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1. 03:22 AM - Re: Re: rv-12 comment ()
2. 05:52 AM - OSH Update 7/26/06 (bcondrey)
3. 03:49 PM - Re: OSH Update 7/26/06 (KiloPapa)
4. 03:57 PM - OSH / Subaru / Egg ? (James Hein)
5. 05:13 PM - Slo-build fuse. gotcha (John Hasbrouck)
6. 05:36 PM - Cowl (Paul Walter)
7. 07:19 PM - Re: OSH Update 7/26/06 (bcondrey)
8. 07:19 PM - Re: Cowl (bcondrey)
9. 07:19 PM - Re: OSH / Subaru / Egg ? (bcondrey)
10. 07:27 PM - Re: Slo-build fuse. gotcha (Eric Panning)
11. 07:49 PM - OSH Update 7/27/06 (bcondrey)
12. 08:42 PM - Re: OSH Update 7/27/06 (John Jessen)
13. 09:47 PM - Engine sites (Paul Walter)
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| Subject: | Re: rv-12 comment |
--> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com>
Ah, thats a little bit more clear now.
Thanks, Jim C
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Actually, I believe the RV-12 will be licensed in the Experimental category,
but can be flown by LS pilots, thereby allowing builders to select what ever
they want. The LSA registration is only for LSA certified aircraft,
something that in the past Van has said he has no intentions of doing. There
are currently no certified light sport kits, only certified LS aircraft.
It's my understanding the LS certification has to come first, and then the
company can certify a kit, along with a builders manual that tells exactly
how the aircraft is to be built allowing absolutely no modifications in
materials or procedures and also does not have to comply with the 51% rule.
For instance, all Sonexes are registered in the experimental category. They
are not certified LSA.
On 7/25/06, jim@combsfive.com <jim@combsfive.com> wrote:
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: <jim@combsfive.com>
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> Pic 8 of 22 shows the panel with three large square cut-outs. Clearly it
> is headed the route of "All Glass". Wonder who is going to win that
> contract.
>
> Since it is intended as LSA. They will have to pick one vendor. Dynon,
> GRT, Chelton, Advanced Flight Systems, Garmin? Hmmmm......
>
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> Jim Combs
> N312F
> 40192 - Fuselage (Still!)
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| Subject: | OSH Update 7/26/06 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Too many builders and visitors to name - our Camp Scholler location has turned
out to be good and very accessible both for campers and other attendees.
No new RV-10s to take pictures of but I have attached a picture of a new modular
panel. This one is all aluminum, has removable sections and choice of either
a slightly canted or straight radio stack. Picture is of a completed example
from Avionics Systems' booth but the panel is also available from Stein either
finished or unfinished. This attaches to the same mount holes as the stock
panel and eliminates the cross bar so effectively get a couple more inches vertical
height for instruments, EFIS and/or radio stack.
I also got a little hands on with the Garmin G900 as far as I can determine, it
is exactly the same as a G1000 as delivered in new Cessnas, etc. If you haven't
fallen over from sticker shock, keep in mind that the price includes the audio
panel, mode S transponder, dual nav/coms and dual WAAS GPS all very tightly
integrated. Add these up and compare to other high end systems and it's actually
somewhat competitive (with a little G premium added in). And no, I'm not
buying one.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Update 7/26/06 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "KiloPapa" <kilopapa@antelecom.net>
I am enjoying the news and feedback from all the contributors at Oshkosh.
Thanks!
Kevin
(KiloPapa)
40494
Tail
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> Too many builders and visitors to name - our Camp Scholler location has
> turned out to be good and very accessible both for campers and other
> attendees.
>
> No new RV-10s to take pictures of but I have attached a picture of a new
> modular panel. This one is all aluminum, has removable sections and
> choice of either a slightly canted or straight radio stack. Picture is of
> a completed example from Avionics Systems' booth but the panel is also
> available from Stein either finished or unfinished. This attaches to the
> same mount holes as the stock panel and eliminates the cross bar so
> effectively get a couple more inches vertical height for instruments, EFIS
> and/or radio stack.
>
> I also got a little hands on with the Garmin G900 as far as I can
> determine, it is exactly the same as a G1000 as delivered in new Cessnas,
> etc. If you haven't fallen over from sticker shock, keep in mind that the
> price includes the audio panel, mode S transponder, dual nav/coms and dual
> WAAS GPS all very tightly integrated. Add these up and compare to other
> high end systems and it's actually somewhat competitive (with a little G
> premium added in). And no, I'm not buying one.
>
> Bob
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| Subject: | OSH / Subaru / Egg ? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: James Hein <n8vim@arrl.net>
Anyone get any info on the Egg Subaru for the RV-10 yet?
-Jim 40384
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| Subject: | Slo-build fuse. gotcha |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
For those of us with the slo-build fuse. I've either found a gotcha or am
now openly admitting my stupidity. Look at page 26-1 for the parts I'm
about to reference and this will be make sense. I did not dimple the 3/32
holes in the F-1015A outboard seat rib before I finished construction of
this section. The plans tell you to dimple the 3/32 holes in the F-1018
outboard rear seat rib but make no mention ( here's the possible stupidity
part) of the F-1015A unless I missed it. Which means that, now that the
side skins are ready for dimpling, I have to go back and dimple these bad
boys while they are firmly riveted to the rest of the structure and the
bottom skins. Not impossible but a real PITA. Also, you will notice
nutplates on the bottom skin under the F-1015A. These will have to come off
for me to get to some of the holes in the F-1015 and to final rivet. So
here's my suggestion: dimple the 3/32 holes in the F-1015A L & R that
correspond to rivets in the side skin before you do the final assembly in
section 26 and hold off on the nutplates on the bottom skin shown on 26-7
Fig. #1 untill side skins are riveted in place. What's killing me is that I
looked at this problem when I was in this section but moved on without
addressing it. And if you find the instruction to dimple the F-1015A
somewhere in the plans please tell me where so I can have it tatooed on my
butt! John Hasbrouck # 40264 Wishing I was in OSH!!!
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Just wondering if any of the after market exhibits have on display nose
cowling for the Rv 10. Or indeed variation options to the composite
cabin and door structure.
Have a good time guys
Paul Walter
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Update 7/26/06 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Nice to know it's appreciated, thanks!
Bob
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Nothing at all. Sam James is here doing his normal Fiberglass 101 sessions in
the forums but no booth space. Nothing that I've seen from anybody else either.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: OSH / Subaru / Egg ? |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
I walked by the Eggenfellner booth and the only thing in it was the 2 seat RV with
a Subie installed. There was no static display of their FWF package as in
years past and nothing at all about something for the RV-10. I did not go talk
with them but there were certainly not doing anything to attract anybody.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Slo-build fuse. gotcha |
--> RV10-List message posted by: Eric Panning <ericmpmail-rv10@yahoo.com>
Thanks for the reminder, I'm sure you saved at least
one builder. This was discussed online about 6 months
ago and it was timely for me as someone's comments
saved me from making the same mistake.
It sure would be nice if they issued plan revisions to
make a great set of plans even better....
Eric (Just arrived at Oshkosh and hanging out in the U
of Wisc dorms with free internet)
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--- John Hasbrouck <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Hasbrouck"
> <jhasbrouck@woh.rr.com>
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> For those of us with the slo-build fuse. I've either
> found a gotcha or am
> now openly admitting my stupidity. Look at page
> 26-1 for the parts I'm
> about to reference and this will be make sense. I
> did not dimple the 3/32
> holes in the F-1015A outboard seat rib before I
> finished construction of
> this section. The plans tell you to dimple the 3/32
> holes in the F-1018
> outboard rear seat rib but make no mention ( here's
> the possible stupidity
> part) of the F-1015A unless I missed it. Which
> means that, now that the
> side skins are ready for dimpling, I have to go back
> and dimple these bad
> boys while they are firmly riveted to the rest of
> the structure and the
> bottom skins. Not impossible but a real PITA.
> Also, you will notice
> nutplates on the bottom skin under the F-1015A.
> These will have to come off
> for me to get to some of the holes in the F-1015 and
> to final rivet. So
> here's my suggestion: dimple the 3/32 holes in the
> F-1015A L & R that
> correspond to rivets in the side skin before you do
> the final assembly in
> section 26 and hold off on the nutplates on the
> bottom skin shown on 26-7
> Fig. #1 untill side skins are riveted in place.
> What's killing me is that I
> looked at this problem when I was in this section
> but moved on without
> addressing it. And if you find the instruction to
> dimple the F-1015A
> somewhere in the plans please tell me where so I can
> have it tatooed on my
> butt! John Hasbrouck # 40264 Wishing I was in
> OSH!!!
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| Subject: | OSH Update 7/27/06 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Not a lot new today but here's my impression of the show so far:
Avionics: The intro of the G600 and G900 is definitely the highlight of the show,
especially since Garmin didn't prep the vendors very well for questions. Good
thing they aren't going to be available until 2007.
Lycoming type engines: Not as much 540 material or displays as last year for some
reason. Most vendors have the same displays they always have. I did not that
Aerosport didn't even have a 540 in their booth. Barratt has Mike Sausen's
on display (very nice).
"Other" engines: Very much toned down from prior years. Eggenfellner only has
their demo plane in their booth - not even the static display of the engine that
they've had in prior years. No hint of anything at all targeted at the RV-10
crowd. I didn't go into their booth but didn't see any brochures, signage,
etc. Deltahawk is a replay of the last several years. Innodyne is almost non-existant.
Mistral has a similar display to prior years but I haven't stopped
in yet. I haven't seen any of the other engine folks but haven't covered the
entire grounds yet either.
New planes: RV-12 is getting a lot of curiosity but since it's with the other Van's
models and not anywhere close to the other LSAs it's hard to say if it's
real interest. I haven't been to the LSA area yet. Honda announced some sort
of alliance with Piper to produce their VLJ.
Picture of the day is the Camp Scholler entrance into AirVenture from Wednesday
morning.
Bob
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| Subject: | OSH Update 7/27/06 |
--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" <jjessen@rcn.com>
BTW. Thanks so much for the updates. I must admit I keep scanning my
inbox, looking for more information, either pictures or summaries like
below. It's great to have you there, and the rest of the crowd. I'd
request more pictures, if you have the opportunity, but the verbal summaries
are very welcome, indeed. I know folks come and go, but if possible, I
request a group picture of the RV-10 builders. Maybe there will be a time
when most are in attendance. Be nice to gather them all together a take
some shots.
How is Rob Hickman's booth doing?
John J.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:48 PM
--> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Not a lot new today but here's my impression of the show so far:
Avionics: The intro of the G600 and G900 is definitely the highlight of the
show, especially since Garmin didn't prep the vendors very well for
questions. Good thing they aren't going to be available until 2007.
Lycoming type engines: Not as much 540 material or displays as last year for
some reason. Most vendors have the same displays they always have. I did
not that Aerosport didn't even have a 540 in their booth. Barratt has Mike
Sausen's on display (very nice).
"Other" engines: Very much toned down from prior years. Eggenfellner only
has their demo plane in their booth - not even the static display of the
engine that they've had in prior years. No hint of anything at all targeted
at the RV-10 crowd. I didn't go into their booth but didn't see any
brochures, signage, etc. Deltahawk is a replay of the last several years.
Innodyne is almost non-existant. Mistral has a similar display to prior
years but I haven't stopped in yet. I haven't seen any of the other engine
folks but haven't covered the entire grounds yet either.
New planes: RV-12 is getting a lot of curiosity but since it's with the
other Van's models and not anywhere close to the other LSAs it's hard to say
if it's real interest. I haven't been to the LSA area yet. Honda announced
some sort of alliance with Piper to produce their VLJ.
Picture of the day is the Camp Scholler entrance into AirVenture from
Wednesday morning.
Bob
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Paul Walter" <pdwalter@bigpond.net.au>
Thanks for your update - Bob.
Anything new at all on alternate engine exhibit sites, diesel or turbine.
Any exhibits with a diesel converted certified air craft, anything at all?.
Paul Walter
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Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:16 PM
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> I walked by the Eggenfellner booth and the only thing in it was the 2 seat
> RV with a Subie installed. There was no static display of their FWF
> package as in years past and nothing at all about something for the RV-10.
> I did not go talk with them but there were certainly not doing anything to
> attract anybody.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=50069#50069
>
>
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