RV10-List Digest Archive

Tue 07/25/06


Total Messages Posted: 28



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     1. 02:32 AM - Grand Rapids Wiring (Marcus Cooper)
     2. 04:50 AM - OSH Update 7/25/06 (bcondrey)
     3. 04:50 AM - OSH Update 7/25/06 (bcondrey)
     4. 07:32 AM - Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     5. 07:52 AM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (jdalton77)
     6. 08:37 AM - Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials (Vern W. Smith)
     7. 09:30 AM - Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (James K Hovis)
     8. 10:14 AM - Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     9. 10:28 AM - Some misc pics from OSH (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    10. 10:31 AM - Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    11. 10:41 AM - Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (W. Curtis)
    12. 10:50 AM - Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
    13. 10:57 AM - Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (Lloyd, Daniel R.)
    14. 12:42 PM - Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (JOHN STARN)
    15. 02:47 PM - Oops, W-1013A bearing hole press-fit (Jae Chang)
    16. 02:48 PM - Re: RV-List: Re: OSH Update 7/23/06 (JOHN STARN)
    17. 03:29 PM - Re: Oops, W-1013A bearing hole press-fit (James Hein)
    18. 03:50 PM - Re: Grand Rapids Wiring (David Schaefer)
    19. 03:53 PM - Re: OSH Update 7/25/06 (bcondrey)
    20. 04:02 PM - Re: Oops, W-1013A bearing hole press-fit (Rick)
    21. 04:29 PM - Re: Re: OSH Update 7/25/06 (Rick)
    22. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: OSH Update 7/25/06 (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
    23. 05:15 PM - New Hartzell blended foil prop for sale (Wayne Edgerton)
    24. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: OSH Update 7/25/06 (Deems Davis)
    25. 06:32 PM - rv-12 comment ()
    26. 06:55 PM - Re: rv-12 comment (Mike Doyle)
    27. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: OSH Update 7/25/06 (bob.kaufmann)
    28. 09:34 PM - BMA EFIS 1 For Sale (Eric Large)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:32:56 AM PST US
    From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Grand Rapids Wiring
    I have the GRT EFIS and EIS and can't seem to brake the code on wiring the fuel level wiring. As luck would have it, all the folks are at Oshkosh and not available for questions. I suspect that I need to use the 4.8V source wire but I can't find how to employ it in the instructions. Does it just get tied to the wire going the tank level sensor? Also, when I ran the engine, my RPM showed 0. I have the signal wire tied to the digital RPM signal from the Lightspeed output and the EIS Tach is set to '0' for 6 cyl Lycoming. If anyone has any experience with this I'd sure appreciate any and all guidance. Marcus Desperately close and yet so far it seems


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    Time: 04:50:52 AM PST US
    From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    Subject: OSH Update 7/25/06
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Paul Irlbeck showed up with his RV-10 making it 8 customer built examples so far. I also attached a picture of Tim's just to have a complete picture collection. Garmin actually introduced 2 panel mount EFIS/MFD products at the show. First is the G900 which appears to be simply an uncertified version of the G1000 for those that want to spend $66k. Other one is the G600 which is the picture I posted a few days ago and is going for ~$26k. The AFS EFIS is also on display with HSI capabilities which appears to still be in development. This is a nice product for a reasonable price assuming they can get development wrapped up and ship them. Finally, TruTrak's EFIS offering isn't really - they're just doing proof of concept to check public interest. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49711#49711 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_hq_57_118.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_hq_56_651.jpg


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    Time: 04:50:52 AM PST US
    From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    Subject: OSH Update 7/25/06
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Paul Irlbeck showed up with his RV-10 making it 8 customer built examples so far. I also attached a picture of Tim's just to have a complete picture collection. Garmin actually introduced 2 panel mount EFIS/MFD products at the show. First is the G900 which appears to be simply an uncertified version of the G1000 for those that want to spend $66k. Other one is the G600 which is the picture I posted a few days ago and is going for ~$26k. The AFS EFIS is also on display with HSI capabilities which appears to still be in development. This is a nice product for a reasonable price assuming they can get development wrapped up and ship them. Finally, TruTrak's EFIS offering isn't really - they're just doing proof of concept to check public interest. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49710#49710 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_hq_57_118.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_hq_56_651.jpg


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    Time: 07:32:13 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: OSH Update 7/23/06
    More interesting in this is the G600 which is a smaller, combined version of the two screen G1000/G900. It's priced at $27k to directly compete with Chelton's. Of course it doesn't have HIT's, rendered terrain, or any other of the advanced stuff we see. Michael do not archive ________________________________ [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:19 AM Nicely priced for the upper echelon in the society! I expect that Garmin will have a more logical menus and function than GRT but I think I stick with my GRTs. Do not archive. Rob Kermanj On Jul 24, 2006, at 5:41 AM, Russell Daves wrote: The BIG and HIGH PRICE update from Garmin is as follows: The Shakeup Continues: Garmin Announces G900X For Experimentals Garmin Casting Its Net A LOT Wider Continuing its major product announcements Sunday at AirVenture 2006, Garmin filled ANN in on its new G900X avionics suite, which will be available on a number of leading homebuilt aircraft -- including Lancair's IV/IV-P and ES/ES-P, and Van's RV-10, RV-9/9A, and RV-7/7A. This is the first time Garmin has offered an all-glass panel for homebuilt airframes. "The G900X is a highly reliable system that dramatically increases safety of flight and situational awareness," said Gary Kelley, Garmin's vice president of marketing. "We are confident that our industry-leading technology and core principles -- commitment to quality, reliability, service, and value -- will make the G900X an extremely popular avionics suite with kitplane owners." The G900X integrates all primary flight, navigation, communication, terrain, traffic, surveillance, weather, and engine sensor data into two 10.4-inch, high-definition LCDs. The color TFT displays on the G900X suite boast XGA (1,024x768-pixel) resolution with wide viewing angles. Customized brackets will help simplify the assembly process and allow homebuilders to install sensitive instruments with the assurance that the Garmin G900X certified distributor will approve the installation. The G900X distributor-supplied installation package also includes the wiring harness and installation drawings. The following G900X system components will be available for Lancair and Van's owners and builders: a.. The primary flight display (PFD) to replace many of the traditional cockpit instruments. The G900X presents this information in an integrated fashion on a large-format display, and the multi-function display (MFD) puts all aircraft-systems monitoring and flight-planning functions at the pilot's fingertips b.. Designed with reversionary capabilities, allowing all flight-critical data to transfer seamlessly to a single display for added safety during flight c.. Solid-state Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS), which can align while in motion, including in-flight dynamic restarts d.. Digital Air Data Computer e.. Engine-monitoring display f.. Mode S transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS) g.. Dual integrated radio modules that provide WAAS-certified IFR oceanic-approved GPS; VHF navigation with ILS; and VHF communication with 16-watt transceivers and 8.33-kHz channel spacing h.. Digital audio control system i.. Garmin SafeTaxi airport diagrams that help pilots navigate unfamiliar airports j.. Optional integrated satellite weather datalink and digital-quality audio via XM Satellite Radio k.. Optional remote Flight Management System (FMS) controller for simplified waypoint, navigation, and communication tuning and selection l.. Optional integrated Class-B Terrain Awareness and Warning System (TAWS) with worldwide terrain and U.S. obstacle database, which does not require and external LRU as with other TAWS systems The G900X will be available in the first quarter of 2007 at a suggested retail price of $66,745 through Garmin G900X qualified distributors. AS FOR ME, I really like my "CHEAP" Grand Rapids three screen system. Russ Daves N710RV (DAR Special Airworthiness Certificate in Hand) Hope to have everything back together and in the air shortly.


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    Time: 07:52:30 AM PST US
    From: "jdalton77" <jdalton77@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials
    Innodyn's web site says they won't have a booth of their own. Boy oh boy I WISH their engine was real . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Dawson-Townsend To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials Interestingly enough, I don't see Crossflow listed on the Oshkosh Exhibitors list! Innodyn is on there, though . . . TDT 40025 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:29 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials Sounds like the USA based version of Crossflow? ----- Original Message ----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials Oh boy do I have some history. Jan booted me from his list for asking him to validate his ever changing HP numbers on his H6 for the -10. One of his cheerleaders tried to publicly flog me and I responded with a very straightforward set of comments. Jan then said he wouldn't allow one of his friends to be publically humiliated but he apparently had no problem with a potential customer being so. And no, he will never give dyno numbers. He doesn't feel it is necessary. As far as non-delivery, do a search of websites of people that have his engines and you will find plenty of instances where he did not meet promised delivery dates. One of his best supporters even received the supercharger well after the engine delivery (which was also late) pushing things out a year. Oh and the "complete" firewall forward package apparently wasn't so complete either. I'm sure Jan knows who this is and he hopefully won't threaten him to take down the site. My comment below is no surprise to anyone who has done any type of due diligence on his offerings. I made my decision to go with a Lycoming after spending a couple months talking to a dozen people flying Eggs engine and hanging around on his list. Anytime someone spoke up on that list they were slammed back down. I was contacted by several people off list to keep asking the hard questions because they had already ordered and were afraid they would be denied service for questioning the status quo. I'm not anti-Eggenfeller as I still feel he has the best chance of producing an alternative engine package but it's time for him to grow up his business and start PROVING the capabilities he touts. I am also not saying that his engine does not meet the performance he claims, after all no one has dyno numbers on any of his engines so there is no way to tell. I will say that the recent RVator article helps to shed some light on things. I have the full history of the email conversations in question and anyone who wants to contact me off list for a copy is welcome to do so. James, I'm guessing you already ordered one of his engines? If not, I strongly suggest you do some serious background research. In reality the only thing you get from his package is an alternative engine package that can keep MP to altitude. The cost isn't much different, the fuel flows won't be much different, and the performance won't be much different from a Lycoming. What will be different is the resale value, expect it to be much less. Oh ya, this dog hunts just fine. Michael Sausen RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage Do Not Archive Recent RV-10 Build Activity From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Clark Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:28 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials Micheal, It seems from your post that you have an issue of some sort with Jan. For those that are considering his product, this post comes across as not being fair without some facts. It is as if you are accusing him of non-delivery. If that is the case why not just say what the facts are? I am sure he is now motivated to give you the "dyno numbers" you request. James ... no dog in this hunt On 7/17/06, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote: Wow, you are actually making engine delivery dates for once. I'm shocked! Oh wait, it says delivery in December, so probably not huh. Now how about some dyno numbers? Michael Sausen RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage Do Not Archive Recent RV-10 Build Activity From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of EAAINC@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:00 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials I have been asked to announce that Eggenfellner Does have turbocharged 220HP RV-10 engines and that they will be on sale at Oshkosh this year. Deliveries are available for December with 50% deposits. Jan -- This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at james@nextupventures.com .


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    Time: 08:37:41 AM PST US
    From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern@teclabsinc.com>
    Subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials
    If it was and it ran on bio-diesel made from hamburger joints then you would have a "fast food flyer!" For those of us stuck at home; Garmin has info on their website for the G600, G900 and yes the new handheld 496. Vern (#04324 fuel tanks) Do not archive _____ [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:48 AM Innodyn's web site says they won't have a booth of their own. Boy oh boy I WISH their engine was real . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Dawson-Townsend <mailto:Tdawson@avidyne.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials Interestingly enough, I don't see Crossflow listed on the Oshkosh Exhibitors list! Innodyn is on there, though . . . TDT 40025 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:29 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials Sounds like the USA based version of Crossflow? ----- Original Message ----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <mailto:rvbuilder@sausen.net> To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials Oh boy do I have some history. Jan booted me from his list for asking him to validate his ever changing HP numbers on his H6 for the -10. One of his cheerleaders tried to publicly flog me and I responded with a very straightforward set of comments. Jan then said he wouldn't allow one of his friends to be publically humiliated but he apparently had no problem with a potential customer being so. And no, he will never give dyno numbers. He doesn't feel it is necessary. As far as non-delivery, do a search of websites of people that have his engines and you will find plenty of instances where he did not meet promised delivery dates. One of his best supporters even received the supercharger well after the engine delivery (which was also late) pushing things out a year. Oh and the "complete" firewall forward package apparently wasn't so complete either. I'm sure Jan knows who this is and he hopefully won't threaten him to take down the site. My comment below is no surprise to anyone who has done any type of due diligence on his offerings. I made my decision to go with a Lycoming after spending a couple months talking to a dozen people flying Eggs engine and hanging around on his list. Anytime someone spoke up on that list they were slammed back down. I was contacted by several people off list to keep asking the hard questions because they had already ordered and were afraid they would be denied service for questioning the status quo. I'm not anti-Eggenfeller as I still feel he has the best chance of producing an alternative engine package but it's time for him to grow up his business and start PROVING the capabilities he touts. I am also not saying that his engine does not meet the performance he claims, after all no one has dyno numbers on any of his engines so there is no way to tell. I will say that the recent RVator article helps to shed some light on things. I have the full history of the email conversations in question and anyone who wants to contact me off list for a copy is welcome to do so. James, I'm guessing you already ordered one of his engines? If not, I strongly suggest you do some serious background research. In reality the only thing you get from his package is an alternative engine package that can keep MP to altitude. The cost isn't much different, the fuel flows won't be much different, and the performance won't be much different from a Lycoming. What will be different is the resale value, expect it to be much less. Oh ya, this dog hunts just fine. Michael Sausen RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage Do Not Archive Recent RV-10 Build Activity <http://www.mykitlog.com/display_project.php?project_id=22> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Clark Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:28 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials Micheal, It seems from your post that you have an issue of some sort with Jan. For those that are considering his product, this post comes across as not being fair without some facts. It is as if you are accusing him of non-delivery. If that is the case why not just say what the facts are? I am sure he is now motivated to give you the "dyno numbers" you request. James ... no dog in this hunt On 7/17/06, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote: Wow, you are actually making engine delivery dates for once. I'm shocked! Oh wait, it says delivery in December, so probably not huh. Now how about some dyno numbers? Michael Sausen RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage Do Not Archive Recent RV-10 Build Activity <http://www.mykitlog.com/display_project.php?project_id=22> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of EAAINC@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:00 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials I have been asked to announce that Eggenfellner Does have turbocharged 220HP RV-10 engines and that they will be on sale at Oshkosh this year. Deliveries are available for December with 50% deposits. Jan -- This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at james@nextupventures.com .


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    Time: 09:30:41 AM PST US
    From: "James K Hovis" <james.k.hovis@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: OSH Update 7/23/06
    So what's the "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT" from Van's? On 7/25/06, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote: > > More interesting in this is the G600 which is a smaller, combined version > of the two screen G1000/G900. It's priced at $27k to directly compete with > Chelton's. Of course it doesn't have HIT's, rendered terrain, or any other > of the advanced stuff we see. > > Michael > do not archive > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Kermanj > *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2006 6:19 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: OSH Update 7/23/06 > > > Nicely priced for the upper echelon in the society! I expect that Garmin > will have a more logical menus and function than GRT but I think I stick > with my GRTs. > > Do not archive. > > Rob Kermanj > > > On Jul 24, 2006, at 5:41 AM, Russell Daves wrote: > > The BIG and HIGH PRICE update from Garmin is as follows: > > > The Shakeup Continues: Garmin Announces G900X For Experimentals > > > Garmin Casting Its Net A LOT Wider > Continuing its major product announcements Sunday at AirVenture 2006, > Garmin filled ANN in on its new G900X avionics suite, which will be > available on a number of leading homebuilt aircraft -- including Lancair's > IV/IV-P and ES/ES-P, and Van's RV-10, RV-9/9A, and RV-7/7A. > > > This is the first time Garmin has offered an all-glass panel for homebuilt > airframes. > > > "The G900X is a highly reliable system that dramatically increases safety > of flight and situational awareness," said Gary Kelley, Garmin's vice > president of marketing. "We are confident that our industry-leading > technology and core principles -- commitment to quality, reliability, > service, and value -- will make the G900X an extremely popular avionics > suite with kitplane owners." > > > The G900X integrates all primary flight, navigation, communication, > terrain, traffic, surveillance, weather, and engine sensor data into two > 10.4-inch, high-definition LCDs. The color TFT displays on the G900X > suite boast XGA (1,024x768-pixel) resolution with wide viewing angles. > Customized brackets will help simplify the assembly process and allow > homebuilders to install sensitive instruments with the assurance that the > Garmin G900X certified distributor will approve the installation. The G900X > distributor-supplied installation package also includes the wiring harness > and installation drawings. > > > The following G900X system components will be available for Lancair and > Van's owners and builders: > > > a.. The primary flight display (PFD) to replace many of the traditional > cockpit instruments. The G900X presents this information in an integrated > fashion on a large-format display, and the multi-function display (MFD) puts > all aircraft-systems monitoring and flight-planning functions at the pilot's > fingertips > b.. Designed with reversionary capabilities, allowing all flight-critical > data to transfer seamlessly to a single display for added safety during > flight > c.. Solid-state Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS), which can > align while in motion, including in-flight dynamic restarts > d.. Digital Air Data Computer > e.. Engine-monitoring display > f.. Mode S transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS) > g.. Dual integrated radio modules that provide WAAS-certified IFR > oceanic-approved GPS; VHF navigation with ILS; and VHF communication with > 16-watt transceivers and 8.33-kHz channel spacing > h.. Digital audio control system > i.. Garmin SafeTaxi airport diagrams that help pilots navigate unfamiliar > airports > j.. Optional integrated satellite weather datalink and digital-quality > audio via XM Satellite Radio > k.. Optional remote Flight Management System (FMS) controller for > simplified waypoint, navigation, and communication tuning and selection > l.. Optional integrated Class-B Terrain Awareness and Warning System > (TAWS) with worldwide terrain and U.S. obstacle database, which does not > require and external LRU as with other TAWS systems > The G900X will be available in the first quarter of 2007 at a suggested > retail price of $66,745 through Garmin G900X qualified distributors. > > > AS FOR ME, I really like my "CHEAP" Grand Rapids three screen system. > > > Russ Daves > > > N710RV (DAR Special Airworthiness Certificate in Hand) > > > Hope to have everything back together and in the air shortly. > >


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    Time: 10:14:13 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: OSH Update 7/23/06
    Ummm ya, haven't quite figured that out yet. He said it wasn't the RV-12 but he has the prototype there. Looks good BTW. Cessna also has their less than complete LSA there. I haven't had time to do any serious digging there yet and will hopefully have more info in a couple days. I won't make it there today so no new news. Bob is the man camping on site and is plugged into happenings so he might know. Michael do not archive ________________________________ [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James K Hovis Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:29 AM So what's the "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT" from Van's? On 7/25/06, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote: More interesting in this is the G600 which is a smaller, combined version of the two screen G1000/G900. It's priced at $27k to directly compete with Chelton's. Of course it doesn't have HIT's, rendered terrain, or any other of the advanced stuff we see. Michael do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:19 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH Update 7/23/06 Nicely priced for the upper echelon in the society! I expect that Garmin will have a more logical menus and function than GRT but I think I stick with my GRTs. Do not archive. Rob Kermanj On Jul 24, 2006, at 5:41 AM, Russell Daves wrote: The BIG and HIGH PRICE update from Garmin is as follows: The Shakeup Continues: Garmin Announces G900X For Experimentals Garmin Casting Its Net A LOT Wider Continuing its major product announcements Sunday at AirVenture 2006, Garmin filled ANN in on its new G900X avionics suite, which will be available on a number of leading homebuilt aircraft -- including Lancair's IV/IV-P and ES/ES-P, and Van's RV-10, RV-9/9A, and RV-7/7A. This is the first time Garmin has offered an all-glass panel for homebuilt airframes. "The G900X is a highly reliable system that dramatically increases safety of flight and situational awareness," said Gary Kelley, Garmin's vice president of marketing. "We are confident that our industry-leading technology and core principles -- commitment to quality, reliability, service, and value -- will make the G900X an extremely popular avionics suite with kitplane owners." The G900X integrates all primary flight, navigation, communication, terrain, traffic, surveillance, weather, and engine sensor data into two 10.4-inch, high-definition LCDs. The color TFT displays on the G900X suite boast XGA (1,024x768-pixel) resolution with wide viewing angles. Customized brackets will help simplify the assembly process and allow homebuilders to install sensitive instruments with the assurance that the Garmin G900X certified distributor will approve the installation. The G900X distributor-supplied installation package also includes the wiring harness and installation drawings. The following G900X system components will be available for Lancair and Van's owners and builders: a.. The primary flight display (PFD) to replace many of the traditional cockpit instruments. The G900X presents this information in an integrated fashion on a large-format display, and the multi-function display (MFD) puts all aircraft-systems monitoring and flight-planning functions at the pilot's fingertips b.. Designed with reversionary capabilities, allowing all flight-critical data to transfer seamlessly to a single display for added safety during flight c.. Solid-state Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS), which can align while in motion, including in-flight dynamic restarts d.. Digital Air Data Computer e.. Engine-monitoring display f.. Mode S transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS) g.. Dual integrated radio modules that provide WAAS-certified IFR oceanic-approved GPS; VHF navigation with ILS; and VHF communication with 16-watt transceivers and 8.33-kHz channel spacing h.. Digital audio control system i.. Garmin SafeTaxi airport diagrams that help pilots navigate unfamiliar airports j.. Optional integrated satellite weather datalink and digital-quality audio via XM Satellite Radio k.. Optional remote Flight Management System (FMS) controller for simplified waypoint, navigation, and communication tuning and selection l.. Optional integrated Class-B Terrain Awareness and Warning System (TAWS) with worldwide terrain and U.S. obstacle database, which does not require and external LRU as with other TAWS systems The G900X will be available in the first quarter of 2007 at a suggested retail price of $66,745 through Garmin G900X qualified distributors. AS FOR ME, I really like my "CHEAP" Grand Rapids three screen system. Russ Daves N710RV (DAR Special Airworthiness Certificate in Hand) Hope to have everything back together and in the air shortly.


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    Time: 10:28:09 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: Some misc pics from OSH
    <<IMG_0307 (Small).JPG>> <<IMG_0310 (Small).JPG>> <<IMG_0315 (Small).JPG>> Thought I would send you guys some pic's of the displays around there. You may note the regular occurrence of a weather line passing over OSH in the Nemesis picture. Needless to say the view back into the storm was full of very pretty multi-colored clouds but not too bad when it hit as most of it went east of OSH. Michael Do Not Archive


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    Time: 10:31:45 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: OSH Update 7/23/06
    Just found out that the big announcement is that the -8 is now pre punched and matched. Michael do not archive ________________________________ Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:12 PM Ummm ya, haven't quite figured that out yet. He said it wasn't the RV-12 but he has the prototype there. Looks good BTW. Cessna also has their less than complete LSA there. I haven't had time to do any serious digging there yet and will hopefully have more info in a couple days. I won't make it there today so no new news. Bob is the man camping on site and is plugged into happenings so he might know. Michael do not archive ________________________________ [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James K Hovis Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:29 AM So what's the "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT" from Van's? On 7/25/06, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote: More interesting in this is the G600 which is a smaller, combined version of the two screen G1000/G900. It's priced at $27k to directly compete with Chelton's. Of course it doesn't have HIT's, rendered terrain, or any other of the advanced stuff we see. Michael do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:19 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH Update 7/23/06 Nicely priced for the upper echelon in the society! I expect that Garmin will have a more logical menus and function than GRT but I think I stick with my GRTs. Do not archive. Rob Kermanj On Jul 24, 2006, at 5:41 AM, Russell Daves wrote: The BIG and HIGH PRICE update from Garmin is as follows: The Shakeup Continues: Garmin Announces G900X For Experimentals Garmin Casting Its Net A LOT Wider Continuing its major product announcements Sunday at AirVenture 2006, Garmin filled ANN in on its new G900X avionics suite, which will be available on a number of leading homebuilt aircraft -- including Lancair's IV/IV-P and ES/ES-P, and Van's RV-10, RV-9/9A, and RV-7/7A. This is the first time Garmin has offered an all-glass panel for homebuilt airframes. "The G900X is a highly reliable system that dramatically increases safety of flight and situational awareness," said Gary Kelley, Garmin's vice president of marketing. "We are confident that our industry-leading technology and core principles -- commitment to quality, reliability, service, and value -- will make the G900X an extremely popular avionics suite with kitplane owners." The G900X integrates all primary flight, navigation, communication, terrain, traffic, surveillance, weather, and engine sensor data into two 10.4-inch, high-definition LCDs. The color TFT displays on the G900X suite boast XGA (1,024x768-pixel) resolution with wide viewing angles. Customized brackets will help simplify the assembly process and allow homebuilders to install sensitive instruments with the assurance that the Garmin G900X certified distributor will approve the installation. The G900X distributor-supplied installation package also includes the wiring harness and installation drawings. The following G900X system components will be available for Lancair and Van's owners and builders: a.. The primary flight display (PFD) to replace many of the traditional cockpit instruments. The G900X presents this information in an integrated fashion on a large-format display, and the multi-function display (MFD) puts all aircraft-systems monitoring and flight-planning functions at the pilot's fingertips b.. Designed with reversionary capabilities, allowing all flight-critical data to transfer seamlessly to a single display for added safety during flight c.. Solid-state Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS), which can align while in motion, including in-flight dynamic restarts d.. Digital Air Data Computer e.. Engine-monitoring display f.. Mode S transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS) g.. Dual integrated radio modules that provide WAAS-certified IFR oceanic-approved GPS; VHF navigation with ILS; and VHF communication with 16-watt transceivers and 8.33-kHz channel spacing h.. Digital audio control system i.. Garmin SafeTaxi airport diagrams that help pilots navigate unfamiliar airports j.. Optional integrated satellite weather datalink and digital-quality audio via XM Satellite Radio k.. Optional remote Flight Management System (FMS) controller for simplified waypoint, navigation, and communication tuning and selection l.. Optional integrated Class-B Terrain Awareness and Warning System (TAWS) with worldwide terrain and U.S. obstacle database, which does not require and external LRU as with other TAWS systems The G900X will be available in the first quarter of 2007 at a suggested retail price of $66,745 through Garmin G900X qualified distributors. AS FOR ME, I really like my "CHEAP" Grand Rapids three screen system. Russ Daves N710RV (DAR Special Airworthiness Certificate in Hand) Hope to have everything back together and in the air shortly.


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    Time: 10:41:59 AM PST US
    From: "W. Curtis" <wcurtis@core.com>
    Subject: Re: OSH Update 7/23/06
    >So what's the "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT" from Van's? Pre-punched RV-8 standard fuselage with new and improved plans ala RV-10. Supposedly, only the empennage and the wings were pre-punched in the RV-8, now the fuselage will also be pre-punched. William Curtis http://nerv10.com/


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    Time: 10:50:42 AM PST US
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    Subject: Re: OSH Update 7/23/06
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Announcement is that the RV-8 fuselage is now completely prepunched along with an update to the plans. Bob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld -----Original Message----- Sent: Tue Jul 25 09:28:57 2006 So what's the "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT" from Van's? On 7/25/06, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote: More interesting in this is the G600 which is a smaller, combined version of the two screen G1000/G900. It's priced at $27k to directly compete with Chelton's. Of course it doesn't have HIT's, rendered terrain, or any other of the advanced stuff we see. Michael do not archive _____ Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:19 AM Nicely priced for the upper echelon in the society! I expect that Garmin will have a more logical menus and function than GRT but I think I stick with my GRTs. Do not archive. Rob Kermanj On Jul 24, 2006, at 5:41 AM, Russell Daves wrote: The BIG and HIGH PRICE update from Garmin is as follows: The Shakeup Continues: Garmin Announces G900X For Experimentals Garmin Casting Its Net A LOT Wider Continuing its major product announcements Sunday at AirVenture 2006, Garmin filled ANN in on its new G900X avionics suite, which will be available on a number of leading homebuilt aircraft -- including Lancair's IV/IV-P and ES/ES-P, and Van's RV-10, RV-9/9A, and RV-7/7A. This is the first time Garmin has offered an all-glass panel for homebuilt airframes. "The G900X is a highly reliable system that dramatically increases safety of flight and situational awareness," said Gary Kelley, Garmin's vice president of marketing. "We are confident that our industry-leading technology and core principles -- commitment to quality, reliability, service, and value -- will make the G900X an extremely popular avionics suite with kitplane owners." The G900X integrates all primary flight, navigation, communication, terrain, traffic, surveillance, weather, and engine sensor data into two 10.4-inch, high-definition LCDs. The color TFT displays on the G900X suite boast XGA (1,024x768-pixel) resolution with wide viewing angles. Customized brackets will help simplify the assembly process and allow homebuilders to install sensitive instruments with the assurance that the Garmin G900X certified distributor will approve the installation. The G900X distributor-supplied installation package also includes the wiring harness and installation drawings. The following G900X system components will be available for Lancair and Van's owners and builders: a.. The primary flight display (PFD) to replace many of the traditional cockpit instruments. The G900X presents this information in an integrated fashion on a large-format display, and the multi-function display (MFD) puts all aircraft-systems monitoring and flight-planning functions at the pilot's fingertips b.. Designed with reversionary capabilities, allowing all flight-critical data to transfer seamlessly to a single display for added safety during flight c.. Solid-state Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS), which can align while in motion, including in-flight dynamic restarts d.. Digital Air Data Computer e.. Engine-monitoring display f.. Mode S transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS) g.. Dual integrated radio modules that provide WAAS-certified IFR oceanic-approved GPS; VHF navigation with ILS; and VHF communication with 16-watt transceivers and 8.33-kHz channel spacing h.. Digital audio control system i.. Garmin SafeTaxi airport diagrams that help pilots navigate unfamiliar airports j.. Optional integrated satellite weather datalink and digital-quality audio via XM Satellite Radio k.. Optional remote Flight Management System (FMS) controller for simplified waypoint, navigation, and communication tuning and selection l.. Optional integrated Class-B Terrain Awareness and Warning System (TAWS) with worldwide terrain and U.S. obstacle database, which does not require and external LRU as with other TAWS systems The G900X will be available in the first quarter of 2007 at a suggested retail price of $66,745 through Garmin G900X qualified distributors. AS FOR ME, I really like my "CHEAP" Grand Rapids three screen system. Russ Daves N710RV (DAR Special Airworthiness Certificate in Hand) Hope to have everything back together and in the air shortly.


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    Time: 10:57:43 AM PST US
    From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR@wernerco.com>
    Subject: OSH Update 7/23/06
    Email me off list, so we can talk beer and tequila times Dan Do not archive _____ [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:31 PM Just found out that the big announcement is that the -8 is now pre punched and matched. Michael do not archive _____ Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:12 PM Ummm ya, haven't quite figured that out yet. He said it wasn't the RV-12 but he has the prototype there. Looks good BTW. Cessna also has their less than complete LSA there. I haven't had time to do any serious digging there yet and will hopefully have more info in a couple days. I won't make it there today so no new news. Bob is the man camping on site and is plugged into happenings so he might know. Michael do not archive _____ [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James K Hovis Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:29 AM So what's the "BIG ANNOUNCEMENT" from Van's? On 7/25/06, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote: More interesting in this is the G600 which is a smaller, combined version of the two screen G1000/G900. It's priced at $27k to directly compete with Chelton's. Of course it doesn't have HIT's, rendered terrain, or any other of the advanced stuff we see. Michael do not archive _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:19 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH Update 7/23/06 Nicely priced for the upper echelon in the society! I expect that Garmin will have a more logical menus and function than GRT but I think I stick with my GRTs. Do not archive. Rob Kermanj On Jul 24, 2006, at 5:41 AM, Russell Daves wrote: The BIG and HIGH PRICE update from Garmin is as follows: The Shakeup Continues: Garmin Announces G900X For Experimentals Garmin Casting Its Net A LOT Wider Continuing its major product announcements Sunday at AirVenture 2006, Garmin filled ANN in on its new G900X avionics suite, which will be available on a number of leading homebuilt aircraft -- including Lancair's IV/IV-P and ES/ES-P, and Van's RV-10, RV-9/9A, and RV-7/7A. This is the first time Garmin has offered an all-glass panel for homebuilt airframes. "The G900X is a highly reliable system that dramatically increases safety of flight and situational awareness," said Gary Kelley, Garmin's vice president of marketing. "We are confident that our industry-leading technology and core principles -- commitment to quality, reliability, service, and value -- will make the G900X an extremely popular avionics suite with kitplane owners." The G900X integrates all primary flight, navigation, communication, terrain, traffic, surveillance, weather, and engine sensor data into two 10.4-inch, high-definition LCDs. The color TFT displays on the G900X suite boast XGA (1,024x768-pixel) resolution with wide viewing angles. Customized brackets will help simplify the assembly process and allow homebuilders to install sensitive instruments with the assurance that the Garmin G900X certified distributor will approve the installation. The G900X distributor-supplied installation package also includes the wiring harness and installation drawings. The following G900X system components will be available for Lancair and Van's owners and builders: a.. The primary flight display (PFD) to replace many of the traditional cockpit instruments. The G900X presents this information in an integrated fashion on a large-format display, and the multi-function display (MFD) puts all aircraft-systems monitoring and flight-planning functions at the pilot's fingertips b.. Designed with reversionary capabilities, allowing all flight-critical data to transfer seamlessly to a single display for added safety during flight c.. Solid-state Attitude and Heading Reference System (AHRS), which can align while in motion, including in-flight dynamic restarts d.. Digital Air Data Computer e.. Engine-monitoring display f.. Mode S transponder with Traffic Information Service (TIS) g.. Dual integrated radio modules that provide WAAS-certified IFR oceanic-approved GPS; VHF navigation with ILS; and VHF communication with 16-watt transceivers and 8.33-kHz channel spacing h.. Digital audio control system i.. Garmin SafeTaxi airport diagrams that help pilots navigate unfamiliar airports j.. Optional integrated satellite weather datalink and digital-quality audio via XM Satellite Radio k.. Optional remote Flight Management System (FMS) controller for simplified waypoint, navigation, and communication tuning and selection l.. Optional integrated Class-B Terrain Awareness and Warning System (TAWS) with worldwide terrain and U.S. obstacle database, which does not require and external LRU as with other TAWS systems The G900X will be available in the first quarter of 2007 at a suggested retail price of $66,745 through Garmin G900X qualified distributors. AS FOR ME, I really like my "CHEAP" Grand Rapids three screen system. Russ Daves N710RV (DAR Special Airworthiness Certificate in Hand) Hope to have everything back together and in the air shortly.


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    Time: 12:42:57 PM PST US
    From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: OSH Update 7/23/06
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net> > Announcement is that the RV-8 fuselage is now completely prepunched along > with an update to the plans. > Bob YGBSM, as my Wild Weasel partner would say. Below is a direct reprint copy from the Van's site. Wonder how many people at OSH are looking, asking question about the "new" -8 prepunched format compared to those drooling over the prototype RV-12. Prepunched RV-4...maybe...but that would screw up all the HRII builder sales Van's does. Where are photos of the RV-12 ? ? Somebody has to have taken some. Are they taking "escrow" orders for the RV-12 yet ? ? Can you get/fax/e-mail me an RV-12 order form ? ? Now that would be a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT. KABONG HRII waiting for the RV-12. "In RV-7/8/9/10 kits, rivet and bolt holes are pre-punched into all the parts. It is hard to overstate just how much labor and difficulty matched-hole pre-punching saves. All part alignments, fastener spacings and measurements are set at the factory. When the builder aligns the holes, the parts must be in the correct position. An RV builder is assembling an airplane, not building one from scratch."


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    Time: 02:47:25 PM PST US
    From: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
    Subject: Oops, W-1013A bearing hole press-fit
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com> I just got bit by this one. I was going to shout out to Tim, to have this listed on the "gotchas" page at http://www.myrv10.com/tips/gotchas.html. However, lo and behold, it's already there! Double humiliation! I know I read it several times before, but it never registered in my mind when building from the plans. Anyway, I did get hits when searching for this issue. For future builders, do not deburr the bearing hole in the W-1013A aileron bracket spacer. When cleco assembling the bracket initially, leave the BEARING-COM-3-5 out, match-drill, take apart, then press-fit the bearing into the spacer. Jae


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    Time: 02:48:57 PM PST US
    From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: OSH Update 7/23/06
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@verizon.net> Thanks, went there and also scrolled down to "Pic's of RV-12 by Mdoyle" and found 22 pictures. There is a data sheet on the right wing BUT the photo cuts off the bottom where it says "when" the -12 might be available. Mostly held together by clecos and no opening in the cowl but very interesting. KABONG Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:32 PM > --> RV-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com> > > Go to vansaircraft.net (Doug Reeve's Vans Air Force website) and scroll > down > a bit and you will see a tiny picture of the RV-12. Click on that and it > will answer a couple of your questions. > > Terry


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    Time: 03:29:26 PM PST US
    From: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
    Subject: Re: Oops, W-1013A bearing hole press-fit
    --> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net> Aha haha ha ha! Jae, I feel your pain *giggle*! Really, I do... I was the one that got bit by it and had Tim add it to the list of gotchas. :) You'll laugh about it in time, but at that time, I was really ticked off as well! On my second set, I just knocked the sharp edge off the hole but didn't deburr the inside of the hole. -Jim 40384. Jae Chang wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com> > >I just got bit by this one. I was going to shout out to Tim, to have >this listed on the "gotchas" page at >http://www.myrv10.com/tips/gotchas.html. However, lo and behold, it's >already there! Double humiliation! I know I read it several times >before, but it never registered in my mind when building from the plans. > >Anyway, I did get hits when searching for this issue. For future >builders, do not deburr the bearing hole in the W-1013A aileron bracket >spacer. When cleco assembling the bracket initially, leave the >BEARING-COM-3-5 out, match-drill, take apart, then press-fit the bearing >into the spacer. > >Jae > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:50:32 PM PST US
    From: "David Schaefer" <n142ds@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids Wiring
    Contact me off line... it's a piece of cake. Regards, On 7/25/06, Marcus Cooper <coop85@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > I have the GRT EFIS and EIS and can't seem to brake the code on wiring > the fuel level wiring. As luck would have it, all the folks are at Oshkosh > and not available for questions. > > > I suspect that I need to use the 4.8V source wire but I can't find how to > employ it in the instructions. Does it just get tied to the wire going the > tank level sensor? > > > Also, when I ran the engine, my RPM showed 0. I have the signal wire tied > to the digital RPM signal from the Lightspeed output and the EIS Tach is set > to '0' for 6 cyl Lycoming. > > > If anyone has any experience with this I'd sure appreciate any and all > guidance. > > > Marcus > > Desperately close and yet so far it seems > > -- David W. Schaefer RV-6A N142DS "Geek One" www.n142ds.com


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    Time: 03:53:01 PM PST US
    From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    Subject: Re: OSH Update 7/25/06
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> I appologize to all that had issues with this morning's email attachment size. I usually do some cropping and lower the resolution, somehow I left that step out... Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=49821#49821


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    Time: 04:02:54 PM PST US
    From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Oops, W-1013A bearing hole press-fit
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Jae, Yup, dare are a few of these...tip:!!! Print out all of them from Tim's page and tape them into the plans at the appropriate page. It will save you from what we ALL of us have experienced in the process... Bag packed...leave for OSH in the AM!!!! Rick S. 40185 do not archive


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    Time: 04:29:08 PM PST US
    From: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: OSH Update 7/25/06
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Can't wait till we hook up with all of you tomorrow afternoon, Look for me, big guy with little guy partner and his wife in trail, off white shirt, tan shorts answers to the name "pseudo James McClow" Heading for Lindbergh & 57th with one open hand and other hand holding cold drink contributions. Look for Bob and I around 5 to 6 PM. Rick S. 40185 do not archive


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    Time: 04:47:46 PM PST US
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    Subject: Re: OSH Update 7/25/06
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com> Uh oh - Bob Collins' RV cookout is tomorrow evening at about that time at around 12th and Lindbergh... I will be down there but I think Gary will be here. Bob -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld -----Original Message----- Sent: Tue Jul 25 16:08:50 2006 --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> Can't wait till we hook up with all of you tomorrow afternoon, Look for me, big guy with little guy partner and his wife in trail, off white shirt, tan shorts answers to the name "pseudo James McClow" Heading for Lindbergh & 57th with one open hand and other hand holding cold drink contributions. Look for Bob and I around 5 to 6 PM. Rick S. 40185 do not archive


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    Time: 05:15:48 PM PST US
    From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
    Subject: New Hartzell blended foil prop for sale
    Hello all, I have a new Hartzell blended foil prop for the RV10 for sale. I've changed my mind and I've decided to switch to a 3 bladed prop. Anyone interested can contact me either by e-mail or phone. I bought the prop from Van's for $6050 and will sell it for $5500. Wayne Edgerton Flower Mound, TX home 972-539-8530 cell 817-681-6644 e-mail wayne.e@grandecom.net


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    Time: 06:04:14 PM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: OSH Update 7/25/06
    --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> Ditto that, My son Patrick and I should be arriving just about the same time. Looking forward to seeing the "group" Deems Davis # 406 Fuse http://deemsrv10.com/ Rick wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> > >Can't wait till we hook up with all of you tomorrow afternoon, > >Look for me, big guy with little guy partner and his wife in trail, off white shirt, tan shorts answers to the name "pseudo James McClow" > >Heading for Lindbergh & 57th with one open hand and other hand holding cold drink contributions. > >Look for Bob and I around 5 to 6 PM. > >Rick S. >40185 > >do not archive > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:32:41 PM PST US
    From: <jim@CombsFive.Com>
    Subject: rv-12 comment
    --> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com> Pic 8 of 22 shows the panel with three large square cut-outs. Clearly it is headed the route of "All Glass". Wonder who is going to win that contract. Since it is intended as LSA. They will have to pick one vendor. Dynon, GRT, Chelton, Advanced Flight Systems, Garmin? Hmmmm...... Do Not Archive Jim Combs N312F 40192 - Fuselage (Still!)


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    Time: 06:55:59 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Doyle" <mdoyle2@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: rv-12 comment
    Actually, I believe the RV-12 will be licensed in the Experimental category, but can be flown by LS pilots, thereby allowing builders to select what ever they want. The LSA registration is only for LSA certified aircraft, something that in the past Van has said he has no intentions of doing. There are currently no certified light sport kits, only certified LS aircraft. It's my understanding the LS certification has to come first, and then the company can certify a kit, along with a builders manual that tells exactly how the aircraft is to be built allowing absolutely no modifications in materials or procedures and also does not have to comply with the 51% rule. For instance, all Sonexes are registered in the experimental category. They are not certified LSA. On 7/25/06, jim@combsfive.com <jim@combsfive.com> wrote: > > --> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com> > > Pic 8 of 22 shows the panel with three large square cut-outs. Clearly it > is headed the route of "All Glass". Wonder who is going to win that > contract. > > Since it is intended as LSA. They will have to pick one vendor. Dynon, > GRT, Chelton, Advanced Flight Systems, Garmin? Hmmmm...... > > Do Not Archive > > Jim Combs > N312F > 40192 - Fuselage (Still!) > >


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    Time: 07:22:48 PM PST US
    From: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: OSH Update 7/25/06
    --> RV10-List message posted by: "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net> Please Rick, make that Bob, Sidney (gorgeous wife) beside me and Rick, looking for a cold one. Bob K LOL 20 B ready, and waiting for the mount. Kind of like a dog in heat. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:00 PM --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net> Ditto that, My son Patrick and I should be arriving just about the same time. Looking forward to seeing the "group" Deems Davis # 406 Fuse http://deemsrv10.com/ Rick wrote: >--> RV10-List message posted by: Rick <ricksked@earthlink.net> > >Can't wait till we hook up with all of you tomorrow afternoon, > >Look for me, big guy with little guy partner and his wife in trail, off white shirt, tan shorts answers to the name "pseudo James McClow" > >Heading for Lindbergh & 57th with one open hand and other hand holding cold drink contributions. > >Look for Bob and I around 5 to 6 PM. > >Rick S. >40185 > >do not archive > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:34:57 PM PST US
    From: Eric Large <catalyticeric@yahoo.com>
    Subject: BMA EFIS 1 For Sale
    It's likely that I'll be selling my BMA EFIS 1 after I look at the Garmin 900x if anyone is interested. I'm only going to Oshkosh on Saturday and should be back Sun night. It's a dual screen and includes the autopilot. Do Not Archive Eric Large catalyticeric@yahoo.com (616) 395 9374 ---------------------------------




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