt
airframes.
"The G900X is a highly reliable system that dramatically increases safety of
flight and situational awareness," said Gary Kelley, Garmin's vice president
of marketing. "We are confident that our industry-leading technology and
core principles -- commitment to quality, reliability, service, and value --
will make the G900X an extremely popular avionics suite with kitplane
owners."
The G900X integrates all primary flight, navigation, communication, terrain,
traffic, surveillance, weather, and engine sensor data into two 10.4-inch,
high-definition LCDs. The color TFT displays on the G900X suite boast XGA
(1,024x768-pixel) resolution with wide viewing angles. Customized brackets
will help simplify the assembly process and allow homebuilders to install
sensitive instruments with the assurance that the Garmin G900X certified
distributor will approve the installation. The G900X distributor-supplied
installation package also includes the wiring harness and installation
drawings.
The following G900X system components will be available for Lancair and
Van's owners and builders:
a.. The primary flight display (PFD) to replace many of the traditional
cockpit instruments. The G900X presents this information in an integrated
fashion on a large-format display, and the multi-function display (MFD) puts
all aircraft-systems monitoring and flight-planning functions at the pilot's
fingertips
b.. Designed with reversionary capabilities, allowing all flight-critical
data to transfer seamlessly to a single display for added safety during
flight
c.. Solid-state Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS), which can
align while in motion, including in-flight dynamic restarts
d.. Digital Air Data Computer
e.. Engine-monitoring display
f.. Mode S transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS)
g.. Dual integrated radio modules that provide WAAS-certified IFR
oceanic-approved GPS; VHF navigation with ILS; and VHF communication with
16-watt transceivers and 8.33-kHz channel spacing
h.. Digital audio control system
i.. Garmin SafeTaxi airport diagrams that help pilots navigate unfamiliar
airports
j.. Optional integrated satellite weather datalink and digital-quality
audio via XM Satellite Radio
k.. Optional remote Flight Management System (FMS) controller for
simplified waypoint, navigation, and communication tuning and selection
l.. Optional integrated Class-B Terrain Awareness and Warning System
(TAWS) with worldwide terrain and U.S. obstacle database, which does not
require and external LRU as with other TAWS systems
The G900X will be available in the first quarter of 2007 at a suggested
retail price of $66,745 through Garmin G900X qualified distributors.
AS FOR ME, I really like my "CHEAP" Grand Rapids three screen system.
Russ Daves
N710RV (DAR Special Airworthiness Certificate in Hand)
Hope to have everything back together and in the air shortly.
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 |
Nicely priced for the upper echelon in the society! I expect that
Garmin will have a more logical menus and function than GRT but I
think I stick with my GRTs.
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Rob Kermanj
On Jul 24, 2006, at 5:41 AM, Russell Daves wrote:
> The BIG and HIGH PRICE update from Garmin is as follows:
>
> The Shakeup Continues: Garmin Announces G900X For Experimentals
>
> Garmin Casting Its Net A LOT Wider
> Continuing its major product announcements Sunday at AirVenture
> 2006, Garmin filled ANN in on its new G900X avionics suite, which
> will be available on a number of leading homebuilt aircraft --
> including Lancair's IV/IV-P and ES/ES-P, and Van's RV-10, RV-9/9A,
> and RV-7/7A.
>
>
> This is the first time Garmin has offered an all-glass panel for
> homebuilt airframes.
>
> "The G900X is a highly reliable system that dramatically increases
> safety of flight and situational awareness," said Gary Kelley,
> Garmin's vice president of marketing. "We are confident that our
> industry-leading technology and core principles -- commitment to
> quality, reliability, service, and value -- will make the G900X an
> extremely popular avionics suite with kitplane owners."
>
>
> The G900X integrates all primary flight, navigation, communication,
> terrain, traffic, surveillance, weather, and engine sensor data
> into two 10.4-inch, high-definition LCDs. The color TFT displays
> on the G900X suite boast XGA (1,024x768-pixel) resolution with wide
> viewing angles. Customized brackets will help simplify the assembly
> process and allow homebuilders to install sensitive instruments
> with the assurance that the Garmin G900X certified distributor will
> approve the installation. The G900X distributor-supplied
> installation package also includes the wiring harness and
> installation drawings.
>
> The following G900X system components will be available for Lancair
> and Van's owners and builders:
>
> a.. The primary flight display (PFD) to replace many of the
> traditional cockpit instruments. The G900X presents this
> information in an integrated fashion on a large-format display, and
> the multi-function display (MFD) puts all aircraft-systems
> monitoring and flight-planning functions at the pilot's fingertips
> b.. Designed with reversionary capabilities, allowing all flight-
> critical data to transfer seamlessly to a single display for added
> safety during flight
> c.. Solid-state Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS),
> which can align while in motion, including in-flight dynamic restarts
> d.. Digital Air Data Computer
> e.. Engine-monitoring display
> f.. Mode S transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS)
> g.. Dual integrated radio modules that provide WAAS-certified IFR
> oceanic-approved GPS; VHF navigation with ILS; and VHF
> communication with 16-watt transceivers and 8.33-kHz channel spacing
> h.. Digital audio control system
> i.. Garmin SafeTaxi airport diagrams that help pilots navigate
> unfamiliar airports
> j.. Optional integrated satellite weather datalink and digital-
> quality audio via XM Satellite Radio
> k.. Optional remote Flight Management System (FMS) controller for
> simplified waypoint, navigation, and communication tuning and
> selection
> l.. Optional integrated Class-B Terrain Awareness and Warning
> System (TAWS) with worldwide terrain and U.S. obstacle database,
> which does not require and external LRU as with other TAWS systems
> The G900X will be available in the first quarter of 2007 at a
> suggested retail price of $66,745 through Garmin G900X qualified
> distributors.
>
> AS FOR ME, I really like my "CHEAP" Grand Rapids three screen system.
>
> Russ Daves
>
> N710RV (DAR Special Airworthiness Certificate in Hand)
>
> Hope to have everything back together and in the air shortly.
>
>
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| Subject: | OSH Update 7/24/06 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Several new arrivals yesterday including Tim Olson, Ray Doerr, Ed Hayden and may
others. Pictures attached are dinner at RV-10 HQ last night, Stein's motorized
sofa (gas engine) and more RV-10s. Current count is 7 customer built RV-10s
on the field. Van's also has the RV-12 in front of their booth but not in
a flyable state. I'll get a picture of that today.
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49530#49530
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection completed! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! ! ! !
Best of luck with your fly-off. Please keep us informed of how it goes,
as this is an 'undocumented' part of the plan.
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Starter Problem - update |
Marcus, I am at OSH and the connection is poor but your picture
indicates the starter is mounted about 0.25" low of the flywheel. With
the mount the way it is, I would think this starter gear has a smaller
diameter than necessary. Aerosport should be good about a correction.
John Cox
________________________________
Sent: Sun 7/23/2006 5:29 PM
I took a hard look at the starter again and there appears to be no
damage anywhere, other than what you get when spinning parts touch each
other without engaging. No cracks, etc. I've attached a couple
pictures in case that helps someone decipher what's going on.
It is a Sky-tec starter on an Aerosport IO-540A4D5. I was wondering if
there's any chance the starter comes with different size gears and
perhaps I got the smaller version? The odd thing is it worked great for
awhile. I cranked it for almost 10 seconds before I realized fuel
wasn't getting to the engine yet and it spun great. Then it worked a
few more times before the engine came to life. After that it was
nothing but trouble.
Thanks,
Marcus
Do not archive
th
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:07 PM
I finally got to start my engine today for the first time which was
quite motivational. However, after letting it run for a couple minutes
and checking it over for leaks I tried to start it again. This time I
was greeted by a horrendous squeal and the prop not spinning as fast as
before while starting. I shut it all down and it appears the starter is
no longer engaging properly. It wore a little of the outside aft edge
of the flywheel and looks like either the starter gear is too small, or
somehow it suddenly was able to drift a little further from the flywheel
and no longer mates up properly. The starter mount nuts look secure and
the factory paint cues are still in place so I am stumped. With the
starter gear retracted it looks like the gears will just barely overlap
when it extends.
I am open to any and all thoughts, theories and suggestions.
Thanks,
Marcus
(was hoping to get inspected today, delayed until next weekend -
possibly more pending the engine issue)
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection completed! |
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection completed! |
Just wondered if you have the wheel faring installed?
Mark Ritter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>
> Thanks. First couple of hours went great. Oil temp (217) and a
> couple of CHT's (430) a little higher than I would like but I
> understand they should come down with time. Plane is flying hands off.
>
> Mark (N410MR)
>
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| Subject: | Starter Problem - update |
Hi Marcus,
Starter and ring gears do come with different tooth counts. If memory
serves me correctly it is 122 or 149 tooth count. This refers to the
number of teeth on the ring gear. By counting the teeth you can confirm
the ring gear. For the starter you will need to refer to the manufacture
for the tooth count. Obviously mixing a ring gear for one count/pitch
and the starter for the other count/pitch is a bad thing.
Hope this helps,
Vern (#40324 shoulder deep in proseal)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 5:30 PM
I took a hard look at the starter again and there appears to be no
damage anywhere, other than what you get when spinning parts touch each
other without engaging. No cracks, etc. I've attached a couple
pictures in case that helps someone decipher what's going on.
It is a Sky-tec starter on an Aerosport IO-540A4D5. I was wondering if
there's any chance the starter comes with different size gears and
perhaps I got the smaller version? The odd thing is it worked great for
awhile. I cranked it for almost 10 seconds before I realized fuel
wasn't getting to the engine yet and it spun great. Then it worked a
few more times before the engine came to life. After that it was
nothing but trouble.
Thanks,
Marcus
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th
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:07 PM
I finally got to start my engine today for the first time which
was quite motivational. However, after letting it run for a couple
minutes and checking it over for leaks I tried to start it again. This
time I was greeted by a horrendous squeal and the prop not spinning as
fast as before while starting. I shut it all down and it appears the
starter is no longer engaging properly. It wore a little of the outside
aft edge of the flywheel and looks like either the starter gear is too
small, or somehow it suddenly was able to drift a little further from
the flywheel and no longer mates up properly. The starter mount nuts
look secure and the factory paint cues are still in place so I am
stumped. With the starter gear retracted it looks like the gears will
just barely overlap when it extends.
I am open to any and all thoughts, theories and suggestions.
Thanks,
Marcus
(was hoping to get inspected today, delayed until next weekend -
possibly more pending the engine issue)
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection completed! |
Thanks!
Do not archive.
Mark Ritter wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>
> Sam,
>
> Have not installed gear leg fairings or wheel pants. Per Vans "when
> engine break-in is a concern, you should perform flight testing
> without the wheel fairings and gear leg fairings. This will add
> around 15% to the airframe drag and thus cause higher engine
> temperatures at any given forward speed. Higher cylinder head
> temperatures, within limits, are necessary for seating piston rings
> (break-in)".
>
> Mark (N410MR Flying)
>
> Do not archive
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Just wondered if you have the wheel faring installed?
>
> Mark Ritter wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Mark Ritter"
>
> Thanks. First couple of hours went great. Oil temp (217) and
> a couple of CHT's (430) a little higher than I would like but
> I understand they should come down with time. Plane is
> flying hands off.
>
> Mark (N410MR)
>
> Do not archive
>
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>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Inspection completed! |
I received my DAR signoff yesterday. Spent today getting most of the
inspection panels put back on and hope to make first flight on
Wednesday.
Russ Daves
N710RV - RV-10
N65RV - RV-6A Sold
Lubbock, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection completed! |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is getting to be an almost daily occurance, perhaps before OSH is
over, we will have 50 -10's flying!?. Must feel good (will feel even
better on Wed I suspect).
Keep us informed, and motivated
Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/
Russell Daves wrote:
> I received my DAR signoff yesterday. Spent today getting most of the
> inspection panels put back on and hope to make first flight on Wednesday.
>
> Russ Daves
> N710RV - RV-10
> N65RV - RV-6A Sold
> Lubbock, Texas
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| Subject: | Starter Problem - update |
Thanks to all for the inputs. I spoke to Bart from Aero Sport at Oshkosh
and he said that if there was a kickback then the starter is designed to
bend the shaft and will result in my situation. They are paying for
overnight FedEx for a quick repair and back to me hopefully in time to have
the airplane inspected on Sunday. FWIW everyone I spoke to at Aero Sport
about this was absolutely fantastic.
Marcus
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vern W. Smith
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:30 PM
Hi Marcus,
Starter and ring gears do come with different tooth counts. If memory serves
me correctly it is 122 or 149 tooth count. This refers to the number of
teeth on the ring gear. By counting the teeth you can confirm the ring gear.
For the starter you will need to refer to the manufacture for the tooth
count. Obviously mixing a ring gear for one count/pitch and the starter for
the other count/pitch is a bad thing.
Hope this helps,
Vern (#40324 shoulder deep in proseal)
_____
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 5:30 PM
I took a hard look at the starter again and there appears to be no damage
anywhere, other than what you get when spinning parts touch each other
without engaging. No cracks, etc. I've attached a couple pictures in case
that helps someone decipher what's going on.
It is a Sky-tec starter on an Aerosport IO-540A4D5. I was wondering if
there's any chance the starter comes with different size gears and perhaps I
got the smaller version? The odd thing is it worked great for awhile. I
cranked it for almost 10 seconds before I realized fuel wasn't getting to
the engine yet and it spun great. Then it worked a few more times before
the engine came to life. After that it was nothing but trouble.
Thanks,
Marcus
Do not archive
th
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 8:07 PM
I finally got to start my engine today for the first time which was quite
motivational. However, after letting it run for a couple minutes and
checking it over for leaks I tried to start it again. This time I was
greeted by a horrendous squeal and the prop not spinning as fast as before
while starting. I shut it all down and it appears the starter is no longer
engaging properly. It wore a little of the outside aft edge of the flywheel
and looks like either the starter gear is too small, or somehow it suddenly
was able to drift a little further from the flywheel and no longer mates up
properly. The starter mount nuts look secure and the factory paint cues are
still in place so I am stumped. With the starter gear retracted it looks
like the gears will just barely overlap when it extends.
I am open to any and all thoughts, theories and suggestions.
Thanks,
Marcus
(was hoping to get inspected today, delayed until next weekend - possibly
more pending the engine issue)
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| Subject: | Re: Starter Problem - update |
Marcus Cooper wrote:
> Thanks to all for the inputs. I spoke to Bart from Aero Sport at
> Oshkosh and he said that if there was a kickback then the starter is
> designed to bend the shaft and will result in my situation. They are
> paying for overnight FedEx for a quick repair and back to me hopefully
> in time to have the airplane inspected on Sunday. FWIW everyone I
> spoke to at Aero Sport about this was absolutely fantastic.
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
Do you remember any kickback???
The most common cause of kickback is the non-impulse mag firing 25 DBTDC
(or whatever your engine is set at) so you might want to check your mag
wiring. If you only have a OFF/L/R/BOTH switch and a starter button
..... start on the left mag and switch to both after it's started.
Standard switches with OFF/L/R/BOTH/START disable the right mag ......
if you have it wired up correctly.
Linn
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| Subject: | Starter Problem - update |
Linn,
I think I heard it kickback, but it was all kind of a blur to be honest.
I have an impulse mag on the left and a Lightspeed system on the right. I
plan to double check the wiring and mimic what several (Tim Olson, etc)
mentioned in a previous post.
Any and all kickback preventative measures relating to this setup would be
welcome.
Thanks,
Marcus
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:52 PM
Marcus Cooper wrote:
Thanks to all for the inputs. I spoke to Bart from Aero Sport at Oshkosh
and he said that if there was a kickback then the starter is designed to
bend the shaft and will result in my situation. They are paying for
overnight FedEx for a quick repair and back to me hopefully in time to have
the airplane inspected on Sunday. FWIW everyone I spoke to at Aero Sport
about this was absolutely fantastic.
Marcus
Do you remember any kickback???
The most common cause of kickback is the non-impulse mag firing 25 DBTDC (or
whatever your engine is set at) so you might want to check your mag wiring.
If you only have a OFF/L/R/BOTH switch and a starter button ..... start on
the left mag and switch to both after it's started. Standard switches with
OFF/L/R/BOTH/START disable the right mag ...... if you have it wired up
correctly.
Linn
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| Subject: | Throttle quadrant |
When installing the throttle quadrant, are the cables routed through the
firewall recess in the stock location? If not, where? I think I heard they
don't take the same route and of course already enlarged the stock holes per
the plans. What's the fix if necessary?
Once again...thanks!
Sean Blair
#40225
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